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Sharks player ratings v Stormers


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 28 May 2012 at 08:49
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The Sharks stood up really nicely as a team on Saturday night, to hand the high-flying Stormers only their second loss of the 2012 Super Rugby season. Let’s see how the individuals did.

1. Beast Mtawarira. Did a real demolition job in the scrum and was prominent everywhere else too. Surely the country’s premier loose head prop, bar none? 9/10
2. Bismarck du Plessis. Led from the front with his outstanding work rate and pilfering skills again vital to the team cause. 9/10
3. Jannie du Plessis. His best game to date in a Sharks jersey. Monstered young Kitshoff at every scrum and was active on defence and in the tight loose. 8/10
4. Steven Sykes. A little subdued by the high standards set elsewhere in the pack, but still played with fire and contributed to a huge tight-five effort. 6/10
5. Anton Bresler. Improves game by game and was far better taking the ball into contact this week. Strong work on defence, at lineouts and kickoffs as usual. 8/10
6. Marcell Coetzee. Tackled everything that moves and made huge yards with ball in hand. What more do you want? 9/10
7. Willem Alberts. The Bone Collector was close to his devastating best, smashing the Stormers back with huge hits and making valuable yards over the advantage line. 9/10
8. Keegan Daniel. A superb performance from the captain who is growing in stature and confidence with each successive victory. 8/10

9. Charl McLeod. A far better showing from the scrumhalf, whose service from the back was far crisper this week. Box kick were also far more accurate and decision-making top-notch. 8/10
10. Fred Michalak. A vintage “good Fred” performance, with, as always, one or two little mistakes thrown in just to keep us guessing. For the most part, though, he controlled the game beautifully from flyhalf. 8/10
11. Lwazi Mvovo. The best finisher in the business, bar none. Starting to show a decent head on his shoulders too when asked to fall back in defence. 8/10
12. Meyer Bosman. Kept the highly-rated Stormers midfield at bay all day with huge work on defence and was ever-present when asked to take the ball up to (and over) the advantage line. 7/10
13. Paul Jordaan. Put in some truly vital tackles at key times and uses his pace as a deadly weapon in all that he does. 7/10
14. JP Pietersen. His pressure work from the kick-chase and awesome presence on defence are often worth two of any other winger; still hoping to see more of JP with ball in hand, though. 7/10
15. Pat Lambie. This kid is the best fullback in the country, by a long shot. Problem is, I believe he’s the best flyhalf too, so without a cloning machine, we have a real problem on our hands. 9/10

16. Craig Burden. Did not get on
17. Wiehahn Herbst. Kept up the scrum pressure and was prominent in the tight loose when he came on. 7/10
18. Pieter-Steph du Toit. Not on long enough to be rated.
19. Ryan Kankowski. Did not get on
20. Jacques Botes. Not on long enough to be rated.
21. Odwa Ndungane. Solid in all he did, but had no opportunities with ball in hand. 6/10
22. Riaan Viljoen. Did not get on



97 Comments

  • I would take 1 point from Fred for that silly pass that put the Stormers back in the game, and give it to Beast for the most amazing circus feat I have seen on a rugby field.

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.05.12 09:03:56 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • This week agree with those ratings Rob. BUT except one. I would have given Beast 10+ for saving Bresler’s life twice!..hehe :razz:

    We need to get that pic up of Beast holding Bresler. See it is on the net everywhere.

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.05.12 09:04:28 by Puma Reply
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  • can somebody explain to me the following. jaco peyper penalised jp for not rolling away, but the only thing is that jp was the attacking player and placed the ball on the ground and waiting for the ball to be cleaned out

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.05.12 09:07:05 by jovner Reply
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  • Oh yes, take half a point off of Fred, for gifting Aplon that try. That gave the Stormers their bonus point. But Fred was really good on Saturday night otherwise, except for that bad pass.

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.05.12 09:07:21 by Puma Reply
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  • @jovner (Comment 3) : He penalised him for keeping on rolling on the ground after being tackled.

