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Will Frans Steyn play in this years playoffs?


Written by Maria Delport (Letgo)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 11 Jul 2012 at 09:30
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We’ve been asking this question for quite some time now. Will the Sharks be able to play Frans Steyn in the playoffs? Well firstly let me just get the jinx out of the way and say that obviously this depends on whether they do enough against the Cheetahs to remain in 6th spot on the log, just above the chasing Reds and Hurricanes. This question does not assume that we will automatically make it into the playoffs. The boys still have to focus on one thing and one thing only, crushing the Cheetahs this Saturday at 5pm.

But let us, as fans, just set that aside for a second. We all know the quality of Frans Steyn. Some of us knew it earlier than others, but that doesn’t matter the rest of you caught on and now we all know, having this wonder kid, now wonder …, um man, in any team would add value that cannot be denied anymore. So will he be available to play the last three games of the season?

As Steyn was not part of the registered Sharks squad in early February he cannot represent the side after the pool stage and won’t feature in the play-offs. Or will he? As sport live reported in one of their articles last week before the Bulls game, it will take extreme circumstances, such as the Sharks proving they have no other centre options because of injury or suspension to make him eligible, but to prove that would require some inventiveness by the Sharks. We all thus agreed that Steyn’s primary role will be to help ensure that the Sharks reach the last six and then sit on the sidelines.

However, from John Plumtree’s reaction at an earlier press conference the idea of Steyn being involved in the playoffs does not seem as far fetched as we may have thought. “Marius Joubert is struggling with a chronic ankle injury. Paul Jordaan has got a hamstring injury. At the moment we’re pretty short in the midfield and we’ll go through that process (of applying for Frans Steyn’s availability) if we can’t get Paul Jordaan and Marius Joubert fit.

The Sharks might be stretching it. JP Pietersen was the first choice outside centre with Tim Whitehead and Meyer Bosman, both of whom are still available for selection. Paul Jordaan, in fact, is the only player who can be seen as a midfield injury for the Sharks, as Marius Joubert’s involvement was very limited and aside from the injured Jordaan, Whitehead, Bosman and JP Pietersen, seemed to be the preferred midfield options during the last few weeks. Whitehead and JP was used as a combination only 2 games back, against the Lions, when Jordaan was unavailable through Jnr World Cup selection. Then there’s also Pat Lambie, who has run out for the Sharks in the number 12 jersey on various occasions and could be seen as more than a capable cover if the situation requires it. The injuries to Jordaan and Joubert then hardly leaves the Sharks short on midfield options? Or does it?

I suppose the Sharks are well within their rights to select the players in the position that they feel will best suit the team and can presumably not be forced to select a player out of position. JP Pietersen has played wing for most of his career and represented both the Sharks and the Springboks for more than 50 games playing here. He was moved back to his favoured 14 jersey for the Boks and delivered some outstanding rugby, including a man of the match performance in the second game at Ellis Park during the inbound tour against England. If Joubert and Jordaan’s fitness do not improve , it then leaves Bosman and Whitehead as the only centres in the squad. This could already grant the Sharks the right to select another centre to cover the bench. Considering that Lambie has also been selected as a fullback recently and might continue to play in this position we may also need cover at flyhalf for Frederic Michalak who has started in this position for the last 5 games. Assuming Meyer Bosman will be given this responsibility he too will be unavailable for selection in the midfield, leaving only Tim Whitehead as a viable option to cover both positions.

It is not as if the Sharks are suddenly selecting players out of position to create a situation in which Steyn’s availability for selection to the Sharks will be made plausible. If Steyn cannot be selected, Jordaan and Joubert do not recover from their injuries and the Sharks chooses to select the same team they have for 5 weeks with Patrick Lambie at Fullback and Fred Michalak at Flyhalf, they will be forced to pick uncapped players to cover the bench or go without Flyhalf and Centre cover.  Surely the Sharks should be allowed to select one or even two midfield replacements and surely given the fact that no other player has been used throughout the season in this position, Frans Steyn’s continued selection in the midfield should be allowed come the playoff stages?

It remains to be seen, but for now, let’s just get by the Cheetahs first, because they will not just roll over.



99 Comments

  • Hi Letgo

    An interesting theory this, but according to what Gavin Rich wrote yesterday, the Sharks aren’t even going to attempt to have Steyn cleared because they know they won’t succeed.

    There is no way that they can reasonably argue that they do not have enough fit players who were registered before the 1 April deadline to fill any of the positions Steyn covers.

