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So what’s up with Dale’s socks?


Written by André Meyer (Culling Song)

Posted in :Original Content, Reader Submissions, Sharks, Super Rugby on 18 Apr 2012 at 10:25
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Regular readers will have noted how a few off-hand comments made on this site yesterday about Dale Chadwick’s perennially-around-the-ankle socks escalated into the kind of verbal trench warfare rarely seen outside of American politics.

Given that this is clearly a highly emotive issue, with strong stances and deeply held opinions abounding, I have decided to add some fuel to the fire, After all, what’s more fun than a bit of anarchy, chaos and mayhem?

From what I could gather, on the one hand there’s a school of thought that suggest by running onto the field of play with socks around the ankles, the player is not showing the necessary deference the Sharks’ uniform, and by inference the union and fans, and that this is potentially indicative of a disrespectful attitude and lack of discipline.

On the opposing side, there’s the “conformity breeds mediocrity” argument; namely that the players are highly-paid professionals, employed for their individual abilities on the field, and as such allowances for individual quirks and preferences have to be made if we want to get the best from the players, rather than having a set of pre-programmed, unthinking robots executing a series of set plays.

As with most things in life, the answer probably lies in the grey area between these two defined extremes. Looking at the history of the Sharks, we will note that the team that so famously broke our Currie Cup drought in 1990 was led by Craig Jameson, whose socks were also noted for their propensity of succumbing to gravity’s irresistible pull. Similarly, there is no shortage of available photos of Wahl Bartmann and Gary Teichmann with their socks in the lowered position, and this never seemed to affect their much-vaunted leadership abilities.

What is clear though is that these players plied there trade at a time when the Sharks team was well drilled, and discipline formed part of the team DNA, which made it rather easier to allow some elbow room for the scruffy okes (many of whom could now slot into the Sharks Legend category – Cabous van der Westhuizen, anyone?) without adversely affecting the culture of the team.

More recently, in his stint as head coach, Hugh Reece-Edwards had a laissez-faire approach to player management which, if memory serves, landed us at the bottom rung of the Super 12 log. On taking over the helm, Rudolf Streauli (himself a limited coach in the eyes of many) steered the same group of players to two consecutive Currie Cup- and one Super 12 final, with a near-dictatorial approach to discipline and team-over-individual being one of the cornerstones of his success. Certainly, in this case a philosophy of “pay attention the small things, and the big things will take care of themselves” reaped rich dividends.

Simply put, there is no right or wrong. Different people respond to influences differently, and it’s the management team’s unenviable task of determining what approach and philosophy works best in each specific environment and set or circumstances.

Morné has noted before that commitment on defence (or lack thereof) is one of the clearest indicators of the pride, discipline and camaraderie in a team. For my money, Dale’s socks wouldn’t have been such a big issue if the aforementioned qualities did not seem so sorely lacking at the Sharks. Had the Sharks played with the same kind of commitment and team cohesion we see from the Stormers in ’012, or the Reds in ’011, then Dale could have worn his socks on his unmentionables, Red Hot Chilli Peppers-style for all I cared. Right now though, those socks seem to be emblematic of a larger malaise blighting the Sharks, one which, if not addressed soon, is likely to see us fans endure yet another frustrating “so close yet ultimately meaningless” set of results.



140 Comments

  • I played a couple of games, with socks down and put a moisturiser on my legs that doesn’t really absorb, so my legs were really “slippery”; broke at least 3 tackles thanks to the guys not being able to get a grip :smile: And as a 13, you often running into a gap, which makes the chances that they going to go for the legs even greater.

