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Sharks scrape through with a D


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 8 May 2012 at 08:07
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While it’s probably fair to say that the Sharks didn’t do much to appease their long-suffering fans this weekend, Saturday’s battling win against the Highlanders has at least bought them a little breathing space and while the side can hardly be said to have passed their latest test with flying colours, we probably do need to acknowledge the progress that has been made.

Let’s face it – the Sharks were really on a hiding to nothing this weekend. The spoils of victory don’t amount to much at all, since all they’ve managed to do is hold on to seventh spot on the log and are still a way away from the play-offs (and several miles behind the conference-leading Bulls and Stormers). With fans baying for blood, anything less than a 50-point win – against a team that had only lost twice in nine outings, it must be said – was always going to be viewed as a failure, with few prepared to give the team all that much credit for gutsing out a win against a side who have so far shown be in far better form.

Where the Sharks did make progress, in short, was in beating a side ahead of them on the log and while not quite overhauling them in the process, at least managing to keep them within touching distance. With Jamie Josephs’ side having lost three key men to campaign-ending injuries in the process, we may even yet look back to the Kings Park tussle as the week when the Highlanders’ unlikely 2012 Super Rugby challenge came to an end and with the Sharks the side best-positioned to capitalise should the Dunedin lads fall out of sixth place, the dream of a play-off place that so many have already let go of, may yet become reality.

Not that an away semi is going to be reward enough, though – a thing which coach John Plumtree himself has acknowledged. The fans watched the Sharks stutter their way to a sixth-place finish in 2011 and the result was nothing more than a week’s stay of execution as the Crusaders and Bryce Lawrence between them handed the side an embarrassing loss in Christchurch. For fans and other stakeholders desperate for progress from a team that has developed and evolved little under Plumtree, stasis is not good enough and while the coach insists that a top-of-conference finish remains the goal, exactly how he is going to get his stuttering team to beat both the Stormers and the Bulls, while remaining unbeaten in four other games too, is something that few can currently predict.

They’ll tell you that the only way to eat an elephant, though, is bite by bite and while the Sharks will know that they simply cannot afford to drop any points from here, the only thing currently in their focus should be the upcoming game against the Force. That’s probably the easiest of the challenges they’ll face over the coming weeks and will make a 4-try win a non-negotiable requirement. Scrums and lineouts were a lot better against the Highlanders and that set-piece dominance, coupled with better defence than we’ve seen of late, could form the platform on which to build such a win, provided the team can be consistent in these areas from week to week, which as been a challenge thus far in 2012. Assuming that the decision to kick everything away was a specific ploy used against the Highlanders, hopefully the Sharks will concentrate on better execution and accuracy with ball in hand this week, in the hope that the pacey and exciting backs may actually be given the opportunity to display some of their skills this weekend.

Time, in other words, to put last week’s disappointing performance behind them, bank the result – and move on to the next challenge



137 Comments

  • Well said Robbo..

    I’ve been giving this kick and chase game plan a lot of thought..

    Do you think that may be the reason they shifted JP back to the wing, in order to better compete when chasing?

    I am just trying to comprehend the inclusion of Paul Jordaan. If they knew it was going to be a kick and chase game, surely Meyer Bosman would have been a better option in midfield, along with Whitehead?

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.05.12 08:16:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Jordaan probably a lot faster than Bosman – so theoretically a better chasing option.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.05.12 08:21:43 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) :

    But Bosman a kicking option, and a lot taller to get under the ball..

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.05.12 08:23:32 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Why the SharkTank is empty in Durban … Because they screw the little supporter … Most expensive seats in the country with the crappiest view :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

    Venue: Coca-Cola Park
    Date: 16 June 2012 17:00
    R350.00 : East Lower
    R325.00 : East Upper
    R250.00 : North Lower
    R175.00 : North Upper

    Venue: Mr Price Kings Park
    Date: 9 June 2012 17:05
    R477 : East Upper

    Venue: Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium
    Date: 23 June 2012 17:00
    R500.00 : Level 2 and Wheelchair Area
    R300.00 : Level 5 and Level 6

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.05.12 08:30:27 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 4) : is that for the test match?

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.05.12 08:38:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Guys, I will be honest. I stripped my moer six love, when I read the article after the game. I rather left, before I said things that could have lead to something ugly.

    Off course we are just fans. But we also need to be realistic. When last did the Sharks play the rugby we are all asking for? Back in 2010. YES – its been two years. Surely by now, we know that things have changed?

    And I understand that we KNOW they can do better. But honestly..??

    What they need now, is our TOTAL support! We know these guys read the site. Do you really think that we as fans are much encouragement to them in the final stretch right now??

    They grind out a bloody win 12 point win in shit conditions, and what do they get?? One big UP YOURS! NOT GOOD ENOUGHS etc etc.

    We tackle the one person they put their faith in week in week out. We grind their Captain, someone they look up too. Is it not time that we put our selfish needs behind us and concentrate on being supporters?

    We all said that we would be happy to give up a shot at the cup if Plum develop the youngsters. He has done so…but has any of us kept OUR side of the deal?

    I don’t think so.

    What I DO know, is that I will not be very encouraged by some fans ons this site if I am a player and I read this.
    Have any of you put yourselves in the coach and players situation? All I am asking is – how would YOU feel, if you were in their shoes and read what sometimes are said here? Encouraged?? I pretty much doubt that.

    You win a game agains “better opposition” instead of a well done boys, you read how shit the win was..geezlikit!?!

    And if I had to choose between an ugly win or a beautiful loss…I certainly know which one I’ll choose.

    Come on people..our team needs us now.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.05.12 08:51:36 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : Ice, I appreciate where you’re coming from on this one, but the feeling from a lot of fans is that the Sharks – as a team – are hardly holding up their side of the bargain.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.05.12 08:59:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) :

    Ice..

    I love the enthusiasm and positive attitude..

    But at this stage of the season, one cannot always have the positive cap on, not after 11 rounds of up and down, inconsistencies.

