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Bok Squad contains no surprises if we sit back and think for a minute


Written by Chris Smith (ChrisS)

Posted in :Original Content, Reader Submissions, Springboks on 4 Jun 2012 at 12:28
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There’s been a huge uproar over the make up of the Bok squad due to the large numbers of Bulls and Sharks in the squad and the absence of Stormers stalwarts such as Joe Pietersen, Peter Grant, Gio Aplon and Juan De Jongh. The reality though is that Heyneke Meyer has been hamstrung by the fact that he only has a week to spend with the Boks before the first test match against England. Actually less than a week since training would only begin in earnest on Monday after 2 grudge matches on the weekend!

I was as surprised as everyone else by the team but, now that I’ve had a chance to think about it, the squad makes sense. Heyneke’s given the 50-50 calls to players he knows from the Bulls because he’s spent years there, knows them well, has their trust and knows that they know his gameplan. You can’t (despite the training camps) teach new players a new gameplan and get them to gel within one week. It’s just impossible no matter how talented the players are or how experienced.

I think that the Rugby Championship Squad will show a few significant differences in composition as Heyneke will then have more time to work with his squad. The end of year tour will also bring forth a few changes and we’ll finally begin to understand the coach’s thinking and where he wants to go. Let’s not crucify him for having to fall back on what he knows but rather give him the chance to prove himself and get 100% behind the Boks!!

GO BOKKE!!!



86 Comments

  • Exactly.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.06.12 12:32:01 by King Shark Reply
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  • I absolutely agree with this article; one week to prepare a test side is simply ridiculous, so you really can’t blame the guy for going with players and combinations he’s familiar with.

    Some ballsy calls among the younger players, but I remember that many years ago there was much uproar when Heyneke dropped Joost van der Wetshuizen in favour of an unknown young player by the name of Fourie du Preez, and we all know how that one turned out.

    Bottom line is, the coach has the courage of his own convictions regarding the selections, and we as fans owe it to him to give him the benefit of the doubt, and to continue doing so for a reasonable amount of time. I like the fact that this is the first coach we’ve had who hasn’t started preaching about a 4-year plan right off the bat.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.06.12 12:36:05 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Like!

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.06.12 12:42:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • GO BOKKE!

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.06.12 12:44:55 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 2) : Absolutely LOVE it that he wants to be #1 in between the World Cups too…. :grin:

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.06.12 12:46:00 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 2) : Good post. Agree totally.

    GO BOKKE… :cool:

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.06.12 12:47:17 by Puma Reply

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  • So that explains his selection of Kanko??

    And JJ Engelbrecht?? :roll:

    I don’t agree!! :???:

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.06.12 13:07:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 5) : Same here.

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.06.12 13:09:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Thanks guys! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.06.12 13:17:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Kanko I can’t explain but JJ has been playing well, Heyneke knows him from the Bulls and he’s the type of player he likes!

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.06.12 13:18:28 by ChrisS Reply
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  • The reasoning makes sense but there is no use having a group of players who are used to playing together but are rubbish. You should always pick the best 15 players in the country. If they are truly boks they will make sure they gel within a week.

    Also you imply that Heineke wants to implement bulls style rugby and that it will just take time to teach this game plan to the other players, if that is the case then that’s me out I’m afraid.

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.06.12 13:28:44 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • To me, the English tour is just an excersise – the gem up for grabs is beating NZ in the 4 nations. Use the English for practice – fix the bugs and give the AB’s a lesson….

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.06.12 13:30:06 by Caratacus Reply

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  • I’m willing to give Heyneke a free pass mostly because the squad was probably already settled before the Stormers/Bulls game, and had the Bulls won that game his choices would not have inspired such outrage. Also, given the short amount of time that he has to put the team together, it does make sense that he’d go with players that he knows. Still annoying, but it does make sense.

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.06.12 13:34:52 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 10) :

    How many games has JJ started for the Bulls??

    You do know this is his first season there, right??

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.06.12 13:42:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @Leviathan (Comment 13) : @wpw (Comment 14) :

    The non-selection of the Stormers players will be very good for the rest of the Stormers SupeRugby campaign!

    I hope you guys manage to win the whole damn thing.