    Don’t think Chadwick’s reasons are the same as mine, though :lol:
    Just make sure ur boots r tied up and taped up properly, the tacklers often slide onto ur boot; and it’s pretty easy to be running around with 1 boot for half of the game :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.04.12 10:31:28 by JJR Reply
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  • You just couldn’t resist, could you? You must be the Yang to Rob’s Yin

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.04.12 10:34:36 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 1) : dude, WTF? Did you just admit to using moisturiser before you play rugby? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.04.12 10:35:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Not embarred; i tried it out for the right reasons…to “slip” more tackles. It could’ve been worse, i could have shaved all my leg hair off :lol:

    But not gonna try it, again though, the roasties i got, got all infected… :sad: :smile:

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.04.12 10:42:28 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Watch some sevens next tournament and watch Frank Halai of NZ with his socks down…check how many guys just slide off legs…do what eva u can to get the upperhand :smile:

    Has also worked for James O’Connor…

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.04.12 10:43:55 by JJR Reply
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  • As someone mentioned yesterday..I think back in Teichs time, they still had grannies knitting the socks, nowadays its almost like knee-high pantyhose…

    Fact is, Dale played one game, with his socks UP and they stayed UP. And it looked good! And I think we won that game… :wink:

    BUT, I maintain that I don’t for one moment critisize the player’s ability or his personality. It is simply an image and pride PERCEPTION that if you look neat, it gives the PERCEPTION that u are wearing ur uniform with pride.

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.04.12 10:48:09 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : Those granny knitting type socks are the worst…always break, and need a bladdy rope and tape all over the place to keep them up :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.04.12 10:50:38 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 7) : apparently u still get them… I believe it is still a fashion accesory at the Pampoenboere! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.04.12 10:54:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 8) : Don’t really see too much of them here in Potch…so they pretty much faded out. Havn’t gone to Vryheid to go check,though…the rugga tournament there i saw a few teams with them :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.04.12 11:01:28 by JJR Reply
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  • Nice read CS but to blame Chadwicks socks for the Sharks percesived defensive frailties is pushing it a bit imho especially when he is 13 on the tackles made chart for the entire competition chart and has, I think, gone 2 games without missing a tackle.

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.04.12 11:05:22 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) : what? he had a shocker against the Canes! He had a really good game gainst Brumbies regarding his defence, though.

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.04.12 11:08:43 by JJR Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) :

    I think you read it wrong. Try the last paragraph again. ;-)

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.04.12 11:12:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) : I reckon its a tongue in cheek article… :wink:

    And the wooden spoon goes toooooo…. :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.04.12 11:15:36 by Ice Reply
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  • A masterpiece created by the pen of a genius…
    And it all started with a comment from a man from Saudi…
    About a young man sock :)

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.04.12 11:17:23 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 14) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.04.12 11:26:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 11) : True.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.04.12 11:27:48 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) : Ok done it for the third time, still come to the conclusion that if Chadwick pulled up his socks then the entire teams defense would improve. :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.04.12 11:30:58 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Good read! Thanks CS :grin:

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.04.12 11:32:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 17) : read it AGAIN.. :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.04.12 11:33:42 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 13) : Damn, and here I thought it was the answer to all our defensive problems. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.04.12 11:33:50 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 19) : No, I like my interpretation. :twisted:

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.04.12 11:35:54 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 17) : Are you sure you’re reading this article? ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.04.12 11:43:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This must be one of the most useless arguments ever.

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.04.12 11:43:41 by Qshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : The only thing Im sure about is that Dales socks are big news at Sharksworld.

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.04.12 11:55:58 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.04.12 11:57:19 by Ice Reply
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  • Shheeeshh, would ya’ll just take a chill-pill! Look at the author and tell me HOW serious this “argument” is truly meant to be… :roll:

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.04.12 12:10:49 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : baklei jy nog, tannie?

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.04.12 12:12:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not sure I want to add to this rather smelly debate.

    One thing is for sure, All The Sharks better Pull Up their Socks for this weekends` encounter . . .

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.04.12 12:15:58 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : nie meer oor sokkies nie! :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.04.12 12:19:07 by Ice Reply
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  • Maybe it’s his trademark like straus’s beard or schalk’s blond hair.he’s trying to get noticed. ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.04.12 12:19:30 by juba_fan Reply

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  • Some okes just can’t appreciate a brilliant piece of ‘tongue in the cheek’ writing.

    Well done CS!

