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Eligibility scandal rocks KZN schools


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, School Rugby on 25 May 2012 at 09:08
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A proper storm is erupting through the schoolboy rugby world in KwaZulu-Natal, with at least two prominent players found to be drastically over-age for the competitions they’ve been playing in.

While details are sketchy, Sharksworld has managed to confirm from various sources that both former DHS fullback Mbembe Payi and current Glenwood winger Siyabonga Tom are way older than their (clearly falsified) ID books would have you believe. Payi, who represented KZN at Craven Week level in both 2010 and 2011 is believed to be 22, while Tom, a matric pupil this year, is apparently a similar age (if not a year older). With the latter having represented both SA Schools and the Sharks under 19 side last year, despite being (at least) 21 years old at the time, the repercussions could be serious indeed.

Parents and fellow scholars across the school landscape are understandably enraged at the revelation, due to legitimate concerns about the safety risks posed by grown men posing as schoolboy rugby players; what’s more, the feeling is that these ineligible players have taken away valuable opportunities for other players to gain representative honours for their schools and province.

The talk is that these two players may be just the tip of a very large and unpleasant iceberg and we believe that an external firm has been called in to do a thorough background check on all first team rugby players at prominent schools across the province. Questions will obviously be asked of headmasters and sports directors at these schools, because it’s implausible that a widespread fraud of this nature could have been committed without some complicity (or, at best, complacency) from the schools themselves. At the very least, fingers will need to be pointed at the recruitment practices followed by top KZN schools, with little diligence seemingly being done on players recruited, mostly, from schools in the Eastern Cape.

There’ll be far reaching consequences here, of that you can be sure. We’ll keep you updated on what we hear as this sorry tale continues to unfold.



138 Comments

  • I’m stunned!

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.05.12 09:12:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • This sucks! It doesn’t really surprise me, but it’s so bloody unfair on the other guys.

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.05.12 09:12:50 by PTAShark Reply

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  • I was at school in northern Natal, and there were a few times where we’ve thought that the guys can’t be close to 18. Too much muscle and beard for so young. And that was 10 years ago!

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.05.12 09:15:12 by PTAShark Reply

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  • What a disgrace!

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.05.12 09:19:21 by Ben Reply

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  • We used to have this problem back in the nineties in mini rugby leagues. It was a constant (and embarrasing having to tell the lad he could’nt play) problem. As coaches and managers we tried to resolve it as quietly as possible but invariably some parents would get vocal and cause scenes.I’m disappointed though that it is so blatant in premier schols. I mean 22 in Matric? Please.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.05.12 09:21:48 by Caratacus Reply

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  • Not surprising!! The captain of the U14 SA soccer team a few years back was 19 or 20! Wish they’d give these guys 3 or 4 year bans from rugby to teach them a lesson about cheating!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.05.12 09:26:46 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 4) : Agreed!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.05.12 09:27:22 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 6) : 3 or 4 years? Ban them forever!

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.05.12 09:28:52 by Ben Reply

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  • This is a sad day for rugby in general…and as Rob said there will be far reaching consequences…for many parties, not just the quilty.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.05.12 09:29:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 8) : 3 or 4 as a minimum. Some kids get registered late by their parents without actually knowing how old they are so it might not be the fault of these guys.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.05.12 09:33:26 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Utterly disgraceful.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.05.12 09:35:15 by lostfish Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 10) : They had falsified ID’s..

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.05.12 09:35:42 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 12) : hang on – we don’t actually know that for a fact (I said “presumably” in the article).

    Regardless of whether the kids in question were complicit in this or not, to my mind they have all been tainted and shouldn’t be allowed to play the game again, at any level.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.05.12 09:38:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 12) : The IDs might be genuine. What happpens is that the kid gets born but not registered at birth…the mom then takes the kid along to register him/her when she feels like it (possibly a year or 4 later).

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.05.12 09:39:52 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Okay sorry.

    They know exactly how old they are. Should be banned for life.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.05.12 09:41:00 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 12) : @robdylan (Comment 13) : I’m saying that the fault may lie with the parents and that the guys might not be guilty.

    If you get told something by your parents all of your life then you believe it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.05.12 09:41:33 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 14) : Oh I see..

