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Sharks – lacking intensity?


Written by Iza Loubser (Ice)

Posted in :In the news, Original Content, Reader Submissions, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 7 Apr 2012 at 14:52

It’s been a much debated subject these past couple of weeks. Everyone who is everyone, thinks he knows why, but it is always interesting to see the views of fanatics!

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“The Sharks surely had their chances but a lack of intensity on attack and defence saw them slump to a humiliating defeat.

I would venture that the travel factor -after weeks on the road- played a significant role in this lacklustre performance. They started off well in terms of holding onto the ball but there was never intensity as they took the ball up. They looked flat; no speed onto the ball; sort of just going through the steps right from the start and got even flatter as the match evolved. None of that never say die attitude that the Cheetahs enthralled us with last week against the same opposition.

During the early part of the first half (and second half as a matter of fact) the Sharks dominated the possession stats with the Hurricanes having to make almost twice the amount of tackles. However, there was a certain lack of concentration, intensity and team work as evidenced by the constant spilling of the ball, poor decision making on attack and lack of quick support at the tackle ball. They kept losing the ball in the tackle; they were slow in support at the collisions culminating in crucial turnovers; and they opted for taking the ball into contact on numerous occasions when there was actually space outside.

All the above as well as the constant flare-up of tempers indicates physical and mental tiredness. I believe the approach of most teams is to try and win at least one match on tour and secure bonus points in the remaining matches. The Sharks having won their previous match against the Brumbies rested some of their big guns in this match, indicating that they either underestimated the Hurricanes or didn’t mind losing the match.

It was a disappointing performance by the Sharks altogether specially because they looked to be the better coached side. The Hurricanes –as was the case last week against the Cheetahs- scored mostly individualistic tries and has not convinced me that they can actually build constructive tries. The Sharks on the other hand clearly has the ability (to construct tries) but a lack of intensity and concentration saw them bumble numerous opportunities.

One of the Sharks biggest problems in this match was the defence in channel 1. As the match progressed the Hurricanes exploiteded that weakness (poor or slow defence in channel 1) and in so doing were able to break through the Sharks defensive line on a number of occasions with ease, scoring as a consequence some flashing tries without really constructing it through a process of builiding phases and pressure. Lucky packet -almost undeserved- tries made worse by a dubious TMO decision with Conrad Smith’s try. Charl McLeod and Frederic Michalak and the openside flanker were late and as a result mostly ineffective on defence in channel 1.

Another problem the Sharks seem to have is that they run too laterally with the ball in the backline and lack real pace in the back three. Mvovo is the only one in the back three that belongs in this team, in my opinion, the other two not having shown anything to me that suggests that they have the flair and /or ability to create tries or opportunities for team mates. Tim Whitehead (the No12) was the only one who ran straight and showed some nice acceleration and directness, but he was mostly skipped because of Frederic Michalak’s tendency to throw long passes to the outside.

The problem is that Frederic Michalak habitually drifts sideways after receiving the ball from Charl McLeod who also always seems to be running at least 5 steps laterally towards his flyhalf before he passes the ball. JP Pietersen on the outside also seems to favour the outside break, which mostly doesn’t work because the defence has already been pulled laterally by the drifting McLeod and Michalak.

A disheartening week for the Sharks but the result of the travel factor and management (resting) of some key players (I hope).”

I am sure this is going to lead to much heated debate! AGAIN! :) ….. especially after a great display form the Stomers this morning!



85 Comments

  • Thanks Ice,

    Speedy service… :mrgreen: ;-)

    Much appreciated Ice.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.04.12 14:57:38 by Puma Reply
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  • Charl McLeod who also always seems to be running at least 5 steps laterally towards his flyhalf before he passes the ball. JP Pietersen on the outside also seems to favour the outside break, which mostly doesn’t work because the defence has already been pulled laterally by the drifting McLeod and Michalak.

    Exactly what I was saying after last weeks game!

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.04.12 14:57:56 by Ice Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 1) : No sweat – long weekend, writing is scarce! ;-)

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.04.12 14:58:42 by Ice Reply
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  • Wonder what plums plans are going forward here..surely he must be worrying as the blues won’t be push overs and we could walk away with one win only..

