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These Sharks lack the killer bite


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 26 Mar 2012 at 14:03
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I’d like to pick up on a point that has been made by a few posters in the wake of this weekend’s results, which I feel points to something of an endemic issue in Sharks rugby at the moment. There simply doesn’t seem to be a killer instinct in our teams at the moment and it’s hurting us.

Looking back at the Sharks’ loss against the Waratahs, as well as the Sharks XV’s narrower-than-expected win over a seriously understrength Free State side in the Vodacom Cup, there was a disturbing trend – across both teams – for the Sharks to concede points pretty much immediately after scoring. This is hardly a new phenomenon and we have for some years bemoaned the Sharks’ seeming inability to ever properly put a side away; to turn a strong (even dominant) performance in a game into a truly one-sided victory on the scoreboard.

Let’s take the example of the Sharks performance against the Lions in round 3 and compare that to the Bulls’ weekend demolition of the Reds. There are clear differences in quality between these sides to begin with, with the Reds the defending Super Rugby champions and the Lions, well, not! Further to that, the Sharks faced a Lions site battling with injuries all over the park, but especially in the front row and at flyhalf. Likewise, the Reds team that played at Loftus was quite severely depleted through injury, particularly amongst the backs. On paper, both of these games should have been easy victories for the home sides.

Now I know that what follows is an overly-simplistic comparison, but why is it that the Bulls should be able to rout a weakened Reds side to the tune of 61-8, scoring 8 tries in the process, whilst the best the Sharks could manage against an even weaker Lions team was a 32-20 win that was never as comfortable as the final scoreline suggests? In fact, had it not been for a try on the hooter, the Lions would have held the Sharks to three tries apiece and seldom found themselves much more than a score or two behind the hosts. The reason, again, being the Sharks tendency to give away easy points the moment they start to feel comfortable.

There are many reasons behind the Sharks’ last-minute heartbreak in Sydney, with fatigue probably being the most telling. That said, had the side not allowed the Tahs to always stay in touch by allowing the concentration levels to drop, perhaps they may have been able to hold on better – or at least have a bigger buffer to defend – in those last 20 minutes when it all went so wrong.

Killer instinct is a mental skill, after all and I fear that when it comes to the mental development of our players, the Sharks are once again a few steps behind the conference pace-setters from Pretoria and Cape Town.



81 Comments

  • I agree 10000%

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.03.12 14:09:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I made this comment on another thread on yesterday but it probably suits this thread better,

    After watching the SA teams yesterday I wish the following of the Sharks.

    The passion of the Lions.
    The creativity of the Cheetah’s.
    The ruthlessness of the Bulls.
    The discipline on defense of the Stormers.

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.03.12 14:12:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I agree with your last paragraph, but feel we cannot completely lay the blame on the players. This is where professional help and coaching (read Dr Sherylle Calder, Henning Gericke et al) is seriously needed.

    I reckon if this talented team of ours, have the same “facilities” as the profesional Blue Bulls…our boys could be KILLERS.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.03.12 14:12:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : good news is that Doc Calder is helping Jake out with the Brumbies…

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.03.12 14:13:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Up until now I’ve always been comfortable in the knowledge that Frans Ludeke is a sub-par coach riding on the coat tails of work done by Heyneke Meyer. However, given the loss of stalwarts at the Bulls (many of whom were Sprinbok legends) at the end of last season, and in lieu of the demolition job done on the Reds I now have to reconsider…

    THAT SUCKS!!!! :cry:

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.03.12 14:19:29 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : oh? Lovely…

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.03.12 14:22:35 by Ice Reply
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  • Must admit I wasn`t too unhappy immediately after the match against the Tahs this weekend. I figured, another bonus point on tour we`ll make it up when we get back in SA.

    But the more I think about it the more I start to worry.

    We had them . . . but still managed to lose out in the end.
    If we lose out on a play off spot this year, would this be the match we all look back to and think ” if only ” ?

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.03.12 14:31:14 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • We always bring up this mental aspect every season…when r The Sharks gonna realise that it is neccesary to have a mental coach!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.03.12 14:47:34 by JJR Reply
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  • Sad to say there also seems to be a lack of leadership.

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.03.12 14:59:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 9) : leadership was always going to be an issue with Oupa Stef and Smit heading off to greener and wetter pastures… The guys i see with leadership potential are Lambie and Deysel, the latter simply because the team always just looks more balanced with him in it, and the former, well, because he “was born experienced” as someone somewhere once said.

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.03.12 15:19:00 by The Quirk Reply
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  • Can I just ask how one goes about posting a thread on this site. Can anyone do it or do you have to ask the moderators?

