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Sharks player ratings v Chiefs


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Apr 2012 at 08:00
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The Sharks slumped to a 12-18 defeat at the hands of the Chiefs on Saturday, in the process recording their first home loss of a campaign that now appears all-but extinguished. Let’s rate the individuals involved.

1) Dale Chadwick. Held up his end in a forward pack that appeared to have the upper hand, even though this could not be converted into scoreboard dominance. Scrummed and tackled well. 6/10
2) Bismarck du Plessis. Full of fire and brimstone, but the dual demons of shoddy lineout work and poor decision on attack conspired to lose the Sharks lots of ball. 5/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. Solid at scrum time, but offered little else, with low work-rate a concern. 4/10
4) Steven Sykes. Solid defensively and was one of the few forwards to shine with ball in hand. 7/10
5) Anton Bresler. Put in a huge amount of work on defence and kept the Chiefs under pressure with countless physical hits. 7/10
6) Jacques Botes. Worked hard enough for two people and was present at every breakdown, performing the open-side role with distinction. 8/10
7) Willem Alberts. Looks a shadow of the player he was last year and the number of tackles he’s missing each week makes one wonder if he’s really over his shoulder injury. Now regularly gets knocked back in the tackle too. 4/10
8) Keegan Daniel. Poor options as captain and retains a penchant for overly-risky play, particularly when the situation cannot justify such an approach. A key figure in terms of continuity and keeping the ball alive, though. 5/10

9) Charl McLeod. An error-strewn display. The backs were woeful on the day and it started with McLeod. 4/10
10) Pat Lambie. A solid showing from the flyhalf, who kicked well at posts, in particular and was solid on defence. Made a few good breaks too. 7/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. Put in one or two nice runs, but was used far too sparingly on a day when he appeared to have the better of his opposite number. 5/10
12) Tim Whitehead. Not his best game and one wonders how much of effect the injury he carried into the week must have had on his preparation and his performance. Timmy struggled with the greasy ball and his distribution was sub-par. That said, the defensive work that contained the Sonny Bill threat was exemplary and may just have provided a blueprint for other teams to follow. 6/10
13) JP Pietersen. Looked like a guy playing out of position and struggling to understand his role, particularly on defence, where he has a very poor day. Dodgy handling inside him conspired to ensure he received no attacking ball worth mentioning. 4/10
14) Louis Ludik. A good performance under the circumstances, even though he spent most of his day covering for Riaan Viljoen’s disastrous play at fullback. Offers very little on attack, but safe as houses defensively with some big hits made on the day. 6/10
15) Riaan Viljoen. Inconsistency has always been the main reason that Viljoen has failed to rise to the top of the pile and that has again been evident, with an unacceptably high error count making him a liability to the team. On this sort of performance, he cannot be picked at fullback ahead of Ludik, or even Gouws Prinsloo. 3/10

16) Craig Burden. Not on long enough to be rated, but did a few good things.
17) Wiehahn Herbst. Performed his basics well and was strong on defence. 6/10
18) Pieter-Steph du Toit. Not on long enough to be rated, but took a good lineout ball and made a decent charge.
19) Jean Deysel. Unused. What was the point of that?
20) Marcell Coetzee. A brave, strong showing from a young man whose will to win shines out in this team, where so many other seem prepared to accept mediocrity. Work rate is unsurpassed. 7/10
21) Meyer Bosman. Struggled with the wet ball, but made every tackle he was asked to, including one on Sonny Bill that may just have erased a few of his worse memories from Twickenham. 5/10
22) Fred Michalak. Not on long enough for a rating, which is a kindness to him. Brought on at the wrong time and in the wrong position, his introduction disrupted what little rhythm the Sharks had at that point.



108 Comments

  • Agree with the scores!

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.04.12 08:13:35 by GreatSharksays Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : then my work is done :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.04.12 08:14:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • What is going on with Riaan Viljoen…? He looks not even half the player he used to be, the only problem is, who else do we turn to, Prinsloo is not having the best of times and Ludik only offers a defensive game and has not got a good kicking game(Odwa?)! JP needs to be shifted back to wing. I know all of us wants players to be dropped , but for those who watched the Vodacom cup games , there is not to many Sharks except Beast and Cooper that has shown that they can make the step up based on the last couple of games.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.04.12 08:21:28 by morne1 Reply

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  • I would give Lambie a 6.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.04.12 08:22:28 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Would give both locks 6 – they are not entirely without fault for the poor line-out (and not competing towards the end of the game). That said I was very impressed by Sykes overall – great support play in the “almost” breakout run

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.04.12 08:22:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ja Sykes is doing good.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.04.12 08:24:04 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Probably would have made more sense to start Deysel than Alberts. There is definitively something wrong with the big man – seems like he is playing with an injury

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.04.12 08:24:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Charl Mcloed worst skills for a scrumhalf in Super 15

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.04.12 08:25:26 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • To think about it I would give Lambie a 5.He has been a ordinary 10 this whole season.Probably because the team is struggling.

