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Talk of yet another player revolt against Mitchell


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Super Rugby on 22 Jun 2012 at 08:00
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According to an overnight media report, Lions coach John Mitchell could find his tenure at the Lions in doubt after complaints from players about his heavy-handed management style.

Pieter Jordaan, writing for Beeld, alleges that Mitchell’s approach in dealing with players, which hovers somewhere between blunt and downright tactless, may well drive him out of yet another coaching job, after player power led to his exit from the Western Force a few years back.

Mitchell was dumped as All Black coach back in 2003 after a disappointing World Cup campaign, with rumours of unpopularity dogging his time at the helm there as well. According to Jordaan, the Lions are trying to find a way to manage the issue without getting rid of their coach, but the additional uncertainty around whether the team will compete in Super Rugby next year is complicating the picture further.

Just rumours and speculation at this stage, of course – we’ll let you know if anything concrete comes of this one.



28 Comments

  • Man the fck up!
    Surely if they (players) played decent rugga JM wouldn’t be in a bad mood. Do your job on the field and the “boss” will treat you better. If not….. take like a man.
    Wussies.

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.06.12 08:04:24 by Silky Reply
     
  • Rob, if you speak to some of the Lions players, you will find out that the coach is not exactly loved by the players.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.06.12 08:06:24 by Bump Reply
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  • Spoilt brats!!!

    You need hard words from someone if you’re always lagging at the bottom end of the Super-competition! Geesh.
    Just read the article on Derrick Minnie in SA Rugby where he absolutely had to step up. Mitchell didn’t send the guy a teddybear and a box of chocolates to get him to notch up!

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.06.12 08:09:25 by JustPlainSHARK Reply
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  • @Silky (Comment 1) : In the same vein, the boss should state his view and then abide by that view. Players need to know what is expected of them, and where they need to improve. It should not be ever changing viewpoint from the coach.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.06.12 08:09:27 by Bump Reply
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  • @Bump (Comment 4) :
    True, but the players have an ever changing gameplay. One week better at this next week woeful in that.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.06.12 08:14:26 by JustPlainSHARK Reply
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  • @Bump (Comment 4) : Those players looked happy at the end of 2011. Now that the honeymoon is over they complain. Surely JM is the same person he was in 2011, but just like any “boss” he get’s ticked off when they don’t perform. Look I understand a loss against a better team but some of those Lions performances was shocking and any coach will have some hard words at the end of the game. JM has done wonder with the team of “nobodies” and yes maybe he push them a bit hard but you cannot stay on “cruise control” forever.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.06.12 08:15:52 by Silky Reply
     
  • Players are adults, and would probably react better when being spoken to accordingly.

    For Mitchell, it’s not a tactic to be ‘strict’. He’s just not a very nice person.

    A leopard doesn’t change its spots. I said it a few months ago (about Mitchell), and had my head bitten off… but what can I say! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.06.12 08:25:18 by hendrikp Reply
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  • @Silky (Comment 6) :

    Someone has to finish at the bottom.

    For the Lions, it has nothing to do with a lack of effort. It’s simply a lack of skill. They aren’t in the same league as the other 4 SA teams.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.06.12 08:26:39 by hendrikp Reply
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  • Its the players jobs to play good rugby. If they don’t do their jobs the have to be set on the right path and be strict. Mitchell is a great coach and doesn’t take nonsense. He is not your friend he is your boss. Let those players go. We have a lot of young players comings threw the ranks like Paul Willemse, Andries Coetzee, Ruan Botha,

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.06.12 08:34:16 by Mutley Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) :

    For once I agree with you! ;-)

    The Lions players are just not good enough!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.06.12 08:43:43 by wpw Reply
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  • I don’t want JM as coach for the sharks anymore this isn’t the first time this happen so clearly he must be doing something wrong, looks like if the going gets tugh he takes it out on the players @Silky (Comment 6) :have you ever thougt that he might have pushed them too hard, if you get a massive amount of work it will be fine for a while but after that you won’t be able to do it all @Mutley (Comment 9) : and how long do you think that will last , soon they will also become unhappy and they won’t stay if they are unhappy

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.06.12 08:58:33 by BR Reply
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  • I see player motivation as a major problem for the Lions, they pretty much proved it to me in the last match against the Sharks and the CC Final last year, their team being full of ex Sharks players that could never make the ‘A’ team, gets so motivated to prove them selves, they play out of their skin. That to me shows they have the talent, but obviously they do not feel the need to prove their skill to any other team but the Sharks.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.06.12 09:09:15 by Uli Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 7) : “He’s just not a very nice person.”…so how long have you known him on a personal level?

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.06.12 09:10:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Never met the man, but in all fairness he coached an All Black side that was’nt the best they’ve had. As for the Western Force – they are still somewhere near the bottom of the log, despite JM and other coaches best efforts. The Lions are no different. People that populate losing teams tend to like to blame others and whinge – Aussies being prime time whingers. We’ve lost a few players who didnt get on with Plum, but the sharks move on and get over themselves. So do other sides.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.06.12 09:36:35 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Caratacus (Comment 14) : Still wish we could get Kockott back now that McLeod is performing under par.

    Him and Plum did not see eye to eye, then again it seemed as though him and JM also didn’t exactly get along.

    Happy to be able to see him tonight though. :grin:

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.06.12 09:44:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 12) : Unfortunately your theory is applicable to the Sharks as well . . .

    Only I`m still trying to figure out when they switch on for a match. Hopefully against the bulls . . .

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.06.12 09:52:15 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 16) : The Sharks switch on against the real tough opposition.

    We’ll do well in a Super 6 or Super 8 Tournament as their won’t be any bottom feeder teams.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.06.12 09:57:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • imagine if the lions didn’t have problems with their coach, they would’ve moered the sharks by a BIGGER score! :shock:

    it says a lot about the sharks’ real pedigree when they can’t even beat a bunch of disaffected lions players :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.06.12 10:14:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 16) :
    @FireTheLooser (Comment 17) : haha true

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.06.12 10:14:25 by Uli Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : Always rated Kockott – he was a wildfire scrummy when he came on off the bench something good always happened.

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.06.12 11:17:19 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) :

    Witty aren’t you.

    I’ve met him, but I don’t know him, no.

    I do know someone high up in the ‘ranks’ though, who claims to not want a bar of him.

    Let’s leave it at that :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.06.12 11:25:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) : Sadly, you have a point :sad:

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.06.12 13:01:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) : The reality is that he is not a very good man manager when things are not going his way. If you hear the players views, on the way that they have been treated, he is not a very nice guy.

    Just as all of us want our boss at work to be transparent and above board in his dealings with us, so do the Lions players. However that is not what they get, he seems to change his view point from one meeting to the next.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.06.12 15:22:49 by Bump Reply

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  • I wonder if Management at the Lions are looking for an excuse to fire him rather than have to pay him out when the Lions get relegated next season and they therefore no longer have a job for him.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.06.12 16:40:12 by CS Reply

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  • @Bump (Comment 23) : The views on Mitchell are not new, but I dont personally know him so I would rather not offer an opinion on a personal trait of the person, especially on something in which so many different dynamic play a part.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.06.12 10:15:05 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Bump (Comment 23) : Difference is, a staff revolt at work does bugger all in getting rid of someone you don’t like. “He’s not a nice guy,” won’t cut it at CCMA.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.06.12 11:05:20 by klempie Reply

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  • FT All Blacks 60 – 0 Ireland

    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.06.12 11:16:35 by klempie Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 7) :

    If you are allowed to share your views on Mitch . Are we allowed to share our views on you ?

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.06.12 13:45:56 by Zibbie Reply
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