    If you read my match report, you will see I was positive to the point of acknowledging a win, but as fans we cannot be blamed for wanting the absolute best from our team.

    Rob’s ratings yesterday were fair as well, in terms of giving the slap on the back for a win, but for too long now, these types of victories come almost as too little too late. It was a hollow victory for me personally, as I know the team can do so much better.

    Yes we need to be positive, but there is also a need to be realistic and not just be happy with below par performances (as a team, not individually) Even Plum himself said it was an ugly win..

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.05.12 09:08:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : I agree, for me personally it`s really coming to a head now.

    Look at our teamsheet. We`ve got some great players!
    Why aren`t we at least on a par with the Bulls and Stormers?

    On the positive side, we look set for a good run at home.
    Also didn`t we lose by around 3 points to both the Stormers and the Bulls away?
    If we can pick up the odd bonus point here or there and beat both of them in Durban we still might not finish top of the log but at least it`ll be an improvement on last year.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.05.12 09:09:15 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : @robdylan (Comment 7) : Rob I am with you! Ice I know where you are coming from too, but I am a supporter not a cheerleader. Just an anology, I love my children with all my heart and would die in the trenches for them, however, one thing I simply will not accept from them is mediocrity! and they know it straight up and that is why they are in the top teams at school and their school marks are above average. I help them puah them and I will criticise them if they have not put effort in their endeavours, if they do not achieve top marks but I have seen effort and endevour they know they are safe, its a different story if they have not . That is exactly how I feel about my team, and at the moment all I see is a team happy with mediocrity, happy to just make it into the playoffs in sixth place! Just two years ago 6th place would have been a fail mark! only the top 4 made the play off, with the resources available this is not acceptable. On Saturday, they seemed to be following a kick and chase game plan, only problem with that is that a lot of the time they didn’t even bother to chase the kik putting pressure on the oposition :(

    Also this may be a biased view, but watching the last few games it really does not seem to me that Keegan does really have the respect of the players, they look quite rudderless really. I am still firmly of the opinion that Lambie should be captain.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.05.12 09:14:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I’m with you on that ICE. Look at the stormers, not 1 bonus point victory,they hardly score any tries,yet every one praise them. The boys did what they had too, they won and in the process denied the Highlanders any points.zero. That to me is a job well done. Not pretty, by no means perfect but well done.they took every point on offer. They stuck to a game plan for aa full 80minutes and got the result. Good job boys. Now let’s build on this.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.05.12 09:19:09 by juba_fan Reply

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  • I totally agree with Ice here we asked for the young guys to be given a chance but when that happend and it didn’t go plam we,the supporters, turned our backs on the team and please don’t tell me this is not true, what was sayed the past few weeks on this site you would not be able to tell this is a site for sharks fans if you didn’t look at the name,there was very little support(jy mag dalk nou se ja maar ek het vir hulle geskree) but did you really support them not just on game day(the answer for most of us it will definitly be no)so isn’t it time that we get behind the guys 100 percent ( I was always told that the sarks supporters are like family, yip I did experience that but in recent times that is absent,so isn’t it time the sharks supporters become family again and support the team like a family is supposed too support a family member)

    S lets see what our team can do with total support from the fans, I believe with true support from the fans the sharks can go all the way, you may say I am naive ,but if they can be 7th with very little support from their own fans,what can they do if they have our full support,so come on and put your full support behind the team.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.05.12 09:24:21 by BR Reply

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  • The Sharks are performing below what we all know they are capable of. I for one am not going to fool myself into thinking they are performing at their best. That would be insanity. Doing the same thing expecting a different result.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.05.12 09:25:01 by Quintin Reply

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  • To me it is simple – final responsibility lies with the coaching. Yes – the players can show lack of commitment, but only the coach has the power to do something about that – by dropping players who do not pull their weight.

    The coach selects the strategy and the game plan – the players execute it.

    Again the coaching staff need to identify weaknesses in players skills and have them work on that. If the player does not show commitment to improve, again the coach has the power to drop the player

    At the moment the Sharks mostly look like a bunch of individuals playing rugby, and only in patches do we see cohesive team play. Again the coaches responsibility to resolve this.

    You can throw a bunch of talented players into a back line, but they are not going to be very successful at some set piece moves by themselves.

    Even in individual sports like swimming and athletics coaching is very important – therefore even more so in a team sport like rugby

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.05.12 09:26:45 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Easy one. I am with the Rob faction. The Sharks have to uphold their side of the bargain if they want 100% happy camper fans. They are serving you up half a McDonalds happy meal (50% win ratio) and expecting you to pay full price?

    Uh uh. Come match day I am all decked out in my Sharks jersey and no-one can question my support of the team – but I expect more from them. And all the cheerleaders will feel the same deep down too.

    If one stands back and objectively views this season and the previous 3 you cannot come to any conclusion other than the Sharks have seriously under-delivered on all their vast amounts of annual promise.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.05.12 09:29:20 by siorc Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 11) : if the Sharks had won every game like the Stormers did, I doubt we’d be complaining about a lack of bonus points. Let’s compare apples with apples here… the Stormers are virtually unbeaten and 1 point off the top of the log. The Sharks have lost half their games.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.05.12 09:31:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : Agreed. The coaching is imho where the problems lie. Not the players. It is clearly evident that they are not being coached to the standards of this compo.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.05.12 09:32:13 by Quintin Reply

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  • what makes the bulls supporters such great supporters is the they are so naive most of them believed they will win their next game for the full run of the super 12 that they finish last and I believe that is what got them out of there.

    we as supporters are always looking for someone to blame but shouldn’t we be looking at ourselfes , wich team can really perform without the support of their fans.

    For a captain to know they are getting flack from the supporters is one thing but when it gets to such a extant the he have to atmit it in a post match speech , what does that actually tell you about the team’s supporters

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.05.12 09:36:39 by BR Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 11) : I believe the Stormers won’t win this year – because of lack of bonus points they will most likely end up in 2nd place. The Bulls should give them a good run for 2nd but they probably have a harder road to the playoffs.