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.05.12 09:41:42 by Ben Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 10) : This used to happen years ago – however, if these kids are at top schools like these, birth certificates etc are required but the big thing is, the teachers and other kids would know in a short while they are way older than their “certicate/ID book” states. I have to agree with Rob, there looks like collusion here although unprovable.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.05.12 09:42:09 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 16) : You would have to be retarded to believe you are 4 years younger than you actually are..

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.05.12 09:43:30 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Not always the kid’s (man’s) fault as ChrisS pointed out as a lot of the parents do register their children late, either deliberately or out of ignorance.

    I say let’s wait for details to come out before we crucify these guys. I definitely don’t agree with what happened and a thorough investigation needs to take place.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.05.12 09:45:02 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Caratacus (Comment 18) : Disagree! You believe that you’re a certain age but are just bigger than everyone else.

    Dwayne Johnson (The Rock..actor and wrestler) was 6ft 5″ in grade 8 and people at his school thought he was an undercover cop. Some people are just genetically bigger and faster. You don’t always know!

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.05.12 09:45:52 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 21) : Tom isn’t even particularly big for a schoolboy…

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.05.12 09:48:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 19) : Nope!! There are people in this country (I went to high school with them and they were amongst the top achievers) who believe that the Palestinians were subjected to nuclear attacks by the Americans and hate America with a passion!! It all depends on how you’re raised and what you’re led to believe!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.05.12 09:50:20 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Even more reason for him to believe that he was the right age!

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.05.12 09:51:27 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 23) : Let’s compare apples to apples. You just compared a apple to a banana..

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.05.12 09:55:04 by Ben Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 21) : Chris, I did’nt mean the kids themselves – I’m talking about their peers and teachers etc. We dealt with this problem years ago in the 90′s in junior leagues finding a kids or anyones true year of birth is not difficult. In the 70′s I spent a lot of time identifying rural residents ages for pension reasons in farming communities in the old Transvaal where they had NO paperwork at all.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.05.12 09:56:36 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 23) : that’s enough on that subject, though. Please :)

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.05.12 10:03:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Caratacus (Comment 26) : ja man – these days you just have to check their parents’ Facebook timelines :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.05.12 10:04:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : @Ben (Comment 25) : I’m just saying that you can be lead to believe anything, especially if your parents are the ones telling you :mrgreen:

    @Caratacus (Comment 26) : I get what you’re saying. I know one of the teachers at Glenwood though and they honestly had no idea.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.05.12 10:06:43 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : :grin:

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.05.12 10:07:05 by ChrisS Reply
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  • WTF. :shock:

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.05.12 10:13:34 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • I wonder why Megatron did not say anything – he knows all there is to know about the EC guys. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.05.12 10:14:53 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : BWAHAHA – goodone!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.05.12 10:25:33 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : The plot thickens!! :grin:

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.05.12 10:26:48 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 29) : If it’s one or 2 years yes maybe but not 4 years. Surely the kid knew he was too old. Come on!

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.05.12 10:27:56 by Ben Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : Hahahahahahahahaha touche :grin:

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.05.12 10:31:10 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : Will have to hear the details of the investigation before we know more. Can’t judge anyone without all of the facts. Not saying I like the situation, just trying to be fair to everyone involved.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.05.12 10:32:08 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 37) : :cool:

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.05.12 10:33:55 by Ben Reply

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  • Off the topic, does anybody have an opinion as to why Kano is in the Bok camp and not Elstadt??

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.05.12 10:36:48 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Heard this yesterday and I was reading the SA Rugby and I took a proper look at Tom,he definitely looks quite matured,two years ago he was playing Grant Khomo and he was already too old for Craven Week,hell he should’ve been in his last year of junior rugby at 21,it’s another thing to say they should be banned for a few years,where are going to play their rugby after this? Are they still scholars at their respective schools?

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.05.12 10:43:31 by Ludz Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 39) : Kanko? Meyer rates him…

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.05.12 10:44:18 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 40) : I believe Tom has left Glenwood

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.05.12 10:47:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 40) : Ludzi, imo IF they are guilty of fraud (as this sounds like it could be) why the hell should they be able to play?

