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Sharks “can’t afford Steyn”… but is this just a ruse?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Springboks on 14 May 2012 at 10:00
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Many of us have been growing concerned – if not outright alarmed – at the lack of progress in the Sharks attempts to re-sign Francois Steyn.

To briefly catch up on the timeline of events here, various sources confirmed back in March that Steyn was “in talks” with the Sharks regarding a possible return at the end of the French season, a move that would see him available to play in their last two Super Rugby games this year. Mike Greenaway of the Mercury quoted Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl as saying that he had met with Steyn and his agent “recently”, adding that “we have had productive discussions, but nothing has been finalised because of the issue of a possible contract with SA Rugby that would need to be part of the process of him returning to SA. Hopefully everything will be sorted out, and if that is the case he would be able to play for us after the French season ends in June. The key thing is that all parties want Francois to return to SA.”

The expectation that the signing would be confirmed within weeks of that story, though, came to nought, but appeared to become more likely when, in April, it was confirmed that Steyn had turned down a lucrative contract extension from Racing Metro and would indeed return to South Africa. That was almost a month ago now, though and still no Sharks contract has been confirmed.

It was, then, a little surprising to read in the Witness late on Friday that the Sharks, according to another direct quote from van Zyl “couldn’t afford Steyn”, with the CEO appearing to go back on what he said earlier in adding that they hadn’t heard from Steyn at all since last year and “didn’t know what his plans were”. According to that piece, by John Bishop, none of the South African Super Rugby franchises were able to meet Steyn’s wage demands and the onus would thus fall on the national body to top up his earnings with a Bok contract; this, apparently, was to be discussed and hopefully finalised at a meeting to be held on Thursday this week.

Having spoken to a number of parties, though, my feeling is that van Zyl is again playing games here. Sources close to both the Sharks and the Boks remain convinced that Steyn is returning to Durban, with one even suggesting that a deal has already been done with SARU to make this happen. We’ll let the Sharks play their usual cloak and dagger media game, since it seems to make them happy to do so, but if any fans are now worried that the Steyn signing isn’t going to happen at all, I would advise against undue concern.

More on this, as ever, once we have something concrete.



150 Comments

  • It would be fairly stupid for Van Zyl to play games here.

    Especially given the fact that there is already unhappiness between Bok players, their unions and SA Rugby wrt money issues.

    Perhaps that is the hold up? The money issues with Bok players?

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.05.12 10:04:52 by Morné Reply
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  • This is not the first time like you said…Perhaps they should take a page from the bulls book. RE: Derick Hougaard a few months back. Just say yes/no and get it over with.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.05.12 10:14:42 by go_4 Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : Agreed.

    Steyn`s return has been the only light in our dark tunnel of a season so far.

    If they fumble this or start playing mind games again we`re not gonna be happy . . .

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.05.12 10:15:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Rob wasn’t this the same thing that was happening when John Smit was coming back, Sharks saying that they couldn’t afford John and that they didn’t whant to risk losing Bissie, and that SARU would sort out where John would play? It all seems like deja vu. But why play these games, what does it benefit the Union if they already have his signature? :shock:

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.05.12 10:18:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Send Steyn to the Cheetahs..

    They desperately need a kicker, and then we wouldn’t have to deal with ‘The Ego’

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.05.12 10:19:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • How much money would we save if we cancel Hugh Reece Edwards, MJ and MB`s contracts?
    Surely we can afford Steyn then?

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.05.12 10:31:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : ja please! We already have to deal with yours.. :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.05.12 10:41:54 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) :

    :mrgreen: :cool:

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.05.12 10:44:41 by wpw Reply
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  • Not to mention the saving when Fred Michalak leaves.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.05.12 10:45:15 by Rvw Reply

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  • It reminds me of that marketing campaign last year advertising that they had signed a great new player only for Sharkie to run out as the signed “player”.