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.03.12 15:23:53 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : And me too…this has been one of my biggest bugbears over the last few seasons. It drives me mad when we concede points immediately after scoring ourselves. Our work on the opposition kick-offs this weekend was woeful and really needs to be rectified quickly.

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.03.12 15:25:27 by Villie Reply
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  • @Leviathan (Comment 11) : email me… rob@sharksworld.co.za

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.03.12 15:36:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Leviathan (Comment 11) : Hi, e-mail your article to rob@sharksworld.co.za or richard@sharksworld.co.za! They will be able to put it up for you under reader submisssion! :)

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.03.12 15:37:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 5) : THAT is what has been getting my goat too… :cry:

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.03.12 15:41:11 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 15) : yup… me too.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.03.12 15:45:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Great article Rob, I was planning to write a very similar article this evening – thanks for saving me the trouble! :grin:

    I too am very worried about some of the alarming similarities between the performances of the Vodacom Cup side and the SR side.

    I do differ with you on one point however – I wouldn’t even mention fatigue as you do in you second last paragraph. I quote Alistair Hargreaves’ Supersport column here because he puts it so well:
    There’s no doubt the majority of South African sides have underperformed on tour in the past. However, with the advance in science and technology, coupled with the information and experience we have at our disposal, we have to guard against the age-old excuses for losing on tour.

    Yes, jetlag can prove a nightmare if incorrectly managed, but the majority of the guys in the side have toured countless times and know how to manage themselves and their bodies.

    Excuses are always readily available, but I’m convinced this Sharks side won’t hide behind any. It’s still the same game, rules and is played between four white lines.

    If we lose, let it be for the simple fact that the opposition were just better on the day.

    There may be some players that are clocking up a lot of time already but:
    1. It’s still early in the season, are they really overplayed at this point already?
    2. I’ve read a lot about how great our conditioning is this season.
    3. A Cheetahs side managed to hang on for a win in their first fixture – granted it was the Rebels but it was still a very spirited match.

    Your thoughts?

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.03.12 16:13:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : how many first time travellers in the starting XV alone? 5? 6?

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.03.12 16:26:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) :

    1 – 5 full games in a row might be ok for the likes of Keegan, Bis and Pat who already have a few seasons under their belts. Different story for Chadwick and Coetzee.
    2 – ja, but we read that every season, don’t we?
    3- that was their second fixture. They lost to the Brumbies in their first fixture.

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.03.12 16:26:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : Hargreaves is a fine one to comment…he underperforms even if he doesn’t travel… :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.03.12 16:28:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 20) : haha… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.03.12 16:35:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 18) : Probably yes but surely they’re smart enough to look to the majority of the squad who have done this before. Or vica versa. Surely the senior players are taking up some sort of mentoring role.

    @robdylan (Comment 19) : 1. And yet Coetzee didn’t disappoint.
    2. True but I think we saw some of it in the Bulls game. The Sharks were looking much fresher than their Bulls counterparts towards the end of that match.
    3. Correct (can’t believe I forgot about that) and point withdrawn.

    @Ice (Comment 20) : Fair point but his argument does seem a reasonable one even if he doesn’t live up to it himself.

    What I’m trying to get at is that Plumtree was concerned about distractions – http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2012/03/22/
    plumtree-concerned-about-distractions/

    Shouldn’t we look their first before laying the blame at jetlag’s (rather convenient) door?

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.03.12 16:45:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Absolutely true. The Sharks lack pure aggression and a determined will to win at all costs. The Bulls are a shadow of the team from last season and still went all out to stifle and bludgeon the opposition into submission.

    The Sharks lack good old fashioned passion and drive for the franchise. Where is the pride in the jersey.

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.03.12 16:46:24 by Predawn Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : Coetzee didn’t disappoint, but the overall drop in intensity in the last 15-20 minutes, to my mind, was a clear indication that there were some completely finished players on the field.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.03.12 16:49:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : Allow me to play devil’s advocate for a moment: Or perhaps a clear indication of a mentally beaten side? Or alternatively a side who did get caught up in distractions?

    Whatever the case, I think it goes even further to prove the main point of your article. A killer instinct would have helped a great deal regardless of whether the side was struggling with mental or physical fatigue (or a combination of both) during the last quarter.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.03.12 16:56:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : and I have it from 1st hand source that Marcell has never been this sat and finished aFter a game EVER!

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.03.12 17:01:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : I wouldn’t be surprised by that, he was our defensive MVP, wasn’t he? ;-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.03.12 17:04:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : Jet Lag…Coetzee, Bissie, Daniel and Chadwick need rest soon…Canes game will be ideal chance for that; If we Win on the weekend.

