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Baby Boks named for opener


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 4 Jun 2012 at 09:00
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The IRB Junior World Championship kicks off in Cape Town and Stellenbosch today, with hosts South Africa facing Ireland at 18h45 local time. SA Under 20 coach Dawie Theron has named a strong team for the first match, led by Bulls flanker Wiaan Liebenberg.

A number of players with Super Rugby experience have been included; Sharks centre Paul Jordaan will play right wing, while both locks (Pieter-Steph du Toit from the Sharks and Paul Willemse from the Lions) have also tasted some action in the premier inter-provincial competition. Most experienced of the lot, though, is Stormers prop Steven Kitshoff, starting at loose head.

Sharks under 19 skipper Allan Dell will start at tight head, ahead of provincial colleague Maks van Dyk, who’s on the bench as player 23. Another Sharks lad, Braam Steyn, will cover the loose forward positions off the bench, with teenage sensation Handre Pollard also making the reserve line up. The Bulls’ Tony Jantjies, whose older brother Elton played superbly for the Lions this weekend, is the starting flyhalf.

Baby Boks: 15. Dillyn Leyds (DHL Western Province), 14. Paul Jordaan (KZN), 13. Pat Howard (DHL Western Province), 12. Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 11. Raymond Rhule (Toyota Free State), 10. Tony Jantjies (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 9. Abrie Griesel (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 8. Fabian Booysen (MTN Golden Lions), 7. Wiaan Liebenberg (Vodacom Blue Bulls, capt), 6. Shaun Adendorff (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 5. Pieter Steph du Toit (KZN), 4. Paul Willemse (MTN Golden Lions), 3. Allan Dell (KZN), 2. Mark Pretorius (MTN Golden Lions) 1. Steven Kitshoff (DHL Western Province)

Replacements: 16. Jason Thomas (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 17. Oliver Kebble (DHL Western Province) , 18. Ruan Botha (MTN Golden Lions), 19. Braam Steyn (KZN), 20. Vian van der Watt (MTN Golden Lions), 21. Handrè Pollard (DHL Western Province), 22. Tshotsho Mbovane (DHL Western Province), 23. Maks van Dyk (KZN)



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  • Comment 1, posted at 04.06.12 09:05:35 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Go Bokkies!!!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.06.12 09:06:21 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.06.12 09:07:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Feel sorry for the youngsters that have to prop against the Ginger assassin from the Cape… That’s like a Std 8 kid selected in a game against a 23 year old post matric monster from Groblersdaal…

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.06.12 10:16:04 by The Quirk Reply
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  • The Ireland loosehead,shame man,big man from Queen’s College is coming,well done to my boy Ally on selection

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.06.12 10:50:56 by Ludz Reply

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  • Imagine if this team had Timo Swiel at full-back (the most skilled rugby player of his age I have seen) and Johan Goosen at 10. The team would have been unbeatable.

    Watch this on Timo Swiel: http://www.greenandgoldrugby.co.za/timo-swiel-present-stormer-future-bok/

    I would like to see Oliver Kebble as well when he comes off the bench. Can play both loose and tight-head by all accounts. 128 kgs as well.

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.06.12 11:26:47 by Gaz77 Reply

     
  • @Gaz77 (Comment 6) : Thanks! Nice clip!

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.06.12 11:44:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin Everytime I watch it, I can’t believe the naturaly ability this kid has. The pace and exceptional swerve and attacking from deep is superb ! He has a boot as well. He also has the ability to run-off other players very well. The makings of a good attacking full-back.

    People who went to watch the Lions warm-up game at Newlands saw him in action against Griquas before he got injured and from the word go, they saw his ability.

    Thank goodness he chased England away.

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.06.12 13:02:16 by Gaz77 Reply

     
  • Geez, how’s these scores of the games, I’m way off with my margins

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.06.12 18:40:31 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 9) : You and me both!