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.04.12 14:59:55 by shaniboi Reply

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  • Well the travel factor never seem to bother the Stormers who had a monster game against the Bulls last week.

    So really from now on we can’t use that as a excuse. Well as Mclook says it could be the continuous travel that has set in.

    We definitely need Lambie back that is no question. Freddie cost us two tries yesterday.

    Like Mclook I agree Ludick just not up to it and I am still not totally convinced by Viljoen yet.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.04.12 15:08:07 by Puma Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.04.12 15:11:08 by Puma Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 4) : Have a bad feeling too about the Blues game.

    If we don’t get Lambie back I will feel even more doubt for this game coming up.

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.04.12 15:13:07 by Puma Reply

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  • Intensity? :lol: :lol:

    Rather try. Commitment, dedication, pride, direction and guts.

    What they have plenty of is, a slapgat attitude to detail, defence and discipline. :(

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.04.12 15:33:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : Intensity IN lack of dedication, IN lack of Pride, IN lack of direction! :lol:

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.04.12 15:57:12 by Ice Reply
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  • I’m not sure we can really use the “travel factor” as an excuse…

    1. The Stormers travelled and decisively won their 1st game on tour, against the then top ranked NZ team.

    Conversely, the Sharks in their 1st game blew a good lead against the Waratahs and after giving in meekly, blamed the “travel factor.”

    2. The Cheetahs had a storming tour! With a bit of luck they could have won ALL four of their games. In their 3rd game, they were within a shout of pipping the Crusaders.

    Conversely, the Sharks were blown off the park by a mammoth 6 tries to 2 by the Hurricanes.

    Nope. Forget “travel factor”. The only valid excuse I can see is that the Sharks are just not good enough this season. Besides, I’m sick and tired of rehashing the same old excuses season after season. That in itself says it all.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.04.12 18:13:18 by siorc Reply

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  • I’d say the traveling might be a reason, but that still is no excuse. No excuse at all

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.04.12 19:59:04 by juba_fan Reply

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  • Like I said on another thread, this Sharks team has the goods, on paper our injury ravaged team should still be the top S.A team, yet we are 4th! What a disgrace! We should have won this trophy at least once looking at the team ‘on paper’.
    So the simple question, what turns those stats, that potential, into on field performance? The answer could be the players, and if it was one or two only, I would’ve believed that, but half the team? No, then the problem lies higher up, I am tired of hearing John Plumtree make the same excuses week after week, with no semblance of actual work being done.

    I want to be proud to be a Sharks supporter, but right now, honestly, I can not say that I am

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.04.12 23:46:12 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • The Sharks need a coach that will ram there asses into the ground if they don’t perform. Not someone like Plum who only wants to be their buddies.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.04.12 00:54:28 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 13) : Ram their asses. Bloody english language! :)

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.04.12 00:57:09 by Ben Reply

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  • ‘It was a disappointing performance by the Sharks altogether specially because they looked to be the better coached side.’ The writer has not been following the sharks for the last few years! Either that or the hurricanes dont have a coach.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.04.12 02:09:13 by cody007 Reply

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  • What a damn disappointment.

    The Sharks lack an intelligent game-plan, discipline, a scrum-half that can make good decisions, intensity, team-spirit, a defensive system, but most of all, The Sharks lack a good coach.

    Five years with the resources available in Durban and a sneak or two for an away semi is just not good enough.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.04.12 06:07:13 by fyndraai Reply

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  • What chance the powers that be (Van Zyl & co) will even do anything about the situation? After all, we the fans still renew our season tickets every year, still renew our corporate suite contracts every year and still buy up tons of Sharks merchandise every year. The money keeps rolling in, irrespective of performance, so what do they care? Maybe its time for the fans, whose hard earned cash keeps these guys employed,to step up and start demanding answers. Pissed off fans might just get Van Zyl to sit up and take some action.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.04.12 08:17:18 by Stu Reply

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  • Team i would like to see named next week-

    1.Chadwick (he needs to be more consistent with his performances)
    2.Bissie
    3.Herbst
    4.Deysel
    5.Sykes
    6.Coetzee
    7.Alberts
    8.Keegan
    9.Mcloed
    10.Lambie
    12.Whitehead
    13.Jordaan
    14.JPP
    15.Viljoen

    16.Burden if fit, if not we will probably have flown over Cooper.
    17.Jannie
    18.Bresler
    19.Botes
    20.Hoffmann
    21.Fred
    22.Bosman

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.04.12 10:53:22 by JJR Reply
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  • Can someone please tell me why Ludik is used on the wing?…the guy is terrible as a wing option…not gonna offer anything on attack, and Joubert on the bench,WTH! what impact is a 32 year old over the hill guy gonna bring.

