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Bok player ratings v England: Second test


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 18 Jun 2012 at 07:30
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The Boks pipped England for a second successive week, but again battled to put together a truly dominant 18-minute performance. Let’s rate the individuals involved.

1) Beast Mtawarira. A real game of two halves for the big prop; Beast was very good in the first period, but struggled – along with the rest of the pack – in a pretty dire second half. 6/10
2) Bismarck du Plessis. Played a big innings and led from the front. The Bok intensity up front took a marked dip when he was replaced. One or two lineout wobbles prevent him form getting 9. 8/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. Played his best test match in quite some time. Solid as a rock at tight head and got involved plenty in the rest of the game, with some lovely tackles and a few strong drives too. Looks like a man who’s loving his rugby. 7/10
4) Eben Etzebeth. Like a man who is slowly building a name for himself at this level, Etzie did some good things, but also disappeared a little when the English pack started to turn the screws. 5/10
5) Juandre Kruger. Was dominant in the air and again showed a huge work rate. The Boks will hope that he’s ok to play this weekend, as he looks the part. 6/10
6) Marcell Coetzee. Made a bright start and was very involved in the play early on, only to get sucked back into the general forward malaise in the second half. 6/10
7) Willem Alberts. Along with Bismarck, set the tone and the benchmark for the rest of the pack in an astounding first half. The pack’s intensity dropped of markedly when he was replaced. 8/10
8) Pierre Spies. A far better test from a player who took a lot of heat during the week. Was physical and involved throughout, with some strong carrying work. A great 70 minute display and one he can definitely build on. 7/10

9) Francois Hougaard. A far better game from the scrumhalf, who (for the most part) delivered quick and accurate ball to those outside him. Playing behind a pack as dominant as the Boks’ in the first half, though, is not much of a test of a scrumhalf’s ability, but Hougie did pretty damn well regardless. 7/10
10) Morne Steyn. I’m going to take a lot of heat for this, but rating Steyn on his general play, I though he was one of the better backs. He would have got a 7 or above, but unfortunately, he missed four kicks at goal and had even two of those gone over, the English would never have been in with a sniff. 6/10
11) Bryan Habana. Failed to live up to the high standards he set for himself the previous week, but showed what a vital cog in the Bok wheel he is with superb kick-chasing work and great defence. 6/10
12) Francois Steyn. A pretty good test for the man; he looked far better at centre than he did at fullback, though, where his imposing physical presence in midfield caused nightmares for the English. If I can make one criticism, it’s that he made far too many silly “no look” offloads that cost the Bos possession. 7/10
13) Jean de Villiers. Another who was not quite as good as the previous week, but still looked pretty decent. Showed great maturity and leadership to keep the troops calm while England were dominant and inspire them to turn the tide. 7/10
14) JP Pietersen. Simply sublime in everything he did. The Boks’ best player on the field. 9/10
15) Pat Lambie. Sad to say, but it was a pretty forgettable test from the man we all wanted to see at 15. Lambie misjudged a high ball early on, fell badly on his ankle coming down and simply wasn’t in the game after that. 4/10

16) Adriaan Strauss. Afraid he showed exactly why Bismarck is first choice. The pack took a big step back when he came on, along with a few other replacements. 4/10
17) Werner Kruger. Yet to show that he’s up to it at this level of the game. Corbisiero made him look silly in the scrums. 3/10
18) Flip van der Merwe. Added a wee bit of steel to the Bok pack when he came on and helped to stem the tide. 6/10
19) Keegan Daniel. Hasn’t really played open-side flank in quite some time and seemed a little unsure of his role. Not the sort of player who’ll ever come into his own in a pack that’s back-pedalling. 4/10
20) Ruan Pienaar. While Hougaard was given an armchair ride in the first half, the forwards ensured that for Pienaar, it was more like a horror movie. Did reasonably, without being either good or bad. 5/10
21) Wynand Olivier. Another 30 minutes in a test, another completely anonymous showing. When will this ridiculous experiment end? 4/10
22) Bjorn Basson. Unused sub.



66 Comments

  • Still can’t understand why Aplon wasn’t picked on the bench after Basson wasn’t even used.

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.06.12 07:39:13 by Ben Reply
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  • Two consecutive weeks that a winning Bok team is made up predominantly of Sharks. Two consecutive weeks where man-of-the-match awards went to Sharks players. That makes me both incredibly happy for the Sharks players, and incredibly frustrated and annoyed at our mediocre franchise performance… :cry: :evil:

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.06.12 07:44:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 2) : exactly. We can no longer doubt the ability of our players to perform at the highest level.

