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Schonert treatment nothing but disgraceful


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 26 Mar 2012 at 09:20
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If the Sharks coaches were trying to put together an instructional video entitled “Ruining a Young Player’s Confidence in Seven Easy Steps”, then the way that Nick Schonert was treated in the run-up to Saturday’s loss in Sydney could have been the case study on which it was based.

It goes a little something like this:

Step 1: Tell the prop your WERE planning to take on tour as cover that he’s not going any more – about 4 hours prior to departure.
Step 2: Depart for tour with only 2 fit props. Publicly announce that one of them definitely won’t play the next game.
Step 3: Place every single young prop in the province on standby while you scour the globe for a replacement.
Step 4: Leave everybody hanging for more than 24 hours with no feedback given whatsoever.
Step 5: Finally, grudgingly announce that one of them (Nick Schonert) “may be flown over as cover”, late on Tuesday night Australian time.
Step 6: After giving the youngster (fresh off his first-ever flight to Sydney) a single practice session to acclimatise, name him on the bench for the weekend’s game.
Step 7: Pull him from the game at the last minute and let the half-fit guy mentioned in step 2 play instead.

Now, if all of the poor dumb fans haven’t been left scratching our heads enough at the above, spare a thought for the poor player, who must at this stage be seriously wondering what the hell he did wrong, then right, then wrong again, in such a short space of time, to be yanked from the Vodacom Cup ranks, flown all the way to Australia and then summarily dropped on the eve of his first big game. I’m sure he must be feeling absolutely brimming with confidence now – not at all like he’s just dome dumb pawn to be used and abused as the Sharks see fit.

And we all act surprised when our young talent doesn’t “show any loyalty to the Sharks”…



53 Comments

  • How about take a player who is one of the young up and coming stars (Paul Jordaan) take him on tour and then instead of having him on the bench to cover the backline, let him hold tackle bags and have a worthless over-the-hill donkey that props could probably beat in a foot race (Marius Joubert) sit on the bench.

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.03.12 09:26:56 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • You get the feeling that a lot of ex shark players are a bit pissed at the sharks setup. Bob Skinstad even once saying that he loves the sharks, but he hates the sharks orginisation. See why?

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.03.12 09:27:53 by jako Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 1) : shhh – you’re spoiling the sequel :)

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.03.12 09:29:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 1) : I couldnt believe my eyes when Marius ran on. Paul Jordaan might be at the very least a gamebreaker like Brent Russell was. At the ver least. He wouldve been perfect for saturday

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.03.12 09:29:57 by jako Reply
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  • I have criticised Plum enough in the last 3 years.

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.03.12 09:31:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 5) : oh go on… :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.03.12 09:33:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • It really pissed me off aswell…Schonert is a great scrummager, even better than Herbst if you ask me and then they selct a half fit herbst in place of schonert…i know schonert would not let us down.

    But lets not get crazy here, we don’t know all the details, maybe Schonert was really struggling getting over the Jet Lag in that short amount of time.

    I didn’t understand why Joubert was on the bench over Jordaan…Plum was back to his conservative ways this weekend…he wanted to pack The Sharks team with as much experience as possible…don’t think it helped…cos none of them have won in Sydney with The Sharks!! Plum lost the blend of youth and experience last week…he must get it right on the weekend.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.03.12 09:34:16 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : You probably dont feel like giving player ratings?

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.03.12 09:34:51 by jako Reply
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  • :twisted: Disgraceful! Even when Dale and Tim showed severe fatigue, we replaced the Odwa and Bosman and Alberts (with a front rower!) Bad management all round!! We need an explanation otherwise to understand this mess! :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.03.12 09:35:26 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @jako (Comment 4) : Agree…i don’t understand why anyone would disagree with ur statement…

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.03.12 09:35:53 by JJR Reply
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  • We’re going backward in Super Rugby under Plumtree, but he simply gets to keep going on his merry way screwing up as and when he pleases. Time to get a decent quality coach in Durban. Nick Mallet would be ideal if he didn’t get the England job. And Campo back as backline coach while we’re at it.

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.03.12 09:36:09 by rhineshark Reply

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  • Plumtree is reverting to type. He is only playing the youngsters that he has no option BUT to play. Anywhere else he will back the old guys again.

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.03.12 09:37:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    Hell dude – every single year we look at this Sharks team on paper, the pro’s, upcoming talent and youth – and every single year we expect great things from them.

    But every single year it is the same old bloody story.

    There is no way in hell a union with this type of talent on its books continually fail to live up to their potential.

    I cannot see the administrators not giving the coaching management what they ask for so don’t blame them.

    There is something seriously amiss within the coaching setup at this union and it is not Plum alone.