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.05.12 09:08:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Agree Lambie is our best fb in the country by a huge amount, also our best fh if I may add. … :cool:

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.05.12 09:09:25 by Puma Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 4) : Fred would have got 9 had it not been for the intercepted pass

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.05.12 09:09:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 6) : you could add it, but since I already said that in the article, it’s not really adding, is it? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.05.12 09:10:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • The forwards as a whole were fantastic and the backs defended like trojans.

    Great game to watch and reminds me of the 2010 CC Sharks that played in the semi-finals and finals.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.05.12 09:10:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Damn man I was mad at the time, thought straight up that we would lose all momemtum after that. We did. Looked like we were about to pounce for our 4th bonus point we had them on the back foot there, then boom that daft pass and away was Aplon for a try. Gave Stormers hope after that and their adrenaline woke up after.

    Also gave them the bonus point. That could cost us huge later.

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.05.12 09:12:58 by Puma Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 9) : Agree Pokkol,

    The first 55min reminded me of our cc final against them in 2010.

    My feeling had there not been a run away try we just may have kept them under pressure. I just feel they may not have come back the way they did. Anyhow we won but now need to win two of our games with bonus points to make sure we make the play offs. If we denied Stormers the bonus point who knows we could just have topped our conference. That how important it was for them not to get the bonus point. We should make the play offs but it will be a mamoth travel waiting us.

    Anyhow still so very, very proud of our boys. They were awesome on Saturday.

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.05.12 09:16:38 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.05.12 09:18:03 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : haha. Actually Rob I am having a laugh here mate, you know me I just read the first line and not the rest…..hahaha. See now you said it.

    What a gifted player Lambie is. World class. Really pleased he is a Shark.

    Have you any news on Fransie yet?

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.05.12 09:20:27 by Puma Reply

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  • Forget about Hercules and Samson, we have The Beast!

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.05.12 09:21:43 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Rob also you have any news on JPP yet? He went off early. Hope he is not injured for this game coming up.

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.05.12 09:22:24 by Puma Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 14) : For sure.

    We should get that awesome pic up here somewhere.

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.05.12 09:23:03 by Puma Reply

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  • Reckon the role of both Du Plessis brothers in Mvovo’s try need to be mentioned. Jannie secured the Stormers ball at the ruck, popped to Bismarck who had the presence of mind to get the ball away to Marcell immediately

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.05.12 09:24:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Really impressed with the way Meyer came back against JDV. He was not the ‘turnstile’ some readers here suggested he’d be. He missed on tackle all night that I can recall.

    Everyone played for the jersey on the night and it was a truly classic game.

    @Rob: Surely there was no way the assistant refs and the refs could miss that forward pass for Aplon’s second?! It was off a scrum and, having done a little reffing myself, both AR’s and the ref are on the spot!

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.05.12 09:25:14 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 18) : I’ve brought it to the attention of Greg Peters… what more can I do? I’m starting to get really gatvol of this crap… and the sad thing is, the South African officials (who used to be a cut above) are now really standing out as prize wallies in this competition.

    I’m glad we’ve got Garratt Williamson this weekend. At least he isn’t blind.

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.05.12 09:27:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : ja, first time I’ve ever seen Bismarck pass :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.05.12 09:27:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 10) : I agree with you that the match turned at that point…

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.05.12 09:28:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Fair ratings! Although, if I remember correctly, Steven had great influence on the line out the once or twice we contested…wonder why they did not do it more…. Superb play by Marcell to let Mvovs finish off with that try.

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.05.12 09:29:06 by Ice Reply
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  • I’m thanking our lucky stars that Mvovo caught the ball for his try. The pass was way above his head and had he not caught it, it would most probably have been a intercept try.

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.05.12 09:30:27 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Actually I have seen him get the ball away from a turnover ruck a few times this year. Recall a similar try against the Brumbies (I think)

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.05.12 09:33:10 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 13) : @Puma (Comment 15) : I’m sure Rob will share the news AS SOON as he gets it. :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.05.12 09:34:07 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 22) : Steven did interfere with a Stormers ball once that I saw.

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.05.12 09:34:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : Thanks Rob. Great work on your part.