    Another horrible investment by the Sharks in terms of player resources – I haven’t seen him take the field once in any of our matches :evil:

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.05.12 10:46:17 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 4) : If I remember correctly from John’s autobiography – it did look shaky and that the deal might not happen at all, so it wasn’t actually a play by Van Zyl then. Maybe it’s not a play now.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.05.12 10:47:34 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 6) :

    Quantity over quality !!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.05.12 10:50:31 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 6) : What if we sign Steyn and if arrives in pretty much the same condition as MJ? :evil:

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.05.12 10:52:49 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : FS is at least young, 2-4 weeks on a proper Sharks conditioning program and he will be good to go.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.05.12 11:00:40 by JJR Reply
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  • I remember an article discussing Steyn’s eligibility for Sharks superugby this year…i forgot will he be able to play knockouts or not?

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.05.12 11:02:12 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 15) : A player needs to be part of the original squad to be eligible to play in the playoffs if my memory is correct.

    That means that great Canadian Stormer will not be allowed to play in the playoff if there are any more great injuries to rule out the other loosies down there.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.05.12 11:04:07 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 15) :

    No, he won’t be eligible for play-offs..

    The requirement is 4 pool games if I remember correctly.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.05.12 11:04:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : Oh Heaven forbid!!!!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.05.12 11:09:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : Two reconditioning programs and he should be ready for Vodacom Cup :twisted:

    (I feel like I need to put in a disclaimer – I’ve always been a fan of Steyn and I hope we sign him)

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.05.12 11:20:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 16) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Thanks guys, probably better that way, Steyn probably won’t be in his best physical condition; and the backline now looks pretty well balanced.

    Where will steyn play? Either Whitehead or Ludik will have to drop out of the XV. Maybe Whitehead…and Bosman drops out thank goodness. Whitehead off the bench could be very effective.

    Lambie/Steyn/Jordaan combo…3 crazy talented stars playing together…could be very awesome!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.05.12 11:21:26 by JJR Reply
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  • Are we really that keen on signing Steyn.
    I hear he comes with baggage and can be a little prima donnaish.

    And where are we going to play him? 12 or 15?

    Would be a trajedy if he displaced Whitehead.
    Unless he plays 12 and Whitehead plays 13.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.05.12 11:22:49 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : It’s also a bit of a concern for me. Has he grown up or not. If he comes to the Sharks I really hope he has.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.05.12 11:24:01 by Ben Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 20) : If we could put in place a real rotation policy we could have close to the best (if not the best) options at center in the not too distant future.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.05.12 11:24:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 19) : Barely able to play in the Vodacom Cup.

    @John Galt (Comment 21) : Problem with that is that it would mean pushing Jordaan out. Don’t think it’s fair on either of these young players to be pushed out.

    Wasn’t it also one of the “conditions” that he only wanted to be considered as an inside centre?

    @Ben (Comment 22) : Judging from his long freaking locks before the World Cup last year I wouldn’t put my money on his maturing much!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.05.12 11:26:25 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 20) : How about we drop Jordaan to the bench and play Whitehead at 13. :twisted:

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.05.12 11:26:38 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    It is a big concern for me..

    Personally, I am not the greatest fan of the Steyn..

    He plays really well, and there is no denying the man has talent, and vision, but he just lacks the personality and the team-aspect that I admire in a player..

    I will back him fully should he come to Durban, but I would prefer him going elsewhere..

    I think he can only be a further disruption to our already unbalanced team.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.05.12 11:26:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 23) : Rotation policy probably the best… although Plum didn’t do such a great job at rotation with Smit and Bissie.

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : Have to agree with you there. Not the biggest fan of Steyn’s and admittedly a part of me was relieved when he decided to move on.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.05.12 11:28:27 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • I would love to have Frans back, a combo of Lambie, Frans and Paul will wreak havoc, I think! I will for sure be able to handle his “ego” (but as I have never met him, I cannot actually say I have facts about that), the problem would be if people would be able to handle us fans ego’s! :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.05.12 11:28:39 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) :
    Yip is a big concern of mine too.
    We could be paying a fortune for an overweight, unconditioned player with attitude problems.

    The first 2 can be dealt with but the attitude is critical.

    Just ask the Hurricanes re Weepu and Nonu etc.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.05.12 11:28:55 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 24) : Come on!

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.05.12 11:28:56 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 25) :

    Agreed..

    Whitehead the more rounded and experienced player at this stage..

    Jordaan has talent, but still needs to prove that he can play Super Rugby at the standard we require, consistently (something Whitehead has already proven so far this year)

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.05.12 11:29:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : :evil:

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.05.12 11:30:11 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : That’s just stirring, but he also didn’t show anything to prove that he hadn’t changed from the egocentric approach he had before he left.