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.06.12 13:52:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :

    I agree on those two players.

    Not sure Brussow really deserves to be there at the expense of either Coetzee or Kolisi.

    Kanko has been nowhere this year and Kolisi would have been a deserved call-up.

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.06.12 13:55:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 16) :

    The only reason I can see for JJ’s inclusion is the fact that he can cover centre and wing.

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.06.12 13:56:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I had a laugh the other day when one of my mates said ; The Stormers irritate me because they think all of their players should be Springboks ,the Bulls irritate me because all their players become Springboks, undeservedly so.

    I think the Sharks have so many players because of the strength we have at loose-forward. I think the Stormers fans should just shut up now and bear in mind that they have a few players who would be there that are injured.

    I understand Aplon being left out ,he wouldn’t start in any case, perhaps if he were 3 or 4 years younger . De Jongh for JJ Engelbrecht is perplexing to say the least though and it shows Meyers bias in my opinion.

    As for no Brussow, that is shocking .I’m all for the idea of big forwards but to not recognise the need for a specialist fetch shows me his ignorance and actual depth of rugby knowledge. No fetch=clean ball=easy recycling and quick attack ,versus a team like the wollies or kiwis is just not smart.

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.06.12 13:57:17 by Talent Reply
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  • Maybe pre 2007 we could get away with it ,times they have changed.

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.06.12 13:58:02 by Talent Reply
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  • Overall I don’t think that either JJ or Kanko will make the match 22 in any event.

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.06.12 13:59:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) : I agree! I think Daniel will start. Kanko is cover. JJ is there for experience.

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.06.12 14:07:32 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Simple really; owing to the short time available, the coach has largely selected players that he knows and/or settled combinations. I think everyone agrees with that, and the point is not being disputed.

    Additional to above, he has selected players that he believes has potential AND fits into the style of game he envisages the Boks playing. These players can either be untested youngsters or known players who have gone off the boil or been out due to injuries, etc. This is always going to be contentious, because it comes down to the coach believing he sees something special in these players that others may not, and that he can develop and work with them.

    At the end of the day, I like the fact that we have a coach who says “let me select the players, and judge me on the results achieved”. On that basis I’m happy to Heyeneke him drop a few shockers in our midst.

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.06.12 14:07:32 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : I know that! I think he’s there based on his potential.

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.06.12 14:08:53 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 22) :

    Which centre combination did he go with??

    JJ has played a handful of SR games and didn’t even start the competition at centre.

    If Frans for instance gets injured, which player should logially be next in line to partner JDV??

    As for the other ‘players he knows’, has he ever coached Kanko?? Has Ryan started more than one game for the Sharks this season??

    How many games has Jacques Potgieter played in SR and how well does HM ‘know him’

    I don’t buy it!! :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.06.12 14:19:55 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 24) :

    Kalmeer Wes. Ten minste sal die Stormers lekker rus en dan die S15 wen.

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.06.12 14:26:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 19) : Interesting that it is post 2007 that, the guy whose coaching credentials you are rubbishing, with his successor, have won the Super14 competition 3 times.

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.06.12 14:36:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The selectors have underestimated what a difference international rugby is to Super Rugby. Surely past performance at international level should play a part in selection.

    Someone like Heinrich has performed exceptionally well every time he has played in Green and Gold, from his very first match. Whereas Wynand and Pierre have been given so many chances yet fail to really deliver at international level.

    Some players were born to play test rugby whereas others will never be able to make the step up.

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.06.12 14:46:05 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 18) : Brussouw’s fetching stats is no better than his prop team mate Coennie Oosthuizen’s or Bismark so your last paragraph shows your ignorance of player performances this year. The rules have changed and Heinrich has not adapted to the point where his selection can be warranted based solely on his his fetching skills.

    I also feel for guys like Heinrich and de Jongh, but think that Marcell and JJ deserves the shot. Both players are immensely talented and if given a chance for the Boks may just prove to be the future in their respective positions. JJ is not the one I’m worried about, but why Wynand ahead of de Jong who can play both inside and outside centre, has played for the Boks before and is still a young player with potential to make a midfield spot his own.