    He must up his game if he wants to be a bok this year,look at all our options at 10.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.04.12 08:28:53 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    Plum felt Botes and Daniel were troubling the Chiefs at the breakdown, so instead of losing even more ball, kept Deysel off.

    Alberts definitely not over his shoulder injury, thus the half time substitution..

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.04.12 08:29:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : Then rather start with Deysel and keep Alberts on the bench.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.04.12 08:33:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 11) :

    Well, the coach didn’t exactly know they were going to be as effective..

    So kudo’s for not making the sub just for the heck of it..

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.04.12 08:37:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • No – I mean if Alberts is still carrying an injury he should not have started in the first place. Deysel can fill in for Alberts without loosing too much – a fit Deysel is as least as good as a seemingly injured Alberts.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.04.12 08:42:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 9) : I actually thought Lambie had a great game. He’s kicking was accurate, he was maybe the only player who didn’t pass badly on the day even though he never got decent balls himself, he was calm on attack and executed the right decisions at the right times. He broke the line a few times and got us over the advantage line, with a few of his other runs. I don’t think he made one error – with the exception of the one penalty to touch that I think he missed, and his kicking was accurate, out of hand and for posts. What more do you want from a flyhalf.

    You can’t expect much more when both players next to him was playing some of the worse we have ever seen them both play.

    I like Charl and I think he did a good job there so far, but I think it is time that the Sharks found themselves a scrumhalf of a higher standard. I don’t think Charl has what it takes to play at this level. His error rate under pressure is much to high.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.04.12 08:43:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • Bosman 4/10 for having absolutely no BMT when it counts.
    Fred 2/10 for the short duration he was on the field.
    Lambie 6
    JP 3
    Am i being harsh, yes… but enough’s enough. :roll:

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.04.12 08:46:13 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 13) :

    Yes, agreed, sorry, I missed your point completely..

    Even a half fit Deysel is better than Alberts at the moment, he is horribly off form..

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.04.12 08:50:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 14) :

    Agree re McLeod I think he is excellent to have on the bench and can up the pace of the game and bring attacking impetus when he comes on, but I’m not sure he really should be starting. But the problem is there aint much other options – think we need to buy somebody – maybe shouldnt have let Ross Cronje go.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.04.12 09:17:57 by Pat Reply

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  • You guys are being kind to Pat. Yes his goal kicking redeemed him somewhat but his first half was strewn with poor play, lots of it in the oppositions 22. Not his best game by a long shot.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.04.12 09:35:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 18) :

    Kinda have to agree with you there..

    Pat was not at his best in the first half, he did improve throughout though..

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.04.12 09:39:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Very generous with these scores.

    I propose a 0 for all of them except Keegan and Bosman who should score a minus point.

    Bresler could`ve had 1 or 2 but then he somehow forgot to compete in the lineout, his primary responsibility, so zero it is for him as well.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.04.12 09:50:51 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I see Bob Skinstad has been forced to apologise for his ‘coconut’ tackle statement, in opining his view of that tackle on Mvovo. Apparently its an offensive term to Pacific Islanders!
    Its Kiwi rugby at its best isn’t it; deflect attention away from the disgusting tackle which received neither a white card, a yellow card nor heaven forbid a red card for a New Zealander! The Sharks didn’t even get a penalty! Instead lets make it about the commentator. It would be hilarious were it not so tragic.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.04.12 09:52:56 by neilster Reply

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  • A bit generous with the points there Rob, but the distribution is fair

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.04.12 09:55:08 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 21) :

    Head on over to the rules of this site please, which you will find here:

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/the-rules/

    No need to take this point any further than what you have already mentioned..

    In future, please keep to the topic, or if you want something published that you find interesting, mail any of the authors to get the story up.

    Thank you kindly..