    I have said this before and I will say it again – trouble starts with your unofficial DOR at the union.

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.03.12 09:40:17 by Morné Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 9) : Plum is all over the place, it’s like he disregards technology and what the stats tell him…some players were seriously fatigued in that game, and we had fresh Burden and fresh Jordaan available for selection, but no we didn’t use them…eish

    Pat Lambie went through the same when he went on his forst tour…his first start was at least 2 weeks overdue…Lambie must have got seriously frusrated, because he knows when he deserves to be there…and he deserved it, just happened about 3 weeks late, and what happened when Lambie came in? We won like 80%-ish of our remaining games.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.03.12 09:40:31 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : Yup…don’t understand why Plum has gone to conservative selctions now…it clearly didn’t work for us and our best 2 playears of the season so far are young(Coetzee) and playing in a new position(JPP)…back the youth and back the Risk/Reward selction policy!

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.03.12 09:43:50 by JJR Reply
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  • Yeah to be honest Rob, i think Schonert will be happy just to be in Sydney mixing it with the big guys.

    He wont be too perturbed about not playing in the 22 seeing as though at the beginning of the season, the possibility of him even being anywhere near the senior side was extremely far removed, given the front row stocks we had at that stage.

    Whats more worrying, and its beein mentioned above, is Plum reverting to type and placing Jouubert on the bench when Jordaan would have been absolutely perfect for those last few minutes.

    I said on Friday that we didnt have the strongest bench, got a bit of abuse about it actually, and that was why i went with the Tahs by 7.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.03.12 09:46:50 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 13) : can’t disagree

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.03.12 09:53:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • According to a radio show I listened to last week Brian van Zyl was quoted as saying if the Sharks don’t get make the Superugby semis this year Plum is going to go as he has the team to do it and has been given all the accessories he has requested so the board won’t stand for anything less than a home semi.

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.03.12 09:53:27 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 18) : That’s a new coach for next year the way it’s looking right now then.

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.03.12 09:54:23 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 18) : while I completely buy into that line of thinking, I also reckon that the injury crisis at prop and lock has hardly helped Plum’s cause…

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.03.12 09:54:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jako (Comment 2) : Bob is a loser…Sharks would not attract and retain the talent we have unless we were a great organisation…I just think some players take some things too personally and forget this isn’t a personality contest and a professional environment where everyone wants great success for the team and the union.

    Lets Go Sharks!! Ur the best…Plum just needs to knock his head against a wall once or twice to minimise those Brain farts he has :lol: We don’t talk much about Grant Bashford…but i’ve never rated him much…i will leave it at that, don’t want to get into trouble :smile:

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.03.12 09:55:09 by JJR Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 18) : I agree, the players Plum has available…i mean for me it’s the best group of players i have seen at The Sharks in a very long while…and we all saw how amazing our youngsters playing for Sharks XV are…Plum has no excuses, he has to manage the sqaud and make sure injuries don’t happen…Sykes, Bissie and Keegan have had small niggles pop up…they need a rest Plum!! Plum should stop being scared to back youngsters…Look at the Youngsters the Reds had last year, and look how well they did last season…Look at how well Etzebeth, Kitshoff and Kolisi are doing, they like the stars of the Stormers team so far this season.

    Word Wakker Plum, asseblief, if he doesn’t understand some Afrikaans maybe he should go :lol: Just Kidding, i will back Plum as long as he is coach…C’mon Plummie!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.03.12 10:01:39 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Why did we let Pat Cilliers go? And Gerhard Mostert?

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.03.12 10:02:38 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Just repeating what I heard, it was more than a week ago though, also as a WP supporter I know full well what a spate of injuries can do

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.03.12 10:03:38 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Good post Rob. If the Sharks wants to be a champion side they will have to sort out their attitude from top to bottom.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.03.12 10:07:37 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 23) : Mossie, wanted to leave, so if a player doesn’t want to play for you and has a starting position…Goodbye!! Cilliers was different, he was way down the pecking order; but i knew letting him go would bite us, he is a really great player, and his mobile play is exactly what makes me think that should be a Sharks prop…Cilliers has been missed.

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.03.12 10:07:52 by JJR Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 9) : It was pathetic! I can maybe understand Alberts because he is coming off an injury so you don’t want to push him too hard.

    BUT Bosman was our best back in defence and as soon as Turnstile Joubert went on, we leaked points and tries. The Sharks should have saved their money on Joubert and let Jordaan come through and done their best to retain Piet Lindeque rather than let him leave for Griquas.

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.03.12 10:08:10 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @jako (Comment 2) : I agree 100%. That was idiotic subbing and team selection at the very least.

