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Play Bok Coach 2015…Today


Written by Jean-Jacques Rousseau (JJR)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 27 Jun 2012 at 15:51
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Heyneke rightly believes in a win at all cost mentality, which is great! But that doesn’t mean neglecting the talents SA has coming through.

I’m a great believer in balance; and that goes into rugby too, the blend of talented youth and experience is very important. A lot has to do with mentality, when we see our experienced players drop in aggression on the field we often see the new youngsters step up and put in the big hits, make the hard yards, etc.

So if i was tasked to pick 32 man springbok squad for World Cup today this is how it would go-

1- Beast, Kitshoff and Coenie
2-Bissie, A.Strauss and Chilli.
3-M.Van Der Merwe and Maks Van Dyk
4-Etzebeth and Paul Willemse
5-Juandre Kruger , Andries Bekker.
6-Heinrich Brussouw and Flouw.
7-Alberts and PSDT
8-Burger, Coetzee and Kolisi
9-Francois Hougie, Piet van Zyl.
10-Goosen, Lambie and Pollard (remember thinking towards 2015)
11- Habana and Emil Schwartz
12- Jan Serfontein and Tim Whitehead
13- Paul Jordaan, Kriel twin(maritzburg College)
14-JPP
15- Francois Steyn

I think this would be a really good squad(for 2015 world cup) that has the balance and fully utilises the best rugby talents SA has to offer, In my opinion.

What’s your 32 and what players do you think should be included looking at what you see today and what players should maybe excluded. Gonna be a good discussion :smile:



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  • Off the top of my head… Difficult to really put together considering player movements etc etc.

    1. Beast, Ginger, Guthro
    2. Bismarck, Strauss, Chili
    3. Jannie, Coenie, Frans Malherbe
    4. Etzebeth, Flip, Paul WIllemse
    5. Bekker, Juandre Kruger
    6. Schalk, Brussouw,
    7. Alberts, Coetzee, Kolisi
    8. Vermuelen, Spies
    9. Ruan Pienaar, Frans Hougaard
    10. Lambie, Goosen, Morne
    11. Habana, Willie Le Roux
    12. Frans Steyn, Jan Serfontein, Francois Venter
    13. Paul Jordaan, William Small Smith
    14. JPP, JJ Engelbrecht
    15. Jaco Taute, SP Marias

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.06.12 16:00:12 by The Quirk Reply
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  • I wish Superugby wasn’t the only way to get a Bok call up, so mauch talent goes to waste when they are not on good terms with a superugby coach for instance…i just want the best talents to get a solid chance to prove their worth.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.06.12 16:03:22 by JJR Reply
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  • Hope Heyneke uses end of year tours to give the talent a shot.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.06.12 16:10:02 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 3) : I’m sure he’ll do what is in the best interest of SA rugby, and I’ll keep believing that until he proves otherwise. We’re lucky to have such an abundance of young talent, so much so that WP is just giving it away…

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.06.12 16:12:17 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 1) : @JJR (Comment 2) :

    Your teams were worth looking at until I still saw Spies in the teams!!! Come-on guys sharpen up dammit!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.06.12 16:15:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) : :smile: ; let’s give him one more shot ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.06.12 16:19:17 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 6) :

    don’t start……he’s had 50 friggen chances already!! :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.06.12 16:20:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) :

    If he does another 50 playing like that, then I’ll have to consider a divorce from rugby!

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.06.12 16:22:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) : :smile: I think we still see what he can do for us…i think certain coaching styles has killed his game…they use him as a 7 rather than 8, if you know what i mean? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.06.12 16:23:40 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 9) : No, the problem is they use him as a 8 instead of as a wing!

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.06.12 16:36:27 by Ben Reply

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  • You are forgetting about Ruan – if he is available, he should be in the squad.

    Jaques Fourie will be back in time for 2015 – and I would love an experienced bloke in the centres, provided he is still on song. I reckon JF’s class should see him involved.