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.05.12 10:49:35 by Ice Reply
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  • I remember the post-matric days, when I had to endure playing against the likes of Brent Liebenberg, Nico Breedt, it was never a fair contest, as these okes just sat in the gym 24/7. Pathetic really to think they allowed these types of contests, never mind the fact that those big schools did not have the balls to field normal school 1st teams sides.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.05.12 11:02:26 by Uli Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 43) :completely agree with you,should be lifetime bans for both,both are boys from the EC,really giving us a bad tag,men playing amongst boys,they aught to be ashamed of themselves

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.05.12 11:03:00 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 45) : Agreed.

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.05.12 11:03:33 by Uli Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : no, these schools were so desperate to poach them they went along with the charade! :twisted: i will call up theo pieterse the headmaster & coach of Itembelihle high school and find out what the real story is.

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.05.12 11:04:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 47) : please do mate… would be very good to understand what happened here, because a number of the boys concerned apparently came from Itembelihle

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.05.12 11:32:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • Wow! I’m more than just a little bit shocked! :shock:

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.05.12 11:48:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The rugby agency, Union Sports Group who represent Tom may also need to be held responsible.

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.05.12 11:49:28 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 50) : I’ve asked their man in Durban for comment

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.05.12 11:56:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 47) : I doubt you will get too much from him, or anyone in the know for that matter, as it would surely imply complicity in the whole sordid affair.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.05.12 12:31:55 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I’ve just looked…Tom is still on their website, with birthdate of Nov 1994… so according to that he is still 17…turning 18 in Nov..thats more like 5-6 years than 3-4.. :cry:

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.05.12 12:41:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 53) : they also look after Marne Coetzee, another controversial figure in school boy rugby in 2012.

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.05.12 12:44:01 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 54) : elaborate?

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.05.12 12:48:13 by Ice Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 54) : @Ice (Comment 55) : Oh – found it..

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.05.12 12:51:42 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 55) : not sure if you remember but at the beginning of the season Glenwood withdrew the prop before the Westville game because of an issue regarding his eligibility.

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.05.12 12:54:10 by slammerboy Reply

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  • My question is….How the *&%?? do the sports administrators at the different schools not seem to know about this?? As someone previously commented “It is keeping a legitimate player with potential out of the team”.
    The same is to be said about players who are under age and play in teams above their respective age groups…. as was the case with last years Craven Week team where there were players who were still only 15 years old and played for the u/18 Craven week….. why did they not play in the u/16 team…. Once again it kept potential players out…. who will inevitably be lost forever to South Africa rugby!
    My suggestion is that you get rid of coaches, administrators and daddy’s who fast track certain kids because of parents influence… Take it or leave it!!

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.05.12 13:04:56 by Kaygee Reply

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  • @Kaygee (Comment 58) : I can still understand boys punching above their weight. Don’t we all call for the youngsters in the Sharks to be given a chance on the “if they are good enough, they are old enough” statement…? Or is it a case when it suites the people involved and their fans / families?

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.05.12 13:15:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @Kaygee (Comment 58) : in all honesty and in my opinion, and logic tells me, that if a 15 year old plays better rugby than a 18 year old and gets a spot above the 18 year old – surely the 18 year old then does not REALLY deserve the honour, as he is not the best player…?

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.05.12 13:19:14 by Ice Reply
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  • Disgusting to learn this a year down the line, i sympathise with all those young ,legal school boys fighting for their chance to represent Natal and or SA Schools, you have been cheated not only by the system of previously disadvantaged , but also the system of fraud and corruption, i pity the schools involved and look forward to seeing a public apology from the headmasters of the schools responsible, as i am sure they knew. The sport does not deserve this type of dishonesty.

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.05.12 13:19:20 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @Honestly (Comment 61) :

    Welcome to the site dude..

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.05.12 13:29:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • School “boys” have their own agents now?

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.05.12 13:31:47 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Honestly (Comment 61) :
    Cheated by the system of “previously disadvantaged”?

    What are you on about?

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.05.12 13:44:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 64) : narrows eyes…

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.05.12 14:57:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : hahahahahahaha! WAPA!

