robdylan

Confession time


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Apr 2012 at 11:07
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My name is Rob and I don’t have a clue how to fix what is wrong with the Sharks.

There, I said it. I’m sorry if you were all hoping for something more meaningful this morning; something to give you hope that things, at least in my view, will miraculously improve for the side. There’s a lot of anger and a lot of frustration at the moment – that’s understandable. I’d like you all to know that I share that frustration and no small amount of anger too. I’ve been accused of having a lot of different agendas but the one thing that I hope will stand above question is my passion and love for the Sharks. Seeing them play like this makes me sad and makes me angry – don’t ever doubt that.

Some will accuse me of trying to sugar-coat things, of trying to play down the problems I see. That is perhaps true, but please bear in mind the tight rope I must walk here. If I allow myself to descend into the seething pit of anger that so many others seem to be in, I’m very quickly going to burn what few bridges I have left. Trust me, that’s not going to help anyone in the long run.

So no, I’m not going to rant and rave. As one of the other authors said to me this morning, the feeling of seeing something you love in so much trouble, yet feeling completely powerless to do anything about it, is a terrible one. I will always have hope for the Sharks, but have to admit that my confidence in their ability to turn things around – and in my own ability to influence anything in their favour – is at a low ebb right now.

So there we go, fans. There are problems and I feel they are deep-seated. We’ve identified plenty of factors that we think need to change, but it also seems that a new set of issues crops up each week. If there’s somebody who honestly feels that they know how to fix this, it would be great if they could stand up now and do so… if that person happens to be John Plumtree, Rudolf Straueli or anyone else in the current set up, so much the better.

The feeling right now, though, is that they’re in the same boat as me and that, friends, is the most uncomfortable feeling of all.



129 Comments

  • :twisted: Rob, at last, you confirm what we all always thought:) hehe

    My only question is, do the players really respect Keagan as a captain?

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.04.12 11:19:54 by Uli Reply
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  • JIP. Sort of like having a family member addicted to crack or meth. You love the person with all your heart, but can do nothing to stop the downward spiral.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.04.12 11:25:10 by rhineshark Reply

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  • Plenty wrong the moment with the Sharks and it’s not all the players.

    I still believe the Sharks have the right players but somewhere there are big problems.

    What concerned me most was that someone that was at the game apparently saw Bissie and Keegan having an argument after a lineout to the extent that they didn’t even try do defend. That spells huge problems to me within the structures. Is this why the Sharks aren’t playing as a team? Who knows?

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.04.12 11:27:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) :

    That’s an interesting observation..

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.04.12 11:28:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Ja it does suck, when Sharks are going on like this it does hurt and i personally feel really deflated this week…and as you said Rob, not too much we can do about it, because there are a large number of issues that need to be fixed; some have been there for ages, but for some reason no focus is put on fixing it.

    If we lose to Highlanders i think Big dicisions need to be made, because then making knockouts will be difficult and chances that we are going to travel across the world to play is high.

    -Sharks Bosses must think about moving Plum back to where he was succesful…as a forwards coach, We need an out and out head coach, Nick Mallet has been thrown about quite a bit. Lack of creativity in the backs…always been the case when Grant Bashford has taken lead of the backline coaching.

    The Captain issue…personally i think Deysel has the right temperament to be Captain. Keegan plays hard, doesn’t lead hard, IMO. Players don’t seem to have much direction, and always seems we don’t know when Sharks will kick the goals or go for touch…players are unsure, and not really on the same wavelength.

    If we get outta touch for a knockout spot, i want to see our promising youngsters givin a shot.

    At least we get 4 points this weekend :lol:

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.04.12 11:28:56 by JJR Reply
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  • I feel you Rob. My belief is that in time people will look back at one of the most talented periods in Sharks rugby and ask how the heck they managed to win nothing.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.04.12 11:31:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 1) : They say the players selected Keegan; but i really don’t think that’s the whole truth…even just listen to the tone of Marius Joubert on Boots and All when talking bout keegan…sounds accepting to keegan…doesn’t really praise his ability as a leader.

    @Pokkel (Comment 3) : Smit Vs Bissie and now Keegan Vs Bissie, eish! The Sharks are never a team in superugby, Sharks have star individuals, but this definitely isn’t a Star TEAM, changes need to be made. I believe the key to Sharks’ poor performances is mental approach. Once again, we don’t make use of a mental coach in Sharks rugby… :sad:

    Thinking of going into Rugby/sports psychology after i finish my behavioural sciences degree…would love to be qualified enough to help the team i am so passionate about.