    I would also not play two untried tightheads. Jannie is probably still in the picture in my mind – experience counts for a lot when you play WC rugby.

    Saw a young buck with plenty of talent. There is a beast of a centre that plays for one of the english schools in Natal, methinks Kearsney College (always forget the details, haha). The games I saw he broke tackles at will, plus he kicks for his team. Final bonus – he’s a black oke, so good for HM when the politicos start baying again come WC time.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.06.12 16:37:02 by King Shark Reply
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  • 1.Beast
    2.Bismarck
    3.Jannie
    4.Willemse
    5.Etzebeth
    6.Coetzee/Kolisi
    7.Alberts/Burger
    8.Burger/Alberts
    9.Pienaar
    10.Lambie/Goosen
    11.Habana
    12.Steyn
    13.JDV
    14.JPP
    15.Coetzee/Lambie

    16.Straus
    17.Oosthuizen
    18.Du Toit
    19.Coetzee/Kolisi
    20.Hougaard
    21.J. Fourie
    22.Lambie/Coetzee/Goosen

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.06.12 16:38:06 by Talent Reply
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  • RE all the Spies talk – I would give him until the end of the year. He is looking a lot better than the past couple of seasons and I would also like to see if HM can get the best out of him. I am sure that if he doesn’t perform as expected, he will be excluded to make space for Vermeulen perhaps.

    Also don’t discount Kanko just yet. HM seems to like the player and he certainly made a far greater impact than Pottie over the weekend. If he regains form and if HM decides to reward it, then he would be a great player to have at the back of the pack.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.06.12 16:39:57 by King Shark Reply
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  • Oh, and another great talent that was forgotten – Jaco Taute.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.06.12 16:40:54 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 11) : Siyabonga Tom? Forget about it..

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.06.12 16:41:32 by Ben Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 8) : I’m with you on that.

    Let’s pray that by 2015 we’ve uncovered an eighth man and scrumhalf – else we’re in for a looooong world cup.

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.06.12 16:45:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @King Shark (Comment 11) : Its Sandile Kubeka.

    He is outstanding. Played KZN Schools last year and has been selected again this year. Has loads of talent.

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.06.12 16:57:03 by TheGoose Reply

     
  • @TheGoose (Comment 17) : My bad. Thought he was thinking of Siyabonga..

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.06.12 17:03:15 by Ben Reply

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  • @TheGoose (Comment 17) : Indeed he does…will be interesting to see how he adjusts when it comes to senior rugby in the future…i’m worried he might be one of those guys that peaks in High School…i hope that’s not the case though; he’s a natural player.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.06.12 17:04:39 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 3) : “Hope Heyneke uses end of year tours to give the talent a shot.”

    Within reason. The goal must still be to win every game. The All Blacks clock up grand slams with ease. South Africa last won a grand slam in 1961…

    When was the last time SA beat France in France?… 1997. Since then the French are on a run of 4 consecutive victories against the Boks at home. This shocking run must be halted.

    The Boks lost to Scotland the last time we were there :oops:

    As for Ireland, thankfully we beat them in Ireland the last time we were there (by a meagre 2 points)… before that, they had klapped us for 3 consecutive games… this a team that had previously only beaten the Boks once in history!

    So ja, blood youngsters within reason. We firstly want to win every game. We want to set some records straight. If the All Blacks can do it, so should we.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.06.12 20:00:10 by siorc Reply

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  • @siorc (Comment 20) : All Blacks do it often and still win, i don’t see why we can’t…i wonder the how many All Blacks there have been the last 10 years compared to Springboks…i would guess a lot more new All Blacks than new Boks…NZ make full use of any talent they get, South Africa wait till the last possible moment before giving a guy a chance (on most occasions) ; that must change. Give guys Debut matches against teams that we should not have any trouble beating, eg. Scotland, Argentina, Wales and Ireland ;-)

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.06.12 20:58:43 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 21) : problem is, we do sometimes have trouble beating those teams…. when we really shouldn’t. I abide by the mantra that whatever NZ do, we can or should be able to do too.