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.05.12 15:06:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Big Fish, a player with a previously disadvantaged background has an advantage over any talented and aspiring young sportsman,no matter how good or bad they might be, take away the quota system.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.05.12 15:20:07 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @Honestly (Comment 67) : you’re new here, so we’ll give you a chance.

    Please go and read the rules of the site. We do not discuss matters of race here.

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.05.12 15:23:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 66) : LOL :)

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.05.12 15:23:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • While Playing club Rugby in KZN during the late 80′s and early 90′s and also while reffing we had more than one occasion where a non-previously disadvantaged player was caught intentionally having falsified documents to qualify for u/21 rugby.

    @Honestly (Comment 67) : :???:

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.05.12 15:31:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • well if we avoid the fact, then where we going in this world, we have lived a generation through the schooling system and we still worry about the racial sensitivities of individuals, all i am saying is that perhaps they need to look at how they choose players on performance and merit and not on on the quota system anymore.the world would be a better place.

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.05.12 15:33:56 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) :

    What on earth is a “non-previously disadvantaged” player? Could it be a “currently disadvantaged” player ? :shock:

    LOL

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.05.12 15:42:49 by Pedantic Reply

     
  • It also affects the Sharks rugby union, they offered Tom a contract based on his performances at the Easter festival. Now there’s a big difference between a schoolboy player who genuinly has talent and one that is managing to out class his opponents because he is actually 3 years older than them. Will he make the step up to senior rugby? who knows…

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.05.12 15:42:52 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) :

    Can we not just say “black” or “white” ? What the hell?

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.05.12 15:43:13 by Pedantic Reply

     
  • @CapeShark (Comment 73) : that’s right he was given a Sharks Academy bursary. If he’s allegly 23 then he’s over 5 years older than his opponents!

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.05.12 15:45:47 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @ice I agree fully with what you are saying regarding giving the young guns an opportunity. What I was on about is the fact that younger players (especially at school level) are making senior teams because of the influence of parents….. and I don’t think that is right.
    It really is a great pity when great players are being disadvantaged by the system and previously disadvantaged excuses!!!

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.05.12 15:46:16 by Kaygee Reply

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  • @Honestly (Comment 71) : The point is, just like the guy who mentioned the middle east crises above, race and politics send people into a tail spin. And most of the users on this site want to discuss rugby, not the political baggage that comes with it. We’ll be here all day wailing and gnashing our teeth, and frankly we’ve all got better things to do.

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.05.12 15:47:50 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Kaygee (Comment 76) : ahh ok – I get u! So its not that they are infact better, but being pushed to the top with influence – then I am right with you!

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.05.12 15:51:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark , i hope they were dealt with very harshly, nothing worse than a cheat in sport.

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.05.12 15:53:50 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) : Most of the private schools in the nineties flouted the rules and fielded post matrics who were older than 19. Michael house had a guy in their first team that we used to call ‘ballie’ owing to his chronic balding. Schools have never played fair, but out of all of them Glenwood seems to be pushing the limits here. That,s twice in one season there has been an eligibility scandal at that school.

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.05.12 15:54:28 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Pedantic (Comment 74) : @Honestly (Comment 71) : Honestly guys…now I am narrowing my eyes, and you don’t want that.

    I refer you to Robs comment 68 – please go read them and abide by OUR rules. Thank you

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.05.12 15:57:09 by Ice Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 80) :
    It’s not only Glenwood!
    DHS were in fact the first with Payi – I honestly think when all is said and done there will be several schools with problems, not saying that it’s the schools fault entirely though.

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.05.12 16:03:04 by Pedantic Reply

     
  • @CapeShark (Comment 80) : The problem back then was that there were no rules. In the late 70′s when most people finished school at 17 the Craven Week and SA schools side were full of 19 year olds as were the 1st XV’s of all of the major govt schools – College, DHS and Glenwood.

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.05.12 16:03:05 by steve Reply

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  • @capeshark,
    the fact of the matter is the great game of rugby is the loser.

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.05.12 16:03:40 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @Ice (Comment 81) :
    Noted! Apologies :oops:

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.05.12 16:04:18 by Pedantic Reply

     
  • honestly the rules on this site are pedantic! :lol:

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.05.12 16:08:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @ice- i respect your rules on race, BUT IT IS FACT!! RUGBY LOSERS

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.05.12 16:09:35 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @Pedantic (Comment 85) : thank you.