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.06.12 14:46:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • Aplon didn’t have a good season, Joe probably played better than Kirchner and is a kicking option, but Kirchner has played for the Boks where Joe hasn’t. Grant is already 27/28 not sure and we have so much young flyhalf talent coming through, it would have been a waste to pick him.

    I don’t know about Keegan, he’s been in some good form the past few weeks, but really showed some of the flaws in his game that you don’t want in a regular starter… I suppose the Kanko/Daniel selection is based on the fact that we don’t have many other fit 8′s in the country right now and would provide backup for Spies in case he picked up an injury.

    I don’t get the Jacques Potgieter selection? He had a few good games, but then he got injured, maybe again Heyneke feels like he is the type of player he wants to play at 7. The big abrasive type, surely Josh Strauss would fit the bill here though, as well as Deysel, who had huge bok potential before a few injuries.

    I think Werner Kruger is a pretty fair selection. We don’t have that much depth at Tighthead, Cilliers could potentially have been selected here, but having to choose between a Lion and a Bull for my team, I’d go for the Bull to. Unfortunately playing for a better team does increase your chances (unless you’re a stormer).

    I wouldn’t have picked Duvenage or McLeod either … Maybe Piet van Zyl, but when Vermaak was with the Lions he always looked solid and dangerous at times. I’m not against his selection and Meyer doesn’t know the player from his Bulls days either, so this isn’t his Bulls bias or whatever, it’s just his opinion of the player.

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.06.12 14:48:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • My biggest concern about the lack of a specialist fetcher is that for 2 of the 3 games we have northern hemisphere refs (if I remember correctly)… who are notoriously bad at managing the breakdown, and without a specialist there I think we’re going to struggle.

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.06.12 14:56:34 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 24) : Wes, you’re getting your knickers in a knot over nothing. Frans Steyn and Jean de Villiers are known quantities, and as far as centres are concerned, Heyneke should know Timotei very well. Kanko, though out of action for a long time, has been part of the SA landscape for more than 5 years, so once again Heyneke should have a good idea of what he is theoretically capable of.

    With regards to Engelbrecht and Potgieter, although they’ve only played a bit of top-flight ruby, Heyneke has obviously seen something he likes. We also do not know what happened at the planning camps. Just because they’ve been selected does not mean they’ll be first choice; hell, they may never make good on the potential that Heyneke thought he saw, and fall out of the group again by the time the Rugby Championships come around.

    For what it’s worth, although I remain convinced that Juan de Jongh is not a test-quality centre, I would have selected him for this series, because I think he’s the best short-term outside centre option we have. But although I disagree with the Springbok coach on this point, I’m willing to allow the coach to make his own choices, and will judge him on the success thereof (as he has requested).

    So…. is Juan de Jongh your love-child, or what? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.06.12 15:07:31 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) : Before we look at my ignorance :lol: one just has to look at his performances in a bok jersey and his performances in the cheetahs jersey in comparison. Ive seen him have one outstanding game for the Cheetahs ,the game vs the British and Irish Lions, which was the basis on which he was selected ,in a better team I wonder how he would do? I can only speculate

    @Salmonoid (Comment 26) :Meyer won 1 super rugby title ,the team didn’t coach itself after that ,get real -such a fallacy ,the anecdotes that surround Meyer .

    @molly (Comment 30) : Good point.Even so we can make do without one vs the poms.

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.06.12 15:17:46 by Talent Reply
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  • One thing that should also be mentioned; The All Blacks during the World Cup used Blue Bull tactics, in the final, and won as a result. They used it as one element of their game plan, not their entire game plan, meaning they can beat us at our own game if they have to.
    I’ve said here before I’m a fan of Bulls rugby.

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.06.12 15:24:21 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 32) : Read it again – it says…”with his successor”

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.06.12 15:25:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 32) : Hopefully, but after watching how Flouw did for the baabaas against Wales, they’re definitely valuable to have. We’ll find out soon enough.