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.04.12 09:59:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I do apologise, however pls point out which rule have i contravened by way of my statement above? Bear in mind that I’m discussing the fact that no citings have taken place which IMO is unacceptable.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.04.12 10:11:28 by neilster Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 24) :

    Your first paragraph has nothing to do with rugby, so leave it out..

    If you had led with the fact no citing has taken place (which I agree with you, is in poor taste, as it was a Butch James type tackle that would have seen him receive a Red card for that), it would have been a fair comment..

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.04.12 10:18:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 24) : the issue here is that we don’t discuss matters of race and racism – at all. There is no exception.

    While I feel your comment was innocent enough, once the fire has been lit, there’s no putting it out.

    Please mail us if you need further clarification.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.04.12 10:24:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yeah ok, my comment was about double standards, which required the Skinstad incident to flesh out. But I understand your take on it, point taken.

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.04.12 10:28:05 by neilster Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : What about amphibians? :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.04.12 10:29:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 27) :

    Thanks dude..

    As Rob says, people don’t need a second invitation to run with it.

    Your point regarding the citing is a valid one.. The fact that the ref allowed play to continue with not one but two players down and looking out cold, is ridiculous!

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.04.12 10:29:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • In other news. From News 24.

    Wallabies utility back James O’Connor has a lacerated liver and faces a six-week layoff that threatens his availability for mid-year Tests against Wales and Scotland.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.04.12 10:35:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 28) : they’re all green, so doesn’t apply :)

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.04.12 10:36:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 30) :

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2012/04/23/oconnor-out-until-super-rugby-break/

    ;-)

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.04.12 10:37:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Probably a bit generous Rob, but I’d still take it.

    Dismal performance.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.04.12 10:40:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 32) : :oops:

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.04.12 10:41:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : those things that grow on palm trees start off green as well.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.04.12 10:41:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) : I’d disqualify on the grounds of relevance :)

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.04.12 10:45:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hertford Highlander: “The Chiefs deserve to be top of the log.

    Why?

    Well for starters they use the ball and don’t rely on an aging whistle blower to eventually see it their way and reward them a penalty for something few understand, let alone actually see.

    ‘Sealing it off’ Penalty! ‘Not supporting your body weight’ Penalty! ‘Squeeze Ball’ Penalty!”

    interesting that the sharks couldn’t get over the whitewash and relied on the inexperienced referee to award them point scoring opportunities.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.04.12 11:03:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • Accurate ratings in my opinion:
    1. a lot of the backline shortcomings were due to McLeod running 5m before each pass – extra pressure on outer backs
    2. Bismarck is immensely physically talented, needs to play smart though (ie work on offloads and passing)
    3. Keegans 5/10 reflects poor captaincy decisions, otherwise a 6/10 for me.
    4. MOST IMPORTANT – TAKE NOTE WHICH LOOSE FORWARDS ARE SHINING THIS SEASON – the smart, multi dimensional players like Daniel, Coetzee. Botes highlighted his credentials as well!!! All 3 are excellent on defense and offer something more than STAMP CAR on attack. RSA must start to realize size isn’t everything anymore.

    I would use Alberts/Deysel as impact players. (imagine a tired defense tackling these big boys after trying to catch Daniel, Coetzee, Botes and Kankowski)

    5. Viljoen lacks composure which is NB at this level. He blows hot and cold. A more steady Ludik would be better. Good on defense, decent boot and WONT HAVE MULTIPLE BRAIN EXPLOSIONS!!

    1. Chadwick (until Beast returns)
    2. Bismarck (no loss in playing Burden though)
    3. Jannie (give Herbst more game)
    4. Sykes (much improved)
    5. Bresler (until Skeate returns)
    6. Botes (massive work rate, intelligent on attack)
    7. Coetzee
    8. Daniel (loose trio will change when Kanko returns; smarter captaincy)
    9. McLeod (give Hoffman a run)
    10. Lambie (is class. will be incredible with good service inside)
    11. Mvovo
    12. Bosman (played well when given match time, needs fair go)
    13. Whitehead (best back with Lambie)
    14. Pietersen
    15. Ludik

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.04.12 11:08:50 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 38) : hi – thanks for some incredibly thought-provoking and sensible commentary.

    Is this your first post here?

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.04.12 11:13:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 38) :

    Good team that, and I do agree with your points.

    Thank you for sharing, and welcome to the site by the way!