    NZ have never lost to Ireland and Scotland b.t.w., and have only lost to England 6 times. SA have lost 12 times to England, 5 times to Scotland (!) and 4 times to Ireland (and NZ have played more games against them…).

    We are our own worst enemies.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.06.12 23:48:37 by siorc Reply

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  • Someone who we are forgetting who I believe will have the goods in 2015 may be PS du Toit. He had a great U20 world cup and if he can keep up the work rate I think he will sneak ahead of Paul Willemse.

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.06.12 07:59:02 by Viking Reply
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  • I’m gonna get some hits for this, but I don’t think Habs is gonna last till 2015…he’s playing great rugby again, but its already ON and then a bit offish again. His body has taken a lot, I just don’t see him last almost 3 more years…

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.06.12 08:10:46 by Ice Reply
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  • Watching Re:Union last night I just realised again how far behind we are to the AB’s in teams of skill levels. I know we play a different style of rugby but the skills displayed by their loosies and 9-10-12 axis is outstanding. At some stage we will have to start changing the way we play else we will get left behind. You cannot win consistently by brute force alone.

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.06.12 08:35:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 25) : Not having Alberts and Steyn cost us a lot in the last test, cos they always gave us good go forward…Coetzee was the only guy going over the advantage line that day. I think we can do the brute force thing if we actually select a team that can do it; But the last test the team makeup was not 100% made for the brutal approach, IMO.

    That’s why i hope youngsters like Paul Willemse, Marcel Van Der Merwe, etc. get Bok call ups. Also it is key that Etzebeth gets some rest…the last 2 months he’s been going at 60%…those first 6 or so superugby games he was insane!! Stormers like always don’t know how to rotate their players.

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.06.12 10:08:50 by JJR Reply
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  • I’m thinking i should drop Spies out of that 32 man squad and give PSDT a shot…i agree now; Spies has had his chance not taken it…Goodbye. :smile:

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.06.12 10:11:02 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 25) : refer to my posts yesterday re marcell vs cane (and this was before the reunion program) :lol:

    belligerence sans intelligence or guile is not a gameplan, refer to crusaders vs sharks @ twickenham.

    if the opposition matches you in the collision, let alone best you like england did last week you are on a hiding to nothing! now i’m not suggesting that heyneke meyer may not not have something else up his sleeve but comments like “if Plan A does not work why switch to Plan B, instead execute Plan A until it works” are not encouraging!

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.06.12 10:16:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 28) :

    I never argued the fact that the AB’s have more skill than the Boks…that is a given but in terms of the Boks gameplan Macell fits in well.

    Let me put it this way. If you put SBW or Cruden ALONE in a Bok team they would look terrible because the Boks don’t know how to run the support lines required for the gameplan. Adopting and implementing a game plan like the AB’s will take quite a long time because that is just not the way the SA teams play.

    I hope what I’m trying to say makes sense.

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.06.12 10:25:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 29) : the problem is that we will forever be skill-less brutes until we bite the bullet and engender skills as part of our team’s make up. de villiers wanted to do and was beaten down to submission, meyer is NOT even considering it, in fact he is preaching vokmaarvoort!

    the new zealanders credit a guy called fred “the needle” allen for transforming all black rugby from what we are to what it is today. who will step up for our country and make the hard call?

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.06.12 10:48:30 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 30) : That flash Rugby doesn’t always work…if you get the brutal force approach right and have the right players to do so, it can be unstoppable if the gameplan is executed properly.

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.06.12 10:53:09 by JJR Reply
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  • Watch New Zealand when they face a forward pack that can physically smash them…they won’t be able to do anything.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.06.12 10:56:59 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 31) : you are misguided if you think new zealand only play what you refer to as “flash rugby” & FYI skills are not flash rugby.

    if you equip a player with an ability to think up & execute a move that is a skill. imagine how devastating the sharks would be if most of the forwards especially loosies had keegan daniel’s offload game. it is a skill he has mastered.

