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Final Bok planning group announced


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 24 May 2012 at 08:35
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Heyneke Meyer has announced a squad of 42 players that will take part in a fourth and final planning camp, ahead of their opening test match against England on 9 June.

The camp will take place in Durban on Sunday 27 May and Monday 28 May, before the players return to their respective franchises to prepare for the final weekend of Super Rugby before the break.

Injured player were not taken into account for this camp, but Meyer did say that he would be in contact with the franchises regarding the status of these players.

Players in the squad worth mentioning include Pat Cilliers, Adriaan Strauss, CJ Stander, Keegan Daniel, Josh Strauss, and amongst the backs Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Elton Jantjies, JJ Engelbrecht and Jaco Taute.

Forwards (22): Coenie Oosthuizen, Tendai Mtawarira, Dean Greyling, Jannie du Plessis, Pat Cilliers, Werner Kruger, Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Flip van der Merwe, Eben Etzebeth, Andries Bekker, Juandré Kruger, Marcell Coetzee, CJ Stander, Heinrich Brüssow, Keegan Daniel, Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, Josh Strauss.

Backs (20): Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Piet van Zyl, Morné Steyn, Pat Lambie, Elton Jantjies, Peter Grant, Wynand Olivier, Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, JP Pietersen, Gio Aplon, Lwazi Mvovo, Akona Ndungane, Zane Kirchner, Jaco Taute, Joe Pietersen.



72 Comments

  • What is the official maximum size of a test squad – 30? Or does that just count for traveling games

    I am surprised not to see Kolisi amongst the loose forwards though

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.05.12 08:50:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ha! Where’s KSA?? Didn’t he say he doubt if Keegan and Deysel would make the camp??

    When I spread rumours, I spread GOOD ones… :wink: :lol:

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.05.12 08:51:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 2) : I think he meant the final squad.

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.05.12 08:55:36 by Ben Reply

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  • Interesting to see Akona in and not Odwa. I reckon that that’s down to lack of gametime this year for Odwa due to his injuries and Akona has really come back into form this year. He looks very quick again!

    Interesting to see that Sadie hasn’t been included. Very useful looking squad!

    @Ice (Comment 2) : Any idea about why foreign players haven’t been included. BJ Botha and Ruan Pienaar have both been looking good in the Heineken Cup and their competition is over now isn’t it?

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.05.12 08:57:12 by ChrisS Reply
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  • wynand ??????????

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.05.12 08:58:49 by MJ Reply

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  • is Frans steyn still busy up north

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.05.12 08:59:22 by MJ Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 3) : Nope – he said the final “camp”

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.05.12 08:59:40 by Ice Reply
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  • @MJ (Comment 6) : Wondering the same thing about Muller, Botha, Van de Merwe and Pienaar.

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.05.12 09:00:19 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 4) :
    @MJ (Comment 6) :

    These are only Super Rugby players..

    Other players not included due to other commitments and their seasons not being officially over..

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.05.12 09:00:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 7) : Yes well you didn’t specify how many players will be selected for the final ‘camp’.

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.05.12 09:01:54 by Ben Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : Ok. I thought that the Heineken Cup Final was the last fixture. Any idea when they’ll be released for international duty?

    I’d like to see Botha in in place of Jannie. Surprised that Kolisi and Elstadt haven’t been included. We need a big blindside/lock and Elstadt fits the bill!

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.05.12 09:04:35 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Everybody is making a fuss about Matfield not being able to play – but think of it Johann Muller may not be a bad choice to bring back for the tests. He has made the planetrugby Heineken Cup 15 of the tournament

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.05.12 09:04:53 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : I think so too. Also a captaincy option for the short-term.

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.05.12 09:06:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 10) : huh?nou wat het dit met di argument uit te waai?