    Plum said he was going to rotate more this season, i don’t see it, Choosing Joubert for a bench spot is bladdy conservative and i’m pissed that he still believes experience will help us Win, talent and ability will help us win….experience doesn’t mean jack anymore, players mature a lot faster these days and the youngsters have been the best performers throughout superugby this year, so far.

    Sharks are inconsistent performers…maybe cos there isn’t a mental coach?
    Sharks defend like crap…maybe cos there is no defensive coach?

    Wake up Van Zyl!

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.04.12 11:00:26 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 18) : You’re confident enough to only field 14 players against the Blues!?!?!? :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.04.12 11:24:24 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : Oops :oops: Forgot Mvovo :smile:

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.04.12 11:35:30 by JJR Reply
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  • The Blues Boss did the honourable thing and resigned due to their poor performance. . .

    < Looks expectantly towards Straulie and Plumtree > :evil:

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.04.12 11:50:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) : Pat Lam gone confirmed?

    We can’t change Sharks management now, we can only add to it, which i think should be done, but it won’t. We can still Win Superugby, just a matter of getting The Sharks players and management on the same wavelength…Coaches are tellling the players what to do, but i don’t think they executing the plans. And The Sharks need to show Balls, they dominated the first 20 minutes against Canes, but ended up 14 behind, it happens…Sharks should’ve just stayed patient, cos teams can’t defend like that all game…instead we started running from our own 22 and kicking the ball away because we were not really penetrating…Sharks players really need to stand up and earn their money and play for the jersey…put things right, we get 5 points gainst Blues and then difficult home games, but they at home, we will Win those ones. After Blues all our remaining games are in South Africa, we need to capitalise on that and bag the points.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.04.12 12:04:49 by JJR Reply
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  • My 2 cents worth!

    I am not one to slate my team or its coaching staff, but i was shocked at what i witnessed this past weekend.

    Yes the ref was not good but surely he cant be to blame for

    1.lack of commitment
    2.Lack of Leadership
    3.Lack of dedication and application
    4.Poor skill set
    5.Being a team that is full of individuals not playing for each other
    6.Not playing for the love of the Black and White, not in anyway am i saying they dont love the jersey? but surely they should start showing signs of it if they do?
    7.Poor coaching as mental preperations seem to be non existant?

    I am sure if one really sat and thought about this one would find quite a few more trouble spots?

    Surely a player like Chadwick should be guided and helped? i am not saying he is not a good player and not really wanting to single him out as there are many culprits, but if one looks at the mistakes he makes? its the same week in and week out?

    Surely our players should learn to think on their feet?

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.04.12 12:12:37 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 24) : Chadwick had a great game gainst the Brumbies; but Reds, Tahs and Canes, his missed tackles and inability to stay on his feet for more than a second when he carries, costed The Sharks badly. Chadwick’s missed tackles often lead to a try, and his carries he just goes straight to ground and gives us hardly anttime to go and clear out, Chadwick always has to hold onto the ball on the ground because he makes no bladdy effort to stay on his feet when he meets contact…it’s pretty basic errors, and i don’t like to single me out, but he has been poor everywhere except for the scrum.

    We need Beast back, Ludik must not play wing, would way rather have JPP/Jordaan playing 13/14, and Deysel is also needed, maybe pop him at 4, so we can have his fetching abilities, and he has carried the ball 5 times in 15 minutes and got rid of the first defender in 4 of those runs…we need that. Our lineouts won’t suffer, our lineouts seemed to be well organised the past couple of games.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.04.12 12:24:13 by JJR Reply
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  • ^Sorry for Typo’s :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.04.12 12:56:16 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 2) : pretty accurate. We need Lambie at 10

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.04.12 13:27:00 by King Shark Reply
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  • ‘lucky packet tries’? The author is smoking his socks!