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.06.12 18:48:10 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Bokkies looks full of running early on, good first scrum, and line out…

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.06.12 18:50:33 by Franshark Reply
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  • Jantjies puts the first points on the board with a PK,
    And the Ireland 10 puts it equal at 3 all through a PK

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.06.12 19:09:00 by Franshark Reply
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  • JJ Hanrahan(10) gets another PK

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.06.12 19:15:43 by Franshark Reply
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  • A Jantjies kick charged down, Ireland score under the post

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.06.12 19:18:03 by Franshark Reply
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  • SA 3 – 13 Ireland
    30 min

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.06.12 19:19:01 by Franshark Reply
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  • Ireland outplaying SA at the moment. Baby Boks look clueless!! :roll:

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.06.12 19:24:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 16) : Being dominated upfront!

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.06.12 19:29:03 by Ben Reply

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  • SA young-ones struggling…

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.06.12 19:29:13 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : and their defense not so great…

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.06.12 19:33:09 by Franshark Reply
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  • Kebble and van Dyk on for Dell and Kitsoff

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.06.12 19:40:39 by Franshark Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 4) : Seems as if the Ginger assassin has met his match within the first 40 minutes of the totnament, he has been substituted.

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.06.12 19:42:43 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @The Quirk (Comment 4) : Seems as if the Ginger assassin has met his match within the first 40 minutes of the totnament, he has been substituted. :oops:

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.06.12 19:43:10 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Ice has got a problem with socks, I have one with hairstytles, but if it makes them play better (doubtful) then I suppose its OK.

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.06.12 19:45:28 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 23) : :-)

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.06.12 19:47:12 by Franshark Reply
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  • Is this Bokkie team even coached???

    At least Jordaan is showing his class.

    So glad they carted that Bulls scrummie off. Very poor play by him.

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.06.12 19:51:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Van der Watt replaces Griesel

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.06.12 19:51:53 by Franshark Reply
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  • Was a good break by Jordaan…

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.06.12 19:52:10 by Franshark Reply
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  • Willemse score,,,,,,,,,

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.06.12 19:53:40 by Franshark Reply
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  • Jantjies gets the conversion
    SA 10 – 13 Ireland
    54 min

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.06.12 19:55:29 by Franshark Reply
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  • Great work done by Adendorff

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.06.12 19:57:02 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : Jordaan has been poor.

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.06.12 19:58:48 by Ben Reply

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  • JJ Hanrahan(10) drop goal
    SA 10 – 16 Ireland
    57 min

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.06.12 19:58:48 by Franshark Reply
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  • So sad to see that tactical naivete starts so young in SA teams.

    Not a bad team, but they make fundamental mistakes way too often.

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.06.12 19:59:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Jantjies PK
    SA 13 – 16 Ireland
    60 min

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.06.12 20:01:35 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 33) : They remind me of the Sharks Vodacom Cup team. Great team on paper but just can’t get their act together, early days still though..

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.06.12 20:04:14 by Ben Reply

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  • Better play by the Bokkies

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.06.12 20:04:21 by Franshark Reply
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  • That was utter crap!

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.06.12 20:05:45 by Ben Reply

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  • And then they make a hash of it and concede a try…. Damit

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.06.12 20:08:06 by Franshark Reply
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  • SA 16 – 23 Ireland
    69 min

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.06.12 20:10:54 by Franshark Reply
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  • Jantjies PK
    SA 19 – 23 Ireland
    70 min

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.06.12 20:12:45 by Franshark Reply
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  • this PSdT is shit at the lineout…

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.06.12 20:14:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • Aggggg come-onnnnn

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.06.12 20:16:03 by Franshark Reply
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  • Ireland deserved that victory!

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.06.12 20:22:35 by Ben Reply

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  • Ouch
    SA 19 – 23 Ireland
    FULL TIME

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.06.12 20:25:16 by Franshark Reply
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  • Lekker Ireland, SA didnt deserve to be within 10.

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.06.12 20:28:27 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Shoddy game. As usual, an SA side relies too much on a few good players, with little sign of effective coaching.

    Of the much-vaunted bunch of SR players, only Jordaan really looked the part – yet he was played out on the wing. :roll:

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.06.12 20:30:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 31) :

    Poor is an understatement. Jordaan had a shocker.