    It is a bit sad. Kaplan seems way off what he was and so does Lawrence. At least we won though, so my week is made :lol:

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.05.12 09:35:45 by StevieS Reply
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  • @robdylan: I really feel that your rating for the 2 centres is a bit low. If it was not for them, there would be much more tries for the Stormers. Especially Bosman did the work of a forward by times when it was necessary. Don’t think you were realistic when you rate them. I also want to congratulate Bosman for his 90 cap on Saturday, as well as the whole team for their performance.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.05.12 09:39:01 by springbok Reply

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  • @springbok (Comment 28) : I thought about that, trust me I did.

    I just thought that if the entire team was rated at 8 or above, it leaves very little room for improvement.

    Remember, these ratings are really quite subjective and are done without stats to guide them.

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.05.12 09:40:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : ah, k. Point is, when we did some contesting, we stunned them.

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.05.12 09:40:54 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : But wait, that’s not all! Marcell ALSO passed in the same movement!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.05.12 09:41:01 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 30) : ja, but before we blow a valve on our own trumpet, let’s look at the stats.

    The Drips still won 18 lineouts to our 8…

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.05.12 09:52:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Just a personal observation… :wink:

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.05.12 09:59:44 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 33) : I know… just messing with you kiddo :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.05.12 10:03:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : I like the “kiddo” part! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.05.12 10:07:48 by Ice Reply
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  • How is it possible for our lineouts to so suddenly improve during the game? Almost seems as though it was simply a matter of confidence?

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.05.12 10:09:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • For some time now I’ve been of the opinion that Juan de Jongh is an over-rated one-trick pony, and this weekend’s game reinforces that belief with me. He’s a competent defender, is fast off the mark and has a good (though increasingly predictable) step, but he lacks top end pace, has a poor passing game, and doesn’t seem to have the ability to create opportunities for others (in that, he reminds me of the equally over-rated Ettiene Botha).

    Of course, that does leave the Bok 13 cupboard a little bare; who knows, maybe Paul Jordaan will still live up to JJR’s hype ( :twisted: ) and claim that jersey in the not-too-distant future, especially given hom Johan Sadie has also fallen from grace…?

    :shock: When last could we even dream of a Sharks’ centre being a Bok contender (albeit remotely)? I’m really starting to like how this season is panning out…

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.05.12 10:11:15 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I would just like to say congratulations(to Plum)for making the right call with the forwards. I thought it’s going to be a big flop, but these players stood up and protected the ball beautifully!

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.05.12 10:11:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : Think Stormers hookers just self destructed, and then that went thru to their locks

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.05.12 10:12:36 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Also, Fred had another good game, but that pass over Odwa’s head for the Aplon try is madness we cannot afford and one good reason to get Pat back at 10.

    If Ludik is ready to play again, I’d have Pat at ten. That try could have been very costly for us (actually it was very costly, because the Stormers got a bonus point because of that, which could see us end up drawn with them on the log and they still have the superior points difference).

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.05.12 10:15:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 40) : number of wins counts more than points difference on the log… so if they end up equal on points with us, they are automatically going to go ahead.

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.05.12 10:24:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • :twisted: Feels good to finally chew through my straps this morning!

    We can now commission Beast’s statue since we have the perfect pose for a jumper and supporter! This will go down in rugby history!
    Apart from that, he had a great game. We murdered the front row IN EVERY SCRUM. Which gets me thinking: Why were Stormers blown up only once??
    Was Jaco Peyper biased? Gawd I hope so, otherwise he is even a worse referee.