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.05.12 16:09:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • This is, in a nutshell, the biggest issue I have with this new ‘win at all cost’ mentality that has been seeping into the schoolboy rugby system for a few years now. Even if it means turning a blind eye to that which is clearly a lie.

    And forgive me for saying it but Glenwood has been at the forefront of this attitude for some years now.
    And now this.

    Are you telling me that the coaches and teachers seriosly didnt know that he is 4 years older than his comtemporaries?
    That he should have matriculated in 2008?!

    C’mon guys.

    When did schoolboy rugby lose its attitude about being about the love of the game and not the love of winning at all costs.

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.05.12 16:10:24 by John Galt Reply

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  • @pedantic -i like your sense of humour , good on you

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.05.12 16:11:05 by Honestly Reply

     
  • @John Galt (Comment 89) : I think you can include. Westville in that bracket as well. I’ve heard they may also have a player or 2 of questionable age.

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.05.12 16:14:52 by slammerboy Reply

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  • You mention that their ID books showed them to be much younger. Could it not just be that the schools did not want to query these not wanting to start up “that which shall not be named on this site” issues at the schools?

    If the falsification took place at home affairs with a corrupt official’s assistance, how do you prove otherwise in any case?

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.05.12 16:19:27 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • the high schools rugby scene in SA will need to be regulated like the college scene in the US with stringent measures for the school breaking the rules. in the past 5 months alone we’ve had doping, boys beating up referees and now age irregularities.

    the punishments need to be heavy and far-reaching to deter even the rugby directors from even thinking about cheating!

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.05.12 16:22:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 89) : The tide turned in KZN when the public gov schools tried to stop their senior primary kids from being lured to private schools on burseries. They (glenwood, westville, dhs) realised that rugby is the biggest marketing factor for a school and brings in spectators on the weekend. So to retain their own talent they started counter burseries and talent poaching from the surrounding schools. Westville as an example has focused on senior primary kids from pinetown, kloof, and grosvenor. Particularly the small Afrikaans primary schools. makes sense cos those Afrikaans kids are much bigger than their peers in the same age group. Anyway, it’s worked out well for them but you do get the feeling that the great game of schoolboy rugby has forever changed. :|

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.05.12 16:22:42 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 77) :
    Very well put.

    @Honestly (Comment 87) :
    The fact is that your argument is weak and your lack of respect/ ignorance for the rules of this site is irritating.

    @robdylan (Comment 65) :
    Not narrow eyes. Just the only glaring exception in an interesting debate.

    @Ice (Comment 66) :
    Don’t you have socks to inspect or something?

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.05.12 16:32:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 95) : the one’s you’re sniffing?

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.05.12 16:44:36 by Ice Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 95) : :lol: @ “socks”

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.05.12 16:58:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 96) : you did so well with “you’re”, but spoiled it a little with “one’s” :) `

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.05.12 17:06:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 96) :
    :yawn:

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.05.12 17:29:19 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : :lol:

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.05.12 17:54:02 by Ice Reply
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  • go home and start the weekend guys :)

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.05.12 17:54:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) : I second that. Time for a beer :)

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.05.12 17:56:36 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) :
    Done!

    Firing up the PS3 for some online FPS. Hope I don’t die within 15 seconds of spawning each time!

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.05.12 17:58:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 99) : Can’t make up my mind if the yawning is because of the aroma of your socks, or the fact that it must be way past your bedtime….

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.05.12 18:01:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 103) : Which one?

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.05.12 18:29:12 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 105) :
    Killzone 3; using the Move and Sharpshooter.

    You a gamer? Maybe we can team up online sometime.

    I’m getting back into games after some years away.

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.05.12 18:33:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 106) : Not really online much no. Suck at FPS games. Never played Killzone. I’ve got an Xbox. Mostly play Fifa. Love that game.

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.05.12 18:43:14 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : :lol:

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.05.12 19:12:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 107) :
    Ok. I’m not much of a FIFA fan. The rugby games are also mostly pretty standard stuff.

    I used to game on my pc mostly, but getting more into the PS3 – especially enjoy Move games.