    They Crusaders are slowly climbing up the log, and although they still have a couple of tough derbies in Canes and Chiefs I expect either Crusaders or Chiefs to top the log in the end.

    Unless of course the Stormers can start getting bonus points.

    @robdylan (Comment 16) : Stormers are now 3 points from the log leaders

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.05.12 09:41:27 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • I’m worried that everyone thinks the Force team is a walk over…please get that expectation controlled asap. They are a difficult team that has always seen us as a team they can beat. We were in 6′s and 7′s the last time we played them and only escaped because one of their players got a red card. I predict a very close game…

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.05.12 09:42:19 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • We don’t want people to sugar coat things we’re not saying we’re playing good rugby do believe there is a lot of work to be done but we support = to strengthen,to up hold. Our deal was not hey mr plum give the youngsters a chance and win every game. We asked plum to give them the opportunity and that he did. That’s it. I will always fully support and believe I will admit to mistakes, acknowledge short comings and all that blah. But first and foremost I’m a SHARKS SUPPORTER.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.05.12 09:43:29 by juba_fan Reply

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  • yes the team is underperforming and all we do the whole week is criticise and then on match day we all of a sudden we want too support the team .

    Hey the team might only give us 1/2 of our meal but we(or most of us ) only want to pay a 1/7 of the price so what are we complaining about, maybe if we give them our full support we might get the full meal from them.I ask it again what team have performed well without support.

    Wat help dit om n kind wat nie presteer nie ‘paksla’ te gee die eenigste ding wat gaan help is ondersteuning, so hoekom gee ons die sharks ‘paksla’ in plaas van ondersteuning.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.05.12 09:48:55 by BR Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 18) : “we as supporters are always looking for someone to blame but shouldn’t we be looking at ourselfes , wich team can really perform without the support of their fans”

    So let me get this straight – are you seriously suggesting that the reason the Sharks have only won a paltry half of their games is down to… the fans?!…

    :shock: :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.05.12 09:49:56 by siorc Reply

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  • why are the bulls and stormers playing so good is because of the support they are getting, why would the sharks want to perform because their fans will always bitching and moaning, why give your best, as dit net afgekraak gaan word

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.05.12 09:53:51 by BR Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 21) : The problem here is though is that the youngster ARE delivering or at least are trying to! However our seniors i.e. coaching staff are NOT! That is where the beef is! Not the actual players! Therein lies the difference. The Sharks, and in this especially our backline looks really uncoached! We just fortunate that we have really talented players in the team or we would be fighting it out with the Blues and Lions at the bottom end of the log!

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.05.12 09:55:24 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 21) : I also thought the deal was to give the youn ones a run…

    By no means did I say it was a great win, but I’d take that instead than a loss. Deffo not sugar coating anything, in the end again, I appreciate the win more than the display or lack of display of “good” rugby.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.05.12 09:56:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 18) : I remember many Bulls supporters only crawling out of the woodwork only when the team started performing again. All teams have a core of dedicated supporters along with a whole lot of hangers on.

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.05.12 09:57:08 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 24) : No they are getting the support because their teams are performing!

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.05.12 09:57:11 by Ben Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 25) : You have not read the blog after the game, have you? Feisty little Italian! :wink:

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.05.12 09:58:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @siorc (Comment 23) : :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.05.12 09:59:32 by Ben Reply

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  • OK, so I like the arti(good read Rob) and the comments following too.
    I agree with both sides..
    We can feel aggrieved by the performance of a well stocked by talented team that we as supporters feel should be doing better..
    But we as faithful supporters must stay positively-supporting our team and as Ice have said, they read this site and should see that we acknowledge a bad win but also appreciate the win…

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.05.12 10:01:11 by Franshark Reply
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  • Lol if the players are so fragile that they can’t play without any criticism then please can we bin the entire lot and find us some players with a backbone. What a hilarious excuse!

    Actually, I would think the criticism, when justified, is GOOD. It tells the players they CANNOT dish up sub par performances week in and week out. I’m sure it is actually taken as motivation to do BETTER. Otherwise they’d simply sit there comfortably all wrapped up in cotton wool knowing that they have a bunch of sensitive fans who will never criticise them and will never demand more from them…

    The naivety is startling.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.05.12 10:02:06 by siorc Reply

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  • I say, without any injuries to worry about, lets give plum and the coaching staff a chance and see what they can manage for the remainder of the season without there being any excuses.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.05.12 10:02:25 by Quintin Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 21) : “Our deal was not hey mr plum give the youngsters a chance and win every game. We asked plum to give them the opportunity and that he did.”

    You think he gave them a chance because “we” asked him to?? And which youngsters are we talking about exactly?

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.05.12 10:02:57 by Ben Reply

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  • Feel for the Blues supporters, they were tipped as one of the favorites to win the competition and now can’t get up from the bottom of the log :shock:

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.05.12 10:03:26 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 29) : No I haven’t :oops: I obviously missed something?

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.05.12 10:03:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 23) : No not “the fans”… You :lol:
    Just jocking hey…

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.05.12 10:05:39 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 28) : There is no way a team that can perform with out support, yes sure they will get more support the more they perform but they need some support to start with, and what we as Sharks supporters have done the last couple of years is definitly not support

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.05.12 10:08:33 by BR Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 38) : Your coffee is getting cold.

    Look at the Pampas 2 years ago. They won the Vodacom Cup while being away from home for about 3 months. How much support did they get? Their fans were all the way back in Argentina.

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.05.12 10:11:30 by Ben Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 23) : it is not only the fans fault no but if we supported them, en vir hulle goeie kritiek gegee het waarvan hulle kan bou in plaas van afbreekende kritiek wat jou selfvertroue n lelike knou gee so ons heel moontlik beter vertonings van die span gekry het.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.05.12 10:13:31 by BR Reply

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  • Please stop making excuses. This team has pretty much been mediocre in SR since Plum took over. Call me a k*k supporter if you want but there comes a time when something is lying so obviously in front of you that you just have to open your eyes and see it.