    The canes have gamebreakers galore!
    Snakey, andre taylor, julian savea & beauden barrett, the sharks would give their left nuts to have even a smidgen of that much x-factor!!

    Hammett is trying to build a team from nothing after the so-called ‘senior players’ bailed after not wanting to listen!

    The sharks themselves are hardly backline set-piece specialists like say the Saders, they live off turnover ball or barging through their forwards as shown in the brumbies game.

    The canes are still finding their niche but kudos to them they are taking big scalps while still learning!

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.04.12 18:46:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 28) :
    “Snakey, andre taylor, julian savea & beauden barrett, the sharks would give their left nuts to have even a smidgen of that much x-factor!!”

    Slow your roll there Megatron. I really imagine that you are smart enough to know that the Sharks are packed with x-factor (Lambie, JP, Mvovo, Whitehead, Alberts, Beast, etc) – its consistency and team- play that they lack, not talented individuals.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.04.12 21:41:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • x-factor & whitehead in the same breath? :mrgreen:

    you’ve just counted 5 boks there & still u complain about ‘consistency’, that’s just sad.

    The point is, the author says he ‘is not convinced the canes can construct tries’ but is incredulously convinced that the sharks can, FROM WHAT EVIDENCE?

    Like is said, Hammo is trying to build a team from no-name brands vs a tea, like the sharks chock full of international players or blokes boasting more than 1 season of super rugby!

    It’s not like the canes are technically sharp on defence so for the sharks to struggle to rip the apart when the cheetahs did it the week before is more of an indictment on the rubbish backline/attack coaches @ kings park!

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.04.12 23:00:43 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 30) :
    No argument from me regarding the fact that the Sharks have the internationals and that we should have expected to open them up on attack – not constantly fall short on the 5-metre line.

    I’m not really weighing into this latest debate cos I have nothing new to say – even a cursory trawl of the archives will show that for at least 2 years I have been saying that the Sharks have a coaching issue.

    Regarding Whitehead, I’m interested in your thoughts on him. I do believe that he has real x-factor. I’m actually a bit concerned that if Frans does come back, we will lose a lot in not playing Whitehead.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.04.12 23:26:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 31) : Whitehead will just have to move to 13 with JP back to his wing position.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.04.12 08:11:21 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 23) : Not Lam, Greg Muir.
    But according to the papers Lam is probably looking at other opportunities as well.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.04.12 08:16:46 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 29) : not to worry BF, megatroll is just doing his usual bating,

    You can have XXX factor in each player, but it still means nothing if they dont play as a TEAM,

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.04.12 08:54:44 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 33) : haha – knowing our luck we’ll probably get Lam as assistant to Plum

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.04.12 09:07:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well Nick Mallet is out of a job and wanting to stay in SA… Even tho a lot of us (myself included) haven’t forgiven him for the Teichman fiasco he might be a good option. I however am giving Plum and the boys my support until the end of this super rugby campaign and if they dont deliver then its time to light the torches and break out the pitch forks

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.04.12 09:16:47 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 36) : Plum and the Main pancho villas at the sharks are big friends, trust me they wont make changes :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.04.12 11:07:14 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : Noooo what happened to Positive Rob ?! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.04.12 11:08:54 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 38) : He Lost the Positive at the Welsh church service :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.04.12 11:31:20 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • People, people, people! All this negativity is unbecoming and unnecessary; you’re not seeing the positives in all of this! Allow me to elaborate:

    Over the last few years the single biggest problem plaguing the Sharks has been the lack of quality flyhalf and centres. With Pat lambie being allowed to settle at 10, the signing of Tim Whitehead (and possible signing of Frans Steyn) and the move of JPP to 13, we have a 10-12-13 axis that, if allowed to develop could still inflict some serious damage.

    Added to that we have depth across the park, with all of the players (with the exception of Odwa and Marius Joubert) being on the right side of the age curve. Also, all of the players (with the exception of Conrad Hoffman and Marius Joubert) have produced Super Rugby quality performances at some point. Admittedly, most of them are not doing it consistently, and some not even for a full game, but that the fact that they have done it shows the potential is there.