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.06.12 11:06:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 32) :

    But Brutes will never win consistantly because their bodies can’t handle it week in and week out.

    Our biggest brutes in Juan Smith and Schalk Burger are testament to that.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.06.12 11:16:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 33) : WOW – a none Shark fan who actually acknowledges Keegan’s skills :shock:

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.06.12 11:38:30 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 30) : If you know as much about your job as you do about rugby, you must surely be one of the captains of your industry… ;-)

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.06.12 11:38:46 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 32) : new zealand have been facing BOK forward packs for YEARS and what do we have to show? 3 tri-nations wins, PLEASE! :roll:

    they have maintained an 80% win-ratio playing what you erroneously refer to as “flash rugby”

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.06.12 11:39:31 by Megatron Reply

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  • Surely Habana would be about 45 by 2015 :?:

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.06.12 11:40:51 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • I tend to agree with Megatron here, the All Blacks were amazing in the second test vs. the Irish. When they have the ball they are the most dangerous team in the world because they have the forwards to compliment a potent and skilful backline, add to this their forwards being in sync and aware of other players around them. The only weakness of the all blacks is their set piece ,and when I say weakness I mean it is one area where we could trump them marginally on a good day.

    One thing the Springboks cannot afford to do is cough up possession when we play them. Urgency and form at the breakdown are crucial. Parity in territory and possession are crucial. The rolling maul is how we will hurt them.

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.06.12 11:45:50 by Talent Reply
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  • When they have the ball we need to be able to predict what they will do with it, meaning identifying players who can unlock defence and marking them and surrounding players ,being tenacious in defence ,scrambling well and sticking to structures. If I were Meyer I would be analysing any game they play to pieces.

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.06.12 11:50:03 by Talent Reply
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  • The thing with the All Blacks is you can’t afford to use generic defensive structures

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.06.12 11:51:18 by Talent Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) : i know very little about my job unfortunately :lol: :oops:

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.06.12 11:54:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 42) :

    I know something about your job!

    It allows time for blogging! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.06.12 11:57:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 40) : we did it quite well in PE last year albeit it was not their full strength team…their then assistant coach, wayne smith commented that it is unusual for a team to make close to 20 CLEAN linebreaks (meaning they cut us to ribbons)and end up losing a match…

    morne scored all our points with the boot that day.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.06.12 12:00:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 43) : like yours :cool:

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.06.12 12:02:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : Springbok packs with Matfield and Spies in them…they not gonna push anyone back.

    I mean if Heyneke could one day rotate Beast/Greyling/Kitshoff/Coenie and Bissie/Adriaan; M.van der merwe/Maks Van Dyk; Etzebeth/Willemse, Kruger/Bekker, Flouw/Heinrich, Alberts/Coetzee, Burger/Kolisi…i don’t see why we can’t be consistent dominant up front…Bok team hasn’t been properly physical as a unit since 2007…we have even more physically capable players now, it’s just up to the coach to keep them fresh and ready to go full out every game…i don’t see why rotation can’t be used at international level, just the same as at Superugby level.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.06.12 12:06:58 by JJR Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 40) : You mean we need 30 Boks on the field? ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.06.12 12:10:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) :

    NZ were dominated by France in the final last year in the forwards; but some poor decisions from Craig Joubert kept NZ alive the whole game and helped them grind out the Win. Boks can’t play the way NZ play, it’s not how we play…we gonna play a game that suits our talents and we saw glimpses of a balnced game plan in the first 2 tests aganist England, where you set the platform and create space for the outside backs to attack…if we can just select the right personnell and players that are not fatigued i believe Heyneke’s way is the best way…i know we going to do well. But with Steyn at 10 and without adequate backup for Jannie we could struggle to put it all together this year…that’s why i feel M. Van der Merwe needs to be exposed as soon as possible; and when Gooose is fit he needs to take the 10 jersey…because noth these players have balanced abilities that suits a balanced game plan, IMO.

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.06.12 12:13:59 by JJR Reply
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  • ^noth=both, typo.