    He likes to play by himself and forgets there are another 14 players on the field with him.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.05.12 11:32:36 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 32) : Don’t judge him on his hair. It means nothing.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.05.12 11:33:33 by Ben Reply

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  • He would be a good signing for the Kings as well .. Spreading the Bok talent around a bit :P

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.05.12 11:33:49 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 34) : Refer to Comment 33.

    @Zibbie (Comment 35) : I don’t think any team would be able to survive having the egos of both (P)uke and Steyn in one locker room!! :evil:

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.05.12 11:36:01 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 36) :

    hahah .. true :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.05.12 11:40:28 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 35) : Besides we could always donate MJ to spread the Boks around. No one said they had to fit and in form!

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.05.12 11:41:57 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Should we not give a guy the benefit of the doubt? We make assumptions without knowing the guy. Its so easy for confidence to be seen as arrogance. I am not saying that I am correct, I could be totally off the mark here. But the fact that I do not like a players looks or “attitude” (or what I think it is), should not really be a deciding factor of wether he is should be signed. Also, we all make mistakes, and if I was not given second chances in life, I don’t know where I’d be – I don’t know about you guys. Surely he deserves the same?

    If it turns out that nothing has changed, then, by all means, slag di ou!

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.05.12 11:42:01 by Ice Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 24) :
    If thats the case then Jordaan would have to drop to the bench.

    Whitehead is a natural 13 after all. Has played there all his life and has been the pick of the Sharks backs this season.
    Been brilliant in defence and attack.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.05.12 11:42:16 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 39) : I concur ;-)

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.05.12 11:42:54 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 38) :

    We already have Butch .. thanx you hahah :P

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.05.12 11:46:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 39) : Agree 100%

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.05.12 11:46:49 by Ben Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 42) : We just thought that someone else had to benefit from his no arms tackles :razz: :evil:

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.05.12 11:50:58 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 10) : NO dude, go back and check your facts again. The word player was never used. They said they had a new signing that was it. People all believed what they wanted to and felt a bit hard done by that they had been suckered. :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.05.12 11:51:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) : :lol: He’s my son’s favourite signing though!! :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.05.12 11:53:12 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) : Besides facts get in the way of a great argument :grin: :evil:

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.05.12 11:53:47 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 39) : And if he wasn’t someone you had the hots for? :razz:

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.05.12 11:59:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : Like Riaan Viljoen. :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.05.12 12:02:04 by Ben Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : Why if a woman have something to say about a guy that is generally accepted as good looking, does it have to be about hots or looks? Frans Steyn has never been in my “hots for” blackbook. Please give me some credit.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.05.12 12:07:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) : :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.05.12 12:19:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 50) : This is the 1st time that I’m aware of that something like that has been said on here so you can hardly make it a generalisation as you have. :shock:

    Did I hit a nerve?

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.05.12 12:22:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hands up everyone who thought that James Small was one of the greatest wings the Sharks have had. OK, how many of you with your hands up don’t want Frans to come back due to his perceived “attitude problems”…?

    The defense rests, m’lord…

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.05.12 12:24:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I for one really want Frans Steyn to come back to the Sharks. He can play 12 and just move Whitehead to 13 as that is his best position anyhow.

    If he does not come back to Sharks then would like to see Steyn at the Cheetahs. Just hoping it is Sharks he signs with. He was absolutely superb at inside centre during the wc.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.05.12 12:31:16 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 54) : To be honest, if the Sharks can’t afford Steyn there is no way in seven different kinds of hell that the Cheetahs will be able to afford him.

    If you look at the different franchises, the only teams who will be able to afford him (or close to it) are the Sharks, the Stormers or the Bulls.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.05.12 12:34:05 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 28) :

    Hey Ice! ;-)

    What about Whitehead??

    Hasn’t he been your best backline player this year??

    Does Jordaan deserve to start ahead of Tim based on performance??

    *Ek vra maar net*

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.05.12 12:34:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 29) : Did’nt they go to the Blues? (well named for this season) :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.05.12 12:36:05 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : Doubt he will be in the same bad shape as M. Joubert was. Remember he slotted in straight away with the Boks when he came back last year and he was proably our BEST player during the wc. Our chances dropped by a lot when he got injured before the quarter final.