    Really don’t see a culture of team work at The Sharks….we can go on all day….

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.04.12 11:35:17 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) : I was there. Saw the argument. What I also saw is that television cant show you just how un-coached this team is. I have no doubt we have the right players, but no plan whatsoever. No leadership. Plum must go yesterday.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.04.12 11:49:07 by jako Reply
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  • @jako (Comment 8) :

    I’m worried about that.

    I’m glad you confirmed it cause I hate telling 2nd hand stories that could prove to be wrong.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.04.12 11:53:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • :twisted: With you Rob! If I wanted this kind of disappointment I could just try on my 1999 Speedo! At least our darkest hours has only 82 minutes!

    “Those who never philosophized until they met with disappointments have mostly become disappointed philosophers. But if we will all be quiet and ready enough, we shall find compensation in every disappointment. ” :twisted:

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.04.12 11:53:36 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 10) :

    hahahaha on that Speedo comment :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.04.12 11:56:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 9) : even my wife said that doesnt look healthy when keegan was waving his arms around at Bismarck. Knows nothing about the game but so obvious. My engel hier is probleme hier hoor…

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.04.12 12:06:23 by jako Reply
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  • The saddest for me was the cheer when cruden missed the conversion to give us the b point! I thought damn, theyve turned us into lions supporters!

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.04.12 12:10:26 by jako Reply
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  • @jako (Comment 8) : i agree. and have been saying that for a while. he is a good forwards coach though. Bissie vs Keegan. eish. Vrystaat boerseun does have quite a temperament. and this is not the first time i have heard he causes tension in a team (a la Puke Watson). I have always refused to believe this and i rate Bissie really high (i would go as far to say a love him dearly, but oddly, that sounds a bit girly to me!). one thing is for sure. this is a headache.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.04.12 12:11:28 by Crock Reply

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  • I just dont care anymore.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.04.12 12:11:33 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @jako (Comment 12) : :twisted: The main offenders in the Sharks’ team are the 2 Du plessis brothers! Are they above the team?? Not ready to submit to Keagan? Why was Burden pushed back to the bench after 2 briliant tries??? No reason!! Recovered players should play from the bench… :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.04.12 12:13:32 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Here’s my (typically moderate in stance) suggestion:
    1) Fire everyone from Rudolf Streauli down to the last contracted player and coach
    2) Appoint a skilled, knowledgeable, and innovative Super Rugby head coach/director of rugby
    3) Implement a very strict performance contract for the coach, but allow him freedom of choice regarding further appointments/structures to be implemented, etc.
    4) Allow all previous staff and players to apply for their old positions, pending approval from new the coach. By this time the guys who are not committed to the union will anyways have buggered off, and the good ones will be re-appointed

    Simple, really! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.04.12 12:13:47 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 15) : Nou praat jy lekker kak. Like the rest of us you will continue to despair, because you will continue to care, whether you like it or not. ;-)

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.04.12 12:15:18 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 17) : We have a bye coming up. If the okes move on your suggestion we could have a brand new Sharks setup by our next fixture. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.04.12 12:17:04 by rhineshark Reply

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  • oh and i rate keegan as well. not trying to blame any of the two. bit like they say, a fish starts to rot from its head!

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.04.12 12:17:04 by Crock Reply

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  • @Crock (Comment 14) : @KILLER SHARK (Comment 16) : and why is the argument blamed on Bissie? It was Keegan waving his arms :twisted: :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.04.12 12:26:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • :twisted: Keegan is the captain…Bissie missed the mark or made another call, who knows, but trust should be in the captain’s ability not the TV hero who made the mistake. In other teams this would be fine. Why is Bissie above Daniel? :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.04.12 12:30:48 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • whats pretty clear is that there is descention in the ranks, there is no unit,i think a littl unfair to be blammed on any one player

    Coaching has stagnated,maybe to much of a buddy buddy thing going?? also between coaching staff and players??

    Also no faith shown to younger players comming through? by this i mean why play Alberts knowing he has just had a big op and is clearly protecting that injury?? thus he does not tackle like before? is Bismark fully fit??

    Another problem i find with Sharks teams and that includes the Sharks fifteen who on Saturday was destroying the Kings, just to fall asleep and struggle to win the match?? is their mental planning/preperation so poor?