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.05.12 10:14:22 by Ben Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 40) : I have not seen a lot of destructive criticism on this blog – expect for maybe Marius Joubert :twisted: . There is nothing wrong with pointing out deficiencies with players – provided it can be backed up with facts and good stats.

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.05.12 10:16:47 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : Nope…they had a lot of support locally too.

    There is nothing wrong with crit – but there are ways and there are WAYS to give it…and THAT is the difference. If you just slaugter for the sake of crit, it does more harm than good. Be constructive, that’s what I am saying.

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.05.12 10:18:13 by Ice Reply
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  • Sharks fans have the right to be seriously pi$$ed off after another season gone nowhere. And I am laying the full blame at the feet of the administration and coaching staff. The players do not coach or select themselves.

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.05.12 10:19:24 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : maar hulle het ook nie afbrekende kritiek gekry wat die sharks spelers gekry het nie.

    They are here for 3 months here without their supporters yes but when they get home they do get support and if you think the people of argintina don’t follow and support them you are definitly wrong, I am not only talking about support at the stadiums

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.05.12 10:19:44 by BR Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : Jy vergeet hierdie kom nou al ´n lang pad. Die laaste keer dat enige Sharks ondersteuner trots kon wees om dit te sê was in 2007. Mense is nou gatvol vir die hele spul in Durban wat, in my opinie, seker die swakste groep sportbestuurders in SA is.

    Die wen teen die Highlanders was ´n wen en niemand sou die Sharks afgeskiet het as ons nou 4de op die log was nie. Maar ons sien jaar na jaar dieselfde ou spelpatroon wat enige idioot kan sien werk nie en wat, as gevolg daarvan, ons losvoorspelers tot in die grond in speel.

    As ons regtig eerlik wil wees sal ons moet erken dat ons Saterdag teen die Highlanders gewen het omdat die Highlanders by ver hulle swakste wedstryd van die jaar gehad het.

    Wanneer laas was Kings Park so leeg? Moet die Sharks in ´n heeltemal leë stadium speel voor iemand wakker skrik?

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.05.12 10:20:52 by rhineshark Reply

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  • I gladly take the win last week – against a team who performed well this season and still in the top 6. We saw major improvement in the set piece.

    The question is can the coach and team now move forward and start improving on the win.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.05.12 10:22:18 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 45) : They wouldn’t have been criticized seeing as they won the competition! Did you hear any of us complaining when we won the Currie Cup in 2010?? :roll:

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.05.12 10:22:38 by Ben Reply

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  • Thanks Rob, I enjoyed this article. Not overly optimistic and not the doom and gloom we’ve had here in the comments the last week or so.

    It is a good objective idea of where the Sharks stand at the moment, without all the emotional supporters baggage we usually see.

    I think during the season we need to reserve our emotion for supporting, after the season we can explode in an emotional frenzy of what we expect from the upcoming season.

    Right now is the time to support, or like Rob look at it from a analytical and holistic point of view.

    What is right? What is wrong? What needs to be done to give us the most realistic shot at winning every game from now on.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.05.12 10:23:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 43) : How much is a lot exactly? 1000??

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.05.12 10:26:49 by Ben Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 46) : ek dra met trots my sharks ondersteuners klere na die slegste verloor “ook”, want ek is nie n fair-weather-supporter nie…

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.05.12 10:26:51 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 48) : Ben you seriously think supporters/supporting does not make a difference, then we should burn every sports book ever written… Cause its all lies then…

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.05.12 10:28:53 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 51) : And your point is?

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.05.12 10:29:15 by Ben Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 52) : So you agree that the team is performing the way they are because of the supporters and not the coaching staff?

    Holy sh*t I want a job in the Sharks coaching staff. I can f#ck up all I want and all the blame gets placed on the supporters!

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.05.12 10:32:30 by Ben Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 51) : Dis vanselfsprekend. Ek het ook in Pretoria na ´n pak slae teen die Bulls my sondagkoerante gaan koop in my Sharks hempie.

    Maar dis nie die punt nie. Dis belangrik dat die ouens wat in beheer van ons span is weet dat ons gatvol is. As dit beteken dat mense wegbly van die wedstryde of gal braak op blogs dan is dit simptome van die siekte in Sharksland en ´n teken dat iemand hulle gatte in rat moet begin kry, want ons is stadig maar seker besig om in die Cheetahs te verander.

    Selfs die eenogigste Sharks ondersteuner wil DIT nie hê nie. Vra maar enige Vrystater.

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.05.12 10:34:03 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 53) : actually, I would like to know what YOUR point is…

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.05.12 10:39:37 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 56) : That you lot should stop following the team blindly and start pointing out the things that are hindering our team from performing to their potential!

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.05.12 10:42:28 by Ben Reply

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  • Hope Sharks spread more ball against the Force, we don’t need to be conservative against force, we must go for the Bonus point. It’s as simple as sending Deysel/Alberts/Coetzee straight at their flyhalf channel and we will Win :smile:

    Lambie hardly looked outside him last week, Whitehead and Jordaan are amazing attacking players, and against a force side that we will get front foot ball against, we should be seeing whitehead, Jordaan, JPP and Mvovo with more ball in hand.

    My preferred team for the weekend

    1.Beast
    2.Bissie
    3.Jannie (how sick r these 3 together!?, they play so well as a combination)
    4.Sykes
    5.Du toit
    6.Coetzee
    7.Deysel
    8.Keegan(C)
    9.Mcloed
    10.Lambie
    11.Mvovo
    12.Whitehead
    13.Jordaan
    14.JPP
    15.Ludik(can’t attack, but solid as a rock at the back, we need that)

    16.Cooper
    17.Herbst
    18.Bresler
    19.Alberts
    20.Botes
    21.Freddy
    22.Bosman

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.05.12 10:43:11 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : Giving the youngsters a chance? Yes he gave the odd one a chance but let’s look at the poor coaching decisions for the season.