    Every team in SA will want him to play for them. Probably every team from OZ and NZ would want Fransie. Frans Steyn is pure class. I really hope he comes back to the Sharks.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.05.12 12:39:13 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 58) : I think we probably have the best chance in SA. He has played for us before, his wife comes from Durban and he owns property in Durban. So logically, it makes sense for him to come to the Sharks.

    I want to be convinced.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.05.12 12:43:03 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : 100% valid question – even the sTeyn, Whitehead would be great!

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 52) : I was talking in general… You know I am a bra-burning tannie (hate it when people lable woman)…so in THAT sense u did hit a nerve, ja! :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.05.12 12:44:52 by Ice Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 58) : meant – probably. :oops:

    @Butchie34 (Comment 59) : Well that is how I am thinking too. He has enough here to keep him in Durban. BUT if any of the other Franchises make him a big offer he just may head off to one of them. Doubt he will ever play for the Bulls if what he said about them during the wc is anything to go by, but Stormers may try and get him. Really hope Sharks get him and not them.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.05.12 12:50:35 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 61) : I must have missed it – what did he say about the Bulls in the WC?

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.05.12 12:52:53 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 7) : I was thinking the same thing :lol:

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.05.12 12:55:31 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 7) :
    @Just a Fan (Comment 63) :

    It’s called having an opinion..

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.05.12 12:59:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : bit like comparing Caviar with snoek! Frans will need a bit of conditioning i reckon, but he is a freak of nature when it comes to rugby skills. Just look at the replays of the world cup games of last year….and racing metro were flaying this year until he returned from injury.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.05.12 13:00:24 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 21) : If we went on best player for the position Steyn would displace Whitehead easily!

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.05.12 13:02:29 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 35) : Siss! :sad:

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.05.12 13:04:55 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 62) : Can’t remember the exactly the words he used, but he said something about the Bulls players in the wc 07 team made him feel unwanted in the team. So he stood up for Lambie in this past wc as he was treated the same by the Bulls in 2007. Something like that. It was on News24 you could might be able to google it.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.05.12 13:06:43 by Puma Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 36) : Completely gobbed smacked that you would think that Steyn and Watson are alike! I am sure that you must be trying to stir the pot, because only stupidity would reason for that! :smile:

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.05.12 13:07:10 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 68) : the exactly the??? :roll: hehehe. Stupid english there…. :oops:

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.05.12 13:08:30 by Puma Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 40) : And your relationship with Whitehead is? Being a “natural 13″ and playing there “all your life” doesn’t give you the rights to the jersey or make you the best in that postition. I think that Steyn (12) and Pietersen (13) would make an awesome combo.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.05.12 13:09:44 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 64) : We have the same right then too – don’t ya think? :smile:

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.05.12 13:11:49 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 65) : Fransie is our best inside centre in South Africa. If we go on how he played during the wc as he was magnificent there. If we don’t sign him then Sharks are foolish.

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.05.12 13:12:00 by Puma Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 72) :

    Correct, but I am not attacking you personally, like you are doing in each of your comments above..

    I am merely raising my opinion.

    You have to realise that whatever is said about Frans Steyn is not a personal attack on you, so there is no need for you to attack any other opinion on here..

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.05.12 13:13:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Counting the chickens again?
    I am convinced he will go to the Free State, we are too confident, he will spring a surprise!

    What is the latast on Lambie’s injury?

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.05.12 13:14:03 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 58) : yeah – couldn’t have said it better. He will definitely be an ace for the June tests and Tri Nations.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.05.12 13:15:29 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 64) : so is mine..

    Seriosuly though…you seem to be stating your opinion as fact.
    Rich, we all have been told a couple of times on here, that unless you have met a guy that one cannot state something – especially if its personal and has nothing to do with his play. One set of rules for everyone on here.

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.05.12 13:15:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 74) :Sorry i re-read what you said and I still can’t find where you said “in my opinion”, but it did very come across as a statement. And honestly if you don’t like it being done to you then don’t do it to anyone else – even a rugby player.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.05.12 13:17:49 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 77) :

    I have met him Ice, and I am not stating anything as fact anywhere. I am merely pointing out what my thoughts are, and if you read on in the comments I followed up my opinion with other reasons.

