Richard Ferguson

July start for Kings


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :EP Kings, Original Content, Super Rugby on 30 May 2012 at 09:15
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The Southern Kings will soon get to work ahead of their promised 2013 Super Rugby season, with their coaches assembling in Port Elizabeth in July, to start on what looks set to be a mammoth task of putting together a Super Rugby squad over the coming 6 months.

It was reported earlier in the year that the Kings will have a New Zealand head coach in Matt Sexton, a former Crusaders hooker. He will be joined by another All Black, Brad Mooar, who is a former club coach, Canterbury Colts mentor , property law specialist and accredited player agent. Mooar is said to be appointed as general skills coach.

SuperXV.com reports that both these men will be making their way to Port Elizabeth in July to start their task of coaching and putting together a squad that will be taking to the field in February 2013 to take part in the next Super Rugby tournament.

Mooar is believed to have spent some time in South Africa and in Port Elizabeth previously, loving the place so much that he is willing to move his wife and three tiny children there.

Not to put a damper on all the Sharks’ good work lately, but it seems that the Kings are already a step ahead in terms of appointing specific skills coaches ahead of what is certain to be a tough tournament next year.



61 Comments

  • Rich, is Luke going to play? I haven’t seen him on the team sheet for a long time now.

    I hope they keep Mpho on their books, he’s a quality player.

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.05.12 09:19:43 by StevieS Reply
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  • Things are looking up.

    With the Lions out ( again sorry Zib ! ), Mitchell is available as Skill Coach for the Sharks right? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.05.12 09:22:37 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • whats the point if they not going to use local players and coaches from PE? Pathetic really.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.05.12 09:35:22 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 3) : They’ll need to build up a style of play and a strong player base first to attract the younger guys to go there.

    I don’t agree with how they got in at all, but the fact is they will play. They’re going to have to buy a LOT of players to be able to compete.

    Any ideas on who they’ll keep from their current squad?

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.05.12 09:39:40 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 4) : tbh, I dont have a clue who is even in their squad, but the fact that they not even able to crack the nod to get into the prem CC shows they have nothing decent at all.
    I dont see them keeping that stadium full on a permanent basis either, so the idea of keeping the white ellephant full wont last.

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.05.12 09:49:12 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 5) : Once the losses happen the crowds will dwindle. That’s why they need to focus on getting a team in place.

    They have Jaques Engelbrecht, Mpho Mbiyizo, Luke Watson and SP Marais. Outside of those guys I don’t see any really SR class players.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.05.12 09:53:15 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 6) : yea i could only think of Mr puke

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.05.12 09:57:24 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 7) : But he hasn’t even played in ages?! I wonder what the story is there?

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.05.12 10:07:00 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 3) : you are pathetic! which franchise only uses players that come from their city?

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.05.12 10:11:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 9) : Getting back to the original question, whats up with Luke?

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.05.12 10:18:00 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 9) : Asked for info on the ‘Another blind moment’ thread please. It’s the questions I asked on here. Thanks :smile:

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.05.12 10:18:37 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 9) : lol yehlisa umoya noma bangathini ekucineni amakings azodlala ngonyaka ozayo

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.05.12 10:21:06 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 12) : hahaha umoya wami ukahle, indaba ngifuna umuntu sebenzise umqondo phambi koba akhulume. :|

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.05.12 10:26:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 13) : Shot for the updates. I’ll continue on the other thread :smile:

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.05.12 10:28:36 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 13) : lol ngiyakuzwa

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.05.12 10:29:50 by Poisy Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 14) : i see solly all the time @ the gym and i respect him enough not to bother him but i’ll make the effort to ask him and see how he reacts, if he is cagey, i’ll understand.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.05.12 10:33:02 by Megatron Reply

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  • Someone please approve my new avatar

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.05.12 10:35:47 by Poisy Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 14) : luke had a shoulder injury before the pre-season games, that’s the only reason in think he’d be sidelined.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.05.12 10:36:31 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) : kunjani e-pe ngicabanga ukusebenza khona

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.05.12 10:43:33 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 19) : ku-grand mfowethu but a lot slower than durban if you looking for fun…what side of law are you looking to specialise in?

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.05.12 10:57:55 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 17) : done and done

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.05.12 11:01:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 20) : not really sure yet, I’m also a sailing coach samsa(south african marintime safety association) approved doing my level 1 coaching coarse in july,its just for about a year than off to cpt with the gf she is doing law too

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.05.12 11:09:22 by Poisy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : baai dankie

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.05.12 11:10:19 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 16) : Shot! :grin:

    @Megatron (Comment 18) : Must be very bad to have kept him out for so long.I seem to recall he had one last year as well, so possibly a reocurrence of an old injury.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.05.12 11:16:52 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) : oh is it?….
    Seriously the whole point was to have their locals play in the super 15, that was the drive of it all in the 1st place.