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.04.12 12:34:50 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 18) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.04.12 12:36:58 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Crock (Comment 20) : hehe!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.04.12 12:38:53 by Crock Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 21) : one thing I love about you, honey… your reactions are nothing if not predictable :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.04.12 12:39:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • As for captaincy?? as big a fan of Daniel as i am?? i still believe it is effecting his play as a player and thus he struggles to put together 2 or 3 good performances in a row.

    One must remember that for some reason daniel didnt always start as a player? inconsistency of performance maybe the reason??

    Now as captain he starts every game?? just food for thought

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.04.12 12:39:25 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 23) : mate, their mental preparation is NOT poor…

    it would need to exist in the first place to be described as poor.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.04.12 12:40:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : you spotted a common denominator, mate? :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.04.12 12:40:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : careful the Dudette doesn’t have your head… :)

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.04.12 12:41:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • oh and lastly Bismark?? is it maybe John Smit that inspired him?? now no Smit and now Bismark is nowhere the player we seen play before??

    By this i mean with Smit there Bismark played to try being better then Smit? that obstacle is now gone

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.04.12 12:41:40 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @jako (Comment 12) : What was the build up to the arm waving?

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.04.12 12:41:45 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 7) :

    Why does it seem to be player X vs. Bissy all the time?

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.04.12 12:42:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : LOL GM rob mate, i am trying to be a little less harsh :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.04.12 12:42:33 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : @robdylan (Comment 30) :

    Sorry had to move my comment, initial one was bloody poor grammar!

    But yes – it does seem to be rather odd doesn’t it? :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.04.12 12:43:33 by Morné Reply
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  • Its obvious to everyone that plum must go. Even when muir left i knew that plum wasnt the answer. What difference would he make to the team when he was already in a coaching position there? Was he suddenly going to change personality? Was he keeping his master plan all to himself until he could unleash it as head coach? Sharks management seem to run the union as their family business so i dont see major changes. Nothing short of us finishing in bottom 3 will force them to act. Even if this does happen he will be replaced with some ‘loyal family member’ getting their inheritance.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.04.12 12:43:35 by cody007 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : :lol: Just saying – we were not privy to the argument, could not hear it, how can we say its one of the other is being divisive :) It could have been as Killer alleges @ No 22 or it could have been Keegan over reacting to a bad throw and Bissie telling him to shout louder :)

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.04.12 12:44:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Maybe Bismark should have been given the Captaincy???? it this what is maybe causing descention in the rank??

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.04.12 12:46:15 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Where is Morne’s comment? are you trying to protect our dear fellow blogger? :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.04.12 12:48:13 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • What would be awesome is if we got relegated and had to play in the Vodacom Cup. Then we would win lots of games and maybe even a trophy and we could all feel extra super about our team and ourselves again. Good times all the time!

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.04.12 12:48:16 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 39) :

    Haha, no I deleted it myself, as there was some shocking grammar in there – but it was repeated at #33!

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.04.12 12:53:10 by Morné Reply
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  • if we want a confession…heres mine. Plumtree takes Paul Jordaan on tour and he doesnt get a minute on the park, he returns to SA joins up with the Baby Boks and tears The Pumas a new one !!! now there seems to be an air of arrogance about Plumtree that doesnt sit well with me. Jo0rdaan who is a deadly finisher , a creative spark and a man of blinding speed and deception, thats who should be entering te fray at minute 60…not dropping in Michalak and Bosman who havent shown anything positive except your run of the mill stuff. how do you spark this line when you have players fizzing out.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.04.12 12:56:44 by The Duke Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 41) : :lol: are you insinuating that Bissie is the problem :twisted:

    I don’t understand where this John vs Bissie thing came from both John and Bissie denied there was any bad blood between them, it was all imagined by a certain Blue painted Mr Harmse, when the Sharks were slow to sign up John when he was coming back from France. But yeah, good point :)

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.04.12 12:59:01 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 43) :

    Just an observation given some of the comments above! Just an observation… :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.04.12 13:01:06 by Morné Reply
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  • Solution to all this anger:

    Just be honest with yourselves in realizing that other teams do it better.

    Besides that, winning overseas isn’t the easiest thing to do so a 2 from 4 return isn’t the end of the world. They’ve got a good run of home games now, with the only away games being against the Lions & Cheetahs.

