Richard Ferguson

Bok selection countdown – Centres


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 23 May 2012 at 09:00
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The Springboks host England in a three test series starting on 9 June 2012, with the first match taking place at our very own Mr Price Kings Park. We continue our series, looking at the potential midfield combination that our new coach, Heyneke Meyer, might select.

The biggest debates when it comes to the centre combinations, are whether the mercurial Frans Steyn will be selected at inside centre, and who will replace Jaque Fourie in the outside centre jersey. Should Frans Steyn be the chosen one in the 12 jersey, it will make Jean de Villiers available for either the 13 jersey, or potentially a wing jersey.

The competition for the 13 jersey is not such a fantastic one at that, with only Juan de Jongh having represented the Boks in this jersey of all the players left in country, forgetting for a moment that Zane Kirchner has a few caps at outside centre. Jean de Villiers himself could shift one over and form a centre combination with Steyn, but de Villiers hardly has game time in this position, yet I am sure he will make the best of it, and will also be a leader in a team lacking a captain at this stage.

Should coach Meyer opt to play Frans Steyn at fullback, Jean de Villiers will be the obvious choice for the inside centre jersey, with Juan de Jongh outside him. These two have played all season long for the Stormers, where their defence has made a stronger point for their inclusion than their attack.

Other players who could feature include Wynand Olivier, who has represented the Boks 34 times already, and the rest being long shots in Tim Whitehead, Andries Strauss and maybe even Robert Ebersohn. The gaping hole left by Jaque Fourie has opened the door to a youngster to stake a claim, and it will be interesting to see who the new coach backs in this role.

His other option, which I personally think is highly unlikely, would be to experiment with either Bryan Habana or JP Pietersen in midfield, both having had short stints in the position during the Super Rugby campaign. This, I feel, should be done only in case of an emergency, with other players being able to fulfil the role better than a makeshift centre.

Meyer’s probable picks:
12.Frans Steyn
13.Jean de Villiers

Ferguson’s form picks:
12.Jean de Villiers
13.Juan de Jongh



43 Comments

  • What is the deal with Frans Steyn anyway?

    I would go with Frans and JDV – provided Frans is actually fit, with De Jongh on the bench

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.05.12 09:07:20 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Pierre`s Picks:

    12. JdV
    13. Brian Habana

    That leaves Frans Steyn to earn his astronomical salary by winning us a CC.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.05.12 09:08:53 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 1) : I have heard nothing to suggest that the earlier stories about Frans joining the Sharks after the European season are not still true.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.05.12 09:08:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 2) : We are going to need a good kicker then because we surely won’t be scoring any tries with that combo

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.05.12 09:11:50 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : I read somewhere Steyn`s side are playing in a semi final or something this weekend.

    Lets hold thumbs they crash out.

    That way he could be with us in time for the all important Bulls clash . . . :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.05.12 09:12:58 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 5) : ja, cos hoping a team loses does a lot to improve your karma, hey? :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.05.12 09:16:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 2) : remember that the only way the Sharks (or any other SA team) would be able to afford to play those wages is with the help of a Bok contract from SARU. Seems a little unlikely that SARU would be contracting Steyn to play Currie Cup…?

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.05.12 09:17:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 5) : sounds like the same hopes some harboured for Clermont last year in the hope that MJ would come and rescue the sharks season…we know how that turned out.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.05.12 09:19:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • Rumours about Frans seem to be in the same league as the Kings situation – all unsubstantiated.

    So I guess that means Frans will play for the Kings next year :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.05.12 09:21:11 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    And the form of the player you are receiving improves dramatically should his team lose an all important play-off?!

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.05.12 09:22:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 8) :

    Bwahahahahahaha!!

    You used Marius Joubert and rescue in the same sentence!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.05.12 09:23:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : exactly :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.05.12 09:24:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don’t think JdV will be selected at 13.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.05.12 09:27:03 by Ben Reply

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  • You could add Jaco Taute’s name as a long shot.

    Or were you thinking about mentioning him when you do an article about the back 3?

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.05.12 09:36:28 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : My Karma has been shot to hell anyway so why pretend? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.05.12 09:45:10 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 14) :

    Me like :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.05.12 10:07:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I really disagree with your form picks. A big reason why the Stormers have not scored any tries this season is because neither of their centres pass the ball! I think JDV is too arrogant now and needs to move on and Juan only has 1 move, its a good move, but it is limited.

    I would definitely go for Frans at 12, he was the best 12 by far at both World Cups he has played in. No 13 is a tough one, I am very jealous of the All Blacks who have so many to choose from. JPP has proved himself enough there and would appropriately link with the wings.

