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Sharks v Highlanders: by the numbers


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 8 May 2012 at 12:43
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Time for our weekly look at the match statistics from the Sharks game against the Highlanders, courtesy of Verusco.

From a team point of view, a number of things stand out, but none more so than the skewed possession stat that saw the Highlanders in control of the ball for 51 minutes against the Sharks’ 29. That, perhaps, was intentional from the Durbanites, since it’s more common for the side with the ball to concede penalties (even though playing without the ball is a sure way to avoid scoring tries). That said, the Sharks conceded 12 penalties in total to the Highlanders’ 10 and were also forced to do a lot more defending (a massive 239 tackles against just 89 from the visitors). The home side did better in the handling stakes, though, making 15 handling errors to the Highlanders’ 23.

Overall, tackling was a strength for the Sharks, with 92% of tackles making their mark, against just 80% for the Highlanders. Marcell Coetzee (23 tackles from 26 attempts) and Anton Bresler (21 tackles from 23 attempts) were the most active men on defence, with Pat Lambie, Jacques Botes and Paul Jordaan all managing 17 each. Of the men to not miss any, Lambie stodd above all others, with 100% success from 17 tackles, ahead of Keegan Daniel (13 from 13) and Bismarck du Plessis (12 from 12). Charl McLeod, Pieter-Steph du Toit, JP Pietersen and Louis Ludik were the other men to make all of their stops.

Coetzee, bizarrely, also missed the most tackles (3), with Ryan Kankowski, Jean Deysel, Beast Mtawarira, Jacques Botes and Bresler all missing 2 stops. It was poor old Kanko who ended up with the worst stats, though – his 2 misses came from just 4 attempts, giving him a 50% success rate. Deysel followed on 78% (2 misses from 9 attempts).

Louis Ludik made the most ground with ball in hand (79) ahead of Daniel (68) and Coetzee (54). Daniel made the most line breaks (2), with Ludik and Lwazi Mvovo each managing 1. Ludik and Mvovo made the most offloads (2 each) while it was Daniel (6) and Steven Sykes (5) who made the most passes outside of the halfbacks. The fact that Pat Lambie himself only passed the ball a total of 7 times does show that it wasn’t a day for the ball to be run through the hands.

Ruck and maul attendance was low overall, with Jacques Botes (22), Bismarck du Plessis (16) and Anton Bresler (15) the only players to hit any number.

Lost possession was a problem, with Jordaan and Pietersen spilling the ball 3 times apiece, with Bismarck not far behind on 2. Sykes, Botes and Coetzee were the main culprits at penalty time, each being blown up on 3 separate occasions. That amounts to 75% of the total penalties going against just 3 players, which isn’t really good enough.

The unthinkable has indeed happened this week, I fear, with Marcell Coetzee topping the combined error rate score with 6 (3 penalties and 3 missed tackles), although he was ably supported by Botes and Sykes, who got 5 each.

Picking an MVP based on these stats is tough, but once we’ve eliminated the guys who made the most mistakes and weighed up the other contributions, we’ve decided to share the award between Anton Bresler and Louis Ludik, both of whom made solid contributions to the win, albeit in quite different ways.

It needs to be emphasised here that this award is based on only a handful of summary statistics and thus can only be as objective as the subset of data we’re given to work with. In other words, it’s quite possible that we’ve overlooked much of the good work done by Pat Lambie on Saturday, but I’m sure he’ll take plenty of comfort in the official Man of the Match award he received from Supersport, which was also richly deserved.



45 Comments

  • Rugbystats have quite different tackling stats for some of the players, e.g. Jordaan at 11 (9 successful, 2 ineffective) and 2 missed.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.05.12 12:53:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 1) : yes, I know… they count them quite differently.

    We’ve opted to go with Verusco because that’s what the Sharks themselves base their analysis on.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.05.12 12:55:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Does it mean Verusco credits a player with a tackle in a gang tackle and Rugbystats only the first tackler?

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.05.12 12:59:18 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 3) : I dunno exactly what the difference is

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.05.12 12:59:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • The other stat I am really happy with is that we took all our line outs – the only other games we managed that were against the Waratahs and Brumbies

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.05.12 13:10:37 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Have to say…if one guy does nothing or very little and the other a lot, the 2nd guy has more room to make errors…so you wanna tell me the guy with the most errors was the worse player? Don’t know if one can actually look at that and come to a conclusion without working it out percentage wise..?

    For instance Bismarck might lead in the turmovers, but he would also be in the run for the most penalties…but other players are not even competing at the breakdown so he will be in the run to give away most penalties…does this make sense?

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.05.12 13:17:16 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : never said Marcell was the worst player, darling, so put down that gun.

    All I’m saying is that according to the numbers that have been published, he made more errors (in the areas highlighted) than anyone else.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.05.12 13:29:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : to address your second point, a penalty is a penalty and nobody should be giving them away. Sykes gave away his for flopping over rucks, whereas Botes gave away his for going offside and Marcell for hands in the ruck (or whatever). Three different intentions, three similar results and all caused by a lack of technique.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.05.12 13:33:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : :mrgreen:

    Damn -i cannot get across what I want too..

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.05.12 13:36:57 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 9) :

    I understand what you are getting at Ice, it is a question I have raised before when doing these stats articles.

    A player who does not get involved in play will not get penalised, a player not attempting a tackle will not miss a tackle.

    But these penalties do add up, and as Rob said above, a penalty is a penalty is a penalty..

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.05.12 13:39:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) :

    We are not rewarding players for not getting penalised or not missing tackles, we are pointing out players that have missed tackles and that have conceded penalties.