    Also have 2 bye’s, this weekend and Week 16, while every other team has already been given their assured 4 points.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.04.12 13:01:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Firstly,why are we persisting with Jannie at prop?He should become involved with the medical staff.Why do we play 3 no 6 flanks(Botes,Daniel & Alberts) in a game? Put Alberts in his rightful position of 8 or maybe Kanko is fit enough to come back.Sykes would make a good captain or even use Botes again. He captained the side when Stefan wasn’t available or when Barney wasn’t playing.Use the rotation system to bring guys like Burden,Deysel,Marais,Herbst into the scrum more often.Alternate Viljoen & Ludik at fullback or even use Odwa (when he is not crocked).Bosman is lost on the bench. Rotate Pietersen,Whitehead,Bosman & Jordaan.Come on, powers that be at the Shark Tank. Use the players to stop burnout & bodily harm. There is my R1-00 worth. Keegan, do not argue with your players in full view of everyone – do it at halftime. :|

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.04.12 13:13:19 by markm Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 45) : Now if only us Sharks fans could be this level headed.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.04.12 13:14:27 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @markm (comment 46)I agree 100% with you. Give all the players a change on a rotation system. If a player get only 10 min each game, how can they improve their game. The players are all good enough to play. The supporters must stop to be so rude to some of the players.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.04.12 13:27:02 by springbok Reply

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  • @springbok (Comment 48) : I agree with you about that.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.04.12 13:28:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : I’d also like to see a rotation of players and perhaps a few deserving Vodacom Cup players get a chance, they can’t do any worse than our current rag-tag bunch. I know that won’t happen cos Plumtree is risk adverse.
    E.g. I don’t see how Sithole and Jordaan could be any worse right now.
    But if the same old players are letting you down… surely it’s time to look to fresh faces…?

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.04.12 13:56:10 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @The Duke (Comment 42) : He summoned Paul Jordaan, Nick Schonert and Conrad Hoffman all on tour and never played them. Not even when the preferred players were looking tired or crappy. Go figure.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.04.12 14:14:51 by CapeShark Reply
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  • I think there a 3 main problem at the moment:
    1. There is a lack of leadership in the team. And its not just the captain’s fault as every player needs to be a leader.
    2. The players dont seem mentally tuned in. They seem to all have gone into their shells and arent scared to try or do anything.
    3. The players are complacent, each one knows where they are in the pecking order no matter what so there is no ‘competition’ for places so guys do go out there and play for their spot every game.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.04.12 14:37:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • i love these post-loss threads :razz:

    quite carthatic, i think hahhahahahaahahahaha

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.04.12 14:41:30 by Megatron Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 51) :

    you can lead the horse to water…but alas you cant make it swim ! were they there just to experience Bus travel ??? cmon Plum.
    heres a moment, Burden breaks around the ruck near the end of the game…completely isolated because we have no one…of pure pace to be there on his shoulder. Jordaan would of been that man…so says my crystal ball.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.04.12 14:49:33 by The Duke Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 50) :

    Sithole and Tera…both deserve a Run… Jordaan desrves more than a run.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.04.12 14:50:41 by The Duke Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 53) :

    Do you still support the Saders in SupeRugby?

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.04.12 14:54:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : Southern Kings boytjie

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.04.12 15:09:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) :

    I hope you still come around here next year when the Kings play. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.04.12 15:18:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hello, My name is Just a Fan, and I am a Sharks Supporter. :cry:

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.04.12 15:27:06 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : i’ll ALWAYS be here :roll: :razz:

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.04.12 15:51:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 60) :

    Good, I’m looking forward to it! :o

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.04.12 16:14:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 60) : oh fokkin YIPPEE :razz: :roll:

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.04.12 16:16:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : @Pokkel (Comment 61) : just be careful that you’re not the Kings’ first victim next year :lol:

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.04.12 16:19:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.04.12 16:21:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) : We’re bad, but we’re not thaaaat bad ;-)

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.04.12 16:30:13 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) : Now now Megymoo… Behave. :shock: I may just have to spank you. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.04.12 16:32:27 by Shaz Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) : I would write nothing off at this stage…

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.04.12 16:33:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : I would. SupeRugby 2012. There. Written off.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.04.12 16:36:52 by Shaz Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) :Could happen this year already. :twisted:

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.04.12 16:40:00 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Shaz (Comment 68) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.04.12 16:44:48 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) :@Shaz (Comment 68) : If it’s time to ‘fess up, then as you so eloquently said, we need to call this spade a spade and stop trying to dish it up as a shovel. The Sharks have had every opportunity in every match they’ve played to put their opposition on the back foot and capitalise on the great rugby they have played and are more than capable of playing. But they haven’t.
    No one has the answers except the players themselves. I say players because on Saturday that’s what the Sharks were, 15 separate players doing a very poor impression of a team. Leaderless. Rudderless. Directionless. Pointless.
    And bet your bottom dollar they know it.
    To be perfectly honest, I think we need a few good, hard losses to bring it home to us just how bad things really are and how much work needs to be done to shore up the various problems. This business of squeaking by every week with holes bigger than the black one that hit Siberia in our defence and hands which couldn’t catch a cold has to stop. So a few embarrassing losses might call an abrupt end to this ridiculous style of rugby we seem to have adopted.
    The only player who looked to me like he meant business out there on Saturday was Marcel Coetzee, who seems to throw body, mind and soul into every single performance on the field. It’s a mindset the others could and should learn from. That kid is dynamite. He embodies what the Sharks should be all about – passion. Pure and simple.
    Let me at ‘em with my feather boa and I’ll show em what passion is all about! :mrgreen: Coz sure as hell that’s what we need more than anything. Some good old fashioned fire in the belly. :cool:

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.04.12 16:50:15 by Shaz Reply
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  • @Shaz (Comment 71) : i think you are a bit hard on the players – for lack of passion. Most of them went into the game with passion

    However you are quite right about 15 separate players doing a very poor impression of a team

    The main problem is that the Sharks cannot build pressure on the other team without loosing possession through lost line outs, handling errors, ball stolen at a ruck, penalty or poor decision such as kicking the ball away aimlessly.

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.04.12 17:15:13 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Shaz (Comment 71) : I think the players are confused… I think they probably do have the passion, but they’re lacking coaching and leadership.

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.04.12 17:17:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 72) : what is that? I say a lack of mental strength… “white line fever”. The guys get into scoring positions then start to panic and forget their basics. Need to be able to focus even more keenly in those situations, but I feel they’re not being taught those skills.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.04.12 17:22:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • i think you are right = they seem to panic whenever they get into the 22

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.04.12 17:25:59 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : Is this something that can be taught? Personally I think it’s something that comes from within, and from strong leadership rather than tutorage. Mentorship, perhaps, can stimulate it. But consider this: we had the same coaching team when we won the Currie Cup final in decisive fashion in 2010. What has changed (apart from the line-up) – the key players are still there. ???

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.04.12 17:33:36 by Shaz Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 75) : now we figured that one out in about 5 minutes…. yet 4 years after Plumtree fired the mental coach, he still hasn’t spotted it.

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.04.12 17:36:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Shaz (Comment 76) : no doll… a definite misconception (but don’t worry, a lot of other, including Plum, also seem to believe it can’t be taught).

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.04.12 17:41:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • plum could also do with a skills coach

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.04.12 17:45:39 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 79) : and a defence coach…

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.04.12 17:47:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 80) :
    A coaching coach?

    Or do we just need a brand-new couch?

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.04.12 18:10:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 81) : mental coaches probably come with couches :smile:

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.04.12 18:18:32 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 1) : Yes they do, Plumtree asked every player in the squad who they wanted as captain and the majority was for Keegan. He is well respected and well like in the team but he is not a leader. That was a big mistake made by Plum in appointing him as captain.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.04.12 19:03:26 by lostfish Reply
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  • The fact that we do not run lines on attack shows we lack coaching

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.04.12 19:26:29 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • We can all say Keegan isn’t the right man to be captain (and I’d probably agree) but who should replace him? There is a distinct lack of leader material in this team…

    I can only point to Lambie as “true” captain material. You can just see he oozes it.

    Other than that, the cupboard seems bare. I mean, c’mon, Bismarck is vice :shock:

    As for the coaching, we are way too one-dimensional. No skills, no proper defence. The coaching (or rather the lack of it) very clearly is a big problem.

    And now that our forwards are being dominated and outmuscled (Plumtree’s main area) it is clear Plumtree has lost the team.

    Time for a BIG change. We must not stand by and accept this mediocrity any longer. Use your voices.

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.04.12 19:32:50 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 85) : Couldn’t agree more!

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.04.12 20:31:00 by Ben Reply

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  • We lack mental strength. You need a special coach for that. Now why do I get the idea this is not a new earth shattering observation?

    What really concerned me is that in the last two games(at least the last 2 ) various commentators have mentioned that the Sharks look tired, sometimes as soon as after 20 minutes!!!!

    Boy oh boy then we need a specialist fitness coach as in yesterday.