    Having said that, how can anybody do a good job with the 2 cardboard cut-outs supplied as ARs? The WP could not win a line-out unless they chucked it straight down the 2 tall guy’s oesophaguses! The front rows dropped, popped out, went in on the angle and scrapped on the floor, only to be sited once?? The WP had guys by the head, stood offside twice at the maul and even had the girth to pick an argument in front of the AR when Bismarck suggested he retreat!?
    I think the worst of the lot was again …(drum roll)…Lourens vd Merwe! When it comes to rugby I think his judgement is as “toe soos ‘n plastic pop se p**phol” How could the 3 of them not manage to see all this when 28 000 spectators could observe this from 100m away? Okay, I’m calm again…

    Freddie had a good game in the first half but his instability throughout the game would suggest that Lambie should be better at 10 and Ludick at 15. Too many of his passes go to the deck. Play Fred only in certain games, like this Saturday, and only for a 30 minute spell.
    The best moment for me was when Mvovo trawled Dewald over 7m to the line to score his try. Watching it in slo-mo is even better!
    But the accolade must go to Marcel Coetzee, who in this fist 15, tackled the grand Etzebeth twice and so hard that the big guy was not interested in the pill for the rest of the game!!

    Mcloed was again great as was Lambie. Pietersen must up his game a bit and the 2 centres were great. Jordaan settled in seamlessly and is impressive! We still lack the skills to control the aerial game and during kick-off but overall we did the basics right. PROUD!! Congrats on your 100th Botes!!!
    Okay, I have to get back to my cell… :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.05.12 10:50:44 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 27) : Craig Joubert and Jafta are probably the best 2 refs in SA right now :shock:

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.05.12 10:55:02 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • (comment 43)How come I havent seen jafta ref yet? does anyone else know? I was extremely upset that the stormers are taking our heads off at tackles and nothing occurs not to mention JdV his eye scrap/gouging on sykes why is that not refered? we have had guys banned for less?

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.05.12 11:08:23 by Dunx Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 42) :

    I must say I just LOVED Marcell’s tackle on Habana!! Thing of beauty!

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.05.12 11:11:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 44) : Must say i didnt see the eye gouging, hopefully it is not so, Boks will need JDV in a few weeks

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.05.12 11:15:56 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • my gut feel is the Sharks might rest a few players this comming weekend

    or play some he wants to rest off the bench

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.05.12 11:18:07 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 47) :

    Why? The Sharks(excluding the Boks) have a rest after this game and a bye right after the June internationals?

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.05.12 11:19:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 48) : We need 5 points from this game = non-negotiable

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.05.12 11:23:54 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 49) : @Pokkel (Comment 48) : I’m with you okes. Strongest possible team, please and 5 good points.

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.05.12 11:37:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ sharks_lover (comment 47) i didn’t see the actual gouging but Jdv his tackle was head high then he ripped off the scrumcap, afterwards Sykes had attention to his eye area. the medic worked on his left eye a little bit seem red and aggitated. Maybe an accident but still dangerous.

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.05.12 11:40:33 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 51) : kk thanks

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.05.12 11:43:17 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 48) : I am not saying it is what i feel should be the case, i am saying what i think will happen as it is in the Beeld as having been suggested by Plum, so thus i have a feeling they might do this

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.05.12 11:46:39 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : and sommer add a moerse margin to that too!

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.05.12 11:48:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 51) : ja, and the medic did not do very well either, trying to stick the WHOLE towel in his eye to wipe it.. :roll: and JPP also had an eye thingetjie going on at a stage..

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.05.12 11:53:17 by Ice Reply
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  • I think the Beast deserves an extra point just for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DhskvFHeb6Y#!
    This isn’t the first time the Beast has done this. I can’t remember who he was holding the last time.

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.05.12 11:59:14 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 51) : jeez dude. If you’re going to make a serious allegation, why not first try to ascertain whether it happened in the first place?

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.05.12 12:01:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 46) : If JdV gouged he deserves the ban. I hope he didn’t because he hasn’t been a dirty player. I watched the game and didn’t see it.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.05.12 12:01:56 by lostfish Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 53) : If Plum is seriously considering doing that, he may be playing the selection odds once too many.

    Don’t play injured players – but select the best team. Maybe just bring the reserves on earlier than against the Stormers

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.05.12 12:05:17 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • you’ve heard it here first, Sharks to end in the top 2 possessions of the overall log in 2012

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.05.12 12:05:47 by Franshark Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 56) : it was Sykes

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.05.12 12:06:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 61) : not a lightweight either.