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.04.12 12:22:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @juba_fan (Comment 30) : he should get noticed for playing…that’s his job! :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.04.12 12:23:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) : seconded :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.04.12 12:23:54 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 33) : thirded :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.04.12 12:26:48 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 14) : Whoaw there, you’re going to make me blush! :oops: Thanks for the compliments, but I think you should reserve that kind of praise for the next winner of the Booker prize…

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.04.12 12:30:01 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) : As I said, what’s more fun than a bit chaos, anarchy and mayhem? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.04.12 12:31:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) : Exactly.

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.04.12 12:43:59 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 35) : you got me studying the other day with that “dyed-in-the-wool” comment ;) learned something new in english :)

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.04.12 12:46:21 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) : And others dont understand tongue in cheek comments / retorts, regardless of the use of smileys. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.04.12 12:46:57 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Only CS can make an article about someone having trouble keeping it up (his socks, that is) into an eloquent ramble into human nature.

    Mind you, I still think the old folk around here just need to recognise that grumpiness is a sign of advancing years. ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.04.12 12:46:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 39) :

    Ja OK! Did you add the :twisted: afterwards? :wink:

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.04.12 12:48:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) : Nooit, I dont think you can add smileys in the edit format. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.04.12 12:56:55 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 42) : Just added mrgreen above, so smileys do work in edit format.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.04.12 13:00:26 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) :

    Did you see the comment on the SW facebook page for this article?

    Ai tog! :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.04.12 13:00:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 43) :

    Ek sê jou! :grin:

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.04.12 13:01:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 44) : Nope, enlighten me!

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.04.12 13:03:05 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 46) :

    Go look for it yourself lazy ass.You do ‘like’ Sharksworld don’t you? :grin:

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.04.12 13:06:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 47) : Looked up and commented on. Happy now?

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.04.12 13:07:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Just for the record, my name is not Dustin. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.04.12 13:10:36 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 48) : The follow up article will be interesting.

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.04.12 13:11:33 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : meyer bosman & marius joubert are kak even with their socks up, go figure :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.04.12 13:13:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 47) : Please enlighten me, I am barred from facebook at work.

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.04.12 13:25:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 51) : :lol:

    but I see once again u r just out to stir… I did not say anything about the player’s ability, nor that he will play better. I simply said that *I* don’t like it as it looks sloppy..I never once said he IS sloppy, PLAY sloppy etc. So no, I don’t compare clothing and ability… :wink:

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.04.12 13:26:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 48) :

    And I love it!

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.04.12 13:27:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 52) : Some bloke went into crazy, rabid rant mode about the pettiness of the article, etc. etc. etc., all without having read the article. Alternatively, if he had read it then I can only surmise that English must be his 7th language after Esperanto, Swahili, Hrvatski, Mandarin, Inuit, Shangaan and Gaelic. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.04.12 14:11:19 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I’m amazed that nobody has actually said it’s a SUPERSTITION, because that’s all it is :shock:

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.04.12 14:16:30 by Benjamins Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) : @Benjamins (Comment 56) : See CS now you’ll have to change your article to add superstition as well.

    I didn’t think of it to be fair.

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.04.12 14:20:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Benjamins (Comment 56) : serious? So like other okes put their jocks on back to front, he likes he’s socks down?
    1.For interest sake, what does he believe would happen if they are up?
    2. Has it helped for whatever the answer is in my 1st question?

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.04.12 14:25:49 by Ice Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 52) : this is what Dustin had to say:
    “Really…socks is an issue? Wow… thats something else… I cant believe that of all things that can be analysed you went with socks. The guy has stepped up to fill very big boots and is actually doing pretty well. I for one dont think we should be having a go at him about his socks… If thats all we can point at and say.” Hey Dale must be a bad influence cause his socks are always down” then things have seriously gone wrong in rugby. The amount of great players that played with their socks down is staggering so leave tha poor oke alone. How about doing a story about how well he has done under such immense pressure?”