    Everything he touched turned to sh1t.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.06.12 20:31:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 46) :

    What game were you watching? :roll:

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.06.12 20:31:30 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Just saw my pvr was behind :oops: so the scores came through a bid slooooooow :shock:

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.06.12 20:32:23 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 46) : Come on BF? You are being biased. Jordaan was poor. He had one good line break.

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.06.12 20:32:47 by Ben Reply

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  • Our youngsters just show year after year that the entire rugby philosophy in SA is rubbish. From the word go our kids are taught that big is better. The problem is that the moment the opponents are just as big and strong we haven´t a clue on what to do in order to win.

    There was a lot of talk of how big our centres are. Fat lot of good it did them tonight.

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.06.12 20:37:18 by rhineshark Reply

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  • Sorry guys – I watched from 30 minutes on. From there onward, Jordaan didn’t make any mistakes.

    If he had a poor start to the game, then I guess none of the SR players did well.

    I especially expected more from Kitshoff and du Toit.

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.06.12 20:37:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Anyone else dreading this weekend’s game against the Poms?

    Since Saturday, things have gone from bad to worse.

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.06.12 20:45:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 51) :

    Spot on! I think we resort to brawn because we lack the initiative to outfox and outthink the opposition. We dont seem to play with any skill or attacking precision, it is very sad! We desperately need good skills coaches/backline coaches in SA quicksmart – the only two that are doing a decent job are Hawies Fourie and Spencer at the Lions!

    Our skill set and ball protection is terrible! I remember in the Waratahs v Bulls game the commentators were talking about Sarel Pretorious being on the bench and the reason being that the Tahs had asked him to spend time working on his passing. Pretorius’ had seemingly said that in SA he never spent much time working on it, which kinda shows you how poor the skills coaching is if a 9 isnt even working on his skillset!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.06.12 20:47:39 by Pat Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) :

    You must have been looking the other way every time Jordaan f’d up then :lol:

    Kitshoff did alright. Came off early, and before that he tackled well and was very strong cleaning out rucks. Besides.. You would’ve only seen him for 10 minutes if you started watching 30 minutes in!

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.06.12 20:57:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Aren’t all the S.A. teams supposed to be heading towards a unified blueprint?

    Didn’t HM have a fair bit of input into the Junior Bok(kie) team?

    Should we then expect a game “plan” for the Springboks on Saturday resembling the “hit and run” garbage we were subjected to tonight?

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.06.12 21:05:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) : what game were you watching boet? Kitshoff looked pap. I reckon he asked the coach if he could come off. This is just a repeat of 2011. We have a team with loads of talent but lacking coaching. Looks like a team brought together a day before the game.

    Griessel should have been subbed earlier, he was very poor after he took a kock to the head. Hopefully we’ve seen the last of Howard at 13. Move Jordaan or Small-Smith into 13.

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.06.12 21:06:52 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Argentina spoil the French party AGAIN!!!;-)

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.06.12 21:21:10 by Argex Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) :
    Come on dude: I may only have watched Kitshoff for 10 minutes, but I did expect him to dominate the 2 or 3 scrums I saw. He didn’t – and the scrums greatly improved in the 2nd half. I was surprised by that.

    I’m not a Jordaan fan-boy, as the archives will show, but I do like how he injects pace onto the ball.

    I remember the “Bushmaster” performance in the previous tournament – really hope he rises above that this time.

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.06.12 21:37:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Argex (Comment 58) :

    LEKKER !!!! Like that !!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.06.12 21:38:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Bodes well for the future. Hopefully they can be competitive later in the year as well!! SA played a lot like the Sharks on Saturday. Couldn’t quite get the rhythm going.