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.06.12 15:39:23 by molly Reply
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  • I agree 100% with this Article, Meyer has less than a week to prepare for lets face a England team that is fired up for this series. He is looking for combinations and to create new ones in a week is near impossible. So go with what is working at the moment, Sharks front row Bulls half pair and maybe even a Shark wing and fullback combo ? I understand the Stormers must be scratching there heads, but lets not look with our ” super rugby” goggles here and be biased, the Stormers aren’t scoring tries and there backs aren’t firing yes they have brilliant players and yes there defense is great. But lets look at it from a SA rugby side perspective we need our backs to be guns blazing, our fetchers to fetch and our front row to Dominate to get front foot ball, and to lay the platform to what could be a big back row. I can see the Castle Championship is going to have a very different look to it with the players “omitted” from this series back in the Squad, but for now we have the players that can do the job for us, so lets get behind the boys and scream from the terraces in our Green & Gold, this squad Meyer has selected is going to surprise us all !!!!! ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.06.12 16:03:06 by garethkorb Reply

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  • I don’t recall White nor PDV being afforded these kinda of excuses first up …

    While I get the whole little time to get a squad together (read screwed up scheduling irb/sanzar balls up)

    One has to start somewhere …start as a means to go on …Whats gonna happen if we lose come Sat or the next …then that whole theory is out the wondow.

    I expressed my reservations for HM as coach but I will give him the same support I did White and PDV …by the way thank you for that ass whipping at Twickenham …my highlight of his reign.

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.06.12 16:13:05 by csb Reply

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  • @garethkorb (Comment 36) : Using that logic HM should have picked all Stormers combinations as they are the team that is winning the most at the moment.

    I sure as heck don’t want our bok backs going out guns blazing but letting through a plethora of tries like the bulls do.

    In a test series like this, defence is number 1 priority. There are no bonus points here.

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.06.12 16:14:13 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • So whats being said actually its okay cause of time constraints …

    After will the ‘ones’ filling the viod just be tossed away …

    Its almost a slap in the face of PDV and the players he and his coaching team selected as ones for the future ..

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.06.12 16:17:31 by csb Reply

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  • When we have a player like Timotei selected it screams Jorrie Muller ..

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.06.12 16:19:26 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 39) : Agreed.

    If the idea was to select players who are used to playing together because of time constraints, then why not just pick the whole team that played the last bok game last year? Heck bring John Smit back as captain because with so little time, how is a new captain going to adjust.

    I wander if HM told people like Wynand that they will be used in the England tests as a safety measure but musn’t get their hopes up!

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.06.12 16:23:33 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 41) :

    Its a interesting point regards to WO …from what I ve read it seems all the players knew before hand of their Bok selection …I’m no expert but my gut tells me thats just wrong and smacks of unprofessionalism.

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.06.12 16:31:27 by csb Reply

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  • Everyone has an opinion – they all count for squat, Meyer is the coach, he will live and die by the way he does his job (all aspects of it) Its as simple as that.

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.06.12 16:38:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 43) :

    Its suppose to be that simple …but hey these are the Boks we talking about …its never that simple .. ;-)

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.06.12 16:43:27 by csb Reply

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  • Come Sat and the whislte blows Im supporting the Boks all the way but I reserve the right to nitt -pick after ..win or lose. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.06.12 16:46:09 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 45) : Just wait for the first loss – its going to be a bloodbath, especially if its against the Poms first up.

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.06.12 16:56:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @csb (Comment 45) : Spare a thought for our soccer coach, it seems he will be out before the week is over. I wonder if he will have any advice to offer Meyer.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.06.12 16:58:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) :

    We’ve seen that movie before …

    @Salmonoid (Comment 47) :

    Pitso imho should have been sacked ages ago …if SA soccer held their coaches accountable like we do in Cricket and Rugby we would not be struggling.

    Its a crying shame how its not being harnessed.

    I reckon whoever wins the 1st test between the Boks and Eng wins it 2-1.

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.06.12 17:03:04 by csb Reply

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  • For me the selection of the squad (bar the absence of a specialist openside) is not really the big issue. I do however believe we still may have a few surprises in the match 22

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.06.12 17:12:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 49) :

    Match 22 if they gel could win even kick ass ..but after that it will get interesting.

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.06.12 17:19:14 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 48) : SA better win it, I can’t take anymore losses…

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.06.12 17:35:00 by Franshark Reply
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  • I think Plum has played ball a little with Meyer regarding the selection of Alberts and Coetzee together in turn he’s pleaded for Daniel to get a selection? Not that he doesn’t deserve it!