    You, as you have met me personally, should know that I am not an egotistical person.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.05.12 13:19:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 75) : When it comes down to it – i will be happy that he is back in SA…..1st choice is Sharks for me obviously…but otherwise anywhere!

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.05.12 13:19:07 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 75) : LOVE your picture of Super Pat.

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 71) :
    Ya look, coming from a blogger who has Frans as his picture, i’ll take that ‘and your relationship with Whitehead is” chirp with a pinch of salt.
    Clearly you are entirely objective when it comes to Steyn.

    Whitehead and Lambie have without doubt been the best Shark backline players and I for one dont think that Frans would walk into this Sharks side. At 15 yes, but centre…perhaps not. If he did play 12, Whitehead would play 13.

    I think its been proven now once and for all that JP is not a 13. Wasnt bad but 14 is his position.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.05.12 13:24:45 by John Galt Reply

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  • @ Rich – my comment was aimed at the “ego” part of your comment. The fact that you are not a fan is your opinion, and you are fully entitled to it. Was merely trying to point out that you acnnot state without fact that he actually has an ego problem.

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.05.12 13:28:08 by Ice Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 76) : For sure.

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.05.12 13:31:28 by Puma Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 79) : it was a joke! Hence the smiley, Boet!

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.05.12 13:32:07 by Ice Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 82) : I did notice that you didn’t answer the question though! I have never made any bones about my support for Fransie, or Pat or JP or even Riaan Viljoen (see what bad coaching can do!)…just the virality of your attack against Frans and the punting of Whitehead left a question to be asked (and not answered)…

    Lambie and Whitehead have been great this year – I have no problem with Tim. Steyn is better though – and IMO i think JP will be better at 13 if he is allowed the chance.

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.05.12 13:35:11 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 69) : Are you Frans Steyn’s agent? It seems as though this whole debate has got you a little hot under the collar!!

    You need to realise that you need to actually stick to the debate and not attack the person making the comment!

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.05.12 13:41:41 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 87) : Not hot under the collar – just amased at the double standards….why can you make an attacking personal comment, but people can’t do it to you?

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.05.12 13:46:06 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 88) : I haven’t attacked anyone though.

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.05.12 13:48:47 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 89) : refer to your comment #36…. ;-)

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.05.12 13:52:02 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 86) :
    I have no relationship with Whitehead. I think he is a great player and has been a revelation at 12 for the Sharks.

    I just think we need to calm down a bit on the Frans hype. He sometimes is a bit full of himself.
    Look at how the Hurricanes are now performing after getting rid of Weepu and Nonu etc who, by all accounts, were a hugely disruptive force with the Canes which has followed them to the Blues.

    If he does come to the Sharks, he needs to prove himself here again, make sure he has the right attitutude if hes unconditioned etc etc. I am of the opinion that if he came back to Durban, he would battle to walk into the centre position simply because of the way TW has been playing.
    And if he did, TW would shift to 13.
    Jp had 6 games starting at 13, more than enough time to grow into the position. Doesnt have the necessary skill set for a great 13.

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.05.12 13:53:26 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 90) : and comment #24… :razz:

  • Comment 92, posted at 14.05.12 13:53:27 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 90) : HAHA. Who am I attacking personally?

  • Comment 93, posted at 14.05.12 13:54:16 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 91) : Which team has Steyn been a disruptive force in?

  • Comment 94, posted at 14.05.12 13:55:03 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 93) : umm..Frans Steyn…in #24 you said he is immature and in #36(and Luke Watson – but my double standards apply here :lol: ) you said something about an ego too large for the team – now you have just proved that you don’t like anyone saying that stuff about you so I would think that that would be a safe rule to use when saying stuff about other people.

  • Comment 95, posted at 14.05.12 13:57:23 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 91) : And which team has he played for has never done well because of him?

  • Comment 96, posted at 14.05.12 13:58:43 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 95) : It is my opinion but we can’t have an opinion we’ll just shut up because apparently we’re all idiots if we don’t share the same opinion as you

    PS. Amazed is spelt with a z and not an s ;-)

  • Comment 97, posted at 14.05.12 13:58:59 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 90) : I have to stick with Butchie here…there’s a smiley, meaning it was no personal attack, but said jokingly…?