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.04.12 14:27:39 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 58) : I really would like to get an answer on that, because if it’s not working, then I’d like him to try playing with his socks up… :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.04.12 14:28:45 by Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 10) :

    Have you compared “short sock’s chadwick’s”tackle stats with Tendai’s from last season? Interesting reading, sadly for the Beast! http://www.verusco.com

    One thing most people dont realise is that every player has a specific, individual role to play in the team, given to them by the coaches – defensive, attacking, pilfering etc… these are work together to create an overall strategy for the game, one that hopefully works on the day against a specific team :???:

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.04.12 14:28:54 by Benjamins Reply

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  • @Benjamins (Comment 56) : welcome… glad you managed to get in eventually :)

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.04.12 14:32:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Benjamins (Comment 61) : question for you, which you may feel free not to answer if you wish :)

    Do you know Dale personally?

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.04.12 14:35:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Benjamins (Comment 61) : I can appreciate that. But they need to let these individual roles become a united game…and that seems to be lacking right now. They are all brilliant players, doing theire individual “chores”, but it seems that they r not complimenting each other. The circle is not complete..

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.04.12 14:35:10 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 60) : He made his Super rugby debut with his socks up ;-) …but they were down by half time :)

    He played all the games in the currie cup last season (until the Boks returned), and he scored 2 tries with them down so i say it works!

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.04.12 14:38:25 by Benjamins Reply

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  • Thanks Rob, yes i do :) do you want me to interview him?

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.04.12 14:39:19 by Benjamins Reply

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  • @Benjamins (Comment 66) : I doubt Dale would consent to an interview for Sharksworld. I think there’s some bad blood, which is unfortunate and all based on misunderstanding. I’ll talk to you about it over email if you like.

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.04.12 14:42:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Benjamins (Comment 66) : can I do the honours???!! :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.04.12 14:44:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @Benjamins (Comment 65) : fair enough, would it be pushing it to ask him to just start with his socks up and them play them down?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.04.12 14:53:19 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 68) : NO! You’re staying the hell away from him! That’s an order :mrgreen:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.04.12 14:58:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : :mrgreen: YES, SIR! SURE, SIR! :lol:

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.04.12 14:58:23 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

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  • @Ice (Comment 60) : :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.04.12 15:04:54 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : Haha! It’s good to finally be bantering :)
    I don’t see why he would say no, in all honesty. Mail me some questions.
    As for the bad blood, i’m not sure what that is about, but am sure it’s water under the bridge! Being a professional sportsman means taking a lot of criticism – there will always be fans, and anti-fans.
    The ugly face of blogging is when people attack a person’s character, without knowing them… thats not cool.

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.04.12 15:06:35 by Benjamins Reply

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  • @Benjamins (Comment 75) : agree with you

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  • @Benjamins (Comment 75) : Welcome to the site! :cool:

    Next order of business is to go to this link and upload an avatar: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/wp-admin/

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  • @Benjamins (Comment 75) : eggzacketilly!!

    Welcome, BTW! :grin:

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.04.12 15:20:35 by Ice Reply
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  • It is pure superstition and does it make anybody play better? Who knows?

    But it’s something that someone believes in and I was always taught never to judge someone’s belief system.

    As for attacking a professional sportsman on a blog, my belief is that as soon as someone is doing that you are clearly doing something right to get noticed. No one cared last year year when Dale played every Curry Cup game with his socks down?

    Fully agree with not attacking someone’s character but that comes back to being judgmental.

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  • @Benjamins (Comment 75) : hey hey, welcome, buckle-up, have a save drive and enjoy the journey…

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.04.12 15:30:30 by Franshark Reply
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  • @angelictwist (Comment 79) : I’m with you on this one… I really don’t think we should give a rat’s ass about where and how Dale wears his socks… it’s what’s inside the uniform that counts and he is doing a sterling job under difficult circumstances.

    He doesn’t pick himself. He didn’t break Tendai’s leg (that was actually Keegan). He didn’t sell all the other loosehead options we had. No… Dale has done nothing wrong and in his first season of Super Rugby is coming along just fine and shouldering a massive work load.

    Mistakes get made, sure – part of the deal of being in the senior team is that you’ve got to be able to take the criticism when you do make mistakes, because we’re going to expect the same level of performance from all players who wear the jersey, junior or senior.