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.05.12 11:32:34 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 25) : local players not coaches,and anyway they want the best person for the job regardles who they are so the team is competitive so local players and coaches can start looking at the kings and not outside the province it will take time before they have a large number of local players and coaches of good calliber so keep that in mind

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.05.12 11:40:18 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 25) : NO! the whole point is to have the region participate in Super rugby like the rest of the other unions in SA!

    anything that accrues in terms of development for players in the region will be a welcome positive!

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.05.12 11:49:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 25) : i asked you, currently which franchise uses ONLY players that come from their city?!

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.05.12 11:50:59 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 26) : Are you suggesting your coach is not up to scratch? Coz as far I know he is one of the top coaches in the world, and still you guys don’t win anything. Kings will need a freak of nature to pull of a win in the super 15. Disgusted that we will not be fielding our best 75 players every weekend. I hope its over quicker than we think…

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.05.12 11:51:26 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 29) : Stop being a dick

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.05.12 11:54:37 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 27) : @Megatron (Comment 28) : I dont feed trolls.

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.05.12 11:54:39 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 31) :

    Then don’t get into arguments that you cannot substantiate with fact.

    No Super Rugby franchise uses only local players. The Sharks are lucky if we use 50% players coming through the Natal Academy.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.05.12 12:00:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 31) :

    The fact that they are approaching top level coaches gives me the idea that they are taking this seriously and want to do well.

    If the Lions had taken this approach how many ever years ago, do you not think they would have been better than 1 out of 12 games so far this season?

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.05.12 12:01:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 31) : ja well done, you reckon you can spew your bile here without facts and that’s it hahaha. step up Uli. :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.05.12 12:04:44 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 32) : My point was that their drive behind it all was that local players had to play as they apparently had the players to support such team, I never said that they had to use their local player did I now?

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) : Rich with all due respect, a team is not bought and wins over night, you of all people should know it.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.05.12 12:08:08 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 35) :

    The drive was to get a team in the Eastern Cape, which would fund local development. Their ‘catch-phrase’ was never that the team will be made up of EC players.

    I am well aware that a team is not bought, that is common sense. But the fact that decent coaches and not some random Eastern Cape coach who is from the area is approached, leads me to believe that some thought is going into the process.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.05.12 12:13:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 35) : you’re being obtuse and putting your own spin on it. the eastern cape produces players in numbers and they leave because there aren’t any opportunities to play super rugby in the region.

    show us one piece of evidence where any kings official ever said “we want super rugby participation because we’ve got local boys here who are ready to play!”

    even the sharks, stormers & bulls if stripped of super rugby for six years would look like the current kings!

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.05.12 12:15:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 35) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 36) : @Megatron (Comment 37) : Not to get into the middle of it, but I think the Kings will probably do what the Sharks did when they got back into top flight rugby.

    They will recruit some core players for the team to give the team some experience and strength and try to use the players that they have in their structures. That why they are developing players but they have the experience which would help them to be competitive in their first years in the competition.

    They wouldn’t win the competition in the beginning but I don’t think that’ll be their aim in the beginning – they’ll aim to get stronger and stronger until they are in a position to be able to win.

    Just my 2 cents.

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.05.12 12:21:57 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • You also have to look at players like Ryan Kankowski, Keegan Daniel, the Ndunganes and Timmy Whitehead. I think they all come from that area originally, they might be interested in playing closer to their families and a team playing out of PE will give that opportunity!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.05.12 12:24:26 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) :

    That is a good question . Dont think we had the money after 7 years of sharing with the Cheetahs ..

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.05.12 12:27:14 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) :FYI, EP was in the Super 10, they got into it by playing well, they could not keep up with it so they lost out, no one stripped EP from Super rugby, they stripped them selfs.

    Next time get your facts right before you launch an attack on anyone.

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.05.12 12:28:14 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 29) : I can see you don’t wanna listen to facts so this is pointless “empty vessels make the most noise”

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.05.12 12:43:28 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 41) : oh my goodness, where do i start with you?

    none of the current franchises played any qualification rounds to prove they deserve to hold a south african super rugby licence!

    Prior to the S12, it was a provincial competition between the top provinces from each country based on their standing in their local competitions.

    The S12 became a regional competition, with Louis Luyt determining the composition of the regional franchises. Geography, not performance was the determining factor.

    The S14 franchise composition was based on bids from the SA CC provinces who decided who they wanted to partner with and the Spears lost out based on various criteria adjudicated by PriceWaterhouse & monitored by SARU

    in 2005 SARU resolved that the team that finishes last in 2006 will be relegated to make way for the Spears, when the Lions finished last, Oregan Hoskins and his Broederbond crowd at the Lions conspired to jipper the system. their actions amounted to CORRUPTION!

    they denied (read stripped) the South Eastern Cape of an opportunity to participate in Super Rugby and allowed the Lions back into the competition illegally!

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.05.12 12:45:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 35) :

    When the Sharks joined the CC ‘A’ Division did they only have players from their region??

    In fact, when you won your first CC title, can you recall how many ‘imported’ players were in the side??