  • Comment 98, posted at 14.05.12 14:03:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 98) : Yip, I like to think that I have control over my smileys and abbreviations and am not going to say that WTF means Well That’s Fantastic ;-)

  • Comment 99, posted at 14.05.12 14:06:18 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 94) :
    Ok boet, take a deep breath and count to 10.

    I never said he is a disruptive force. Read the post carefully.
    He is a hugely talented player who, by most accounts and autobiographies I have read recently, is extremely self confident which sometimes is seen as having an attitude.

    I am merely questioning this over zealousness to get him signed at all costs. Honest debate, no malice intended.

  • Comment 100, posted at 14.05.12 14:10:53 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 98) : No Emoticons in comment 24 or 36 at all actually -

  • Comment 101, posted at 14.05.12 14:11:48 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 97) : Um I think you’ve got your knickers in a knot – and quite clearly you don’t like anyone standing up to you.

  • Comment 102, posted at 14.05.12 14:13:04 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 100) : You repeatedly compared him to the situation with Weepu and Nonu…

  • Comment 103, posted at 14.05.12 14:14:19 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 95) : This is not the first time you’ve come on here with personal attacks on people when Frans Steyn is being debated. Doesn’t matter what anyone said, if he jumps into the fire will you jump along? Doesn’t make what you’ve done any less in the wrong. I don’t have much respect for you as you clearly don’t have much respect for others.

  • Comment 104, posted at 14.05.12 14:15:09 by Ben Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 100) : Don’t know one Taurus who doesn’t think they make the sun shine :grin:

  • Comment 105, posted at 14.05.12 14:15:36 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Anyhoo, this debate is going nowhere.
    Fast.

    Laters.

  • Comment 106, posted at 14.05.12 14:15:55 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 102) : Dude, I have no problem with people “standing up to me”, but I think you’ve got an attitude problem because you’ve taken exception to everyone who has had something negative to say about your beloved Francois Steyn and made personal attacks against other bloggers.

    I’ll happily debate any topic with anyone but you go personal immediately.

  • Comment 107, posted at 14.05.12 14:22:26 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • PS It’s Francois Steyn’s birthday today so happy birthday dude.

    @Just a Fan (Comment 105) : You probably already knew this and sent him a morning kiss ;-)

  • Comment 108, posted at 14.05.12 14:24:35 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Oh my what did I miss again? darn…..

  • Comment 109, posted at 14.05.12 14:34:20 by Uli Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 108) : BTW, if thats the case its also my dad’s 60th and my daughters 1st , no jokes :P

  • Comment 110, posted at 14.05.12 14:35:18 by Uli Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 101) : uhmm yeah there is..in 36, not 24 though. I would presume that comment was said with the fact that Steyn refcused to cut his locks at first when people was asking him too. But I am out of this one.

    Relax, just as much as we expect any player to take crit, we expect it from their fans too. Personal no, but otherwise they can crit away.

  • Comment 111, posted at 14.05.12 14:36:56 by Ice Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 109) : Dude, you missed one guy refusing to allow others an opinion.

    Happy birthday to your dad and your daughter. Hope they both have great days!!

  • Comment 112, posted at 14.05.12 14:37:21 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 111) : Thanks Ice. I have no problem someone disagreeing with an opinion but there’s no need to go personal ;-)

  • Comment 113, posted at 14.05.12 14:40:26 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 113) : Pot, kettle, black…if Ive picked up one thing around here its how personal, in the meanest ways, you can get with players….wishing someones takes baseball bats to some and some get driven into the sea.
    Not cool.

  • Comment 114, posted at 14.05.12 15:00:44 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 114) : I’ll cop to the driven into the sea one… but I have also apologised for that and I’ll say that I have never wished or stated that anyone should take a baseball bat to any player or person.

  • Comment 115, posted at 14.05.12 15:04:36 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Fransie Steyn can join the Sharks anyday, as long as he keeps his hair tidy and not in that Rat’s nest way it was pre WC 2011. :razz:

  • Comment 116, posted at 14.05.12 15:04:46 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 109) : Its the usual Monday oversupply of bitchiness, only difference is the Sharks won well as opposed to losing, or winning ugly, and the team is not fair game this week, so someone has to bear the brunt of the natural pent up frustrations that Sharks fans seem to have.