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.03.12 17:05:57 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : Must have been that face plant after he got handed off that took it out of him. :lol: Sorry but that was pretty funny..

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.03.12 17:06:09 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : And to get handed by such a small Aussie lock must have made him feel pretty bad afterwards…

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.03.12 17:10:11 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 30) : He’s still young. With time he will learn to use his arms to break his fall and not his face. :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.03.12 17:20:03 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : He thinks so too! LOL but says he’s learned his lesson! Haha!

    @vanmartin (Comment 27) : In all 5 matches so far…

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.03.12 17:42:20 by Ice Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 12) : What about conceding the winning points in the last 10 minutes of a game. It happens far too often.

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.03.12 17:44:32 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : I nearly had a fricken heart attack! Did not think it to be funny at the time!

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.03.12 17:53:40 by Ice Reply
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  • How to make the Sharks a champion side in 3 easy steps:

    1. Let the Sharks Academy players play for UKZN, get them into the Varsity Cup tournament proper and continue to use that as a platform to expose the youngsters to big games. (Like the Bulls and Tuks, Lions and UJ, WP and Maties/Ikeys)
    2. Choose Lambie as Keegan’s deputy for a year or 2, with the aim of making him captain by 2014 at the latest
    3. Get a proper mental coach, a kicking, scrumming, and/or defence coach would also be welcomed, but the mental coach is a must!

    Follow these three simple steps and by 2018 we will have won at least 5 trophies, not including Vodacom and Varsity cups

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.03.12 17:59:14 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • 35 missed tackles! No team can win with a stat like that!

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.03.12 18:11:24 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 35) : Nr 3 to me being the most critical at present!

    Does the Basic Employment act not say that you need to have the correct and necessary resources available to give your employees the best chance to be productive and succesful??

    It would be fair to the players, wouldn’t it?

    I think they should protest. They are taking the flack and they don’t have the best resources available to them…

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.03.12 18:12:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 36) : If I have it right – our missed tackles are 26% (we made something like 159 tackles!) And its not our highest % missed tackles this season.

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.03.12 18:15:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 37) : Agree 100%! You should tweet them that!
    I gave the 3 in order of length of time to implement, longest to shortest, nr.1 will start to reap rewards by 2014/15 if we start now, nr.2 could start to work by next year, and nr.3 the week after it gets implemented, with all 3 growing stronger the longer they stay in effect

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.03.12 18:19:01 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 38) : still can’t miss that many. Field is the same size, if you miss so many tackles the opponents will be scoring lots!

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.03.12 18:21:53 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 38) : sorry seems we had 21% missed tackles (204) attempts! That’s some hard grafting! If it was 37 missed tackles out of 50…you cannot say 35 missed tackels and not say how many attempts…that does not give the true picture..

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.03.12 18:25:25 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 41) : 21% is still too much.

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.03.12 18:30:16 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 41) : 37 missed and 6 ineffective out of 204, Tahs missed 22, 11 ineffective out of 175…2% diffs…?

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.03.12 18:33:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 42) : agree! Just comparing the two teams on the day..them on 81% us on 79%…not big diffs.

    I was actually shocked at the % ! But trying to say, if the other team was almost on the same missed tackle %, perhaps, like a lot claim, that was NOT the issue that made us lose?

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.03.12 18:37:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 44) : Not really about how many missed tackles its more about where we miss tackles. You can’t miss tackles inside your own 22.

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.03.12 18:40:56 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : yeah…like line outs.. :wink: hey, I am just getting into this stats thing, let me ROLL for a while! :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.03.12 18:46:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 33) : Oooh…don’t get me started on that…especially the incorrect use of subs! I could write a whole article on that. And there is no doubt that the Sharks weren’t smart with their tactical substitutions this weekend which in all likelihood cost them the game!

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.03.12 19:01:16 by Villie Reply
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  • Plum has done what we asked. Giving the youngsters a go (well, a lot more than expected, be honest)…and in the back of my mind I am being “open” about this. (meaning not expecting success immediately)…HOWEVER, without the necessary tools, coaching etc, I am afraid, instead of building them, he might be breaking them….and THAT is the sad reality of the whole “mamagement” system..

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.03.12 19:08:03 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 44) : It was a mixture of everything. Missed tackles, lack of concentration, fatigue, poor basics etc etc. The Sharks were their own worst enemy. The Tah’s were there for the taking and the Sharks blew it.

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.03.12 19:25:21 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 49) : I forgot to mention complacency.