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.06.12 17:54:17 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 52) : serious… Negotiations like THAT?

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.06.12 18:11:49 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 53) : mebe :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.06.12 18:14:47 by Talent Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 53) : This is a Bully and a Kiwi we talking about ,you know…

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.06.12 18:18:35 by Talent Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 51) :

    you think you feel bad … :shock:

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.06.12 18:25:52 by Zibbie Reply
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  • just shows that hard work pays off,well done marcell coetzee keep playing like you do vat hulle vas!

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.06.12 22:24:54 by spyderco Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 38) : I disagree with you there slightly, If you you pick a squad or team to go out there and defend rather than attack for test rugby then you are in it for the wrong reasons , yes I agree with you Defense is vital in Super rugby because its a “different” ball game to tests. We need a combination of both if we are to succeed, turn defense into attack when possible, and stand firm when they are at out lines.

    And yes we can not afford to let tries in, but why must we sit back and let them come at us? we have talented players that if given the chance will run with ball.

    I just hope HM doesn’t adopt a Bulls type of play, caus if he does then its going to be long day in the office.

    And last comment about bonus points in test rugby, wouldnt it be great if we had that mentality that we need to score 4 tries every game, and not just be content with 1 try and 6 penalties? Make a statement be bold, be daring, be a team that works on all areas of the game? 1 Dimensional teams are a thing of the past, if we let in 2 tries whilst scoring 5 wont that be a great game to watch? after all we are in this to win not just keep them at bay for 80 min aren’t we ?

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.06.12 07:44:36 by garethkorb Reply

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  • I have a funny feeling this is roughly the 22 Heyneke will go for:

    Beast
    Chilly (lineout combo with Bulls locks)
    Jannie / Werner Kruger
    Van der Merwe
    Juandre Kruger
    Coetzee
    Alberts
    Spies
    Hougaard
    Morne Steyn
    Habana
    Frans Steyn
    JDV
    Basson (best kick chaser)
    Kirchner (combo with Basson)

    Reserves:
    Bismarck
    Werner Kruger / Jannie
    Etzebeth
    Potgieter
    Daniel /Kanko
    Pienaar
    Lambie

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.06.12 07:58:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Let me just be clear – not my combo

    I am second guessing Meyer here

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.06.12 07:59:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Beeld speculates on this starting 15 based on yesterday’s practice runs:

    Beast
    Bismarck
    Jannie
    Etzebeth
    Kruger
    Marcel
    Alberts
    Spies
    Hougaard
    Morne
    Habana
    Frans
    JDV
    JPP
    Kirchner

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.06.12 08:10:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 59) : They say Crusty is training at fullback at the Bok camp not Lambie. So I think your team is about right except the tight five.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.06.12 08:13:02 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 61) : Beat me to it :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.06.12 08:14:07 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 62) : The team Beeld reports as training at least is already an improvement over the team I guessed

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.06.12 08:15:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 64) : Yes Im pleased with it. Just dont know if JDV is a 13. And Lambie is far better than Crusty.

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.06.12 08:18:33 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 65) :

    I’m by no means a Krusty fan, but he’s has been pretty good this year at fullback.

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.06.12 08:33:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 65) : I don’t know how much our Lions performance affected the coaches decision – Pat had an uncharacteristically horrid time at fullback

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.06.12 08:42:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Ah yes Krusty with a K. Yes I have to admit he has improved a lot. But do you think hes better than Pat at fb?

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.06.12 08:43:40 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 68) :

    It’s difficult to say. Lambie had a shocker on Saturday after a good game last week.

    From a neutral’s point of view would you pick a guy that has played 2 games this season at 15 of which one was terrible or the guys that has played 15 all season and done pretty well?

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.06.12 08:46:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 68) :

    Kirchner at fullback is a solid option and as Pokkel says he has been playing well this year.

    Lambie hasn’t played much at fullback and will probably cover 10 and 15 from the bench.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.06.12 08:48:00 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 69) : @wpw (Comment 70) :
    How’s that saying go again?….