  • Comment 117, posted at 14.05.12 15:06:39 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Hey Rich – you can’t pick on Frans: he keeps his socks pulled up, so its perfectly all right then.

    Personally, I really hope he comes back to the Tank.

  • Comment 118, posted at 14.05.12 15:10:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 116) : Careful Jarson, down that path lies nothing but others accusing you of saying players should take a baseball bat to the knee!! ;-)

  • Comment 119, posted at 14.05.12 15:13:30 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 119) : Given the opportunity, I will take scissors to his hair though :twisted:

  • Comment 120, posted at 14.05.12 15:20:47 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 120) : :grin: I think he actually learnt the scissor move just before the World Cup last year and it helps that he’s getting married in June. Sure the wifey will make sure he’s presentable for the photos! ;-)

  • Comment 121, posted at 14.05.12 15:22:54 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 118) : I have apologised about Chadders. Just to be clear – I also did not say he WAS sloppy etc, I said it looked sloppy and gave the impression that he did not care. We were informed it was a personal superstition, and I have said I accepted that and was happy with that explanation and apologised. So stop stirring for shit – I am sure Rich is man enough to handle it by himself.

    But personally, I also hope he comes back to the Tank.

  • Comment 122, posted at 14.05.12 15:27:09 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 122) :
    Ok. Understand – so its fine to say that Frans LOOKS arrogant.

  • Comment 123, posted at 14.05.12 15:30:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 123) : Apparently that now crosses the “personal” line ;-)

  • Comment 124, posted at 14.05.12 15:31:24 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 123) : @Butchie34 (Comment 124) : oh!! And in jumps the pack! :lol:

    Fishy – I would say in my personal opinion, yes, he looks arrogant, but saying he IS, is too different things. Don’t you agree? One is opinion and other is stated as fact?

  • Comment 125, posted at 14.05.12 15:38:55 by Ice Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 112) : thanx bud :)
    @Salmonoid (Comment 117) : loool, pitty I missed it all, normaly have some good monday blues to contribute :)

  • Comment 126, posted at 14.05.12 15:39:02 by Uli Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 125) : Haha.

    Pretty soon, if we want to contribute anything we’ll need to either be a lawyer or have a lawyer on retainer so that everything is written in vague legalise. :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 127, posted at 14.05.12 15:41:15 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 127) : We have one….and he seems to always rubbish my opinions..

  • Comment 128, posted at 14.05.12 15:43:22 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 128) : Opinions are dangerous… they separate you from the rest of the mindless sheep! Last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourself. :lol:

  • Comment 129, posted at 14.05.12 15:44:48 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 129) : Quite frankly – I was just asking everyone to give Steyn a fair chance…instead (and may I add, just adhering to Rob;s cult) I am getting a hell of a lot more.. :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 130, posted at 14.05.12 15:46:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 130) : It’s a good ideal to have. But in defending the current players I have become a megalomaniac who wants to go into Durban with a baseball bat :lol:

  • Comment 131, posted at 14.05.12 15:52:04 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 131) : :lol:

  • Comment 132, posted at 14.05.12 15:54:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 131) : I’ve also learnt not to use sarcasm.

    Other than being the lowest form of wit, so many people don’t actually grasp it fully. ;-)

  • Comment 133, posted at 14.05.12 15:54:38 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 131) : Since when have you defended Marius Joubert – he is current, and a centre to boot.
    @Butchie34 (Comment 133) : Why so defensive?

  • Comment 134, posted at 14.05.12 16:07:46 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 134) : I didn’t defend Marius Joubert because he is/ should be our 6th choice centre. I was saying that we should back Whitehead and Jordaan – they’re CURRENT aren’t they?

    See it as defensive or not, I made the stupid comment about driving a player into the sea (and yes, it was your beloved Marius Joubert) and will cop to it. I saw it as a metaphor to get Marius Joubert to leave the Sharks because I don’t see his value in the setup. Do I regret making the remark? Of course.

    That is my opinion. I would rather have other players like Whitehead, Jordaan, Mjekevu, Williams or even Zeilinga out of position in our squad as they are our future and add more benefit in future years.