    Wish we could say the same about our pumpkins coaches

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.06.12 07:51:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • I couldn’t belive my eyes to see how Spies played on yesterday. Let’s hope he keeps that up because it was a pretty good outing from a guy I have never really rated.

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.06.12 08:12:00 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :
    :lol:

    Agree with both you and Newcastle’s finest.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.06.12 08:16:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Great comments, a little harsh on Lambie though, he was on the money until his injury?? So I’ll be the first to disagree with you over Morne’ Steyn, I thought with the exception of some fantastic tactical punts, he was completely average in all facets of play, that even with the pack in complete control. Compare his impact to that of Hougaard. You really want your flyhalf to be standing out when a pack is in that mood? Yes, he passed the ball (more like shuffled as it was immediate) to Fransie and Lambie who made some key passes from there, but when it counted he was nowhere. He seemed to be caught between passing the ball straight away or having a silly run with 10 steps left and right and then not passing at all! Nowhere was this more apparent than at the start of the second half, a pivotal period where had we scored again perhaps the belief would have gone from the English. He was 5m out with what looked like a 4 on 2 on the outside, and he did the same left step, right step and then got smashed. He should have passed! It also seems he has developed a habit of trying hand off in the tackle with the ball leading in front of him, on one occasion it looked a like a pimp taking a handbag from a prossie!
    So yes, for me he has had more than enough opportunity to prove himself and if he isn’t slotting the goals, he must take a break.

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.06.12 08:23:48 by neilster Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 6) : That was very funny! Morne Steyn trying to hand off tacklers! :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.06.12 08:27:12 by Ben Reply

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  • I think the big difference between the Sharks and the Boks is the quality of players 9 – 13.

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.06.12 08:27:53 by CS Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 2) : “like”

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.06.12 09:33:01 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 8) : I think it`s a combination of things.

    Coaching.
    COMMITMENT.
    9

    :evil:

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.06.12 09:34:03 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 10) : Don’t think it’s fair to question the players commitment. But i do think that the coaching has everything to do with it. :???:

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.06.12 09:38:18 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Way off on Lambie my friend. 1 mistake and he gets a 4?? interesting. He joined the line, floated a gr8 pass to put JP in space…
    Same goes for Morne’s rating. Trying new things and getting them right are two very different things. AND I AM THE FIRST TO SAY THAT A 10 SHOULDNT BE RATED PURELY ON KICKING. Any linebreaks, linebreak creates,etc?
    Lambie a 6 or 7
    Morne a 5 or 4

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.06.12 09:43:01 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Holey Moley, Im probably more critical of Patrick than most around here but I think his mark is unfair in this instance – despite being injured and heavily strapped he played on and was at no time found wanting. To dock him points for misjudging the high ball and coming down badly is a bit rough.
    Also feel the criticism of Strauss is a bit harsh and personal and may be more appropriate once he is afforded a starting spot with the same scrum personnel that Bismark had. I do think Bismark should start, when available, but Strauss is really only a whisker behind.

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.06.12 09:43:54 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 11) : True coaching has a lot to do with it.

    But how do we explain Alberts who suddenly gets over the advantage line against much stronger opposition?

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.06.12 09:51:08 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) : can’t win… when I give Sharks players high ratings, I’m being biased, when I give Sharks players low ratings, I’m being unfair.

    Maybe Pat deserves a point or two more? Who knows… at the end of the day, these are subjective based on the way I see the game, and will always be countered by the stats article later in the week.

    Perhaps I was a little harsh when it comes to him, but I stick by what I said about Morne and about Strauss, who I thought was anonymous. Nothing personal in that… the guy was a country mile behind Bismarck.

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.06.12 09:52:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 1) : Heyneke won’t use all his subs. He keeps one guy in case of an emergency at the end, since the only players that may go back on the field after being subbed, are the front rows.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.06.12 09:54:39 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 2) : I believe that Plum is a great forwards coach but not a great head coach. Heyneke on the other hand is supreme. Another factor lacking at franchise level, is that we do not have a psychologist at the sharks (unlike the bulls and stormers) whilst Heyneke himself is a sports psychologist.

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.06.12 09:56:55 by King Shark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Rob, you will be glad to know that I agree with your ratings this week. Seems I am no longer the only person to have noticed how Jannie has lifted his game in the green and gold ;-)

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.06.12 09:58:53 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 16) : You are missing the point.

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.06.12 09:59:37 by Ben Reply

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  • A friend surprised me with a free ticket to Saturday’s game and the seats were awesome! One thing that was as clear as daylight is how good Jean’s defense is at 13. I’m not sure how much of it was visible on television but there were a number of occasions where the England backline had a clear overlap and he simply cut down their space and halted all momentum with a single tackle (no idea where Habs was on those occasions?). The man possesses amazing anticipation and should only be played at 13 from now on.

