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Sharks selection mystery for Lions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 30 May 2012 at 09:30
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After doing this sort of thing for a number of years, I generally have a pretty good feeling about what sort of team the Sharks are likely to pick for a game; this week, though, I have to be honest and admit that I have no clue whatsoever what the selection approach is going to be. I’m hoping that John Plumtree isn’t in the same boat!

The Sharks coach finds himself in a pretty interesting – yet also perilous – position this week. The side has done remarkably well to win their last four games and move strongly back into contention for at least a wildcard play-off spot, but possibly even more. That good run has been built on mostly consistent selection where that’s been possible and the vast majority of the senior players that were a little inconspicuous earlier in the season are now back in great form. In fact, a fair few of the team are now very firmly in the Bok selection frame for next weekend’s opener against England, which Plumtree has admitted is something of a worry for him.

The last thing the coach can afford now is to have his stars go off the boil as they start to think more about the upcoming Bok challenge than they do about Saturday’s game against the Lions. Say what you like about Mitchell’s unruly mob, but their shocking track record this season, bizarrely, doesn’t really play into the Sharks’ hands. After four weeks of needing to get up for huge challenges, one couldn’t blame the Sharks players if they’re subconsciously seeing this week’s game as a bit of a break – hopefully a nice easy game that won’t require quite as much from a mental preparation and motivation point of view.

That thinking, of course, is exactly the sort of thinking that led to a 30-point smacking for the Sharks the last time they travelled down to Coca Cola Park and Plumtree will know that his old mate John Mitchell will be banking on exactly this as he tries to get his battered team up for the game. Fact is, despite how awful the Lions have been this season, they’re probably still good enough to beat a Sharks team who think they simply need to pitch up to get a win.

Plumtree has hinted at changes, saying that he will drop anyone whose mind is on the England challenge, rather than on the Lions game. He went a little further on the Sharks website, saying ““We’ve worked really hard and now need to ensure everyone is on-board and not giving thought to other matters, perhaps it’s an opportunity to throw some guys into the fray that haven’t had much time.” That statement, to me, is as clear an indication as you’ll get that the coach is planning on rotation ahead of the Joburg trip, but it remains to be seen exactly how far he goes. There’s a huge gamble here and the Sharks have far too much at stake to rick any chance of not coming away with the full haul of five points.

One area where changes surely must come is in midfield and while there’s definitely a chance that Frans Steyn could play (given that the Paul Jordaan fight appears to have been lost) even his inclusion might not really help all that much. Steyn is a 12 these days and it’s unlikely that Plumtree would want to get off on the wrong foot with the Bok management by playing him at 13. Problem is, with Tim Whitehead still unavailable and Meyer Bosman also the world’s unlikeliest outside centre, Plumtree will have little option other than to move JP Pietersen back into the midfield for this game, with Odwa Ndungane starting on the wing. My hope, though, is that Steyn will crack a bench spot ahead of Marius Joubert.

Whatever the case, though, my money is on one or two real surprises when the side is named tomorrow.



57 Comments

  • Glad to have FS aboard and hope we win the Snoils we really don t have a good tracking record against the home team, but like one says never to late to win against the home team, just maybe we all will get what we are wanting for, for so long and that is to win the Snoils at their home ground. :mrgreen:

    Go Sharks Go :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.05.12 09:37:48 by chaz Reply
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  • 9 Mcloed
    10 Lambie
    11 Mvovo
    12 Bosman
    13 JP
    14 Sithole
    15 Ludik
    20 Michalak, 21 Steyn, 22 Ndungane

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.05.12 09:49:50 by John Galt Reply
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  • I reckon Herbst should get a start, and so should Deysel, Alberts has done enough to get that number 7 jersey against England in just one game. Deysel needs some gametime and will always give 100%, and just like Alberts i believe he is ready to perform to his fullest now, he is fit and ready.

    My team for Lions this weekend-

    1.Beast
    2.Bissie
    3.Herbst
    4.Sykes
    5.Bresler
    6.Botes
    7.Deysel
    8.Keegan
    9.Mcloed
    10.Fred
    11.Mvovo
    12.Bosman
    13.JPP
    14.Ndungane
    15.Lambie

    16.Burden
    17.Jannie
    18.J.Marais
    19.Alberts
    20.Kanko
    21.Steyn
    22.Ludik

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.05.12 09:53:09 by JJR Reply
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  • According to Molly Steyn has played a couple of games at 13 for Racing this season

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.05.12 09:53:49 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 3) : Good looking team.