    Orelando_G’s form picks:

    12 – F Steyn
    13 – JPP

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.05.12 10:07:21 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • Jean and Juan the form picks… pffft… That would mean that Heyneke plans to play an even worse brand of rugger than PdV or JW. Please go for FS and JdV.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.05.12 10:09:13 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 15) : LOL :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.05.12 10:24:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think Tim Whitehead and Paul Jordaan are the form SA centres at the moment…

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.05.12 10:26:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Does anyone know how quick Frans Steyn is? I remember him starting at 13 on an EOYT, think it was 2010. Maybe play JDV at 12 and Frans at 13. It would solve our 13 problem going forward.

    What about Peter Grant as an option at 12. Played with him at school and he was fantastic at 12!!

    The following combination would give us amazing defence and a backline with X-factor on attack!!

    10. Pat Lambie
    12. Peter Grant
    13. Frans Steyn

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.05.12 10:27:45 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 17) : According to Alan Zondagh it is because they keep the attacking ball too much in the forwards, and use the backs mainly as ruck attendants.

    However JDV has never really impressed me at 12. He has been good for the Boks at wing, so maybe 13 could work for him.

    JPP I have concerns about his front-on defense at 13 – seems to have a very awkward upright front-on tackling technique. He is getting back to his best at wing and that is where he should stay

    I would like Frans at 12 and JDV at 13 for now

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.05.12 10:33:31 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : I agree on that

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.05.12 10:34:54 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Its really not that difficult to pick the centres in my opinion. Frans Steyn wud be the automatic 12 pick but he is on a Paris vacation so then the 2 centres have to be De Villiers and DeJong. Yes Whithead,Jordaan,Ebersohn etc may have had afew decent games but you cant reall argue a starting place for any of them. Id love to see Peter Grant picked at 10 but i can settle for Morne Steyn who will be picked.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.05.12 12:55:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : I’d like to see Grant get a chance at 12. He’s got that Aaron Mauger aura about him. Calm and collected and he tackles like a machine!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.05.12 13:02:56 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 25) : I def wouldnt complain if that happened as im a fan of getting the best players on the field irrespective where they play, except for front row! But i cant see that being Meyer’s choice. But hey stranger things have happened…

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.05.12 13:10:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) :

    I disagree. JDV is shit on the wing. He was horribly exposed on defence playing wing. He came in of his wing countless time and left the outside exposed.

    We have more that enough quality wings and won’t need to resort to playing JDV on the wing. IMO

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.05.12 13:36:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : I said he had his best games for the Boks at wing in the past. Don’t want him on wing now – I meant he may be good at 13

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.05.12 13:48:49 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 28) :

    Everybody says that 13 is one of the most difficult positions to adapt to so I’m not really keen to play JDV out of position if we have other options.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.05.12 13:52:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : He has played at 13 at super level before – not for the Boks that I know of. The only other option with high level 13 experience is Juan. I won’t be upset with a Frans-Juan combo either

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.05.12 13:57:51 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • good choice in de jongh. would be nice to start including young guys like whitehead an jordan. de villiers is getting old.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.05.12 13:59:29 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 5) : I hope Racing do lose because I am supporting Toulon over Racing.

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.05.12 16:38:49 by lostfish Reply
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  • Super Rugby gets paused for 3 weeks while the Poms tour… Huh?? :???: :???:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.05.12 16:43:45 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 33) : Poms, Wales and Ireland

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.05.12 16:45:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : Daft.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.05.12 16:46:49 by klempie Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : *chuckles*

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.05.12 16:49:35 by klempie Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : I used to play wing – never got the ball and we always lost. Changed to 13, my buddy on the other wing scored 5 tries the next game, plus we won. Beautiful. All you need to do is tackle anything that moves, draw the defender and pass.

    Over simplified but it makes life lekker ;-)

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.05.12 16:51:03 by King Shark Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 32) : Imagine how motivated FS will be when he`s in the play offs for us later this year! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.05.12 16:51:26 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 36) :
    People who speak of themselves in the third person are nerds.

    But we have already established that about you, haven’t we? :wink:

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.05.12 16:53:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • What are the regulations for playing in the play-offs? I seem to recall a 4 regular season match requirement. Does that mean Frans has to play next week or else?

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.05.12 16:54:14 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 39) : *sigh* :smile:

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.05.12 16:54:45 by klempie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 39) : Let’s be serious though for just a second. This is seriously going to compromise the integrity of SH rugby. I mean all the SH teams regularly go to Europe and dish out lessons there. What’s going to happen when teams come here for 3 Test tours in the MIDDLE of the premier club-level competition in the world. NO preparation coupled with injuries and tired players. Not good.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.05.12 16:57:32 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 42) :
    Its all about the revenue. We all knew before the season started that this new ultra-long SR tournament was too long.

    I’d hate to lose the mid-year Tests, but don’t mind less SR games.

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.05.12 17:21:38 by Big Fish Reply
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