  • Comment 81, posted at 18.04.12 15:36:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : A point well made!

    Everyone makes mistakes, if we didn’t then I don’t know? What frustrates me (and this is with all SA sport) we praise and praise our heroes on the field when they are playing 100% and above but as soon as any of them drops by even 10% we judge and say the most disgusting things about them. It’s fickle and disrespectful, either you love them or hate them.

    But I think I’m opening a WHOLE new can of worms.

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.04.12 15:45:57 by angelictwist Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : I don’t think any of us were really attacking his character or him as a player, just pointing out that wearing your socks down does give one a bad perception of one’s attitude, not ability. and they really drive me insane!!!!

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  • @angelictwist (Comment 79) : tell Ice that Lemon Twist Angel :razz:

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.04.12 15:48:17 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 83) : You said he is a slapgat.

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.04.12 15:48:47 by Ben Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 83) : but to me this is the same thing… how can you make assumptions about somebody’s attitude without it reflecting on their character?

    The way I read it, it’s tantamount to saying that you don’t think Dale cares about the team, because you consider his appearance to be sloppy… that, to me, is an unfair judgement based on information that you simply cannot have.

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.04.12 15:49:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @angelictwist (Comment 82) : haven’t met you before so wellcome!! and yes you are definitely opening a WHOLE new can of worms – when you say we judge players, are you implying that players are above criticism? While I agree that getting personal is a no no, I also do not believe that they are above criticism. If they need to pull up their socks ;-) then we, as fans, are entitled to say so!

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.04.12 15:50:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @angelictwist (Comment 82) : “we say the most disgusting things about them”… that’s a point that I’m interested to explore further, at the risk of being unable to ever put the worms back into the can. :)

    I want to know where the line is in terms of what can be said and what can’t. I would love to have the kind of open relationship with players where you can say “so-and-so had a pretty average game” without anyone getting bitter and twisted about it. I draw the line at saying things like “so-and-so is a kak player”, though, because that, to me, simply isn’t fair or constructive.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.04.12 15:52:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : I agree Rob, and as I say, I was not judging him as player or his personality. I do not like the look as I have a thing about neatness, and just as much as anyone have the right to say it does not bother them, I have the right to say it does. BUT, by doing so, I am not judging his character. As u rightfully point out, he and any other sportsman will get critisized one time or another…may it be for hairstyle, or whatever. And as a pro sportsman, they must also be able to handle that type of crit. But I agree 100% not to critisize his character and ability when doing so.

    AND another BUT, it has been established now that its a superstition, and I will respect that and in future will be able to tell that to other fans who also bemoan the socks situation.

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.04.12 15:55:40 by Ice Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 87) : this goes beyond socks… of course, we all know that… but I think we need to be a little more scientific about criticism (and praise, for that matter) and at least justify what we say.

    Dale’s ruck technique came under fire earlier in the season – and that was with good reason, I believe. If we’re going to criticise him for that, let’s be clear that we’re talking about just that one aspect of his game, rather than making a blanket statement about having a poor attitude. He’s not above criticism, but he deserves to at least know what he’s being criticised for.

    LOVING this discussion, just by the way :)

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.04.12 15:56:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 83) : that is if “one” is in the business of judging others by their appearance! :roll: :evil:

    stop judging, period!

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.04.12 15:57:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 85) : @robdylan (Comment 86) : actually I said that his appearance gives that impression, not that he IS, and that sometimes all you get is a 1st impression! SO if an alien had to watch a Sharks game and Chadwick is the field with socks by his ankles and he accidently “flops” (for whant of another word” on the ball, that alien’s reaction will be oh well see goes with his socks!

    And just for the record here, I really like Chadwick! I was one of those not very concerned that Eugene had been sold as it gave Chadwick his chance! However his socks do DRIVE me insane!

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.04.12 15:59:07 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : “I draw the line at saying things like “so-and-so is a kak player”, though, because that, to me, simply isn’t fair or constructive.”