    Did I rate MJ in previous years? Yes, but I think that his form has really dipped and that our other younger players are better than him (even without his experience) and deserve a position instead of him.

    What more do you want to know?

  • Comment 135, posted at 14.05.12 16:19:36 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 117) : Now who has an oversupply of bitchiness?

  • Comment 136, posted at 14.05.12 16:31:32 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 135) : Just testing your grasp of my version of sarcasm in the current centre bit.

    Re MJ, I have absolutely no special views on him (my views may even be similar to yours) but he represents my team and just for that I will accord him and his teammates respect. Simple really, but thats me .

  • Comment 137, posted at 14.05.12 16:31:47 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 137) : No problem.

    When he’s on the field I support him and his team mates, but I do have an opinion and maybe I am too vocal in expressing my opinions.

    Haven’t you also questioned some of the decisions made by the Sharks and management? Maybe I’m just a little darker and harder in my assessments.

  • Comment 138, posted at 14.05.12 16:39:02 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 138) : I question many things, I get frustrated as hell at times but for some weird reason I believe that when it comes to posting on this site that some of the players / administrators may actually come here for a read and I dont see how burdening them with addittional sideshows can help their situation.

  • Comment 139, posted at 14.05.12 16:52:50 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 136) : Its Monday, its allowed. :twisted:

  • Comment 140, posted at 14.05.12 16:57:37 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Just to confirm . The rules has changed . No player who was registered after 1 April is allowed to play in the playoff’s . Only the 35 players registered by the union on that date is allowed to play in the playoff’s .

  • Comment 141, posted at 15.05.12 08:22:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • To play games with fan hearts is :evil: and :twisted:

    But i have faith he come back to the sharks :razz:

  • Comment 142, posted at 15.05.12 08:51:34 by chaz Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 141) : That rule could surely hurt the Stormers, they’ve lost so many loosies these last few weeks surely they must be looking for players way outside their original 35 by now?

  • Comment 143, posted at 15.05.12 10:26:24 by CS Reply

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  • Whitehead is solid and dependable and has grown significantly this past year… however, are we saying he is the best inside centre in the country at the moment? Better than DeVilliers even?

    Cos imo Frans Steyn is better than DeVilliers… he proved that at last year’s WC. Where despite not having had Superugby exposure and everyone having the same debate as they are now that he’ll be undercooked, he proved in a very short space of time at the WC that he should be our 1st choice Centre, and was heading that way until injury cut his WC short.

    So unless we are saying that Whitehead is better than DeVilliers, then sorry for him, Steyn is better and he deserves the 12 jersey. Of course he’ll have to prove he deserves his place, no coach worth his weight would surely allow it any other way (well… having said that :roll: ).

    Whitehead is good, as was Barrit, but neither are good enough imo.

    To say it’s unfair on Whitehead is crazy… if Whitehead’s the best then there’s no argument, otherwise “sorry for him”

    I feel many a player could take a leaf out of Hougaard’s book. He was blocked by one of the best 9′s ever, and instead of feeling sorry for himself he used his immense talent to show that he can also be one of our best wings too! Now there’s a player with the right attitude!

  • Comment 144, posted at 15.05.12 10:35:45 by CS Reply

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  • PS: If he had the right coach, like a Nick Mallet (or even John Mitchell – bearing in mind he’ll be without a job next year when the Lions are relegated), then Steyn’s alleged “ego” would never be allowed to be a problem

  • Comment 145, posted at 15.05.12 10:38:36 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 144) : frans steyn played against fiji, samoa…against wales’ jamie roberts he wasn’t so flash. they early try he scored was from fullback before jdv was injured. even wynand would look good against fiji, samoa, tonga, argentina, and the england team we beat 36 – 0.

  • Comment 146, posted at 15.05.12 10:48:05 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 146) :

    You and I agree on something?! No wonder it is raining in Durban!

  • Comment 147, posted at 15.05.12 10:49:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 147) : It ALWAYS rains in Durban :mrgreen:

  • Comment 148, posted at 15.05.12 11:12:14 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 148) :

    It never rains .. it pours

  • Comment 149, posted at 15.05.12 11:23:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 146) :

    AMEN!!! :twisted:

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