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.04.12 11:15:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • :twisted: I am with Neilster on the double standards in rugby. I have already posted my views that NZ rugby referees are the worst in the world and this week-end proved it again. The Canes / Saders game looked like a basketball game at times.
    Yet, it was an SA ref who made the call not to cite on Saturday! This follows after the Highlander’s boxing match 2 weeks ago. Are our refs intimidated by SANZAR?? Why would the AR hold out his flag for a trampling offence and then make such a weak decision??

    Anyway, the Sharks showed that they do not care to compete for the cup. The fact that they know that the ball is slippery (and it is their home ground,) they should know how to hold onto the ball.
    There is no flair and no attacking structure. When they focus on defence, they forget attack and vice versa. Attack is about playing for one another, placing yourself in space and following up!! We flop the ball on the ground.

    The hype about the conditioning was just…hype! Buffing up in gym is not fitness. We are outplayed in the final minutes in our games???

    There are no more excuses. This team and management has used them all, from traveling to depth. They scrapped through every week on a new one. Nothing left. Nada!!

    The worst is to see that the Vodacom team has the same ailment. If anybody watched the Pampas in action and you compare them to the Sharks!??? The beast could not get his binding right!! Prinsloo and the flyhalf were like headless chickens!!!

    This proved to me that the complete structure needs to be reworked as it is less than average. :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.04.12 11:17:46 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 38) :
    Agree with most of what you say, particularly Mcleod’s negative impact on the backline.

    JP didn’t have a great game, but its his first bad game at 13 yet – let’s give him a few more chances.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.04.12 11:27:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : I see you have nothing to say about how our headless chicken Sharks XV B team managed to beat your mighty Super rugby wannabee `Kings`. :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.04.12 11:29:01 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : yeah im the new guy…thanks!! and I like the fact your ratings are based on good rugby knowledge. Another true fact is that Plum must the blame for some key selections and selections. Remove Fred he hasn’t stepped up all season. And give Bosman, Joubert, Jordaan, Hoffman, maybe Prinsloo (only heard about him so cant judge) opportunities. Coaches need to step up. If after 9 weeks, we still havnt put a single 80min performance, who do we blame?? what do you think?

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.04.12 11:30:56 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 18) : I agree.

    Always a few guys that people will excuse in the sharks team.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.04.12 12:05:45 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 43) : you mean the sharks xv that was supposed to win by 20+ points? :lol:

    well done to them.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.04.12 12:16:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : Well they won by 10 and that was after only playing for 20 minutes.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.04.12 12:22:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • See Sportsbet have The Bye favourites by 4 against us this saturday . . . :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.04.12 12:24:05 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : So you think the `Kings` did really well in not losing by 20 points to a pretty average Sharks Vodacom side? :lol:

    Your positive outlook is going to serve you well if they ever compete in Super rugby. ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.04.12 12:25:15 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 41) : 100%, they should be using the humidity to their advantage. I mean you train in it all the time, plenty of opportunity to adapt your technique accordingly.

    For eg;

    Never carry the ball under you arm, always carry in two hands. This negates the fend, but what use is the fend and/or offload when you lose the ball.
    If you keep possession for long enough the opposition will make mistakes, you don’t need to look for the 50/50 passes after 3 phases at the beginning of a game.
    I still think back to Keegan’s comments after the Hurricanes game where he bemoaned a lack of x-factor as the reason for loss…I was stunned by it, its the basics that need to be done better.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.04.12 12:32:33 by neilster Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 49) : where did you read that? :razz:

    5 knock-ons or so is the space of 10 minutes, all in the oppositions 22? go figure

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.04.12 12:35:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 51) : Kind of like McLeod knocking on in the opponent´s 22 and not scoring what could have been a match winning try under the sticks?

    Face it, both our teams were KAK on the day and lost to opponents that were not exactly playing firebrand rugby.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.04.12 12:43:16 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 52) : so this is where you were going :D

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.04.12 12:53:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : @Big Fish (Comment 42) : @Big Fish (Comment 42) : just want clear my opinion on JP!!!
    i think he has done very well at 13, apart from Sat so no problem there. But i still believe he is the best wing in the country so why waste that??!! Great defender, great pace and great footwork. Not to mention great finisher (when ball gets to him)
    I believe having him on the wing will be gr8 for our finishing…

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.04.12 13:00:38 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 53) : Yebo. :razz:

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.04.12 13:40:09 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 54) : I believe that JP has a problem with his front-on tackling technique – he goes in too high and grabs at the player and very often just gets brushed away. He is a very good side-on tackler as he has shown in 2007 world cup.