    Marcel Coetzee, along with Lambie are our two most valuable players at this stage and they cannot imo go too much wrong in appointing Lambie as Captain with Coetzee vice Captain.

    I agree that Super rugby 2012 can be written off, so make those changes with the eye on the future.

    I think Plumtree should go, he had too much time now going nowhere with a potentially champion side.

    And for Pete’s sake, stop moving Lambie to full back!!!!

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.04.12 21:36:14 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • I just want to say how much better the Sharks looked when Marcel Coetzee came on the park. Both Albert’s and Deysel have been played into the ground by our coaches and the way the Sharks like to play. Let’s not do this to our 3rd large ball carrying tackle breaking/making loose forward. The Sharks need to either utilise other forwards as much thereby spreading the work load or they need to adopt another game plan .The difficulty with the first option (spreading the workload)is you end up with too many players focusing on the same aspect of the game (and neglecting other aspects as a result),players inevitably get in the way of each other .

    Other issues ;

    Consistency from season to season of players; Not letting players piss of to Europe when the first large pay cheque roles their way .How do the bulls manage to keep most of their players?

    Back youth structures before importing. Let players develop , I feel a guy like Bresler has huge potential but will be tossed aside as soon as we can recruit Mostert or someone.

    Tighten up on basics ;this includes game plan ,technique ,set piece** and understanding of structures. Develop a plan a ,b and c based on scenarios .

    Coaching staff need to acknowledge their short comings as coaches and mend them however they can ,even if it means hiring specialists.

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.04.12 22:10:26 by Talent Reply
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  • Poor Keegan Daniel ,leads by example like a Spartan, give him a break. Certain Sharks players should find humility somehow and ingest it, add to their arsenal so to speak, not only being world beaters but also a player that can be relied on to put his head down and follow orders voraciously ,like a true team man. Maybe the issue isn’t the captain but his team mates and I think no matter who is captain the guys will act the same.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.04.12 22:20:10 by Talent Reply
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  • I want to see more uniformity in the Sharks game. I want to dominate territory and possession .This season and seasons past the Sharks have been known for our counter attacking ability –that’s not good enough, we leave too much up to the role of a dice. If we have 60-70 percent territory and 60-70 percent possession in as many games as we can that’s good enough for me because that means teams will be rolling the dice for themselves, even if we lose probability says we will come right eventually.

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.04.12 22:36:36 by Talent Reply
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  • I know 60-70 percent territory and possession is ambitious but it’s what we need to aim at. Protecting the ball, carrying the ball properly, clever tactical kicks and effective chasing of those kicks, accurate set piece and carefully constructed phase play should be the bread and butter of our rugby.

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.04.12 22:39:00 by Talent Reply
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  • lastly our tackle efficiency needs to be higher ,error rate lower (especially in our own half) .

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.04.12 22:41:18 by Talent Reply
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  • I can for the life of me not remember where I read it, but someone pointed out that Piet-Steph du Toit has the makings of not only a great player, but a great leader! A Victor Matfield type. From the little I have seen of him, I can’t help but agree.
    I absolutely love the flair Paul Jordaan brings, reminds me of a time when the Sharks had the guts to give youngsters a shot, back in ’06/7, when a kid named Frans Steyn set the world alight!
    I enjoy watching Cobus Reinach play, I can’t quite put my finger on it, but he has something, raw and fragile still, but it is there.
    Tera Mtembu, under a coach like Jake White/Heyneke Meyer he could’ve been a Bok by year end, under Plum, I fear he may never reach that potential!

    My oppinions mostly, but I feel these 4 should at least be on the bench now, or starting XV in one, maybe two cases. They are the future, we should grow and invest in that future now instead of wasting their best years on SWD, Border and EP for heavens’ sake

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.04.12 22:51:04 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • “As one of the other authors said to me this morning, the feeling of seeing something you love in so much trouble, yet feeling completely powerless to do anything about it, is a terrible one.”

    Robd I feel for you and fellow Sharks supporters …what was said above is how me and many other Lions fans have been feeling for years !.. and finally the end is near now …I look forward to being put out of my Lions misery.

    As for you guys it may seem all downhill from here but the Sharks will come right. I doubt very much that the Union is run and coached as dire as the Lions have been.

    There is always next season and F Steyn will be there to bring some hope.

  • Comment 94, posted at 24.04.12 08:18:06 by csb Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 87) : I personally think the tiredness has nothing to do with fitness. It has to do with playing 9 S15 games on the trot, also we travelled during that time too.