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : neither of which will be in this reduced squad IMO.
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  • Comment 14, posted at 24.05.12 09:06:15 by Ice Reply
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  • Definites for the final squad in my opionion:

    Beast, Jannie, Bismarck, Chilyboy, Bekker, Flip, Etzebeth, Brussouw, Alberts, Spies, Hougaard, Morne, Lambie, JDV, De Jongh, Habana, JPP, Aplon

    Very likelies:
    Werner Kruger, Juandre Kruger, Marcel Coetzee, Stander, Vermaak, Basson, Mvovo, one of Coenie / Greyling, Ndugane

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.05.12 09:20:24 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Forwards=Great! Backs- what the hell is Olivier, JJ and A.Ndungane doing there? Lekka Biased from probably Ricardo. Whitehead/Jordaan combo should’ve have made it, cos since they have been paired together the stats will tell us all they have been the best centre pairing in South Africa, if not the whole comp the last 3 weeks.

    If i see Olivier or JJ pull on a Bok jersey i will be properly ticked off. Hopefully Olivier and JJ don’t make the final group and that Lambie, JPP and Habana can be backup centre’s. Very Chuffed Piet Van Zyl got the call, too, great young scrummie!

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.05.12 09:20:48 by JJR Reply
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  • Some highly possibles:
    Taute, Joe Pietersen

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.05.12 09:23:32 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 16) :

    Whitehead has seen half of a good season, and Jordaan only three games.. Hardly evidence to put them into Bok contention. Whitehead of the two deserves it more, especially ahead of Engelbrecht and Sadie (Oh wait, wunderkid never made it)

    But neither of them will feature once the squad is whittled down anyway..

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.05.12 09:24:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Nice mix.

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.05.12 09:26:08 by lostfish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 16) : “if not the whole comp the last 3 weeks.”

    Have you watched the whole comp dude? Jordaan only played the last 3 or so games. Please clear that one up for me?

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.05.12 09:29:53 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 20) :

    The time he spent for playing Vodacom Cup and his training sessions with the Baby Boks put him in clear first place to take the Bok 13 jersey..

    Did you not see this Ben?? ;-)

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.05.12 09:31:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : Thanks Rich!

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.05.12 09:34:18 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 21) : No must have missed it with MJ ruling the roost in the Sharks XV backline. :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.05.12 09:34:40 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 22) :

    Good info Ice.. well done on that article..

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.05.12 09:36:32 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 14) : Don’t shoot the messenger. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.05.12 09:37:04 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 23) : Or should I say Drooling the roost? :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.05.12 09:39:17 by Ben Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : Who said Sadie was a wunderkind? Understand your point, but if i asked you now if you were the coach would you rather have a Olivier/JJ centre combo or a Whitehead/Jordaan combo? @Ben (Comment 20) : I said in the last 3 weeks they have been the best centre pairing in South Africa, and not far off for the whole comp…”THE LAST 3 WEEKS” Olivier and JJ have been average throughout, especially Olivier.

    Can’t believe people still don’t believe in what Jordaan can offer The Boks…def. more than JJ can.

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.05.12 09:48:05 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 27) : Thanks for clearing that one up. ;) Your comment came across wrong.

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.05.12 09:50:10 by Ben Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 27) :

    W ejust don’t buy into unsubstantiated hype..

    I would have neither of those combinations as thye Bok centre pairing, because we have JdV, JdJ and Frans Steyn, all three offer so much and more in the Boks midfield.

    I agree that JJ doesn’t deserve to be there any more than Tim and Jordaan, but he has no chance of playing anyway..

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.05.12 09:50:34 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) : 100% agreed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.05.12 09:55:08 by Ben Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) : Agree Whitehead/Jordaan not starting centre combo…but for the 3rd test once we have one the first 2 ;-) Would much rather see a Whitehead in the team in place of crappy, predictable Olivier. Jordaan is a better squad option than JJ and Sadie. Jordaan would be awesome off the bench. Jordaan will be Bok number 13 before end of 2013, as i said over a month ago. ;-) Go Timmy en Paul!! :smile:

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.05.12 09:55:23 by JJR Reply
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  • Love it when people disagree with me; just better when i’m proved right :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.05.12 09:57:20 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 31) : Just be patient boet..