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.05.12 19:38:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Not sure which is worse talking about politics or chatting about console/online gaming. :)

    What’s the latest on this scandal?

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.05.12 19:40:57 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) : Wanted to buy myself that Kinect sensor for Xbox but then I ended up at a friend’s house who actually had one. We played it a bit and I got fed up after 30mins. The thing is so inaccurate that it’s unreal!

    Much rather prefer to sit with a remote in my hand. A XBOX remote just feels so much better in my hands than a PS3 one. But maybe that’s because I’m used to it.

    I also love all Tom Clancy’s games..

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.05.12 20:41:04 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 111) :
    Thats the thing with the PS3; the technology is tops. The motion detection is incredibly precise. When you play tennis, it can not only detect variations is velocity, but you can actually use different degrees of spin and slice. Now that is awesome precision!

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.05.12 21:22:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 112) : Sounds cool, I’m not a Sony fan at all unfortunately.

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.05.12 21:37:17 by Ben Reply

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  • The only way to work this out of rugby is to make an example and ban for life…and arrest them for fraud…and if the parents were involved by funding the falsified ID’s or in any way…they need to be arrested for fraud too…

  • Comment 114, posted at 26.05.12 18:08:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • This systematic cheating is disgraceful and all involved should be sanctioned – at the very least banned from rugby. I find it hard to believe that the scheme was concocted by a bunch of random “kids” and their parents in the rural eastern cape. Also have to question the due diligence done by the schools in awarding these boys scholarships if some of the stories are correct – eg. one of them had allegedly already written matric prior to reinventing himself as a 16 year old.

  • Comment 115, posted at 28.05.12 08:50:53 by steve Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 115) : ridiculous, isn’t it?

  • Comment 116, posted at 28.05.12 09:03:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • i personally think its sad, as a Tom who comes from poverty, has now been relinquished, and is being taken back to that same poverty. As much as he was a 23 yr old in a young age group(fair thats wrong) but now he’s a person who’s lost a collection of immense opportunities. personally whoever scouts these boys all have a vague idea of their age , and knew that they are older, Tom wouldnt lie about his age, he was just placed in a trap. scouts put these boys in these positions hoping that the mass will turn a blind eye, but when Tom’s career took off, people started asking more than the usual questions. this is not the first and last time this will take place. and at the end, these guys don’t ask for these opportunities, they just pawns in a whole different ball game.

  • Comment 117, posted at 28.05.12 12:57:23 by Jim7 Reply

     
  • @Jim7 (Comment 117) : I agree that the whole situation is tragic, Jim. Welcome to the site, BTW.

  • Comment 118, posted at 28.05.12 13:07:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • start at senior primary level and look into the Glenwood BH feeder school,Glenwood prep, there are players there that warrant much closer scrutiny on the age issue and again these are development players

  • Comment 119, posted at 28.05.12 13:30:07 by antg Reply

     
  • @antg (Comment 119) :

    Welcome to the site!

    Hope to see more of you around here..

  • Comment 120, posted at 28.05.12 13:31:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @antg (Comment 119) : I’d say start in the Eastern Cape because that’s where Tom is from.

  • Comment 121, posted at 28.05.12 13:34:29 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Did his team mates call him Uncle Tom?
    :twisted:

  • Comment 122, posted at 28.05.12 13:39:35 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 122) : that is walking just a little too close to the line and you know it :evil:

  • Comment 123, posted at 28.05.12 13:40:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 123) : apparently his favourte band is Boyz II Men

  • Comment 124, posted at 28.05.12 13:44:06 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 64) : @robdylan (Comment 65) : :twisted:

  • Comment 125, posted at 28.05.12 14:08:22 by klempie Reply

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  • @Pedantic (Comment 72) : Nail on head… :twisted:

  • Comment 126, posted at 28.05.12 14:09:56 by klempie Reply

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  • @Pedantic (Comment 74) : ROFL!!! I’m with you brother! :lol:

  • Comment 127, posted at 28.05.12 14:10:54 by klempie Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 81) : Who died and made *you* admin, drol? :twisted:

  • Comment 128, posted at 28.05.12 14:12:56 by klempie Reply

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  • It is indeed a sad day when the minority try and cheat the system, placing the majority under an umbrella of suspicion.
    Even more alarming about this sad state of affairs is the potential safety risk to kids in their right age group playing against “boys” 2-4 years older than them, particularly in their development years. Imagine being U13 and playing someone who is 15 , 16 or 17 !
    This rugby scandal makes it imperative that investigations of ID’s, doing bone tests etc begins right now at Senior primary level to stamp out any possible incidences of people slipping through the cracks because of false or incorrect birth certificates, of possible serious rugby injuries and of bringing KZN into disrepute.