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.05.12 12:48:59 by wpw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 43) : ok I didn’t know that

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.05.12 12:50:49 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 43) : lomuntu unenkinga aqena ukuyisho nje yikho enza engathi lento ingabadlali nocoach bangaphandle ngoba uyazi ngeke ayisho la into afuna ukuyisho

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.05.12 12:56:21 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 43) :

    i would just like to add that the season before the Lions and the Cheetahs became the Cats the Lions finished 5th on the SR log .

    So they had to share all the revenue from SR . The Lions got half the home games teams like the Sharks got .

    Look the thing is everybody gets done in in SA rugby . They only look after themselves . Being bitter about it wont really help .

    Personally im hoping the Lions go play in Europe . Its something new and different. The excitement of SR was seeing our players play against teams from Oz and NZL . Ive lots a lot of interest .

    Another thing im interested in is why Ebersohn was not recruited by the Kings . Surely if he is not from the EC the focus must still be to keep SA players in SA .

    Or any other player thats leaving over seas for that matter . But thats just the rumbling of a crazy Lions supporter :P

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.05.12 12:56:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 45) : which part poisy?

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.05.12 12:59:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 46) : hehehe ngiyazi :grin:

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.05.12 13:00:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 47) : i think sias tapped the Force himself just to get out of the country…they wanted him last year already and he stayed as him and his brother always saw themselves as “package deal”.

    if he wanted to stay in SA he could’ve gone to the Stormers too, he’d surely displace burton francis. plaus at the force there’s no competition for the jersey, willie ripia was fire for being a thief, harvey and seymour are just shit, stannard is also average.

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.05.12 13:05:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 48) : the whole bit about what happened in 2005 etc was only 15 just watched the rugby not followed the whole politics of it all, I think I had the right idea back then :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.05.12 13:09:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 50) :

    Im very interested to see who the Kings sign .

    hopefully not to many Lions players .. having them gets you kicked out of SR :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.05.12 13:12:21 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 52) : I feel bad for all our former sharkies up there esp ross cronje sigh :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.05.12 13:17:19 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 53) :

    Pat Cilliers also ..

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.05.12 13:19:08 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 54) : every last one of them these are our boys ,I just feel bad for them

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.05.12 13:23:50 by Poisy Reply
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  • There’s a troll on this thread, and it aint Megatron.

    @Poisy (Comment 26) :

    @Butchie34 (Comment 38) :

    Nicely put!

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  • @Poisy (Comment 51) : eish sbali, indaba awukwazi ukungawalandeli lamapolitics ngoba iqembu lami lakhishwa ngomkhonyovu! bheka ukuthi aboHoskins babeyenzani:

    South Africa: Rugby Plot Fails to Douse Spear’s Super 14 Hopes
    Business Day (Johannesburg)

    September 23, 2006
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    SA RUGBY’S attempt to buy out of its commitment to include the Southern Spears in the 2007 Super 14 season has stalled. Saru had hoped to acquire large stakes of the commercial arms of unions that own the troublesome franchise.

    It was anticipated that SA Rugby would announce the purchase of 25,1% of shares in Eastern Province and the South Western Districts Eagles. The national body was also expected to make public the acquisition of a further 24,9% stake in each union through the purchase of shares from South African Investment Limited (SAIL), which would have given them a 50% stake in each union.

    This would have given Saru enough power to exercise a controlling interest over the Spears.

    But on Friday night it became clear that EP and the Eagles had declined the offer. SAIL representatives were not available for comment.

    Saru had earlier received written confirmation that the Border Rugby Union, the third partner in the Spears franchise, would sell its shares to them.

    But shareholders of EP and the Eagles have refused to budge until at least Tuesday.
    That is when Saru’s application for leave to appeal the August 4 decision of Judge Dennis Davis — who ruled that the Spears have the right to play in the 2007 Super 14 — will be heard.

    The judge also ruled that the Spears were due compensation for missing out on the 2006 Currie Cup. If is successful in their application, the matter could spend months in court.

    The Spears are claiming R7.5m in damages in a counter-suit for losses incurred after being eliminated from this year’s Currie Cup.

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.05.12 14:46:16 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) :

    “The Spears are claiming R7.5m in damages in a counter-suit for losses incurred after being eliminated from this year’s Currie Cup.”

    So the Lions can also sue SARU when the get eliminated …

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.05.12 15:23:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 58) :
    Seriously dude, get over it now.

    So let’s accept that the Lions had some tough breaks, for arguments sake. That doesn’t make them innocent victims. They actively brought about their own downfall.

    Maybe if they are dropped their will be a real shake-up and their fortunes will improve.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.05.12 15:39:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 58) : they can’t sue SARU if the General Council votes that the team finishing last must be relegated. the Spears rightly sued SARU because Hoskins, by excluding the Spears from Currie Cup, was indeed breaking a Presidents Council resolution

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.05.12 15:44:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 60) : There might be some legal semantics if the agreements signed by SARU with the different unions guaranteed their participation without it being amended. The unions would have to sign in agreement to bring in a promotion/relegation so it might be possible for the Lions to sue for loss of income through a breach of contract.

    But that’s just me playing devil’s advocate.

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.05.12 15:47:15 by Butchie34 Reply
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