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.06.12 12:16:02 by JJR Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 30) : That should be the job of Rassie as “Director of rugby”/”Technical Director” or whatever he is.

    And as the tjietas are probably the only team able to run with the ball (rubbish defense though), with his tjieta background he should have the technical vision to achieve this transformation.

    Whether he is doing it, time will tell. It will probably have to be implemented at a grass roots/schools level first and then we’ll hopefully pick the fruits in 4-7 years.

    It will have to be a long term goal. :???:

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.06.12 12:18:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 50) : Boks do have the game…look at 2nd half durban and 1st half Jo’burg…it doesn’t help having a flyhalf in the third test that ignores the overlap and kicks it straight down the field…and a number 7 that was as effective carrying it up as jano vermaak…we missed Alberts, needed a fit Gooosen at 10 and a bench that makes an impact not useless Kruger and Prop/Lock Flip van der merwe. :smile:

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.06.12 12:23:16 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 46) : “Bok team hasn’t been properly physical as a unit since 2007″ – what was our win ratio before ’07 and how many tri-nations had we won in that time? :roll:

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.06.12 12:24:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 52) : I didn’t say before 2007 did i? I’m only talking about 07′ because that was the only year in a long time were the physical game was actually executed properly…the rest of the time it came in 10 minute periods within a game.

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.06.12 12:31:41 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 53) : apologies, did we beat/dominate new zealand in ’07?

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.06.12 12:53:50 by Megatron Reply

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  • Good job including as many no-names from Natal as possible! :lol:

    Nearly half actually.

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.06.12 13:28:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 3) :

    Hope NOT!

    Becoming a Springbok should be a privilege for the best players… not a damn hand-out!!!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.06.12 13:32:54 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Arno Botha is easily one of the most talented loose-forwards in SA. Currently being held back by the Bulls… why I don’t know, but I’d bet a good sum on him being at the next WC, if he’s fit of course.

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.06.12 14:18:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : you reckon Arno is being held back, i know he injured a disc on his lower back before the start of the season and i’m not sure who you’d want him to replace as spies seems to be a permanent fixture in both the bull/boks teams

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.06.12 14:28:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 58) :

    Could easily slot in at openside or blindside.

    Looks like they think of him as purely a bench option for now.

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.06.12 14:36:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : maybe because he’s 20 years old and needs to wait his turn.

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.06.12 14:39:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :

    So if you’re good enough, you’re old enough you wait your turn.

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.06.12 14:42:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 58) : before stander & both potgieters?

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.06.12 14:43:54 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 61) : well, just because he’s good enough in your amateur and admittedly quite fickle opinion, doesn’t mean that his coach (a professional) necessarily feels the same way.

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.06.12 14:46:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    Rob, how dare you question hendrik’s right to an opinion.

    He did of course correctly predict that JP du Plessis will make the Stormers no 13 jersey his own!!

    Oh wait… :shock: :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.06.12 14:51:40 by wpw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 62) :

    Ahead of both Potgieters, yes.

    @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    1. You need to chill out.
    2. Yet they include him on the bench. Would you do that with someone you deem as not good enough?

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.06.12 14:52:29 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : :lol: put down the weapon and move away slowly…

  • Comment 66, posted at 28.06.12 14:52:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 66) : :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 28.06.12 14:55:29 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 64) : Dobson is a mug, he doesn’t know class staring him in the face.

  • Comment 68, posted at 28.06.12 14:55:54 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) :

    And yet he won the Vodacom Cup this season!! :twisted:

  • Comment 69, posted at 28.06.12 15:12:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 54) : Seriously u don’t get my point by now???…when the Boks have beat NZ in the past how was it done? By running around like headless chickens and flinging the ball all over the place or was it Heyneke Meyer style/Jake White Style rugby that we executed properly on the day?

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.06.12 15:16:14 by JJR Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 54) : Did i say we did? No, i said in 07′ we played the style that could dominate NZ up front. @hendrikp (Comment 56) : Obviously the players that deserve it should get the chance…their is no point in letting these young talents only come in due to injury in a knockout game at the world cup, for instance…they need to be exposed somewhere along the line.

