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Grudging respect is due


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 2 Apr 2012 at 13:48
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Sometimes in this job you have to write something that you really don’t want to – and I think today is one of those occasions for me; I need to pay my respects to the Stormers pack who, quite honestly, are playing pretty astounding rugby at the moment.

Having gone undefeated in their first 5 games, long after all others have picked up at least a single loss, the Stormers are sitting pretty ahead of their tour which gets under way against the second-placed Highlanders this weekend. More importantly, though, the Cape side, having seen off the challenge of the Bulls in the last round, can deservingly claim the bragging rights for having the best pack in the competition a third of the way into the competition.

Now, we know that our friends in the Cape like to celebrate early, so this is not one of those “give the Stormers the trophy” kind of articles; however it is a nod to the work that Matt Proudfoot is doing in the Cape, because the way in which players young and old alike are standing up and playing effective, disciplined rugby is great to see. Rookies like Eben Etzebeth, Siya Kolisi and the two young props (who battled at scrum time against the Bulls, it must be said) are standing up and playing like men with far more experience, while the old hands like Andries Bekker, Tiaan Liebenberg and Duane Vermuelen are also in good form for the men from the Cape.

Not that the Bulls were all that far behind on Saturday, though, although in the case of the team in pink, discipline was nowhere near good enough. That said, there was nothing wrong with the intensity.

It’s a little worrying from a Sharks point of view, given the recent woes up-front; John Plumtree’s men appear a fair way off the pace set by the Stormers and Bulls amongst the forwards and I’d imagine that even the Cheetahs would fancy their chances against the Sharks up-front. Men like Bismarck du Plessis, Steven Sykes, Willem Alberts and the phenomenal young Marcell Coetzee seem to be going out of their way to re-establish the dominance of the Sharks pack; they’ll need each and every one of their mates in the black and white to raise their game accordingly, though, when it comes time for the return visits of the Stormers and Bulls to Kings Park later in the year.

The Bulls might just find themselves needing to rebuild just a little more than expected, though, with forwards coach Johan van Graan widely tipped to be called up to Heyneke Meyer’s Bok management team, along with defence specialist John McFarland and conditioning coach Basil Carzis. For the Stormers, though, Proudfoot is going nowhere and fans of the blue and white hoops should be openly thanking their lucky stars that they have such a great forwards coach on board.



45 Comments

  • Nice touch Rob.

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.04.12 13:54:01 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : it pisses me off, though… we’re meant to have built a dynasty, but instead we seem to start from scratch every 2 years.

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.04.12 13:57:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • Going to watch the game again and then give my opinion, it was my birthday and well, ja it was going vrot at my place.

    Do remember Kitshoff starting well, start taking a few hidings and then fight his way back into the game.

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.04.12 13:59:07 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Etzebeth is the one players that was worth all the hype!

    I can’t see Elstadt getting his 4 jersey back easily.

    Kolisi and the Redhead have impressed as well.

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.04.12 14:01:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) :

    I’m looking forward to hearing from you about my choices in eye wear! ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.04.12 14:02:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : The thing with Elstadt is that he has always been a 7, he was a bit of an experiment at 4 last season

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.04.12 14:03:07 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) :

    Oh I see!

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.04.12 14:03:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) :

    They can rotate them.

    @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    Indeed, it is quite strange actually. When youngsters are backed, results are achieved (keeps seniors on their toes too).

    Just look at Marcell, counts as one of my top 5 best loosies in the competition so far.

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.04.12 14:05:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) :

    And you must email me please.

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.04.12 14:06:36 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : I forgot about rotation.

    Question, is there any reason that DeKock Steenkamp is in that team?

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.04.12 14:09:06 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 10) :

    IN case Bekker breaks down I reckon…

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.04.12 14:11:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) :

    I agree on rotation but as a 1st choice starter Etzebeth takes it for me.

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.04.12 14:11:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : Oh let me rephrase that, do you rate him high enough to have him in the team.

    I cant rate him but I think its more to do with him just looking soft more than anything else.

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.04.12 14:12:57 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 13) :

    What are their other options? De Kock has been around and knows the structures I suppose.