    H ow long did it take for Whitehead and Jordaan to start?
    How long did it take for Marius Joubert to be dropped?
    How long will it take before we see a young scrumhalf being given a chance?
    How long did Burden warm the bench before finally being used?
    How long will the unimaginative gameplan be utilised?
    How long before Plumtree has the balls to sack his Captain?
    Had Odwa not been injured would he still be playing, while we have better and faster sitting on the sidelines?

    We as fans have suffered for too long.
    If Plumtree HAD given the youngsters a chance and played some exciting rugby then we would have been more accepting, but he hasn’t he has served up the same dour crap week after week.

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.05.12 10:44:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Some very naïve folks here if they think that the support or lack of it is to blame for the Sharks shoddy season.

    Open your eyes – expectation should be linked to ability and talent. With what the Sharks have in player resources since 2007, they have been dismal under-achievers.

    It was a good win – but its not been a good season. And if saying that offends your naïve, narrow-minded concept of what a fan is – sorry for you.

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.05.12 10:48:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @juba_fan (Comment 11) : Well not really every point. They are missing a BUNCH of try bonus points. :)

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.05.12 10:48:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 54) : no Ben, Supporters have not “that” much influence but the do have some…. Obviously the coaching staff plays a BIG role in the outcome of games but we as supporters can’t be negative all the time, and only be screaming for their heads… All the time…
    Positive support has an influence….

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.05.12 10:49:17 by Franshark Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 58) : Cooper has impressed me this year – quite a handful to other teams and does his fair share of the donkey work

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.05.12 10:49:43 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • “O, Jannnie hoe is die seks lewe?”so asof Petrus weet van die dinge…
    Jannie antwoord :              
     ”Soos coke, ou Petrus, soos coke—-Eers was dit lekker, 
    toe word dit light,
    en nou is dit zero”.  

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.05.12 10:50:38 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 57) : But I do Ben, it however does not mean that I cannot be positive…but I dont believe in saying shitty things without trying to see if there is a remedy or a positive that can come from it.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.05.12 10:51:10 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) : Agree with all those points.

    The unimaginative gameplan i saw last week, better be altered, cos there is no chance in hell we gonna Win superugby playing like that, there has the be a good balance. We can’t play old scholl style Bulls rugby, it’s not how we roll; we play momentum Rugby, and we play it well, so i hope to see that again.

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.05.12 10:51:38 by JJR Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 62) : I’ve been positive for about 3 years and gave the coaching staff my full support. I’m fed up now!

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.05.12 10:51:44 by Ben Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 12) : I disagree, we were happy with the young guns, we were leading with the young guns, it’s when Plumtree brought the Joubert’s of the world on at ill timed intervals that things went to shit and we lost the games.

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.05.12 10:52:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 55) : goed om te hoor ;)

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.05.12 10:52:44 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 64) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.05.12 10:53:11 by JJR Reply
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  • I’m typing way to slow for this conversation. Its like fighting with my wife…
    For every one thing I have to say, she have 10…

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.05.12 10:54:42 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 60) : yes, my point was. It was a good win, but hardly anyone gave them the credit.

    O am more than sure, that they realise it has not been a good season, but is it so hard to give credit when its due? Some positive encouragement might be all they need to build on that win…

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.05.12 10:57:45 by Ice Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : Agreed.

    A good coach will pull this team (as is with VERY few changes) together.

    A captain may lead the team on the field, but a coach, to me, is the overall leader. We need a coach who these guys will die in the trenches for and it does not look like they are prepared to do that for Plumtree.

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.05.12 10:57:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If the Sharks were a Premiere League football team the manager and coaches would have all got the sack. I’d be surprised if they keep their job after this campaign. Think we need some fresh input and new ideas.

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.05.12 10:59:36 by slammerboy Reply

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  • I for one am pleased with the progress we made this week. It wasn’t a polished performance, but it was an improvement.

    Firstly, we played to the conditions. I dislike the kick and chase game, but I dislike losing more. We didn’t execute it that well, but we haven’t used it that much and I felt we did improve during the game.

    Secondly, our overall discipline was better, and Bismarks was much better. The stats may prove me wrong, but I thought we were generally better behaved, especially in the second half where they should’ve copped a yellow for repeated infringements.

    Thirdly, our set pieces were much better, line outs improved, and scrums demolished, awesome.

    In general, there is lots to improve, but you have to start on one thing and work from there.

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.05.12 11:04:58 by Gaff Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 18) : It tells me that those supporters have had enough and have managed to make their feelings heard in such a way that it has reached the team.

    If you wanted to you could spin it in such a way that they finally won BECAUSE they were aware of the unhappiness from their supporters rather than the spin YOU are trying to put on it that implies the opposite.

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.05.12 11:05:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 24) : Well if I saw their best just once this season then I would praise it, but unfortunately they are yet to show us their best.

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.05.12 11:10:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 18) : you are misguided, Loftus was deserted in 2008 when the Bulls went from Champs to Chumps and finished 10th! the bulls supporters vote with their feet/ticket sales! when the bulls were hondkak in early 2000 you couldn’t get 3000 ppl at loftus!

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.05.12 11:13:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • I think I need to write an article about this “giving the youngsters a chance” misconception…

    I’ll wait until tomorrow though.

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.05.12 11:13:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : I agree, one or two youngsters in a settled team helps them to grow, throw in a whole bunch and you lose composure, cohesion and obviously leadership!

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.05.12 11:16:16 by Gaff Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 76) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 77) : All I can say is Amen! You have eloquently summed up exactly how I feel!

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.05.12 11:16:43 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 78) : In 2008 you could drive through Snor City all day and not see ONE car with an UNBEATA-BULL sticker on it. :lol:

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.05.12 11:18:20 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : If the coach is set in his ways, what then? I say Brian is responsible as he has the power to do something about the situation.