    So basically, (with the possible exception of open side flank and scrumhalf) we have one of the most balanced (and dare I say talented) squads we have seen in years, one that, on paper, measures up to just about any squad in the competition. Really, we’re *this* close to being a championship team, with only one eeny teeny detail preventing us from achieving Super rugby glory -the lack of a competent, properly structured, disciplined coaching team.

    Fortunately, I believe the penny is dropping, and we may still see the changes we the fans are clamouring for in no time at all; possibly as soon as Pat Lambie’s 40th birthday :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.04.12 12:11:31 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 40) : for the most i agree with you

    in the case of Steyn returning?? this is the backline i would go for, and then i would have one more wishlist in bringing back Pienaar

    my backline would be:
    15 Viljoen
    14 JPP
    13 Whitehead
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 lambie
    09 Mcleod( would prefer pienaar)

    Bench:
    Mcleod
    Jordaan
    Bosman

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.04.12 12:54:51 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • the other option would be if JPP was kept at 13

    15 Viljoen
    14 Sbura
    13 JPP
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 lambie
    09 Mcleod( would prefer pienaar)

    Bench:
    Mcleod
    Whitehead
    Bosman/Jordaan

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.04.12 12:57:41 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • By the way ROB! if you happen to see this,

    I was sitting at a restaurant watching the cheetahs match last weekend amongst a group of cheetah supporters and according to them JOHAN GOOSEN is Sharks bound at the end of the year, according to them he has signed with the Sharks already ( done deal)

    they were saying it was said to be on one of the afrikaans rugby programs on telly here and in the Rapport newspaper, although that article i cannot find??

    you have any news on this?? or info ur hiding from us for now?? :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.04.12 13:04:02 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • imagine this backline

    15 Lambie
    14 JPP
    13 Whitehead/Jordaan
    12 Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Goosen
    09 Pienaar :roll: could cause havock

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.04.12 13:05:56 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 43) :

    Doubt that’s true.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.04.12 14:14:06 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : If that is true and Goosen is on his way to Sharks eoy, then definitely would shift Lambie back to 15. I am still not convinced of Viljoen at fb and still think Lambie is our best fb in South Africa. Sure Taute is good, but for me none are as good as Lambie. Lambie is safe as houses at the back. All ways in position. He was really great there during the wc.

    For now though think Lambie will grow into one of our best fhs if given the time there.

    I would go with then much like you:

    Lambie
    JPP
    Whitehead
    Steyn
    Mvovo
    Goosen
    McLeod

    Pienaar would be great at sh but not sure if he would come back home. Let us dream and yes, if he did come back then play Pienaar there..lol.

    Would like Jordaan to get some more game time. Needs to get on this year for 15 min each game. We wasting a talent there not giving him some game time.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.04.12 14:22:36 by Puma Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 41) :

    Btw, Pienaar recently signed a 3-year contract extension with Ulster.

    I wouldn’t have any hope of him returning at any point. Sad but true.

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.04.12 14:22:50 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 46) : meant = always

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.04.12 14:23:38 by Puma Reply

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  • Just to stir things up.

    I can’t help but laugh at some of the Lions supporters who had such high hopes after a watered-down Currie Cup 2011.

    Now they find themselves dead last. :shock:

    CHEETAHS!!!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.04.12 14:29:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) : Do you support the Cheetahs or WP?

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.04.12 14:45:30 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 50) : just the teams who is winning at the moment in time…could change from week to week… :razz:

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.04.12 15:15:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 51) : Clearly not supporting the Sharks then! :)

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.04.12 15:19:39 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 50) :

    Province/Stormers.

    @Ice (Comment 51) :

    Not true. I’m also a big Cheetahs supporter… when they’re not playing the Stormers.

    I’d be devastated if they were to be relegated next year, which is why I’m more vocal in my support for them then usual :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.04.12 15:20:18 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 52) :

    I do when they play NZ & Aussie teams… but how embarrassing was the past weekends performance.

    Glen Jackson did them no favors though. That was a pathetic performance. Blatant cheating. Sad thing is that the NZRU has ‘high hopes’ for him, so we’ll probably continue to be cheated by the pr1ck.

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.04.12 15:22:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : Yup that was an unacceptable performance. I’m also developing a like for the Cheetahs. Love the running rugby style that they persist with. Lovely to watch. What’s your take on Willie le Roux?