    Bulls get their 2nd bye this weekend and I think Stormers get their 2nd bye next weekend. Sharks are only getting their first bye this weekend. Some may say it don’t matter, but it does especially that we have travelled during that time as well.

  • Comment 95, posted at 24.04.12 08:39:17 by Puma Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 93) : Agree with you, we have to give the youngsters a chance. Sharks will never know really what we have until we do.

    We gave them a chance in 2006/7 and we topped the S14 log in 2007 because of our youngsters.

  • Comment 96, posted at 24.04.12 08:41:30 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 95) : ha! You’re honestly pulling out the ‘it’s not fair’ card? I’m shaking my head at this point.

    Let me guess, there’s a wider SANZAR conspiracy against the Sharks, isn’t there? That’s wHy we’ve never won Super Rugby. The only question is, ‘how high does this thing go’? :)

  • Comment 97, posted at 24.04.12 08:41:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) :

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 24.04.12 08:44:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I have a confession to make – It has been a long long long time since I have been confident that the Sharks will win a game, even when playing against minnow teams or teams who are bottom of the table.

  • Comment 99, posted at 24.04.12 08:46:47 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 95) : So if you attribute losing to travel and fatigue, then how do you explain the losses at the beginning of the competition?

  • Comment 100, posted at 24.04.12 08:48:15 by lostfish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : No Rob read again where did I say it isn’t fair.. :roll:

    I was merely just pointing out that we have not had our bye when actually most teams have are about to have two byes. Just saying that IS the reason for our tirednes, BUT not the reason we making all the mistakes. Sure it can be a very small reason but not enough for us to be losing the way we are, just that if you have played that amount of games players are bound to be feeling fatigued. ;-)

  • Comment 101, posted at 24.04.12 08:53:22 by Puma Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 100) : most of the guys travelled on holiday during the off-season. Also, there was that trip down to PE in pre-season. That must have finished the poor okes.

  • Comment 102, posted at 24.04.12 08:53:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 101) : Ok, get you now but I honestly feel that the culture of blaming external factors and making excuses for poor performance has to stop… and that one really DOES go straight to the top.

    I swear, we should start to compile a compendium of Plumtree excuses. That way we can track whether he’s actually coming up with original ones each season, or just rehashing the same ones each year.

  • Comment 103, posted at 24.04.12 08:55:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : And there is obviously no conspiracy against the Sharks. We just unlucky once again with our draw this season. ;-)

  • Comment 104, posted at 24.04.12 08:55:49 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 101) : I think Robs on a mission to get personal and alienate his older customers. :twisted:

  • Comment 105, posted at 24.04.12 08:59:49 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : Rob,

    I don’t even feel anger when we lose now to be honest, just saddness really to see a team with such talent just not making it.

    Something not right mate, but our biggest problem lays with our captain. As I have said on another thread here, Keegan is a damn fine player, but not a captain. We need to start right there and change our captain. I think Plum is struggling right now too. He really should bring in all the help he can get. Why don’t we have a defence coach? Speak to the Bulls to get Victor to help us with the lineouts. Get that eye coach Cheryl Calder. Will help with some of our handling errors I think. Although I heard Jake has her working at the Brumbies.

    Really have no answers why we not playing winning rugby, with the players we have. So probably the problem does lay with the Coach and if so like I said he should right now try and surround himself with the best.

  • Comment 106, posted at 24.04.12 09:03:02 by Puma Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 105) : I don’t think that’s true at all, but I’ll apologise unreservedly to you and to Puma if that’s how you feel.

    I’m feeling just as lost, angry and frustrated as the rest of us, Salmo.

  • Comment 107, posted at 24.04.12 09:05:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • Our season looks gone and lost, so why not give the youngsters a chance? Jordaan and PSDT let them both start.

    Alberts too is struggling and it is not just what we all think it is glaring that he is struggling. Deysel should start against the Landers.

  • Comment 108, posted at 24.04.12 09:06:03 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 108) : talk that Alberts is injured again… but that may just be sloppy journalism from the Keo boys. I’m trying to get the facts.

  • Comment 109, posted at 24.04.12 09:09:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 105) :Lucky I am calm and understanding person……….hahahahaha. :smile:

    Honest I just think Rob is just feeling the frustration of us losing games we should be winning. Think WE are all feeling the same buddy.

    If we all having a go at each other here cause of it can you imagine the frustration of the players right now? It has to be worse. No team that keeps losing has a brotherhood kinda feeling going. Only winning teams bring that togetherness. So hope our boys can put the losing aside and stick together no matter what through this time.