  • Comment 129, posted at 28.05.12 16:47:57 by JennyE Reply

     
  • @JennyE (Comment 129) : I agree with you

  • Comment 130, posted at 28.05.12 17:36:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • I was fortunate enough to attend KZN u16 trails with Tom. I was 15 and him allegedly 22. Didn’t get through me :) Ego boosted :mrgreen:

  • Comment 131, posted at 28.05.12 21:29:14 by Chrispy_10 Reply

     
  • well well freinds this whole thing is bigger than us but at the same tym we the only people who can make this ish vocal; i beleive that students of such calibre are merely boys just living their lives and scouts are just handing them offers that they cannot turn down. i think this whole thing is twisted and getting Toms side of the story will make things more clearer. so here goes me giving you the truth in the upcoming weeks. cheers rugga fanatics!!!CHERS TO TWO SIDE OF THE F ING STORY!!!chat soom

  • Comment 132, posted at 29.05.12 00:12:18 by Jim7 Reply

     
  • @Jim7 (Comment 132) : we will gladly publish Tom’s account if you can get it for us.

  • Comment 133, posted at 29.05.12 06:43:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 133) :

    Tom’s side of the story would be interesting if only for the fact that it may shed some light on culpability for the machinations behind the scenes that have led to this scandal. To make Tom, and any of the others exposed by the investigation, out to be some kind of martyr in this matter is absolute rubbish – they are cheats pure and simple.

    Having regard to their circumstances one can have some sympathy for the temptation to cheat in the same way that I can understand someone stealing to feed their family. It doesn’t lessen the crime but it is why I believe that those that have put the temptation their way, been involved in procuring the false ID’s, or been complicit in any other way should be exposed and sanctioned.

    However, to use words like “calibre” to describe Tom is nonsense. There is no “calibre” associated with playing four years out of your age group. Age groups recognise the significant physical development that takes place between 14 and 21 and there is nothing special about a 20 year old standing out at an U16 competition.

  • Comment 134, posted at 29.05.12 07:37:05 by steve Reply

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  • let the truth be told.

  • Comment 135, posted at 30.05.12 08:52:58 by Honestly Reply

     
  • I must say , hats off to Glenwood and DHS for a game which was not overshadowed by all this negativity, well done to both schools for a great game schoolboy rugby.

  • Comment 136, posted at 30.05.12 08:55:47 by Honestly Reply

     
  • This is really distressing. But although I am apalled – I have sympathy for the situation that these boys/men are now in – a situation beyond their control that their parents, the talent scouts and school officals – but ALSO the KZN Rugby officials for not checking their credentials closely enough.
    And I agree with the sentiments of many of the other comments here:
    a) This is NOT specific to just KZN I am sure

    b) What about the current U13′s; U15′s etc. These guys were scouted and offered bursaries by their school system from Grade 6/7 level – so I am sure there are a bunch of current boys in a similar situation? Just look at the current KZN U13 squad that was announced today – some of those boys are monsters!

  • Comment 137, posted at 30.05.12 22:08:07 by School parent Reply

     
  • I think like a few guys have said, we need to know more before we judge. I cannot think that the schools would deliberately play an over age player. Yes winning is a premium but every headmaster would know the consequences would far outweigh the results. If the guys in question presented the schools with that falsified ID when they first arrived at the school, do we really expect the school to do background checks on every pupil? Lets be reasonable. Both these guys are hardly big guys in any way, i mean some u16s are bigger than them! So where the fault lies im not too sure, but lets not go about laying blame on these schools and tarnishing reputations of the best KZN schools and KZN rugby at the same time.

  • Comment 138, posted at 31.05.12 09:37:09 by SheldonK Reply

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