    Form is temporary, class is permanent…yeah that’s it.

    You reckon Krusty’s form will be good enough to see him through a test against the Poms, ’cause Lambie’s class has not failed at test level – ever.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.06.12 08:52:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) :

    Hoesit, ek het jou lanklaas gesien?

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.06.12 08:54:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 72) : Ja, om op te hou blog oor Sharks rugby is moeiliker as om op te hou rook – bloemin onmoontelik :grin:

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.06.12 08:56:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) :

    I wouldn’t have picked Krusty but we have to look at this through neutral eyes. Krusty has joined the line quite well this year and he is high on the stats with offloads and try assists.

    I would pick Lambie over Krusty always but it’s not a terrible choice.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.06.12 08:56:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 74) : I’m just afraid old sideshow Bob is of the same calibre as “Chip & Dale’s” Olivier – does well at provincial/franchise level but has a nervous breakdown at international level.

    And I believe that is the difference between class and form. But I’ll support old Krusty as a Springbok player, but if we lose because of him I’ll have no mercy :twisted:

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.06.12 09:00:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 75) : Was his last Bok appearance at 13 or at 15? I do recall he seemed very overawed by the occasion

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.06.12 09:06:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 76) : You’ve got me on that one, can’t quite remember – but yeah, Krusty does not inspire a lot of confidence.

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.06.12 09:15:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Krusty: http://www.silverbox.com/krusty/images/krusty.gif
    Sideshow Bob: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgvji6M5zZ1qd5020.jpg

    Let’s at least try to get it right folks! :grin:

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.06.12 10:22:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 78) :

    Definitely Krusty :grin:

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.06.12 10:34:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @garethkorb (Comment 58) : I am by no means an advocate of defensive (negative) rugby I was just trying to disprove the logic of this article. If the idea was for HM to pick a team because they are used to playing together then it would make sense to pick stormers players rather than bulls players. I do not want this to happen (for the record, I believe that out of the Stormers picked, the only 1 that should be there is Eben). I do not agree with this article, I believe that HM has picked who he believes are the best players to match his chosen game plan, an approach I also don’t agree with.

    Regarding your preferred approach to test rugby, I agree that we need a balance of defense and attack, but I think to try and score bonus points every game, especially in a tour that doesn’t involve bonus points is careless. Every coach we have had since I can remember (except Jake White and HM) has come out saying that he will employ an exciting and expansive game plan. JW’s style was flipping boring rugby centred on exceptional defense, tactical kicking, strong forward play and opportunistic tries…that is what won us a world cup. I would rather support a team that wins the cup than entertains in the 3rd/4th playoff!

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.06.12 10:43:30 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 80) : I agree with your response Eben should be there. And yes Careless rugby is not the way to go, I just don’t want to be like I said one Dimensional. I can see this team going far in the years to come. We need our Boks to do well and what ever that takes I am Behind them 100%

    Here’s to a great series of hard fought test rugby between 2 power houses.

    Crouch,
    Touch,
    Pause,
    ENGAGE !!!!!!!

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.06.12 11:43:22 by garethkorb Reply

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  • @garethkorb (Comment 81) : :grin: :grin: :grin: it is going to be epic!

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.06.12 11:55:05 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • I think we all need to realise a few things: 1. Every coach has his favourites and ideas about players and no coach will pick the side the public thinks is best. 2. Every coach will be judged on each and every result, a coach will not be judged on the squad he picks!

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.06.12 12:22:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I believe HM will get us playing winning rugby, though not necessarily spectacular winning rugby. :grin: I love spectacular winning rugby. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.06.12 12:54:18 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Orelando_G (Comment 80) : Should Heyneke rather choose players that don’t suit/match his chosen gameplan?? :shock:

  • Comment 85, posted at 06.06.12 13:28:22 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 85) : I didn’t explain fully.

    My perception is that HM has decided on his gameplan already regardless of who were are playing against or what players he has at his disposal. I believe it should be the other way around, choose the best basic players, and then fit the game plan according to their strengths and the opponents weaknesses. At least in the 32 man squad, that way you have scope to change gameplan if things are not working out.

  • Comment 86, posted at 06.06.12 13:35:51 by Orelando_G Reply

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