  • Comment 110, posted at 24.04.12 09:13:48 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 107) : Just pulling your leg Rob, note the :twisted: .

  • Comment 111, posted at 24.04.12 09:15:36 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : He just not playing anywhere near what he produced last year.

    It could be still that shoulder Rob and with the Bok selection coming up he could be worried about it, trying to protect the injury. Who knows but it could be. Deysel should start against the Landers. Then where for Botes? As Marcell has cemented a start everytime in the team. Really enjoyed Botes in the team this week and would have him starting again. Then that would mean Keegan, Marcell and Botes. Or Marcell, Deysel and Botes. What you think? Which loose trio would you start against the Landers.

  • Comment 112, posted at 24.04.12 09:18:02 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 110) : I know the frustration, we could have actually won all the games, Ive seen, that we lost. We should have taken the Bulls at Loftus and we were better than the Stormers at Newlands and we should have buried the Chiefs last weekend.

  • Comment 113, posted at 24.04.12 09:19:15 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 113) : I know we should have won all those games, add the Tahs game to that too.

    It is very frustrating losing games that we should have won. Eventually one just has this sad feeling as the frustration just goes.

  • Comment 114, posted at 24.04.12 09:47:05 by Puma Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 111) : I’m starting to run out of legs mate :)

  • Comment 115, posted at 24.04.12 10:01:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) : Serious days these, fighting in the trenches.

  • Comment 116, posted at 24.04.12 11:35:34 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 92) : I liked all the above input from you.

  • Comment 117, posted at 24.04.12 14:43:10 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 91) : We had that much possession against the Hurricanes, but did buggerall with it. We simply have NO idea how to create tries, except from turnovers or driving malls. When is the last time a Sharks set move led to a try? Yet we see this week in and week out from the other franchises.

  • Comment 118, posted at 24.04.12 16:01:36 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 118) : Would not call the Stormers a try-scoring machine either though. At this point

    Team – Matches – Tries – Average per match
    Sharks – 9 – 21 – 2.333
    Bulls – 8 – 28 – 3.5
    Stormers – 8 – 14 – 1.75
    Cheetahs – 8 – 19 – 2.375
    Lions – 8 – 10 – 1.25

  • Comment 119, posted at 24.04.12 16:20:24 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Sorry – Lions played 7 games – so avg = 1.42

  • Comment 120, posted at 24.04.12 16:27:48 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 119) : I wasn´t only talking about SA franchises.

  • Comment 121, posted at 24.04.12 16:54:38 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 119) : @rhineshark (Comment 118) : the only saffa teams to blitz through backline set piece moves are the cheetahs & the lions ONLY!

    did you see the brumbies’ 2nd try? WHOA!!!! that was sublime, all of morne, wynand & engelbrecht converged on mcCabe as Leali’ifano collected the loop pass and ran into a space you could fit a BUS in in! that you will NEVER see from the Sharks! :evil:

  • Comment 122, posted at 24.04.12 17:37:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 121) : Bulls share top try scoring spot with Canes – 28 in 8 games, Brumbies at 21 in 8 games

  • Comment 123, posted at 24.04.12 18:12:28 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 122) : I thought the Saders try from the scrum on their 10 m line was sublime.

  • Comment 124, posted at 24.04.12 18:13:38 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Brumbies have Steven Larkham as backline coach, Sharks have Grant Bashford

  • Comment 125, posted at 24.04.12 18:21:25 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring: i saw that one too, tom taylor inside pass to a flying guilford & boom…reminded me of last year’s game @ twickenham where the saders pulled 3 of those set plays & bamboozled jlp, bosman & oupa terblanche haahaahaha!

    The Pom commentators couldn’t close their mouths!! :shock:

  • Comment 126, posted at 24.04.12 18:49:24 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 126) : Hey no need to be rude – it always bites you in the bum :evil:

    We will wait and see when the Saders carve up the Lion Kings next year

  • Comment 127, posted at 25.04.12 08:08:15 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 126) : That was one of the most impressive 10 minutes of rugby I have ever seen. Even though it was against us, I couldn’t help saying over and over how bloody awesome it was. Structured annialation is the only term I can think of to describe it.

  • Comment 128, posted at 25.04.12 09:06:46 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 128) : :smile:

  • Comment 129, posted at 25.04.12 09:49:20 by Megatron Reply

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