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.04.12 14:14:21 by Morné Reply
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  • One thing Iv noticed about the Stormers pack is that its in the second half of the second half that they really seem to turn up the heat on the opposition – the scrums, until then, are pretty equal.

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.04.12 14:18:19 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Agree – their pack is playing phenomenally well at the moment, despite missing The Schalk – and we all know what he is worth.

    I thought the Bulls were screwed by the ref a bit – very good showing from them too.

    Big difference for me is that both those sides, unlike the Sharks, utilise pods more than individuals on attack and defence – seldom get isolated or steam-rolled. Good coaching.

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.04.12 14:30:45 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : well, he tops the Top 10 on tackles made in S15 so far this year – 118

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.04.12 14:38:02 by Ice Reply
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  • Why the Stormers pack come alive? The 3 youngsters Etzebeth, Kitshoff, Kolisi and combined with Elstadt they got some players that i would’nt mind wearing a Black and White jersey.

    Etzebeth has had the same effect on the Stormers pack as Bakkies did for the Boks’ physical game. It just shows that having a pack and individuals that can dominate the opposition physically can put a whole team on the front foot. Etzebeth is a beast and i really hope his age doesn’t count against him when Bok season comes round….cos at the moment he is looking crazy good and powerful, and to think he will probably gain another 5 or so Kg in the next year or two. 122kg, 2.03m tall and the speed of a looseforward…Insane!

    Etzebeth/Elstadt is to the Stormers what Alberts/Deysel is to The Sharks…the teams simply won’t be able to play as well as they can without them.

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.04.12 14:42:19 by JJR Reply
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  • Kolisi has been good for Stormers on defence; but have you seen Coetzee’s stats?!…Coetzee is great, he gets us over advantage line more often than everyone else in our forwards so far this season, and makes the most tackles…Coetzee is the complete looseforward, a combination of 6,7 and 8 all in one guy. Well done Marcell!

    Wanna see Deysel get more time this week…had 4 minutes gainst Brumbies and stole the ball at least once…and slowed the Brumbies ball well.I want to see him get some ball in hand against the canes.

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.04.12 14:51:17 by JJR Reply
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  • Etzebeth is the best 4 by a country mile in SA at the moment imo. Surely has to get a Bok call up this year.

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.04.12 14:55:58 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : Agreed, he surely can’t be ignored even if Heyneke Meyer decides to don his Bulls-tinted glasses during selection.

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.04.12 15:02:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Imagine this Bok A/B team -

    1.Beast/Greyling
    2.Bissie/Chilli
    3.Jannie/Cilliers(been bladdy good this season so far)
    4.Etzebeth/Flip/Elstadt
    5.J.Kruger/Bekker
    6.Brussouw/Coetzee/Kolisi
    7.Alberts/Deysel
    8.Burger/Spies
    9.Hougie/Pienaar/Pretorius
    10.Lambie/M.Steyn/Grant
    11.Mvovo/Habana
    12.F.Steyn/JDJ
    13.JPP/Sadie
    14.Basson/Aplon
    15.Viljoen/Joe Pietersen(stop kicking and run!) :smile:

    Might have left out some other contenders; but the guys to play for the Boks this year, probably at least 90% should come from this group.

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.04.12 15:04:04 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 22) : I’m glad you mentioned Patric… I was just thinking he’s got to be the form tighthead in SA at the moment.

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.04.12 15:06:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 22) : throw in Taute at fullback ahead of Pietersen, IMO

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.04.12 15:07:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : @vanmartin (Comment 21) : The best play from 4, and the most athletic and Big 4 i have ever seen. Etzebeth is like the Spies of lock…Etzebeth just has a bit more aggression and leg drive :smile:

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.04.12 15:07:41 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : @robdylan (Comment 24) : Cilliers has been great, def. been the best 3 in SA so far this year. Taute?… I respect ur opinion :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.04.12 15:09:34 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 22) : Very much doubt Grant will come into Springbok contention. I think Meyer will look to the youngster for backup to Steyn. What are your thoughts on Sadie? He’s hasn’t really outshone any else this season in my opinion.