    Yes Marcell missed three, but yes, he also made the most.. a double edged sword..

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.05.12 13:40:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : ja, what I am trying to say is, if your workrate in certain areas are much higher, room for error is also higher. So, if a guy hits 20 rucks and turnover 9 balls and give away penelaties in the process, it does not mean that he is worse player than the guy who hit 2 rucks, no turnover and no penalty.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.05.12 13:41:21 by Ice Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 5) : I agree, there is some light in the line out tunnel, also believe we are improving with the kickoff?

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.05.12 13:44:56 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) :thanks, that was what I was trying to ask.

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.05.12 13:45:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 12) :

    You are right, he is not worse.. That is not what we are saying..

    But what you are saying is that in previous weeks, when your golden boy was rated MVP, we should have looked at giving the award to Bismarck, because even though he conceded 5 penalties and potentially cost us the game, he hit more rucks, so we forgive him?

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.05.12 13:45:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : I would :| :lol:

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.05.12 13:50:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • On a different note, I am starting to really feel for the Lions, Doppes has signed a two year contract with Treviso, I believe this to be the begining of things to come with all this uncertainty over S15 participation.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.05.12 13:55:27 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 16) :

    You are a special case though ;-)

    Should I change it to Dale Chadwick?

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.05.12 13:55:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Skyes can count himself lucky he didn’t get penalised more. He was off his feet at many a ruck

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.05.12 13:58:56 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 17) : That isn’t surprising. The coach is a saffa.

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.05.12 14:00:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 20) : who?

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.05.12 14:01:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : No, not at all! Fuck you guys are knobs sometimes.

    A penalty given away does not always turn into points. So I just think there is a lot of factors to be taken into consideration.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.05.12 14:02:03 by Ice Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 19) : Sykes had a pretty average game all round

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.05.12 14:02:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.05.12 14:02:35 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 22) : kalmeer skat…. you’re not actually allowed to say that :)

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.05.12 14:02:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Franco Smith.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.05.12 14:06:24 by lostfish Reply
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  • here’s the challenge…. we don’t have either the time or the information to be able to break each game down into excruciating detail to understand exactly who did what. The other problem is that we don’t know how the coach has told them to play… so if a guy does something that we think is dumb, is it because he screwed up, or because the coach told him to do it.

    Does this mean that we shouldn’t comment on individual performance at all?

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.05.12 14:06:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : what..Knobs??

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.05.12 14:06:32 by Ice Reply
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  • These stat comparison articles are just a different take of the game which are balanced by the articles where each player is rated. Those are probably closer to the “truth”.

    The stats however can also highlight players who go through an enormous amount of work in a game but who you don’t really notice while watching the game.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.05.12 14:11:11 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : For example I never realized how much work Bresler gets through in a game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.05.12 14:13:07 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : To be fair to Botes, it might have looked like the ball was out already, because that specific ruck was a very fragmented affair.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.05.12 14:13:21 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 26) : ah yes… I quite liked the guy at times.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.05.12 14:16:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 28) : well, I guess it was the combination of that and the swearword :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.05.12 14:17:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 31) : he gave away 3 for the same thing, though…

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.05.12 14:18:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : oops, so you noticed. :lol: :blush:

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.05.12 14:28:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : I have a special sensor…

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.05.12 14:30:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Only remember that one. Mind´s going… :|

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.05.12 14:34:35 by rhineshark Reply

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  • Tackle stats can be hugely misleading at times.
    other stats eg Turnovers, Linebreaks, metres run etc are there for all to see but tackle stats…not so much.

    Eg one of those Kanko ‘misses’ came when there was another shark(I forget who) had just slid of a Highhlander ball carrier. Kanko was about to go in for the steal and suddenly realised the Highlander had slipped the tackle and Kanko had to change positions and try and tackle the guy again. He had no chance. Happened right near our line.
    Point is, it wasn’t Kankos miss really but the stats wont see it that way.

    The tackle stat is far too inconsistent and doesnt take any variables into account imo.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.05.12 14:44:25 by John Galt Reply

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  • Congrats to Bresler, Ludik and Lambie. We are a bit thin at lock. Puts a smile on my face to see a guy like Bresler putting up his hand. Well done and keep it up please!

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.05.12 23:27:05 by Ben Reply

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  • To be fair to the players, I think this system is a much better method of rating the players. Don’t like the “Monday scoring” of players, maybe the two articles can be combined or the scoring canned all together:-). Prefer working with facts…i.e. tackles made, metres gained, intensity of the tackle and clean out, rucks attended etc…

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.05.12 05:42:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I think Deysel is actually in very good form, and has done alot of work with his offloads when taking contact, becoming more rounded off – a valuable asset and warrants a starting spot…

    The fact that he attempted 9 tackles in 9 minutes of play, and according to you “not long enough to be rated” about sums it up…

    Deysel should be getting more game time, his use has been shambolic since rehab 2012. He has been better than Alberts this season.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.05.12 08:23:50 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • “The fact that he attempted 9 tackles in 9 minutes of play, and according to you “not long enough to be rated” about sums it up.” My point exactly…use the stats to rate players..

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.05.12 08:46:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • The problem is you need a lot more detailed stats than the public domain page on Verusco supplies to make a proper analysis. So I prefer to read the subjective rating plus the stat article plus my own opinion from watching the game.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.05.12 08:53:13 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 43) : agree. And let’s not forget the facyt that this is a blog and not just an information page. So we need people to utter their opinions. SW is a therapy session for me….get a lot of frustration out of me for free! :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.05.12 08:59:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 44) : Exactly

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.05.12 09:00:08 by Bokhoring Reply

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