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.05.12 09:54:27 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 4) : Indeed, he has.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.05.12 09:58:13 by JJR Reply
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  • I understood Frans’s contract starts in July. So is he even available for the Lions game

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.05.12 10:00:12 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Bit harsh asking the guy to play two days after getting off a plane from France, with no prep, time with the team, practice with game plan etc etc… I know he is a great player, but that seems a bit much…

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.05.12 10:09:13 by The Quirk Reply
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  • I thought Steyn was only joining the Sharks in July?? Plum would probably move JPP to 13 and Odwa to wing. If it were me I would gamble a little in this game and play Viljoen at 13…yes he hasnt played there and he is a fullback and blah blah blah. Id still play him thetre just like id leave Lambie at 15.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.05.12 10:12:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • On the Supersport website there is a report indicating that Plum is having second thoughts regarding the rotation of players, and now feels they need to maintain consistency in selection in a bid to bank 5 points…

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.05.12 10:25:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I thought Steyn arrived in Durban yesterday? Who cares if his contract starts from 1st July…if he’s needed you just pay him for the extra playing time, simple.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.05.12 10:27:28 by JJR Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 10) : Plum probably said the things he said regarding rotation to test the focus of those guys that will be Boks next week…he’s probably satisfied with their focus and now wants to stick with what has worked the last month.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.05.12 10:29:52 by JJR Reply
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  • Although he’s contract starts 1 July, he can be used immediately if Tim / Paul is injured or unavailable…

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.05.12 10:41:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 13) : Isn’t the oke getting married now in June some time. From my recollection from many years ago, a bride to be just won’t appreciate the groom rushing of to Joburg with his mates to play a silly rugby game 2/3 weeks before the wedding when he should be nodding at selection of flowers and napkins :razz:

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.05.12 10:47:03 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : That reminds me, I need to tell my wife again how much I love her for not subjecting me to that!

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.05.12 10:50:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 13) : umm, no… new info has come to light.

    Steyn’s contract with Racing only ends on 30 June. He cannot play for a team other then the one he’s contracted to.

    In short, this is just journos smoking their socks. Steyn cannot play for us this weekend.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.05.12 10:55:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • From Supersport.com:

    “The Stormers management have confirmed that captain Jean de Villiers sat out training on Tuesday with a runny nose…”

    Presumably that’s from the snot and tears he shed after Saturday’s game? :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.05.12 10:56:36 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : well that settles that on steyn this weekend

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.05.12 11:03:12 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 15) : Yeah me too, well my wife anyway. I pity the new almost emasculated generation that have to tag along to all things to do with weddings and when they thought its over then the baby expos have to be done.

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.05.12 11:14:42 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 17) : :mrgreen:

    My husband has the greatest wife!

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.05.12 11:24:22 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Presumably that’s also a new ruling taken in the wake of the Stormers playing Smiley Saracen (cant think of his name :shock: ) in the playoffs last year.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.05.12 11:32:27 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : no – it’s the fact that Racing can sue if the Sharks play him

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.05.12 11:33:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 17) : Or after a “decent” bunny.

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.05.12 11:33:30 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 13) : Great News.

    I say start him, play the territory game, keep the Lions under so much pressure in the first 50 minutes they have to concede penalties and possession. That way we have a comfortable lead and the bonus point with plenty of time to go.

    Then send on the usual gang to gather some confidence against the Lions in dispair . . . :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.05.12 11:34:23 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 24) : apparently the journo who said that (where I got the info from) was smoking his socks…

    Roberto – if he is still contracted to RM, will he be elligable to play for the Boks then..?

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.05.12 11:39:39 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Ok, but then Racing could also grant him permission – with conditions, I presume.

    Anyway I think we should make do without him right now.

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.05.12 11:45:10 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Can Sharks not ask Racing to release him from his contract early? I mean he’s not gonna play for them again…so what’s the point of keeping him tied down?

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.05.12 11:57:10 by JJR Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 26) : Ja, you’re probably right…We will most likely have a 5-2 split on the bench again and the 2 backs will be Viljoen and Ludik/Ndungane, i hope. I saw Viljoen play a couple of games for Cheetahs and 12, and he was very effective, IMO. I will do anything to make sure M.Joubert doesn’t get into the team.