    Jean was monumental in the period in which SA were misfiring and had a huge influence in keeping England in check. In my opinion the man of the match could have easily gone to him were it not for JPP’s incredible linebreak and try.

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.06.12 10:04:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 18) : I actually mentioned it last week (in the rating thread if I recall). Great minds! :grin:

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.06.12 10:07:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Yes Strauss was poor, but the way I read it you are first and foremost placing the blame on him for the packs woes.

    Agree on Steyn.

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.06.12 10:14:04 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 14) : Coaching….

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.06.12 10:19:52 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @King Shark (Comment 17) : *double like*

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.06.12 10:20:56 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 6) : Have to agree with you on Steyn. He butchered an almost certain try on the England tryline by trying to go it alone. Thought he had a much better innings in the first test!

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.06.12 10:22:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I cannot say that I agree on a fair few of these ratings..

    Thought JDV was very good again- 7 or 8, also to me Etzebeth 7 at least was getting into the swing damn good, JPP looked lazy in the 1st, but stepped up well and had a great break, might give him a 8. And I don’t think Timotei was that bad..I’d give him a 6. Lambie also to me was very good untill his injury (he did not misjudge that highball- he had the help of a little nudge that also made him not come down straight, but scew on his ankle)

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.06.12 10:30:36 by Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 22) : no, read to the end of the sentence.

    Not blaming him alone, but the replacement of Bis, Jannie and Alberts with Strauss, Kruger and Daniel happened more-or-less simultaneously. All three, to my mind, were poor in that they were a marked step down from the guys they were replacing.

    The only oke who you can cut even a little slack is Keegan, cos he’s hardly a like-for-like replacement for Alberts. I didn’t though…

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.06.12 10:38:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : please mention one thing that Wynand Olivier did in the match? Just one…

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.06.12 10:38:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lambie needs to get his act together and do something from the back instead of just going through the motions. Allowing one of his wings to catch the ball when the heat is on and then disappear in the ruck is pretty poor fullback play.

    The only thing he offers at fullback for me is safety as the last line of defence and sometimes a decent kick of two.
    He is best when he gets the ball more often and he is close to the advantage line .
    Best position is flyhalf.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.06.12 10:38:58 by Talent Reply
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  • Although not so sure about a 4 maybe a 5 or 6 :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.06.12 10:40:32 by Talent Reply
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  • This dead rubber test is the perfect time for Meyer to add another string to his bow in terms of developing his squad and even putting a different spin on his game plan by means of his selection .
    Changes :
    Strauss at 2
    Flip at 4
    Spies at 7 because we know Meyer will never drop him
    Daniel at 8
    Pienaar at 9
    Lambie at 10 Morne will go to Meyer and throw his toys haha
    JDV at 12
    WO at 13 far away from a decision making role :D

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.06.12 10:46:14 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : The end of the sentence mentions “a few others”, no one by name, as Strauss was mentioned, The others also not mentioned as contributing to the scrum problems in their ratings.

    Ah Keegan, forgot about him, I thought he was very good, especially on defence so maybe he could have a point or 2 more.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.06.12 10:52:01 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 31) : As long as we win this test too…..we want a white wash..we need to develope the killer instinct…. none of this “well at least we won the series” crap. :grin:

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.06.12 10:55:41 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 31) : no test in which jerseys or caps are awarded is ever meaningless.

    Pick the strongest available team and go all out to win at all costs.

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.06.12 11:02:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : your ratings, in full, please?

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.06.12 11:02:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    He had his tackles. competed at the breakdown!! :roll:

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.06.12 11:03:46 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    Rob, i know your ratings are subjective BUT i thought Etzebeth had a very decent game.

    He carried the ball well, made 9 tackles and missed none, cleaned out rucks and despite the 2 penalties conceded he had a very good game!! :smile:

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.06.12 11:08:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : better than his debut

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.06.12 11:10:52 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : well I stated what meaning it should have previously.

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.06.12 11:13:28 by Talent Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : you know I don’t look at stats before doing these ratings.

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.06.12 11:16:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : he gelled his hair! :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.06.12 11:19:16 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 41) : he’s a great Super Rugby player, but has been awful in each of his 30+ tests.

    Enough already

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.06.12 11:23:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 41) : :lol:

    Rob, I did not look at stats, but I found that he was more visible on defense than usual and put in a couple of nice tackles. Its just how I observed it. He could have missed all of them, but I thought he tried. He is far off our centres…but I just don’t think he did anything wrong either to put him on the wrong side of middlemark..

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.06.12 11:29:26 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Much like Sideshow Bob. Just can’t cut it at test level.