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.05.12 12:10:47 by lostfish Reply
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  • BTW did I hear Matfield correctly as commenting that the Stormers locks had half a metre on the Sharks locks. It actually made me check afterwards and it was 21cm if you believe the Supersport player stats they show before the game

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.05.12 12:13:12 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 37) :
    Been beating this drum for a while. De Jongh is good, but not an ideal replacement for someone of the calibre of Fourie.

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.05.12 12:14:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 64) : So you would also go with Frans at 12 and JDV at 13 for the Boks?

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.05.12 12:15:56 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 45) : :twisted: Oh yes! :twisted:

  • Comment 66, posted at 28.05.12 12:34:01 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 65) :
    Definitely. Olivier or de Jongh on the bench.

  • Comment 67, posted at 28.05.12 12:34:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 43) : :twisted: Jafta spoiled it for me in that CC game when the Lions placed the ball about 12 inches short and he gave them the game… :twisted:

  • Comment 68, posted at 28.05.12 12:37:54 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • IMO Sykes should get a higher rating, he did contest in the line outs, he saved a try by the stormers and defended well. Funny how Etsebeth did really well until he came face to face with the Sharks locks.

  • Comment 69, posted at 28.05.12 12:41:52 by pops Reply

     
  • @pops (Comment 69) : I think you’re probably right. Fact is, as a combo, the Sharks tight 5 was superb.

    I did see Steve lose his first line out ball and that may, admittedly, have skewed the ratings a little. He remains a huge part of the Sharks fact and a critical guy to their campaign.

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.05.12 12:51:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : Now why don’t I get such a nice reply when I defend Stevie’s ratings..? :lol:

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.05.12 13:00:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 71) : because I enjoy giving you shit :)

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.05.12 13:08:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 37) : @Big Fish (Comment 64) : You guys didn’t have much to say when he was playing well.. :???:

  • Comment 73, posted at 28.05.12 13:13:32 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : Fair enough! :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 28.05.12 13:15:19 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 73) : Au contraire, if you go back a few weeks, when he was carving up midfields, you’ll find I was already expressing this opinion on this site…

  • Comment 75, posted at 28.05.12 13:18:39 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 56) :

    Kudo’s also to Bresler for actually hanging onto the ball while upside down. Most guys would have let the ball go and tried to protect themselves from the fall.

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.05.12 13:25:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 75) : I know way back (2months or so) you, BF and VanMartin I think, said you guys don’t rate him. I then said I do. After that he had some very good games. Only VanMartin came out and said he is impressed with the way he’s performing.

    So what do you expect from JdJ? To carve open the midfield every time he touches the ball? Who rates him that much that he is overrated? I rate him but he still doesn’t come close to compare to JF imho..

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.05.12 13:26:40 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 77) :
    So you rate him; good for you. You want me to give him, (and by extension) every other player I do not think should start for the Boks, credit for a good game?

    I never said he is a bad player; I said I don’t think he is as good as some believe, and that I don’t think he is a permanent solution for the Boks at 13.

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.05.12 13:35:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) : He is by no means the finished product. JdV is getting old. If JdJ is not the solution for the Boks going forward, we need to find a solution. For now I think he’s the best we’ve got and I’d play him ahead of JdV at 13.

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.05.12 13:45:07 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 79) :
    The issue I have with de Jongh is that his play doesn’t evolve. He is the same player he was several seasons ago. He certainly has time on his side, but the lack of development in his game so far is worrying. A good reference is Waylon Murray – a big, quick 13 for the Boks at 20, and nothing since then.

    A good 13 is hard to find in SA rugby because we expect our outside backs to all be 12′s anyway – defend well, keep the ball alive and chase up-and-unders.

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.05.12 13:55:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) : I hope you have a bit of patience; we may be here a while :lol:

    I see Juan de Jongh as a similar player to the late Ettiene Botha, so let me use him as an analogy. Ettiene was explosive off the mark, with a great step, and he scored a sh*tload of tries for the Bulls in Currie Cup, and to a lesser extent, Super Rugby. As can be expected, all and sundry North of the Jukskei clamoured for his inclusion in the Bok team at the time.