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.03.12 10:10:47 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : what have I missed? Piet played for the Sharks XV this weekend

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.03.12 10:10:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : My bad then. I could have sworn he was playing for Griquas in the CC last year and thought it was a permanent shift.

    Plum should really let these guys come through though rather than buy a rundown show pony who should rather be sold to a glue factory.

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.03.12 10:12:33 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 26) : Didn’t know Mossie simply wanted to leave. I agree, if a player doesn’t want to play for you it’s better that he goes elsewhere, but I thought he was making some great headway in SA rugby, so why go overseas?

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.03.12 10:13:53 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 30) : you’re cnfusing him with Jean Stemmet?

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.03.12 10:14:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : That’s it. He should have still been backed in the Sharks instead of being jettisoned.

    Plum should back these players like he does for Coetzee and Lambie and he’ll find that they’ll repay his trust.

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.03.12 10:15:59 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : Lindequie signed for griquas?? Half way thru the season!?

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.03.12 10:17:13 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 31) : We were all wondering the same thing…what was he thinking?!!! Guess he cares only about the money he would get overseas…he could’ve been a Bok regular, but he seriously lost out now with Flip and Etzebeth playing some really powerful rugby.

    @robdylan (Comment 29) : Did u watch the game Rob? U can’t tell me Williams was not a weak link in that team… :smile:

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.03.12 10:17:17 by JJR Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : He’s still in Durban…where did you get that news from?

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.03.12 10:18:21 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 36) : Rob cleared it up. I confused him and Stemmet

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.03.12 10:19:05 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Oh right stemmet…

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.03.12 10:19:36 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 37) : So you wanted to keep Stemmet? He is beyond average he can’t even start for Griquas.

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.03.12 10:20:59 by JJR Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : Has Piet Lindeque really left for the Griquas? :shock:

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.03.12 10:21:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) : no

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.03.12 10:23:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) : Nah, it’s Monday morning and my idiotic brain confused Stemmet for Lindeque.

    @JJR (Comment 39) : In hindsight, he is behind Jordaan, Lindeque and Heimar Williams. And budgets being what they are, you can’t keep everyone.

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.03.12 10:23:45 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 35) : don’t get Vodacom Cup here

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.03.12 10:24:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Sorry Rob, looks like I’ve accidently caused a bit of a panic attack.

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.03.12 10:24:18 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : Oh yes; i thought that u might have some other arrangements that will allow you to somehow see the games…you missed out was the best rugby game i’ve watched in a very long time :smile:

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.03.12 10:26:33 by JJR Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 44) : ha ha… no worries boet. All adds to the excitement :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.03.12 10:29:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 44) : Nah, I should’ve refreshed before posting :grin:

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.03.12 10:31:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This is probably admitting that you’re a fan of the twilight movies…

    but I have to admit that I’m starting to like how the Bulls play rugby. They kick a lot, but it sure helps the nerves out when you’re in the lead and you keep the opposition pinned in their half instead of trying to be fancy in your own 22. Probably helps prevent a few coronaries and one only has to look at the average boep on a Bulls supporter at Loftus to know their life has been extended because of their team tactics.

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.03.12 10:32:49 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 48) : Nicely put :mrgreen: . And I think you make a very valid point – I’ve never heard my father-in-law (a Bulls fan) complain about how his team wins.

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.03.12 10:49:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • There’s absolutely no excuse to let young and inexperienced (but capable) players get game time.

    The perfect example was the Lions this weekend. With a young prop like Caylib Oosthuizen having an above decent game in the scrums AND the loose. Even Andries Coetzee on wing impressed and had a good run, keeping the likes of Killian on the bench.

    They did not win the game against the Stormers, but they sure as hell repayed John Mitchell for allowing them game time! And they are surely brimming with confidence!

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.03.12 12:02:19 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 50) : Surely you mean there is no excuse not to let young players get game time?

    I agree. If you’re good enough, you’re old enough.

    Contrastly, I suppose you don’t want to have too many young players because they wouldn’t have the experience of what to do in certain situations so you want some old wise heads. But it does need to be a balance.

    And in Joubert’s case, he’s not wise enough or good enough to keep younger, better players out the team.

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.03.12 12:05:24 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • I will say this, if you looked at the team sheets of the Sharks and the Bulls in the beginning of the season, I would have gone with the Sharks without hesitation.

    If you take the way these teams perform, you have to take a hard look at our coach.

    The Bulls play demolition rugby, the Sharks just play to win. Then they lose at the end. This is and was our problem for the last 4 years at least.

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.03.12 12:48:41 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • the experience will nullify the dissapointment…Schonert is focused..he will get there

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