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.04.12 15:28:00 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 55) :

    I like the guy, but not sure he’s got the attributes to be a Springbok winger in the tighter spaces of test rugby. Doesn’t play that sort of game.

    Might be wrong though… or he could do it as a fullback! Who knows :mrgreen:

    Most impressive for me is the progress of certain players. Hennie Daniller is having by far his best season. Robert Ebersohn is undoubtedly one of the form centres. Johan Goosen just keeps getting better – his kicking has actually taken a back seat. Ashley Johnson has become one of the strongest ball-carriers in the competition. Coenie Oosthuizen has scrummed well the last 2 weeks and become EVEN better around the field.

    And Andries Strauss is starting to live up to his potential as a 12. Makes that backline function.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.04.12 15:33:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 53) : I can only support one team. But that said, I cannot deny any team playing beautiful rugby…credit where credit is due!

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.04.12 15:33:58 by Ice Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 56) : Willie is 22 and has some serious skills. Needs to work on his defense though. I’ll be following his development closely. Got loads of x-factor.

    Johan Goosen is starting to look better and better after each game.

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.04.12 15:42:13 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 57) :

    That’s because you’re overly provincialistic.

    How you can support the Crusaders over the Bulls I’ll never understand :shock:

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.04.12 15:46:20 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) : easy… Daniel Carter.. :twisted:

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.04.12 16:04:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) : provinsialism is infortunately what ssupporting a certain team is about, innit??

    I support the Sharks and the Boks…now, where is the overly provinsialistic in that?? If the boks play I don’t give a @@@ who’s in the team (as long as its the best)…how can u accuse me of being over provinsialistic?? LOL – silly comment u did not think through.

    And apparently u don’t read so well either. I said I don’t support any other team. So I don’t support the Saders, but I sure as hell like the way they play. So, I LIKE them better, but I will also say so if the Bulls play well. (Don’t mean I need to brown nose them though)

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.04.12 16:11:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) : serioulsy… Go back and read PAST the first sentence in that comment before you comment…

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.04.12 16:12:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 61) : Se hom tannie ysblokkie en skop sy enkels :lol: :evil:

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.04.12 16:17:22 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 45) : Its what i thought ans said too, but they seemed adament, they were a group of about 10 cheetah supporters, i still very much doubt it though

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.04.12 16:20:15 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • Any update on the results from the final day’s play at the Kearsney Easter festival?

    I see that S’bura Sithole (Queens), Tera Mthembu (Dale) and Paul Jordaan (Grey Bloem) were all scouted and signed up at the Kearsney festival. What a boon for the Sharks to have the best schools in the country playing on their doorstep every year.

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.04.12 17:31:57 by siorc Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) : shame hendrikp that’s cruel! While I don’t really support the Lions, I really feel for the Lions’fans I would be really devastated if it was my team in that predicament :(

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.04.12 18:03:04 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 66) : … especially when I reckon the Lions would beat the Kings 99 times out of 100… :???:

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.04.12 18:23:44 by siorc Reply

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  • In all fairness, how can we expect to really compete with teams like the Bulls and Stormers..? These teams have the coaches and a great feeder system thanks to Varsity Rugby…there’s one thing we can control in the short term and that’s the coaching stuff .We need to employee the best coaches all round so that youngsters are at least attracted by that else we’ll loose the race.

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.04.12 18:53:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 68) : Coaching was never a problem for the Sharks teams of the 90s.

    I think the Sharks have regressed since those heady days of being the domestic leaders in professionalism. The bulls, mainly, and now latterly the Stormers have overtaken us in terms of professionalism.

    I don’t believe the Sharks take coaching seriously enough, as is blatantly evident by the lack of specialist coaches.

    So you’re right, we need to get back on track and at the moment our coaching complement is seriously deficient.

    When I was at varsity I’m sure I saw some pretty big names having played their club rugby for UNP (Pmb). Mark Andrews etc. We need to get UKZN strong to compete with the northern and southern powerhouse universities – is there any reason why the Sharks Academy can’t align with UKZN rather than Varsity College?