    The problem I had then (as I have with Juan) is that although he scored loads of five-pointers through individual brilliance, I never really saw him construct opportunities for those outside him. While individual opportunities abound in Currie Cup, these diminish as contests get tougher, and in test rugby they are very few and far between.

    So that’s not to say that there aren’t moments in tests where a bit of individual brilliance can swing a game, but by and large I think at that level it is more important to have players who can construct opportunities than players who can only finish. And this is where my problem with Juan lies.

    He has a very impressive step, but heck, you just *know* what’s coming when he has the ball. In addition, at 13 especially I believe you gain more from an outside break, which takes you away from the cover defense, than an inside break, and that is not something I see much from Juan, because I don’t think he has the out and out pace required. I also have reservations about his passing game, and his positioning or feel for the game (but this is of course highly subjective, and I may be biased).

    And that is why I don’t see his as a realistic heir to the Bok 13 jersey.

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.05.12 14:17:59 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 61) : :twisted: Steven worked hard and saved a sure try! :twisted:

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.05.12 14:24:12 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 82) : Thank you thank you!

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.05.12 14:34:56 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 61) : Oh yeah. Thank you.

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.05.12 14:48:22 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 80) : @Culling Song (Comment 81) : Thanks for the clarity chaps. I now know exactly where you guys stand on the matter.

    I don’t think he’s like Ettiene Botha at all. Hope he gets a chance for the Boks against England, got a feeling he’s going to carve the English midfield to shreds! ;)

    Sorry Rob :twisted:

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.05.12 14:48:32 by Ben Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 84) : I searched rugby dump (yes I have that sort of time on my hands today ;-) ) It was Keegan. http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/10/2221/beast-mtawarira-prevents-keegan-daniel-from-flipping-head-first

    It also includes the picture of Sykes being held up in the air rather than him flipping over.

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.05.12 14:56:51 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) : Sounds about right if memory serves.

    @Ben (Comment 79) : I agree – I think he’s currently the best (based on a combo of ability and experience) we have in that position. Let’s see if Jordaan and/or Sadie make the step up eventually. Jordaan’s definitely showing promise.

    I really liked the look of JPP at 13 but probably wouldn’t want him there at the cost of Jordaan. He could be a capable short-term backup to JdJ considering both will probably make the final squad. Could give HM some extra room for manoeuvring on his bench.

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.05.12 14:57:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 42) : two :likes” :smile: :cool:

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.05.12 15:29:57 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 86) : ahh ok! I still have that pick of Sykes and Beast titled “he ain’t heavy, he’s my brother” :wink:

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.05.12 15:34:06 by Ice Reply
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  • Am I the only one here that thinks Daniel or Beast should have been MOTM??? Daniel was superb throughout and created the space for Alberts to run. Daniel made Alberts look good in my opinion…

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.05.12 15:38:23 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 90) : NOPE – I said after the game Daniel was my MOTM…but NO ONE EVER LISTENS TO ME!!! :sad: I also said that I liked our backline when the team was announced but again NO ONE EVER LISTENS TO ME! :lol:

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.05.12 15:43:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 91) : Speak up, we can’t hear you!

  • Comment 92, posted at 28.05.12 15:47:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 92) : I have natural projection of NOTE! Get your ears tested!

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.05.12 15:52:22 by Ice Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 88) : Thank you!

  • Comment 94, posted at 28.05.12 16:35:02 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 91) : :twisted: I listened but although I sometimes never know what to say, I almost always know what not to say. :lol: Your choices always seem to prove you right later on. :cool: :twisted:

  • Comment 95, posted at 28.05.12 16:38:58 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 91) : I read that comment and agreed but was too lazy to type on a cellphone ;-)

  • Comment 96, posted at 28.05.12 21:29:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 56) Funny enough, last year during the Neo Africa….. or whatever it was called, we played the Stormer. Hargreaves and Sykes both got injured during the first match against the Lions. Bresler and Mostert played the second match and the same thing happened with Beast and Bresler. That time Bresler made a complete summersault. Well, good to have a prop that you can trust holding you up like that!!! ;-) ;-)

  • Comment 97, posted at 29.05.12 07:10:49 by Marge Reply

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