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.06.12 15:19:19 by JJR Reply
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  • sorry for typo ^ Can’t bladdy edit…

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.06.12 15:20:47 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : geez… i dont know the politics but thats quite harsh.

  • Comment 73, posted at 28.06.12 15:21:16 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 69) : with brache playing before jp du plessis! the nerve! :shock:

  • Comment 74, posted at 28.06.12 15:22:24 by Megatron Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 70) : JJ, how stupid /kak are our Boks to have a negative ledger against a team like the all blacks that as you say “runs around like headless chickens flinging the ball all over the place”? :roll:

  • Comment 75, posted at 28.06.12 15:28:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 70) : before you tie yourself in knots some more about inane terms like “flash rygby” and “headlesss chickens” just realise this is what i and pokkel were talking about: “Watching Re:Union last night I just realised again how far behind we are to the AB’s in terms of skill levels. I know we play a different style of rugby but the skills displayed by their loosies and 9-10-12 axis is outstanding

    :lol:

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.06.12 16:01:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 73) : really? I didn’t think so…

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.06.12 16:08:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 65) : maybe he’s good enough to bench, not good enough to start yet?

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.06.12 16:09:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 76) :Barret ,Cruden and Carter are all class acts-one wonders how a player like Lambie or Goosen would grow exposed to such a high emphasis on skill.

    The thing is all our play-makers become more pragmatic and cautious and in some ways its good ,in others it could be a hindrance.

    The thing I’ve been most impressed with, by the abs, was how urgent and efficient they’ve been at the point of contact and at the breakdown.

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.06.12 17:25:45 by Talent Reply
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  • By the way what is the obsession with Jan Serfontein ,he`s not a 12s arse, maybe in Meyers eye but I see his future at 13 even wing. He played well for the baby boks but I’m concerned he doesn’t have the foresight to play in that channel.

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.06.12 17:31:51 by Talent Reply
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  • Interesting comments here – particularly Talent and Megatron.

    I agree that regardless of the fact that we play a lower risk, forward-focused gameplan, we are being held back by a severe lack of skills and creativity.

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.06.12 19:58:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Alright well… for a bit of fun.

    1 Steven Kitshoff
    2 Bismarck du Plessis
    3 Coenie Oosthuizen
    4 Eben Etzebeth
    5 Pieter Steph du Toit
    - Need to find a solid 4-jumper though. Whether that is Etzebeth adjusting, or PSdT showing me something I haven’t seen yet…
    6 Heinrich Brussow
    7 Schalk Burger
    8 Arno Botha
    9 Ruan Pienaar
    10 Johan Goosen
    11 JP Pietersen
    12 Francois Steyn
    13 Jaco Taute
    14 Jan Serfontein
    15 Timo Swiel

    16 Adriaan Strauss
    17 Frans Malherbe
    18 Andries Bekker
    19 Marcell Coetzee
    20 Francois Hougaard
    21 Patrick Lambie
    22 Francois Venter

    Others:

    Beast Mtawarira
    Chiliboy Ralepelle
    Juandre Kruger
    Siya Kolisi
    Piet van Zyl
    Morne Steyn
    JJ Engelbrecht
    Johann Sadie

    May have forgotten a few…

  • Comment 82, posted at 29.06.12 04:14:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 82) : Hennas, on second thoughts, I owe you an apology, meneer. I really should have found a nicer way to say what I said yesterday and I’m really not setting a very good example here.

    Sorry man, I’ll try harder.

  • Comment 83, posted at 29.06.12 08:56:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :

    Good, you’ve been a right ‘ol biaaaatttchhh lately!

    Consider yourself warned!

  • Comment 84, posted at 29.06.12 09:36:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 84) : Oooohhh, look at Mr. Platinum star playing mr. deputy :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 85, posted at 29.06.12 09:39:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 85) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 29.06.12 09:45:45 by Pokkel Reply
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