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.04.12 19:03:55 by siorc Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) : its easy, work day in and day out with a bunch of bull-supporters and you’ll support any thing that’s playing against the bulls

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.04.12 19:18:26 by Franshark Reply
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  • is anyone els watching the varcity cup final
    For those interested
    Tuks 5 – 0 Maties
    14 min

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.04.12 19:24:47 by Franshark Reply
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  • Tuks 5 – 8 Maties
    21 min

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.04.12 19:36:05 by Franshark Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 69) : I agree but first the varsities have to improve there is always the social stigma having graduated from Natal.

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.04.12 19:40:03 by durbsguy Reply

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  • Tuks 13 – 8 Maties
    35 min

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.04.12 19:50:25 by Franshark Reply
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  • @durbsguy (Comment 73) : Lol. Do tell me more. Things must have changed A LOT in less than 10 years for there to be a “social stigma” :smile:

    In terms of the recent 2011 QS global rankings UCT stands head and shoulders above the rest in an SA context (ranked 156 worldwide), then Wits (399), then Stellenbosch (banded 401 – 450), then Pretoria banded 501 – 550). UKZN pulls in next at 601 – 650 (ahead of Rhodes) so it can’t be thaaaat bad as a varsity today…

    Admittedly Natal has fallen from the top echelons of South African tertiary institutions seeing as it has fallen in the rankings year on year for about half a decade now but c’mon how many of these rugby players are actually serious about completing degrees? ;-)

    Anyway, UKZN is still better than UNISA which is essentially what Varsity College is…

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.04.12 19:55:40 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 69) : We should align ourselves with UKZN asap. Watching the VC final, the quality is awesome. This means that these two unions will have a steady flow of talent that has BMT..

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.04.12 20:15:41 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Tuks 13– 13 Maties
    HALF TIME

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.04.12 20:22:01 by Franshark Reply
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  • Never nice reading such:”
    Wellington – The Stormers are threatening to run away with the Super Rugby championship after they humbled the Highlanders 21-6 at the weekend in a top-of-the-table clash.

    There was a clear gulf in class between the top two sides and the Stormers’ big win sends out a real warning to the teams hoping to bridge the gap before the playoffs.

    If there is a chink in the Stormers’ armoury, it is an inability to score tries: they sit on 28 points from six wins and a bye, but have failed to pick up any four-try winning bonus points.

    The Highlanders slipped from second to fifth position after their home loss.

    The Stormers not only dented the Highlanders’ aspirations but they did so backing up from a hard-fought win over the Bulls and showing little evidence of fatigue after the long trip from South Africa to start their Australasian tour.

    The victory was built on a well-rehearsed strategy of a watertight defence, which restricted the Highlanders scoring to just two penalties and underscored why the Stormers have leaked fewer tries than any other side.

    “We pride ourselves on our defence. We work terribly hard at it and we show our commitment to the team through our defence,” said captain Jean de Villiers.”

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.04.12 20:25:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Tuks 21– 13 Maties
    57min

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.04.12 20:28:32 by Franshark Reply
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  • I’ve asked this before and don’t think I got an answer. What do you guys think about Hilton Lobberts? I think he is probably in the top 3 locks (no.4′s) in the country..He is big on defense and dishes out plenty of pain…we currently miss that type of player, as a result our pack is very ineffective….

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.04.12 20:38:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 75) : I would have thought with the dedication that goes into being a professional sportsman would carry through in all spheres of their lives.

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.04.12 20:38:55 by durbsguy Reply

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  • Tuks 29– 13 Maties
    65min

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.04.12 20:39:47 by Franshark Reply
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  • @durbsguy (Comment 81) : I know many graduates of the University of Natal and have yet to encounter the so called stigma or pessimism you seem to possess for the institution.

    I think you are being overly critical without foundation.

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.04.12 20:49:19 by siorc Reply

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  • Tuks 29– 21 Maties
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  • Comment 84, posted at 09.04.12 21:06:41 by Franshark Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 83) : Well i wouldnt say theres a stigma per se but if u are given the opportunity between ukzn and pretty much most other universities in sa u wont be picking ukzn. I finished high school in 2005 and the only contemporaries of mine that chose to go to ukzn were the ones that couldnt afford to go to other universities or didnt get in because of the higher entrance requirements… I even had some english speaking friends choose to go to bloem instead

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.04.12 03:48:32 by RuckingFun Reply

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