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.05.12 11:18:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 83) : During the season the coach is responsible.

    But I agree finally the administration needs to do something if they see the team not going anywhere.

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.05.12 11:21:35 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Maybe I’m a blind optimist, but I think the Sharks are poised to have a crack at the title. It is a precarious position, one where the climb up can be rewarding, but a little slip and you find yourselves at the bottom of a mountain.

    One this is obvious, the Sharks have not reached their potential, and therefore they have not peaked. Defense and set pieces have slowly improved, and the team has started to work a little better as a team under Daniel. We still have a bye week due to us, and hopefully we have come out of the worst of our injury woes.

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.05.12 11:24:43 by Gaff Reply

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  • Did anybody else feel that good old Steve Walsh was trying hard to win back his Durban nightclub credentials he lost in 2007?

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.05.12 11:25:57 by Gaff Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 51) : Ek ook, MAAR dit beteken nie ons kan nie ons ongelukkigheid bekend maak nie.

    Ons is ondersteuners maar hulle moet weet dat ons nie gelukkige ondersteuners is nie.

    Ek vertel altyd vir mense die ouens wat ongelukkig is en nie kla nie is BAIE gevaarliker as ouens wat jou laat weet hoe hulle voel. Die Sharks moet bly wees ons kla en bly nie net stil of verdwyn nie net nie.

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.05.12 11:28:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Gaff (Comment 85) : :shock:

    crack at the title??? :shock: Only in the sense that there are 14 other teams also having a crack at winning the title but only a select few are in with a shout and the Sharks aren’t one of them.

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.05.12 11:39:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) : Agreed! It’s a game, someone has to win. I for one chose my team losing after playing good rugby than losing having played crap. Easier to accept.

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.05.12 11:41:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Gaff (Comment 85) : Come on guys…it’s the 10th week of the competition and we are talking about the set piece improving, shouldn’t this have been done during the off season, perfected after the 3rd week and being second nature at this stage? Other teams are tweaking their gameplans for the 2nd half run and are busy trying to get our rucking, lineouts, kick-offs right. Come on guys…it’s no good.

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.05.12 11:51:46 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 90) : replace and with we…read ‘we are busy we trying to get our rucking..ect.

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.05.12 11:56:04 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 10) : I think the players chased hard and looked committed, look at Ludik’s chase, he got hold of the guy, he got the offload away and immediately JPP was there to make the tackle and Bis to go over the tackle for the steal. I don’t think it is fair to say the players aren’t committed. That’s speculation. You have no facts to support this comment and I don’t like that.

    Facts support under par performances, but it does not support you opinion of a lack of commitment.

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.05.12 12:07:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 87) : jys heeltemal reg, maar daar is n verskill in ouens wat se hoe hulle voel en ander wat altyd negatief is/of beledigend is. soos Ben is bv nie beledigend nie maar se hoe hy voel, dis a-ok, maar nou staan hy aan die kant van ouens wat well beledigend is, en met dit kan ek nie saam stem nie.
    ek is seker elke week die eerste ou wat kla oor McLeod se werksverigting, maar probeer dit op n skaflike manier oordra…. anders as “skiet hom want hy’s useless”

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.05.12 12:15:10 by Franshark Reply
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  • Well I too am not happy with how my beloved team has played over the past few months, but I am cautiously optimistic that they could be fairly well placed for a shot at the title.

    On the injury front, the Sharks are in a great place, good to have undercooked players like Kanko and Beast joining the fray, with no other major concerns, unlike some of our opponents who have huge injury problems.

    Most people wrote the Sharks off before the Chiefs match, SBW was expected to run riot against us, yet we effectively closed him down all match long and we could easily have won that game, with the Chiefs, the number one team on the log leading by a solitary point with no time left on the clock.

    Many of the Sharks losses so far have been very close, showing me that this team definitely has got what it takes, with only the debacle against the Hurricanes as one that we really performed dismally. I know it is champion teams that can win the close ones, but I still feel that our team can still click and start winning those close ones. We could very easily have won against the Stormers away in Cape Town,just a silly penalty given away by Keegan ended up sparating the teams. Likewise against the Waratahs, we should have won that match too.

    Ok enough with the could haves and would haves. I personally wouldn’t really be too devastated our team finishing in 6th spot (although I think we will finish higher than that and I hope we do), as this means we will probably play the Brumbies away, a prospect that certainly does not terrify me.

    So I remain positive and I will support the coach and captain, at least until the end of the season, and in the meantime if any of them does stupid things or if I don’t agree with a tactic or selection then I will say so because that is my right and duty as a fan.

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.05.12 12:17:51 by jonnow Reply

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  • There are distinct viewpoints that are getting a little tangled IMHO – the two cases mentioned below are rarely the same person:

    - There are those who have mistaken personal attacks on players for constructive criticism – not cool.
    - There are however also those who provide constructive criticism of gameplans, players and coaching structures on the site and that should not be mistaken for a lack of support. They share because they care! ;-)

    Personally, I believe there is a place for constructive criticism even directly following a win. I truly believe one can be happy about a win without being entirely satisfied with the nature of the win. I’ll always take a win even if I don’t like it.

    The counter-point is of course those ‘supporters’ who will never be satisfied but let’s not mistake them with the folks mentioned above!

    I’ll end with a question regarding another point. Has Plum truly been backing the youngsters this season?

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.05.12 12:20:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 93) : ek stem Fransie.

  • Comment 96, posted at 08.05.12 12:20:47 by Ice Reply
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  • The Sharks are going to be 2nd on the conference log by the international break…. anyone can copy this and through it back in my face if its not so…. watch its gonna happen.

  • Comment 97, posted at 08.05.12 12:22:19 by Franshark Reply
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  • io’m loving this thread :lol:

    like music to my ears! :mrgreen: :razz:

  • Comment 98, posted at 08.05.12 12:27:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 92) : Point taken and accepted! However, in the second half there was a period of time when the Sharks kicked the ball without bothering to chase and just seemed to wait for the Highlanders to run at them, it is at that particular point that I last it. I’ll go back tonight to watch on my PVR and tell you exactly of when that was.