    What bugs me about the Sharks is that he has had this habit from day one, and it does not seem that anything is being done about it.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.04.12 13:53:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 56) : Always bothered me too but if it wasn’t addressed by even the Bok coaching staff then maybe it’s not as huge an issue as we think it is?

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.04.12 13:59:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Bok coaching staff of last four years? :roll:

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.04.12 14:03:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 57) : It is less of an issue for a wing – bigger issue for a 13

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.04.12 14:05:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 58) : Remember that JPP was coached under Jake too! A coach who placed great value in defence.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.04.12 14:07:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 59) : An international wing though?

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.04.12 14:08:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I hear you guys on JP’s tackling technique. He does go in guy and wrestles guys into uncomfortable positions.

    This often results in steals or slow ball, but can also be brushed off.

    In the lead up to this game I expressed concern about this: JP is not just deceptively quick, he is also deceptively strong. That strength was enough, despite the high tackling, against normal centres, but I thought the big Chiefs centres might expose him.

    As it was, it wasn’t the centres, but the forwards who got passed him mostly, but the point stands.

    I’m sure he would have learnt from it though.

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.04.12 14:09:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Eating and typing… :oops:

    Guy should be high, and passed should be past.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.04.12 14:13:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • It is showing in missing tackles – tackles made % in games he played:
    60 67 93 82 71 86 55
    compared to Whitehead:
    89 93 82 86 86 100 86 80

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.04.12 14:14:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 63) : He does go in guy and wrestles guys into uncomfortable positions.

    Don´t worry. Easy typos to make if one lives in Cape Town. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.04.12 15:06:48 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Spot on Rob,

    I would have given Keegan a 3. He simply is not a captain. Fine player but not a captain. Cost us dear by not taking the 3 points and rather going for the lineout. Absolutely daft that, have no idea why especially so early in the game when we need points on the board. Crazy. Then when a kick is not on he gives it to Pat to take on the half way line. When we all know it was gonna be too far for Pat to get. There he should have gone for corners for the lineout or given it to Viljoen. Bad, bad decisions by the captain. It cost us the game eventually if you ignore the optunistic try the Chiefs got after the hooter.

    I know many other things cost us, but getting a penalty we just have to take the 3 points. The end result just could have been different.

    We need another captain.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.04.12 15:12:11 by Puma Reply

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  • Okay looking at the ratings again. Also would only have given Bissie a 4. That lineout we took instead of kicking for the 3 points, was a total mess, throwing to the back of the line and all the Chiefs had to do was run and collect it. Felt soooo disappointed in Bissie there. How I miss John for his captaincy, scrumming and throw-ins. He has left a huge gap for sure. Then there were some that questioned him being in the team last year???? Wish he was helping out with the team this year on a consulting basis much like Victor is with the Bulls.

    I wonder if Matfield could do consulting work as a lineout coach for all of our franchises? Much like Braam helped Pat and also Elton at the Lions with kicking? Just a thought, cause we sure as heck need someone to help out with our lineouts.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.04.12 15:19:01 by Puma Reply

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  • @morne1 (Comment 3) : Lambie is our best fb and also our best fh. We don’t have another that is in his class at fh or fb. I personally at this stage would play Odwa there, he is very good under the high ball and good in defence too. Would try him there for our next game if he is over his injury. Probably move JPP back to wing and give Jordaan a start at outside centre.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.04.12 15:24:16 by Puma Reply

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  • Carter won`t be satisfied with his shift to 12 for long.

    If we take the money we save if we don`t have to pay a coaching staff or Michalak, maybe we can afford him?

    He can be player/coach/captain and Lambie move to 15.
    Problem Sorted! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.04.12 15:29:09 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 69) : are you trying to score points with ice :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.04.12 15:54:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 67) : yip, line out should be first priority. Sharks must have one of the worst line outs in the competition

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.04.12 15:54:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 70) : Just trying to get the sharks to score points for a change . . . :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.04.12 15:57:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : agreed and our locks seldom if ever contest at the line outs on oposition ball! it drives me dilly!

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.04.12 15:59:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 70) : LOL!

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.04.12 16:16:17 by Ice Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 67) : john never had bissie’s work-rate and had 0 of bissie’s turnovers won.