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.05.12 09:58:26 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 33) : Patient 4 what? Got till end of next year…it’s gonna happen.

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.05.12 10:01:07 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 31) : I fully believe Jordaan will grow into something special but its far too early for him. He’s only just cracked the SR squad. Patience is the virtue of the day.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.05.12 10:02:22 by Ben Reply

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  • Bjorn Basson :shock: :shock: :shock:
    Enough said…..

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.05.12 10:03:32 by Uli Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 31) :

    I’m not denying the bloke has talent, heaps of it in fact..

    But you cannot expect him to just waltz into the first Bok squad announced since he started playing Super Rugby..

    I hope, no I wish you are right about Jordaan, because that will mean he will be in amazing form for the Sharks in the 13 jersey, culminating in a Bok call up before the end of next year..

    So don’t get me wrong, what I am saying is that he needs a little more time, and he will great. Pushing him in now might just break him..

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.05.12 10:09:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 34) : End of 2013. @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) : Not saying he must start or something, i’m just saying he is better than JJ, so don’t know why the hell a guy who has a position crisis and can just run straight and hard gets a call up. Jordaan wasn’t called up to initial planning camp, so that makes it a bit more understandable, but by next year Jordaan must be in contention for a spot in the Bok 22 for next years Rugby Championship, IMO. JDV can’t go to the next world cup, so he should fall out after this year, So centre’s to take us forward, IMO should be Steyn, JDJ, Whitehead and Jordaan.

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.05.12 10:15:12 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) : Any idea why Elstadt isn’t included?

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.05.12 10:17:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 39) : Because Heyneke Meyer is Head Coach.. :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.05.12 10:18:19 by Ben Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 39) :

    No idea..

    Probably as he has been playing flank (which he really is) and we have plenty of those going around..

    He won’t make it as a lock either, as there are better locks and he hasn’t been playing there either..

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.05.12 10:19:34 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 40) : Surely Elstadt should be there ahead of CJ Stander. Seeing as Elstadt can play lock as well. But wait, isn’t he injured??

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.05.12 10:20:14 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : End of 2013 ;-) Was patient…WTH did it take so long to get Jordaan in there…i find it no coincidence that our backline started firing when Jordaan came into the side. Plum did the same with Pat(took a bit long), pat came in and all of the sudden we hit a winning streak, same is happening with Jordaan in combination with Beast.

    Bit off topic here, I can see Bosman skipping Jordaan all day and the ball going to Pat coming into the line…Bosman really needs to learn when to not skip pass, else Jordaan won’t get much ball this weekend. 2nd half i would move Bosman to 10, Lambie 12 and Ludik/Ndungane comes into the 15 position.

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.05.12 10:21:55 by JJR Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 39) : Don’t know…i mean he gives versatility and at 7 he’s kinda like Juan Smith and IMO he’s a better 4 than Flip aswell…so that’s wierd.

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.05.12 10:25:09 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 42) :

    Not yet ;-)

    Elstadt is playing this weekend, and I agree that he is more flexible in term of being a lock backup and loosie backup.

    The problem I have with that, is that he is not spectacular in any of the two positions, so rather go with full on expertise in a position, than mediocrity in two positions.

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.05.12 10:25:44 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 45) : Just feel he’s a better flank than CJ and he can play lock as a added bonus. That’s all. Doesn’t really matter as CJ will fall out in any way.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.05.12 10:28:38 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 40) : Yup…he said he would’nt be biased and select on performance, but clearly that is not the case with some of his selections…I was believing Heyneke would be fair, but doesn’t really look like it.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.05.12 10:29:11 by JJR Reply
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  • Really pleased to see Keegan and Deysels name there.

    Now WHAT message do we at the Sharks send to Meyer by not selecting Deysel this week? We may have ruined his chances. Hope not.

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.05.12 10:31:08 by Puma Reply

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  • Heyneke could Put the Lions backline behind the current selected forwards and we would still pump England :lol: Our Forwards are miles ahead of the competition.