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.04.12 15:09:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Oops forgot the Goose for 10…would be cool to see him add some impact off the bench this year, and once he has learnt some more he can gun for the starting 10 spot next season.

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.04.12 15:12:48 by JJR Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : counts as my best…had a huge debate with my Bulls, Stormers and Lions mates yesterday.

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.04.12 15:13:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 27) :I forgot about Goosen :oops:

    Sadie, he has had his injury worries os far, so hasn’t really had much time to show what he can do this season; but we know what he is capable of, he did some really great stuff for the Stormers on their tour last year and was always seen as a standout in the age group competitions in the past…he has got the potential.

    Jordaan could have a shout for Boks once he gets gametime for Sharks in Currie Cup, but he still needs a full season of superugby just to get into things, hopefully he gets some opportunities soon…still young, but he has all the attributes to be a real x-factor star off the bench for Boks…come on for JPP ;-) Or JPP just moves to wing.

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.04.12 15:17:35 by JJR Reply
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  • How old is Willie Le Roux of Cheetahs? Maybe he could be a future 15 option 4 Boks, has good skills.

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.04.12 15:27:13 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 31) : 24ish

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.04.12 15:29:11 by Ben Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 27) : I really hope Steyn isn’t the first choice flyhalf.

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.04.12 15:34:39 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 33) : I’m actually praying he isn’t!

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.04.12 15:37:30 by Ben Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 29) : Jay!! We seem to agree on a point!! Big step for u and me! :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.04.12 15:42:16 by Ice Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 33) : Same here but I’d be genuinely surprised if he isn’t.

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.04.12 15:51:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I think the whole country doesn’t want to see M.Steyn at 10, again…we need a flyhalf that can play all types of game plans. With Morne at 10 we have become so easy to prepare for, simply because the teams know what game Boks r gonna play.

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.04.12 16:31:38 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : Lol…doesn’t happen everyday. Love Marcell, Lambie and Herbst. The BMT they show for 21 year olds is amazing. Must say, I was expecting more from Bressler…

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.04.12 16:33:31 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • come on guys… Morne Steyn is basically Heyneke Mayer’s protege at flyhalf… there’s no way he’s picking anyone else in that jersey.

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.04.12 16:34:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 38) : Herbst shows the BMT of a 21-year-old? Not bad, except he turns 23 in July :)

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.04.12 16:35:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 34) : @vanmartin (Comment 36) : I would pick Grant over Steyn but in saying that Grant is rather limited with the boot in regards to distance. I think 40 m or so is his range. We would need someone else who is good enough to be a first choice kicker.

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.04.12 16:35:38 by lostfish Reply
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  • :twisted: And then some : :!: RESPECT to the CHEETAHS!!!! What a comeback!!!! :!:

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.04.12 16:38:06 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 41) : :twisted: Lambie, Jantjies and Goosen will be called on as well. Not a bad problem to have a this selection. Selecting a flyhalf for a game plan :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.04.12 16:40:15 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 43) : Of course there are the others but they are still quite raw. I would have them in the team but not as the first choice. The only one of those 3 who I would throw in at the deep end would be Lambie.

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.04.12 16:42:51 by lostfish Reply
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  • Stormers forwards were outstanding, especially in the first half. They absolutely monstered the Bulls pack, it was brutal.

    Etzebeth is a abolute gem of a player. Brilliant, brilliant player. Meyer just can’t look further than him at 4.

    I know Keegan had a good game this weekend and he is our captain. BUT for our return game against the Bulls and Stormers would really love to see Alberts at 8 Deysel at 7 with Marcell at 6. Will give us that extra power and with Deysel there we will secure more ball/or slow it down at the breakdown. We need a monster pack to square up to both Stormers and Bulls. Really hope we can have Beast back by then too. Chadwick played well this past weekend, but we need more aggression playing those two sides. Pity we lost Mostert as well.

    Another thing if we do get Frans Steyn he is like a extra flank really. Sure he was great at inside centre in the world cup, but he also cleaned out some rucks too. Big powerful centre he is and that too would help us. Though not sure if he will sign for Shark (really hope he does) if he does it might be too late to include him in for the S15 games.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.04.12 09:11:42 by Puma Reply

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