  • Comment 99, posted at 08.05.12 12:28:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 95) : I like, Answer, I do think more than before, he could have picked Fred at 10 and played MJ and Lambi at center just to get experience in, but his not so that’s why I say he does more that before….

  • Comment 100, posted at 08.05.12 12:28:55 by Franshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 95) : he could have gone with Odwa instead of Jordaan this past weekend but choice the younger option.

  • Comment 101, posted at 08.05.12 12:30:17 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 98) : I bett you do :lol:

  • Comment 102, posted at 08.05.12 12:33:26 by Franshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 46) : I think we won because our coach implement a smart game plan against a team that only two other teams before us managed a win. If you don’t want to give recognition to the team and the coach when they do deliver then you’ll never be proud to be a Sharks supporter and will be part of the reason the stands are empty for a team that will probably reach the play-offs. It’s sad really.

    There’s supporters then there’s, I’ll go to the semi and final supporters.

    There’s supporters then there’s. I’ll go if I know we will definitely win supporters.

    Support is thick and thin. (Anders is jy net ‘n draadsitter).

    Support means especially going when the team is not doing so well, supporting them, showing them that you believe they have the ability to turn around, not walking away and coming back when they do reach the final. That’s not support, you don’t even deserve to wear a Sharks jersey or be aloud at the final then. Yes, because when the final comes you want to be a part of it all, but you’re not willing to go to the games when you know the boys may struggle to an ugly win or even not get a win.

    That’s like making vows to someone like this:

    I take you the Sharks

    as the team I support

    for better but not for worse,
    for richer but not for poorer,
    in health but not in sickness,
    to support and to cheer on;
    from this day forward,
    until a few bad games do us part.

    I realise you are here and still technically a supporter, but if you don’t go to the games, even if we lose, it’s like sleeping out until your wife or husband lose the extra weight they gained during the holidays or while they shake of their cold.

    Just saying, you might not support like that. This is how I support.

    It’s just sad when supporters don’t show up because their team is losing. For that matter then why should the Sharks win, for the supporters that’s not even willing to come to the game? That’s not how it works, you (and I’m generalising) want them to win, but you only want come to the game once they do?

  • Comment 103, posted at 08.05.12 12:40:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 92) : That ONE time, in this ONE game. :)

    Where was that in the early part of the season?

    On the flipside, you don’t have facts to support the notion that these guys are 100% committed. I WILL tell you that if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck it mostly turns out being a duck. The players look and walk uncommitted IMO.

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.05.12 12:40:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • oh f*cking YIPPEE… we get that arrogant blind prick Mark Lawrence on Saturday.

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.05.12 12:45:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : He is actually a bloody nice guy in person. Stood with him and Kaplan in the immigration queue at Sydney last year, and he took the time to chat to me while we waited, as opposed to Kaplan who was a real grumpy guy

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.05.12 12:56:00 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : Bryce’s brother from another mother?! Okai tell me what has VanZyl done to SANZAR or SARU that all the Shite refs are reserved for us! :twisted:

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.05.12 12:56:04 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 103) :
    I dislike proseltyzing about how people should support. I didn’t sign up to your version of fandom, with its blind optimism, so kindly refrain from trying to hold me accountable to it.

    Perhaps you can suspend logical thought in favour of wooly-headed delusion, but I can’t.

    I remain a Sharks supporter, but I decline an invitation to pretend that I approve of mediocrity from a team capable of much more.

  • Comment 108, posted at 08.05.12 13:17:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 106) : never having met him, all I have to go on is the way he blows our games. :evil:

  • Comment 109, posted at 08.05.12 13:27:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) : nobody is asking you to accept mediocracy…but what I am asking is for people to be uplifting in the crit. And I am not saying you are not, I am just saying, all of you who are attacking my original post, is missing what I wanted to bring across.

    Say your say, but try and do it in a more positive way..

    It is however funny that a lot of those who are critisizing my view on this are the once with snide remarks towards me and the people who agreed with me…have you ever thought that you might be so set in your ways of trying to belitling someone, that that is exactly what you do to the players when you give your “uplifting” critisism of them?

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.05.12 13:32:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 110) :
    Have you ever considered that perhaps posting your opinion as gospel might be the reason people take umbrage at your posts?

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.05.12 13:36:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 111) : I did not profess it as gospel? I did not say you were not a supporter if you don’t to ABC etc…did I? Why then the need for namecalling? Naïve, narrow-minded etc. WHAT makes your argument of a supporter any more superior than mine?

    I was ASKING for people to be there NOW, to give encouragement, cause I believe it will do more good than us just shooting tjem down further. Go read it again.

  • Comment 112, posted at 08.05.12 13:53:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 103) : Draadsitter se moer man.

    As ek ´n draadsitter was het ek nie ´n blou duit omgegee of ons wen of verloor nie. Die rede hoekom ek so de donner is vir die huidige stand van sake is JUIS omdat ek omgee, want ek kyk al wedstryde op Kings Park vandat ek 6 jaar oud is en ons so sleg was dat ons in die B-liga gespeel het. My pa was ´n Natal skeidsregter en ek het handtekeninge gaan jag na die wedstryde toe al die ander laaties balle geskop het op die braaivelde. Natal rugby is in my DNA.

    As daar een ou is wat nie ´n draadsitter is nie is dit ek. Maar ek is ook nie iemand wat gaan toelaat dat ´n klomp idiote ons rugby opneuk sonder om my mond oop te maak nie.

  • Comment 113, posted at 08.05.12 14:06:51 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 111) : I think we all sing that song of Frank ;)

  • Comment 114, posted at 08.05.12 14:17:28 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 111) : @Ice (Comment 112) : don’t make me force you guys to have a timeout now…

  • Comment 115, posted at 08.05.12 14:19:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 113) : :lol:

  • Comment 116, posted at 08.05.12 14:21:03 by Ice Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 107) : It’s not Van Zyl, it’s our log position.