    I trust MJ is exempt from above rule… *ducks and runs* :twisted:

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.04.12 15:59:15 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Hi All!

    @robdylan (Comment 88) :
    I agree with you…how can I player wearing a Sharks/Springbok/or any other representative team br a “kak player”? He may have a bad game bt doe that make him “kak”?
    One of the reasons I have not been around lately, is that I got fed up with the abuse thrown at the Sharks & some of the Sharks players, when we lose a game. :evil:
    Has it improved since last year?
    I also think this whole thing about Dale has got out of hand :???:

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.04.12 16:00:19 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) :

    This thread is rocking your socks off?? :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.04.12 16:01:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 91) : Listen here Megs, I cannot help the way I was brought up. Neatness to me is really important ask my husband what happens to his socks when they are lying around and why his bill for socks is so High! :evil: :)

  • Comment 96, posted at 18.04.12 16:03:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 91) :

    You never judge do you?

  • Comment 97, posted at 18.04.12 16:04:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • if it was for Ice and all the other mother grundys Super rugby woulf be like the NBA where players are SO restricted and penalised about their dress code on and OFF the field. “no head bands, no black ankle guards etc”

    :lol:

  • Comment 98, posted at 18.04.12 16:05:29 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 87) : Thanks for the welcome :mrgreen: No one is above criticism at all. Criticize away… I criticize a whole lot of sportsmen!

    But my belief is that if you support a player or a team you should do it all the time. Not only when they are playing at their best. Don’t support them one week and then slate them the next week because they made a mistake (which we all do).

    But there is my can of worms again.
    Back to the point, yes you are entitled to tell him to “pull up his socks” but as long as he is playing good rugby, does it really matter?

  • Comment 99, posted at 18.04.12 16:06:08 by angelictwist Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 97) : nope! i don’t look at a person and impose my own perceptions of neatness on them and conclude they’re sloppy :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 100, posted at 18.04.12 16:07:49 by Megatron Reply

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  • You wouldn’t imagine that this is the middle of the S15…..I would imagine a thread about socks would reach a 100 comments in the off season but in the middle of the S15……I’m flabergasted! :lol:

  • Comment 101, posted at 18.04.12 16:08:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @angelictwist (Comment 99) :
    Hi!
    Agree with you!

    BUT must add…I think he should start the game with his socks up :grin:

  • Comment 102, posted at 18.04.12 16:08:33 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 101) : :lol:

  • Comment 103, posted at 18.04.12 16:09:18 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 102) : Ha ha ha… Fair enough!

  • Comment 104, posted at 18.04.12 16:10:31 by angelictwist Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 96) : don’t worry shawty, i’m not judging you. :lol:

  • Comment 105, posted at 18.04.12 16:12:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 97) : Oh, he does!! I am livving proof and a fav target!

  • Comment 106, posted at 18.04.12 16:14:30 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 105) : :lol: I admit defeat!

  • Comment 107, posted at 18.04.12 16:14:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Now fair friends I must bid you good bye till the morrow! oh and by the way angelictwist: I hope you are joining us for the Sharks Ladies Breakfast for the last two years Sharkworld has been represented at this fine event, and this year we will be representing once again :grin:

  • Comment 108, posted at 18.04.12 16:16:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 102) : that’s exactly what I asked Benjamins to tell him! :lol: and again, I was not aware it was a superstition, and I respect that. :wink:

  • Comment 109, posted at 18.04.12 16:18:40 by Ice Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 108) : I would love love love to go to the Sharks Ladies Breakfast but I live in JHB :sad:
    Send me pics…

  • Comment 110, posted at 18.04.12 16:22:45 by angelictwist Reply

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  • @angelictwist (Comment 110) : hey! No sweat! We are about4 or 5 ladies travelling every year from JHB for this event! Think about it! :wink:

  • Comment 111, posted at 18.04.12 16:25:23 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 111) : Sounds good! Let me know…

  • Comment 112, posted at 18.04.12 16:27:39 by angelictwist Reply

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  • @angelictwist (Comment 110) :
    Yes do come…it is great fun!