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.06.12 21:49:12 by Argex Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : hey mate… very pleased to see you back here

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.06.12 21:51:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) : Kitshoff tackled well? Guess you weren’t watching when the Irish scored their first try then :)

    He’s the fat ginger kid… not sure who you were watching. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.06.12 21:52:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    Fair call. Not sure he was in the same ‘useless’ category as some others, but in hindsight he was not near his best, no.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.06.12 21:54:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Rob,

    Thanks, good to be back

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.06.12 21:56:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • great game shaun adendorff,very poor performance from both scrumies and very poor line kicks all round,we need a left and right kicking flyhalf or scrummie oops but we sent him home,to me vodacom cup experience has a lot to do in a game like this where every one is nervous and must make that step up,experience and skill is more vital than just size ,still very disappointed in the result hope the coaches think this through .expected a lot more in the line-outs as well and at the scrums.we must choose the correct combinations.

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.06.12 22:06:22 by spyderco Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 64) : the players were falling over each other to make mistakes and I’ll concede that Jordaan and du Toit, for all their Super Rugby experience, looked no worse.

    Not quite sure what Allan Dell did to warrant getting subbed.

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.06.12 23:36:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : With his hair you CAN’T miss him.

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.06.12 07:33:31 by lostfish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : Take off the blinkers – Jordaan was terrible – but so were many of the others.
    The stupity of continuing with an ineptly executed kick and chase game when it is clearly not working beggars belief.
    Griesel was shocking – stupid decision making.
    Serfontein runs straight and hard but that’s it! someone should tell him that a 12 should be trying to pass occasionaliy.
    Lineouts were poor. Jantjies was way too deep and slow – just like his brother used to play before Carlos Spencer got hold of him.

    Sadly this mindless poorly executed gameplan is what I think we are going to see more of on the weekend from Meyer’s Boks.
    typical Bulls approach that relies on domination up front and big runners crossing the advantage line – when it doesn’t work there is no plan B – and unfortunately at international level it often doesn’t work

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.06.12 07:50:49 by steve Reply

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  • Wow that was disappointing!

    That side doesn’t seem to be coached AT ALL.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.06.12 08:13:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • One thing we shouldn’t forget is that the Irish have a Junior Six Nations behind them as a team, which they almost won. How often have our guys played together before last night?

    No forget it. Come to think of it, the young Aussies and Baby Blacks also probably haven’t played together and look at how they performed.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.06.12 08:30:17 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 54) : Our problems already start in primary school, where kids of all sizes play against one another in the same age groups. Since some boys develop quicker than others, they quickly become heroes, because they simply run over or through the littler boys.

    In New Zealand they play in weight groups, so kids learn from the start that you need to figure out how to get PAST your opponent. By the time the New Zealand boys play as U20′s, they have caught up with us in the size stakes, but have the skills to go with it. That is why NZ rugby is so good in both the 15 and 7-man formats.

    Imagine if Pierre Spies grew up in Auckland. He would be terrorizing teams all over the world as the next Lomuh, because he would have learned how to use his speed and size correctly. He also would have been on a completely different conditioning program, geared to developing strength and not bulk.

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.06.12 08:40:46 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 72) :
    Spot-freaken-on

    You sir, have just exposed the root of the problem – quickly, contact the minister of sport so that these changes can be made immediately!

    Seriously though, that is the answer to this deep rooted problem.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.06.12 09:05:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 72) :

    Agree totally we are absolutely clueless when it comes to skills and playing attacking rugby. No one thinks that at interntional level you can run teams ragged, however, having a game plan completely based on territory does not work. Kicking is an important component of a WIDER gameplan, but we just make it the whole gameplan. The All Blacks are streets ahead because they play an all round game at all levels; kick if necessary, play an attacking game when it is on, strong set piece etc.

    Exactly regarding Spies, the other thing about him is the Bulls use him close to the ruck. They constantly use him to bash it up in and around the ruck. The guy has serious speed off the mark, they need to bring him in off phase 3 and out in wider channels where he can use his explosiveness and speed.

    @steve (Comment 69) :

    Agree completely, complete lack of innovation and skills, if we dont catch a wake up at all levels we might scrape through against England but there is no way we will get anywhere near Aus or NZ. Whilst I dont know much about Ricardo Laubscher, I just can see how he is going to improve the backline, since he coaches most of the Bulls youngsters like Serfontein and Tony Jantjies. Very disappionting. I’m suprised there wasnt more Lions representation as they won the U19s!

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.06.12 09:06:24 by Pat Reply

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