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.05.12 12:00:37 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 25) : yes love… cos that’s different. I mean, he’s played for the Boks before while under contract to Racing, hasn’t he?

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.05.12 12:07:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 27) : ja, I’m sure Racing won’t ask for a fogging MASSIVE transfer fee or anything.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.05.12 12:08:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : o, ja! :lol: :blush:

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.05.12 12:11:57 by Ice Reply
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  • I suspect that we’ll see the same starting team as last week, with the exception of JPP at 13, Odwa at 14 and maybe (but this is a long shot) Jacques Bothes in at 6 so Marcell can get a break on the bench.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.05.12 12:15:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I would make a straight switch with Mjekevu, who I have been very impressed with when I saw him play for the Sharks XV.

    I would not have made any unnecessary changes as Plumtree has hinted he would.

    My team would have been:

    15. Ludik/Viljoen
    14. JP
    13. Mjekevu
    12. Bosman
    11. Mvovo
    10. Lambie
    9. the same as last week.

    Bench

    Bring in Steyn and Deysel somewhere.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.05.12 12:19:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : But marcell will get a rest soon enough, that’s my thinking anyway.

    We could make a bunch of changes because of our depth, but I’d rather not see us make a lot of changes and not get away with a bonus point or even a win.

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.05.12 12:21:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 33) : I must admit, I’ve forgotten about Wandi.

    I doubt he’ll be brought straight in though.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.05.12 12:22:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 34) : Note that I’m not saying that it is what I would do, but rather what I’m expecting from Plum. My gut feel is that Marcell will start though.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.05.12 12:27:18 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Oh Yes, i forgot they French :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.05.12 12:31:22 by JJR Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) : I would personally rest Marcell for this game.

    I would also give Bissie the captaincy and start Hoff.

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.05.12 12:33:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I also think Deysel needs some game time; but we will see what happens.

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.05.12 12:51:47 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 31) :

    All the FS exciment getting to you :P

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.05.12 12:59:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I like that idea.

    So your loose trio would be:

    Hoff
    Willem
    Botes/Deysel

    ???

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.05.12 14:18:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 17) : HAHAHAHAHA :lol:

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.05.12 15:33:01 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 3) : This is probably the best possible team without the likes of Frans and where is Coetzee, Plum don’t need to get adventures this weekend, just pick a team that’s played together and get the 5points, Sharks cant go and throw everything away, they’ve played some good rugby these last couple of weeks, just need to stay focused!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.05.12 15:42:50 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • :twisted: CJ vd Linde was cleared today. :twisted:

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.05.12 17:50:39 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 41) : I’d like to start with Botes, Alberts and Hoff, with Deysel on the bench.

    Well, actually I’d have Keegan on the bench too.

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.05.12 17:55:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 44) : good. He’s soft and he’s a liability in terms of discipline.

    I hope they start him ahead of Cilliers. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.05.12 17:56:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.05.12 17:57:40 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : And if he bites again?

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.05.12 18:10:31 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 48) : well, he was found not guilty, so clearly he didn’t bite anyone in the first place.

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.05.12 19:23:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : I really like this option, as we have so much depth in the loosies and these guys need game time to keep them motivated and in form.

    And I also like the idea of seeing what Bissie can do as a Captain, but would like to see Burden get a good run in the second half.

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.05.12 08:49:16 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I totally agree…the Hoff needs game time – such a classy player when on form!! Burden also needs time…Just out of curiosity what is your top Sharks loose trio? All players fit – All players on form…who is your 3 best??

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.05.12 10:28:12 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Hey Rob, Richard et al. Jacques Botes, 100 Super Rugby and 100 Currie Cup appearances (including a run of 91 consecutive games!); worthy of special mention on the site, no?

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.05.12 10:50:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : I like that combination! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.05.12 12:06:34 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • When is the team being announced already? :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.05.12 12:17:59 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 54) : Fliipit, ja!! One would swear we are playing the All blacks! :lol:

    Come on Plum!

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.05.12 12:19:38 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 55) : I don’t expect many changes. Just in midfield

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.05.12 12:28:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : actually, I would be happy with that. We need to secure 5 points here, and make up some point diffs..

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.05.12 12:36:10 by Ice Reply
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