    @Ice (Comment 109) : :smile:
    Maybe Dale will be at our table :grin:

    I wonder why Rob never answers my questions :???:

  • Comment 113, posted at 18.04.12 16:28:58 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Thank you everyone for an entertaining afternoon… Thanks Rob for an awesome website!

  • Comment 114, posted at 18.04.12 16:29:15 by angelictwist Reply

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  • I think this article is not about Dale really. Its about people with OCD. Please be kind to them.

  • Comment 115, posted at 18.04.12 16:29:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 115) :
    forgive my ignorance… OCD :???:

  • Comment 116, posted at 18.04.12 16:31:47 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • “After all, what’s more fun than a bit of anarchy, chaos and mayhem?”

    CS, it appears the hallucinogens have granted you the gift of prophecy! Who should I pick in the next LMS round?? ;-)

  • Comment 117, posted at 18.04.12 16:34:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @angelictwist (Comment 112) : pop me a mail sometime ice@sharksworld.co.za – will keep u in the loop! :wink:

  • Comment 118, posted at 18.04.12 16:35:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 116) : Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    Obsessive-compulsive disorder
    ;-)

  • Comment 119, posted at 18.04.12 16:37:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 116) : obsessive compulsive disorder! Aka Ice! :lol:

  • Comment 120, posted at 18.04.12 16:38:04 by Ice Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 119) :
    @Ice (Comment 120) :

    OK…OK… I get it …
    :grin:

  • Comment 121, posted at 18.04.12 16:42:56 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 120) : not verkramp? :lol:

  • Comment 122, posted at 18.04.12 16:43:07 by Megatron Reply

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  • :lol:

  • Comment 123, posted at 18.04.12 16:47:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 113) : what question?

  • Comment 124, posted at 18.04.12 16:52:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 124) : its a serious illness, have empathy please! :lol:

  • Comment 125, posted at 18.04.12 16:55:05 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 125) : I can’t have empathy if I don’t suffer from it myself, hon…

  • Comment 126, posted at 18.04.12 17:02:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 126) : no need, u can just put urself in my situation…no need to suffer from something to have empathy.. :wink:

  • Comment 127, posted at 18.04.12 17:05:21 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 127) : sympathy on the other hand..? Not so?

  • Comment 128, posted at 18.04.12 17:07:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 125) : rob is a stalker, that’s his OCD he just hasn’t be disgnosed…proclivity to want to be “friends” with sharks players :lol:

  • Comment 129, posted at 18.04.12 17:09:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 128) : you have it the wrong way round.

  • Comment 130, posted at 18.04.12 17:18:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 129) : you have an unhealthy interest in what I do, on the other hand… perhaps you can truly empathise with me on this score, Megs?

    What am I wearing today… ?

  • Comment 131, posted at 18.04.12 17:21:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 131) : bwahahahahaha look who is talking, you reckon that’s what the players say too? “rob you have an unhealthy interest in what we do”? :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 132, posted at 18.04.12 17:25:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 132) : I think they understand my motives, Meggy…

  • Comment 133, posted at 18.04.12 17:37:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 130) : hahahah Roberto! What’s new? But u know me long and well enough to understand “ice english”!

  • Comment 134, posted at 18.04.12 17:48:04 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 132) : @robdylan (Comment 133) : he has a sight to run…news about them..its how its done, Megs.. *show him the light, please*

  • Comment 135, posted at 18.04.12 17:51:28 by Ice Reply
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  • @ice: um, DUH :roll:

    i’m yanking his chain….

  • Comment 136, posted at 18.04.12 20:12:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 124) : My post No 88 !

  • Comment 137, posted at 18.04.12 23:28:00 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 136) : and it didn’t flush!!!

  • Comment 138, posted at 18.04.12 23:30:12 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 94) : has it improved? No, can’t say it has…

  • Comment 139, posted at 19.04.12 00:10:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Dale – put a pair of socks on GumTree(in the down position), I’ll start the bidding at $71.50.

  • Comment 140, posted at 19.04.12 04:03:19 by NoVaseline Reply

     

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