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.06.12 11:32:23 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 43) : I dunno hey… maybe “making your tackles” to me isn’t enough to warrant a pass mark.

    Look, as has been widely pointed out, there reason to debate every single one of these ratings. Quite happy to entertain other peoples’ opinions after the fact, but at the time of writing, I’m afraid mine is the one that counts :)

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.06.12 11:34:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) :

    Seems you don’t look at the game either!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.06.12 11:41:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : if I agree with you, I’d be wrong!

    All fair – as u say – this is how you see it, and my opinion differ on how I saw it…nothing wrong with that, won’t be the first time either! :lol:

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.06.12 11:41:47 by Ice Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 46) : your hair dresser invested in SuperSport HD? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.06.12 11:45:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 47) : if I agree with you, I’d be wrong!

    Hey… isn’t that MY line? :o :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.06.12 11:45:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) :

    At least I HAVE hair!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.06.12 11:47:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.06.12 11:48:54 by Ben Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : touche, but you’re changing the subject.

    So I take it your wife actually let you watch the test, for a change? Do tell me, in full, what the ratings should have been, please.

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.06.12 11:53:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rumour has it that Timotei will start at 12 and Aplon at 15 with Jacques Potgieter at 7. :shock:

    Joe Pieterson also called up to the squad as cover.

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.06.12 11:59:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Average player rating here comes out at just a little over 6/10

    What do you guys think? Was that a little on the low side given how good the Boks were in the first half? What should the team overall have got out of 10?

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.06.12 12:00:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) : How funny was the comment that one of the commentators made.

    “Etzebeth looks like a human but just a lot bigger.” :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.06.12 12:00:50 by Ben Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 50) : eina :lol:

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.06.12 12:01:15 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) :

    Pretty fair…..I don’t really know how good this England team is.

    After the first 20min I though we’ll put 50 on the scoreboard.

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.06.12 12:02:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 47) : @robdylan (Comment 49) :
    Good line…… :-)

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.06.12 12:20:26 by Franshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : For the most part Im with you on yours, Ive mentioned my differences and I dont want to take the shine off your articulate article. :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.06.12 12:48:08 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 55) : sooooo funny!

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.06.12 13:46:33 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 55) : I think it was Bob that said it, and yes I cracked myself…

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.06.12 14:27:44 by Franshark Reply
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  • “pipped England” is being far too generous to the Poms. For the 2nd week in a row the scoreboard flattered the visitors. Yes, they came back to only 4 points of the Boks at one point…but that was due to a combination of missed kicks, Bok complacency and injury disruption. The biggest factor that allowed England back into the game was the appalling lineout on our own line that gifted them 7 points and allowed them to regain some confidence. I’m not sure which bright spark called a deep lineout on our own line or if perhaps Bissie just missed his throw completely, but that was a criminal mistake at test level.

    I have watched this game 3 times now and the Poms were destroyed in that first half. If Steyn had his kicking boots on they would have been dead and buried and should have been looking at conceding 50 points.

    As I’ve mentioned countless times before Werner Kruger is nowhere near an international tighthead, he is not even a good enough Super rugby tighthead…but it just shows our lack of depth in this position. We are trying to turn Coenie into a 3 and he did a very decent job when coming on in the first test.

    It’s tough to blame Strauss and give him a low rating when your tighthead is getting drilled so badly. Same story for Keegan, difficult to make your mark when the front 5 are under a lot of pressure.

    Granted there were a few injuries but other substitutions were unnecessary. It drives me mad when coaches make subs just for the sake of it, or to just give someone a run. Subs should only be made if they are likely to make an impact or if the starting player is not performing!

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.06.12 14:32:38 by Villie Reply
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  • From my contacts this side, it sounds like Botha, Strettle and Morgan will not be in the test side on Sat and Danny Care is likely to start at 9. Can only mean that Thomas the Tank will start at 8 and the Poms have probably only now discovered there best 15. The biggest Eng weakness has been at lock where Parling and Botha are distinctly average. Marler has also struggled and you could see the difference Corbisiero made when coming on at loosehead…although he was lucky to only be penalised once. Should have conceded at least one more penalty at scrum time.

    Will be interesting to see how Steve Walsh blows this one this weekend.

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.06.12 14:36:10 by Villie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 53) : Joe P has not been called up. Rob Louw has his wires very crossed

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.06.12 14:47:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob, is Brad back for the Poms this week? I believe he should be ok..but not sure he will start.

    Not sure he offers them enough in attack so think they may stick with the Tuilagi/Joseph partnership. Will be interesting if they give Wade a bash on the wing. The guy is lightening if given the chance…but Lancaster is wary of him against the Bok tactics of putting up the high ball!

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.06.12 14:52:36 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) :

    eish :oops:

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