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.04.12 16:16:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 21) : Agree totally. It was a disgusting tackle on Mvovo. Have lost a lot of respect for the kiwis really if they trying to deflect away from that thug with his thuggesh tackle on Mvovo. The rugby world over uses that term for that kinda tackle. Anyhow it should have been a red card straight up and a few weeks ban for that. He has got away with it. Only in kiwi land it seems.

    Have lost plenty respect for them after the terrible reffing from Bryce in the wc quarter too.

    What about the stomping on Bresler? That too should have been a straight up yellow card. Only a penalty came from it. The player been question by the ref says he was trying to step over? Yeah right (only in his mind) damn liar.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.04.12 16:19:54 by Puma Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 75) : Enkosi Megs!

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.04.12 16:25:19 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 9) : Don’t agree with you. Lambie had a good game on Saturday only one mistake not finding touch with that penalty. I have seen Morne doing that too and for that matter Carter. It happens.

    Lambie was missed huge against the Canes. If he played there who knows what would have happened as Freddie cost us two very definite tries.

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.04.12 16:26:25 by Puma Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 75) : But he was a better scrummager and definitely better with the throw-ins our lineouts are a mess at the moment. Could be the timing of our jumpers have no idea bit it is a damn mess. We need Matfield as a consultant. We in SA need to use him across the board really.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.04.12 16:28:29 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 79) : Bit = But

    We miss Johns captaincy too Transie. That is a massive loss this year to the Sharks.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.04.12 16:29:16 by Puma Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 14) : Letgo, you are 100% correct with Lambie. He had a very good game on Saturday.

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.04.12 16:30:49 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 79) : Don’t think our coaching staff has any idea either

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.04.12 16:32:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 38) : Have to agree about Bosman. When given game time he was playing well. Now coming off the bench seems off his game.

    Where would you play him though? Tim is having a great S15 though Saturday was not at his best.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.04.12 16:38:07 by Puma Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 82) : For sure.

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.04.12 16:39:03 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 79) : i don’t recall the sharks’ scrum turbo-reversing at any point this year when that was a fixture in past years with john there. john wasn’t throwing to jandre marais or bresler…the worst he had to throw to was hargreaves!

    i’m not saying bissie can’t improve his throwing but john wasn’t perfect and looking backwards won’t help!

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.04.12 16:57:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 85) : I wonder if we’ve yet had the same 2-4-5 combo in successive games… I don’t actually think we have

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.04.12 16:58:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : Therein lies the crux of a lot of our problems. How can we be consistent when we have a tombola-pick of a selection process? It seems to be a case of how many combinations can we actually make out of the players we have, rather than “that’s a great combination, let’s stick with it.”

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.04.12 17:04:04 by Shaz Reply
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  • @Shaz (Comment 87) : agree with you… while we emphasise the need for rotation to keep players fresh, we also need to consider the impact on certain combination – the lineout, the loose trio, the cenres… in fact, it’s only really the front row that has had any opportunity to gel as a combination.

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.04.12 17:14:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • Also thought that Lambie had a good game. Rob, please also score Plum, Bash and Reece Edwards on a weekly basis…2 all around for the past week.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.04.12 19:38:21 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 85) : Yo Megs! When is that article of yours seeing light of day or is this a calculated move to build up anticipation? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.04.12 19:55:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I’d give Lambie a 4.

    That is 4th place in the Bok pecking order.

    Steyn has the kicking and tactical game.
    Jantjes has better distribution skills.
    And Goosen has the complete package.

    Oppose to that The Sharks with Lambie has no 3rd dimension game and their running attack does not scare anybody.

    Move the guy 15 where he plays best. Else we will soon have another Pienaar situation on our hands.

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.04.12 20:32:13 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 91) : And play who exactly at 10 for the Sharks??

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.04.12 21:35:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 92) :

    I’m not so much concerned with who will play 10 than having Lambie play in the position he is best at.

    Michelak, Bosman, who-ever. If you are not going to play a tactical field position game then anybody that can shuffle the ball left or right will do.

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.04.12 21:56:37 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 91) : I agree with u.

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.04.12 22:04:24 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : Well that there is your opinion. In my opinion like quite a few others’ his best position is 10.

    10 is a much more important position than 15. And Lambie is in my view by far the best 10 the Sharks have in their squad and he’s not nearly as bad at it than you make him out to be.

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.04.12 22:06:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 95) :

    10 is very important if you play a tactical 3 dimensional game.
    The Sharks don’t. They play a 2 dimensional game by limiting themselves to the playing surface.

    Very dumb in my opinion.