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.03.12 19:26:49 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 49) : Off course it was! The point that I have been trying to get across the whole blooming weekend is. People should not underestimate that fatique factor, coz in my mind and experience that is what is directly the cause that lead to missed tackles, poor basics, lack of concentration..simply said…simple mistakes. Thats what happens if you are tired. So that is the reason I contribute so much the fatique as its basically the collective of all the mistakes.

    BUT that is my opinion.

    Complacency – well yeah, I was not happy with Daniel saying that they thought they had it in the bag. From history they should KNOW that you dont stop playing untill you hear that final whistle.

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.03.12 19:41:23 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 32) : Well then, there you go!

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.03.12 20:11:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 52) : Where am I going?? :lol:

    Yes – the little bugger is MOEG! ;-)

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.03.12 20:23:28 by Ice Reply
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  • Still maintain a coach shouldn’t have a long contract but a yearly contract with goals that are set out by the union..I think a coach gets to set in his ways and knows not much will happen to him..

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.03.12 21:00:10 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 51) : They may have been tired but it is sorry to feel bad for them when they have spent the week farting about Sydney.

    Daniel should never have thought that let alone said it. You should never think you have it in the bag until that hooter goes and the ball is out of play. We should know by now. How many times have we done that and let a victory slip away.

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.03.12 21:07:47 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 18):Please stop it. Thought we resolved this yesterday. Crusaders had to play against the Stormers in Cape Town with a second team backline and even had a forward playing in the backline and still won.

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.03.12 21:13:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 55) : I did not see what they did while they were suppose to be focusing and training…? Missed that! Where can I read up on it?

    Yes – he needs to put a guard to his mouth. How did he know thats how ALL of them felt in any case! Plenty of good trying from some players to proof not all had that mind set. Bosman, Bissie, Marcell, McLeod, Odders, Lwazi and a good couple more.

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.03.12 21:14:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 56) : If my opinion irritates you, dont read it. We have not established anything or resolved anything. I agree with others, we could have won this. There is plenty of Red lights etc. What I dont agree with is the merciless downplaying of external factors, making our boys out to be “Shit.Fullstop”.

    We are not the crusaders. We have a relatively very young starting line-up due to injuries etc. Cut the boys some flack FFS.

    We BEGGED Plum for this….deal with it. It will pay off. Success is not bound to happen overnight. What did you expect? The new broom to sweep clean? This is a different ballgame…

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.03.12 21:22:05 by Ice Reply
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  • How come we travel to Aus, stay there for a week, and come game time, are still fatigued, but when the Blues come here, crap as they are, they beat the form S.A. team first game on tour?
    Not busting the boys here, it’s an honest question, I have never travelled beyond the borders of sunny S.A so I don’t know exactly how jetlag works, is there a difference between W>E and E>W?

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.03.12 22:10:34 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 59) : let’s try comparisons. I think I will do a bit of research, so we can get to the bottom. Let’s see ho many “seasoned” travellers we have and what they have. I reckon if we have all the facts, we can make a proper decision and not just speculation or in mu case “opinion”. Watch this space.

    I am more than willing to say I am sorry if I am completely wrong!

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.03.12 22:24:37 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 60) : you can even do a whole article then. Look forward to the results!

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.03.12 05:30:53 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 58) :And your response is that we are not the Crusaders….double wow! Thought your entire debate was built around people that toured for the first time and jet lag? I then give you an example of a team that also playing in the same competition, had to travel week last year, had to field guys that were on tour for the first time and even had to play a forward in the backline against SA’s best team last year and still won that game. Comparing one object to another 101, make sure u compare apples with apples. Thank you very much Ice. Will take you up on your offer not to read your comments. Correction, you didn’t beg Plum to do anything, you merely posted a comment on Sharksworld. If you had a discussion with Plum, I apologise.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.03.12 06:34:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 62) : Seriously dude, no need to be an ass about the whole thing. Peoples opinions differ. And I said Numerous times, that this is just my opinion..

    And why the childish remark about my “we begged Plum”? Surely you have more savvy than that to realise what I meant with that? Its called a figure of speech.

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.03.12 07:41:30 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : 1st hand would mean Coetzee himself. If he said it then it’s true.

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 64) : Then it is.

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.03.12 07:56:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 59) : Here’s an example for you.

    We flew E to W last year on holiday. dubai to Los Angeles. 18hrs nonstop and little to no jetlag issues.

    Stayed in LA for 13 days and flew W to E. LA to Washington DC about 6 hours if I recall. And suddenly on the 1st night the kids were all worried ‘cos it was 2am and they were’nt sleepy. then even more worried at 4 the next afternoon when they couldn’t keep their eyes open.

    West to East, forward in time, is MUCH worse.