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.05.12 10:32:03 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) :

    Rich your a legend !!! Man this is what ive been saying all season . This guys are good . but give them chance to settle as well

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.05.12 10:32:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 48) : It could if we don’t see Deysel next week; i think we need Deysel in there somewhere…his fetching abilities for a big 7 gives Heyneke some other options. Especially when Tri-Nations (with practice match against Argentina ;) ) comes around…the way the Boks play well, we often slow down opposition ball and kick them back into there own 22 once we turn it over(although i would run it :smile: ), imagine Deysel-7 Brussouw-6 and Bissie-2…NZ and Aus are not gonna get great ball from the breakdown…that’s for sure.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.05.12 10:37:25 by JJR Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 50) : Before end of 2013 ;-) Dis ‘n lank tyd mense!

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.05.12 10:39:37 by JJR Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 50) :

    Thanks man.. I try ;-)

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.05.12 10:39:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 51) : Deysel and fetching abilities do not belong in the same sentence IMHO!

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.05.12 10:41:16 by Ben Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 51) : Yeah Deysel brings something else when playing at 7. He does do quite a bit of fetching and his defence is rock solid. Really feel disappointed that Plum left him out this week.

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.05.12 10:42:18 by Puma Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 31) :

    thats what people said about Sadie … just 2012 …

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.05.12 10:48:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 56) :

    Sadie staan nie ‘n kansie..

    Yip, that just happened ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.05.12 10:48:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 52) :

    I mostly referring to the hype around John Sadie we had . He would have been the Bok center some time in 2012 or something like that ..

    If he does a Goosen and gets injured ever second week he wont be anywhere near the Bo squad .. so saying anybody will be anything is a bit far fetched .

    im not even sure what ill be having for dinner tonight …

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.05.12 10:50:24 by Zibbie Reply
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  • oh .. and No luke Watson :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.05.12 11:00:52 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Really hope Taute, Pieterson & Lambie outplay side-show Bob! He’s a solid SR player but never really stepped up at Bok level.

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.05.12 11:56:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • F@cking meisiekind!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.05.12 15:13:56 by Quintin Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 44) : Agreed!!! I saw him on the bench covering lock and flank…the next Danie Rossouw! He’s more mobile than Flip and also more aggressive!

    Imagine bringing off Etzebeth at 50 minutes and you put on Elstadt!!! :shock:

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.05.12 15:30:16 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Surprises:

    Daniel
    Deysel
    Van Der Merwe (however there are not many more options)
    Mvovo

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.05.12 18:27:21 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Great to see Coenie and Pat there…

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 63) : you still on your anti-Mvovo kick?

    Give it up, mate… if you weren’t already looking just a little bit silly with it, you’re now coming across a prize chop

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) :

    Aye guy…get over yourself…it’s an opinion…
    I don’t rate him and that’s that…like it or not…
    Just as much as I don’t rate Van Rensburg (the Lions number 11) and even said more negative things about him…and van rensburg has made more line brakes and has defended better so statistically a better wing…

    So get over it…you are being a prize chop…and a childish one at that…

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.05.12 18:36:50 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Robert Eberson can count himself unlucky to lose out to JJ Englebrecht…Eberson has been very good for a few seasons…in my view in comparison even offering more than De Jongh…Robert better in defense (tackle and steals a lot of ball)…and very good with ball in hand too…

    But JJ and Juan have a lot to offer and Meyer knows how he can use that…

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.05.12 18:40:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 66) : van Rensburg is the Lions number 14! :roll:

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.05.12 18:40:16 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 68) :

    He played 11 more esp when Coetzee was on wing…

    I think unlucky wings are Camreron Jacobs and Willie Le Roux…

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.05.12 18:48:19 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I am really glad to see Tendai back…and he has been on song since his return….

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.05.12 18:49:51 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I do believe Ashley Johnson deserved a call ahead of Keegan and Deysel….

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.05.12 18:50:48 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) :

    Oh yeh…by the way…did you only read 1 name there?

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