  • Comment 117, posted at 08.05.12 14:23:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 117) : :cry:

  • Comment 118, posted at 08.05.12 14:35:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 116) : Ja, ek dink ons lag maar eerder. :lol: Hierdie blêrrie Sharks is nie goed vir my bloeddruk nie!

  • Comment 119, posted at 08.05.12 14:36:06 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) :
    Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

  • Comment 120, posted at 08.05.12 14:50:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Allriiiiight, time to throw some fuel on the fire!

    This issue of what being a supporter entails is a little like the religion vs. cult debate; religion respects the individual’s autonomy, whereas cults enforce compliance. Religions tolerate and even encourage questions and independent critical thinking, whereas cults discourage this strongly.

    Methinks some of the opinions on this site are taking on a cultish slant in their aversion of critical introspection… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 121, posted at 08.05.12 14:54:08 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) : You see…there he goes again…

  • Comment 122, posted at 08.05.12 15:00:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 122) : you chose to join my cult… :)

  • Comment 123, posted at 08.05.12 15:01:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 108) : *clapping of hands* yeah groot vis :lol:

    loved the part about “suspen(sion) of logical thought”

  • Comment 124, posted at 08.05.12 15:01:24 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 124) : get a room, you two :)

  • Comment 125, posted at 08.05.12 15:11:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hey guys(and galls) there’s a nice(positive) thread just about 3 blocks away down town, about all our fit players ready to be picked, go and put your energy into picking your team for the Force-clash… ;)

  • Comment 126, posted at 08.05.12 15:15:38 by Franshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (comment 105)
    agree. Don’t you that that the crowd pays money to watch him ref -the game is second to him

  • Comment 127, posted at 08.05.12 19:31:19 by snakeslayer Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 93) : Aan wie se kant staan ek nou presies? Ek dog ek gee nog heeltyd net my eie opinie? :???:

  • Comment 128, posted at 08.05.12 23:11:03 by Ben Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 111) : Have you ever considered that when you’re so passionate about something it is hard to talk about it without sounding gospelly?

  • Comment 129, posted at 09.05.12 08:24:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 113) : Okay, net om die saak duiedlikheid te gee, ek weet ek het my post op joune geantwoord, maar ek het nie bedoel jy is ‘n draad sitter nie. Om die waarheid te praat, al die mal mense hier, is verseker nie draadsitters nie. Ons almal is mal oor die Sharks. En dis ook hoekom ons soos mal goed mekaar aanval as ons opinies verskil, want ons almal wil he die Sharks moet beter doen en is gefrustreer deur hulle swak vertonings.

    Ek hou net niks daarvan as ‘n span een of twee games verloor het hoe leeg die stadion raak nie. Dis seker maar net hoe dit werk, maar ek sou daarvan hou as mense besef die span het hulle ondersteuning net soveel en selfs nog meer nodig wanneer dinge sleg gaan. Hulle het ook motivering nodig en hier op die blog hoef ons nie noodwendig altyd net maanskyn en rose te wees nie, kyk partykeer moet die waarheid net uitgespreek word maak nie saak hoe seer dit maak nie, maar wanneer die game Saterdag gespeel word, soos jy se, dan trek ek daai trui oor my skouers en met al my trots gaan sit ek op daai bankie en skree my longe uit.

    Moenie dink as ek loop en ons speel vrot skel ek hulle nogsteeds nie uit nie, nee, maar ek kan skel en nogsteeds net so goed ondersteun. Dis al.

  • Comment 130, posted at 09.05.12 08:35:47 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 126) : I would just pick the same team and I think, so would Plumtree. We won’t stop a hot topic like this soon, it continues with Rich’s and my post at the very top of the page.

    I like it. We all start to disagree and passionately so when the team starts to lose and the funny thing is, this is when we all agree the most, we just want them to win again.

  • Comment 131, posted at 09.05.12 08:40:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 4) :

    I’m not sure if you have been at the Tank, but the East Upper seats are far from the crappest seats in the country, and very far from the crappest seats at the Tank itself..

  • Comment 132, posted at 09.05.12 08:41:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @jonnow (Comment 94) : I like your post, I wish I can say what I want and control my emotions.

    I think it is part of the argumentative nature that runs in my family. Just a while a go, my brother and I was in another hot debate about I don’t no, lets say breakfast… we argue about everything and then I realised, in the middle of it, we argue about everything. I think we like it. Or we’re good at it, or we’re just so used to it we don’t know how to it it any other way.

    So I think some of my posts specifically intends to draw an argument. I must say it is pretty exhausting though, so for the rest of the season, at least this season, I’m going to try to post more like you did here. :razz:

  • Comment 133, posted at 09.05.12 08:52:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 130) : OK, geen probleem. Dog jy vat `n hap na my. ;-)

    Om te reageer oor wat jy van die toeskouergetalle gesê het. Die stadium het nie begin leegraak na die span twee keer verloor het nie. DIt is nou al 4 jaar dat die Sharks onderpresteer. Mense, ek ingesluit, is gatvol en wil hê daar moet veranderinge kom.

    Mens voel magteloos, want dis asof die ouens in beheer van die Sharks (soos met die Bokke) “untouchables” is.

  • Comment 134, posted at 09.05.12 08:56:46 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 17) : Perfectly said….Plumtree and Co need to do the honourable thing, get emergency help to finish the tournament, and then leave at the end.

  • Comment 135, posted at 09.05.12 08:59:18 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Wow! It would seem I missed all the fun in the last two days!

  • Comment 136, posted at 09.05.12 10:25:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 136) : You and me both! This was brilliant. Thanx guys and just for the record, I`m with Rhinesharks cult. :twisted:

  • Comment 137, posted at 09.05.12 10:56:05 by Original Pierre Reply
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