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.04.12 22:20:25 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 96) : A lot of it or I say most of that has to do with the slow ball the forwards give us and McLeod especially. Any flyhalf strives with that extra second earlier that he can get the ball and surprise the defensive line. I’m afraid that even if Daniel Carter or whoever was our 10 he would struggle.

    I remember a part during the game where we had a ruck and McLeod went and stood over the ball for like 5 seconds. I closed my eyes in disbelief for about 5 seconds and when I opened them he was still standing over the ball deciding who to pass to. The defense had 10 seconds (which is ages in rugby terms) to restructure their defensive line.

    So it doesn’t matter who we have at 10 our problems will stay the same until we can get the problems with position 1-9 sorted out. My point is Lambie can’t be blamed for this. He’s a much better 10 than he is given the chance to show right now.

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.04.12 22:38:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) : And don’t get me wrong. I feel 10 is Lambie’s best position but I also feel he’s a better option at Fullback than Viljoen and Ludik. So until we can get a better 10 than Lambie at the Sharks, 10 is where he should play.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.04.12 22:43:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) :
    Pat is gonna take the flack whenever anybody has an agenda as to who they would like to play at 10.

    Very simplistic to think that Pat has decided to implement the sideways shuffle gameplan that the Sharks employ. Like you point out, the work at 9 is very poor, and SA teams tend to play off the 9 a lot more than the 10.

    Watched the Bulls game at the gym again, as I quite enjoy their rugby. It was palpably clear what a huge gulf in class there is between both their 9′s and ours. Ball was hitting the midriff on almost every pass – not the loopy, inaccurate stuff we are familiar with.

    Still, the thing I enjoy most about Bulls rugby is the intensity and cohesion of their forwards. They run and tackle at full tilt – and they seldom do either alone. I don’t care how strong you are – no single guy is stronger than 2 others.

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.04.12 22:45:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 99) : Exactly. Main reason why Morne Steyn was Bok flyhalf for so long. The forwards always worked their buttocks off and he has had supply from FdP and Francois Hougaard and now even Janno Vermaak. 3 of the best Scrummies SA has seen in the last 8 years imo. Off course he’s goal kicking played a huge role in him being selected but the amount of time he always seems to have to put in those pin point kicks are all down to his forwards and his 9.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.04.12 22:51:34 by Ben Reply
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  • Another good example is Peter Grant (described by many not so long ago as too one dimensional). He had a very good game against the Reds on Friday. I was really impressed with his distrubution to the other backs. He has time on the ball. That’s the thing. His forwards are superior and the supply he’s getting from Duvenhage is flawless.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.04.12 23:03:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) :

    I’m not blaming Lambie either. He is a very good player. I’m critical of the Sharks coaches, their selections and their game-plan. I watch them play with high hopes every week.

    You may take Morne Steyn’s name off the table and I think you’ll find that Lambie will still not be the 1st choice for Bok 10.
    The Sharks’ season is shot. Be concerned with what is best for the player and the Boks.

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.04.12 23:16:15 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 99) :

    I like those two man tackles, holding the player upright to slow the play down. The first time I noticed it was in the Highlanders game at Loftus last year when they missed so many and lost.

    I works better now but they are still letting too many slip and when they fail to slow it down they are caught short out wide like this week. They need some improvements post-haste if they want to stay in contention.

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.04.12 23:22:39 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 91) : If lambie got quick ball and McCloud didn’t run 5 steps before passing Lambie would score a 8-10 every game.

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.04.12 23:42:07 by NoVaseline Reply

     
  • Q: Why does McCloud have a -30 meters ball in hand ?????. A:Cause he runs 2 meters back every pass.

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  • @NoVaseline (Comment 104) : [email protected]NoVaseline (Comment 105) : ohhhh, you and I are on exactly the same page with this problem!

  • Comment 106, posted at 24.04.12 07:52:15 by Ice Reply
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  • Again we seem players with clear deficiencies in basic skills and no improvement. Promising players join the Sharks but you see no growth. Compare that to the Bulls for example – excluding Spies obviously

    Who is to blame – coaching staff or player or both?

  • Comment 107, posted at 24.04.12 07:58:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 89) : I cannot score Bash and Reece because I have no idea what their roles are supposed to be. Thus hard to tell if they’re getting them right or not.

    The coaching team as a whole gets a negative score, for the 48th week in a row.

  • Comment 108, posted at 24.04.12 09:00:27 by robdylan Reply
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