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.03.12 08:05:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Just an interesting stat – see the bulls missed 31% of their tackles against the Reds..made 186 missed 45 and a 12 were ineffective.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.03.12 08:05:36 by Ice Reply
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  • Agree 100%. This “laid back” attitude of the Sharks aint gonna win them any trophies.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.03.12 08:20:27 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 67) : Seriously – could these stats really be true? Seems very high for all the teams.

    Sorry – that stat was the Reds. Bulls had 24% missed tackles. 125 attempts and 24 missed and 6 ineffective.

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.03.12 08:20:45 by Ice Reply
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  • And more bad news for the Sharks Keith Brown, the very same ref that gave the game to the Brumbies when they faced the Cheetahs is reffing our game :evil: :cry:

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.03.12 08:35:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 66) : You mean west to east is much worse. I would agree with this, in my experience. No problems going the other way. NZ and Aus teams have to deal with this 1st game back from their SA tour.

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.03.12 09:02:14 by siorc Reply

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  • I have thought about this for a while now, and decided it will be best if Plumtree goes, now you may say the players have too get some of the blame as well if they don’t do their bit, it is true, maar dit is waar ons n afrigter kort wat die spelers op die gat kan skop en regruk as hulle nie hul kant bring nie, and quite clearly Plumtree can’t do this, another thing that bothers me is why don’t we have specialised coaches, is Plumtree that arrogant to think he doesn’t need help, Plumtree must be helped out of coaching the sharks should do better.

    If you have the players the sharks have and you do use all the resources that could be available to you, there is no way your team would have won just 2 out of 5 games.

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.03.12 09:18:47 by BR Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 58) : :twisted: I agree. The posts were all about the youngsters not getting a chance almost to the point of replacing the team with a fetus set! On the first game when the young guns took strain because of the travelling, the blame shifts to Plum?
    I am all for the mental coach. period. But the players will take responsibility for their mistakes. No need to diss them. Now that we have new boys in the team, give them the opportunity to improve. And this goes for Joubert as well. He has but a couple of minutes on the pitch! I remember when the same shitty coments flew about Bosman. Are we supporters of the team or bitches at a sports bar, nagging about the time we got up to watch a game? I am sure the boys are out there busting their balls to make us look good amongst your collegues and chommas. Keegan and Plum are more ripped apart over a loss than us! Come on support girls! :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.03.12 09:23:53 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 71) :
    Yup – West to East is the bugger that always get me. Takes at least a week to adjust – and I am just a desk jockey.

    Okes need to slow their role and recognise that travel for SA teams consistently produces poor results in Australasia because of this – its not just the Waratahs game.

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.03.12 09:51:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 71) : Oops yes. West to east is worse. I explained it correctly but messed up the final sentence.

    It does help us (SA Teams) to have been there for a 2 or 3 weeks and then to face a team who have just arrived back from SA a few days before.

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.03.12 09:52:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 75) : corrected now. :)

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.03.12 09:58:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’ll make some final observations on this particular subject then leave it be. Jetlag is a real thing, I’ve experienced it myself, I don’t doubt that it’s a contributing factor to a team’s fatigue.

    I do however question to what degree it contributes and also whether it’s become a convenient excuse for SA teams? I base my ‘wonderings’ on a number of things:
    - Comments made by Alistair Hargreaves in his SS column. And yes, he has some questions to answer regarding personal performance but we can’t disregard his insight into the preparations and workings of the Sharks team. He’s been there a while.
    - The fact that teams usually have at least five days to acclimatize after travelling. Now the temptation would be to go with the reliable Nam response when replying to this point: “You weren’t there man!”. That’s true. I have however attended 4 day conferences in Malaysia two days after landing without problems. The trick is don’t get caught up in the touristy stuff the day after landing. Relax and invest in some naptime. This leads to my final point.
    - Mental fatigue might have been an even larger contributing factor than jetlag in my opinion. This is where killer instinct and the right kind of coaching may have made a difference!

    And finally, the one thing I will not fault Plum on is backing youngsters. I honestly don’t think that’s what did us in here. In my opinion, putting Jordaan on the bench instead of Joubert may have been enough to change this particular result but that’s purely speculative.

  • Comment 77, posted at 27.03.12 10:19:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I like this article. Did you send a copy to Plumtree?

    :grin:

  • Comment 78, posted at 27.03.12 16:47:31 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 78) : you know what, he just doesn’t reply to my emails

  • Comment 79, posted at 27.03.12 17:36:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : You arent really surprised by that though, are you?

  • Comment 80, posted at 27.03.12 17:50:47 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 80) : not hugely, no

  • Comment 81, posted at 27.03.12 18:00:29 by robdylan Reply
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