    Flyhalves: Lambie, Michalak, Bosman, Zeilinga, Prinsloo
    Centre: Bosman, Whitehead, Pietersen, Joubert, Williams, Mjekevu, Lindeque, Jordaan, Viljoen, Ndungane
    Fullback: Lambie, Viljoen, Ludik, Prinsloo, van Tonder

    It simply isn’t going to happen.

    The Stormers, who actually DO need to play Jebb Sinclair in the knockouts because they genuinely have nobody else, were not granted permission to use him. There is simply no way, cunning arguments or not, that the Sharks will be given permission to use Steyn.

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.07.12 09:38:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Sad but true. It is more than likely that we are without him.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.07.12 09:47:11 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 2) : the thing is, they’re going to look at the other players we have in our structures and ask why we’re not rather backing one of them. It’s a bloody good point.

    There’s no way we can argue that we need Steyn to play center when we have Heimar Williams, Piet Lindeque and Wandi Mjekevu in our structures.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.07.12 09:54:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Except for the fact they they’ve never played SR for the Sharks, now to expect them to not only play SR, but sommer play SR qtr. final overseas is a bit of a stretch.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.07.12 09:59:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • The rule should be amended to allow for those 4 weeks to be rolled over into the playoffs.

    In other words, in Fransie’s case, he would be ineligible to play in the play-offs and semi’s, but should be allowed to play in a final. That would be a fairer regime.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.07.12 10:02:32 by klempie Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 4) : I am not the one who made up the rules… I’m just telling you how they’re being implemented :)

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.07.12 10:03:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 5) : it’s not 4 weeks… it’s 4 games.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.07.12 10:03:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Whatever, same logic applies. Nitpicker. :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.07.12 10:06:49 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : The “It’s a bloody good point” part of your comment gave me the impression you didn’t think it to be such a bad idea.

    Let’s just hope Jordaan recovers in time, although I think he’ll also be a bit underdone to be rushed back into the side.

    So we’ll be banking on Bosman, unless we mess Lambie around a bit more and play him inside Timmy. Lambie is definitely a better option than Bosman, but I would hate to see him become our official utility back. :|

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.07.12 10:09:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Though those players have not played for us in S15. They not worried about that though.

    Do you think that we have actually SIGNED Steyn, that it MIGHT make a difference if we did apply for him to play in the play offs? Really just grabbing at straws here, but we never know.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.07.12 10:13:29 by Puma Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 8) : In any event, it SHOULD be 4 weeks, because teams who have byes in the last 4 weeks are then disadvantaged.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.07.12 10:14:00 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 8) : no dude, it’s not the same thing at all. If there’s a 4-game requirement, then how can a game in which the player does not play count?

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.07.12 10:14:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 9) : what I meant is that it’s a very defensible point… whether I agree with it or not.

    Just remind yourself, for a moment, who is making up these rules and why. Are they really interested in helping the Sharks to put their strongest team on the field, or would that not suit their agenda?

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.07.12 10:15:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 11) : you’ve fundamentally misunderstood this one, Klemps :) Stop digging now.

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.07.12 10:16:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 10) : see comment 13. I don’t think they’re going to want to help us

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.07.12 10:17:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Having Steyn able to play for us in the qf would be a rugby wet dream. But at least Plum realised it seems what we have known all along and that is that Marius Joubert is utterly rubbish.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.07.12 10:17:39 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Saw it Rob,

    Agree there not sure if they will ever want to clear Fransie to play for us, it would suit them rather than us for him not to play.

    Some of these laws should be changed for next year though. This tourney is too long and players are gonna be injured by this time.

    We do have enough signed for us from the due date, but none of them have really had S15 game time. Could be our fault I suppose. Then were those players ever up to S15 level in the first place? How many teams have like for like players if they pick up injury? Should be allowed to bring in players at this stage imho.

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.07.12 10:30:36 by Puma Reply

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  • Whatever the argument here, it actually seems that the Sharks will look into it come the playoff stages, we may be denied, but the Sharks seem to think that maybe it could be possible.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.07.12 10:33:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 17) : I think if we end up at play-off time in the situation where our fringe players aren’t match ready, that’s our fault, not theirs. It’s player management and we’ve been banging on about it all season.

    I honestly don’t think that the Frans Steyn would be such an issue this year if it weren’t for the way the Stormers blatantly cheated with Schalk Brits last year.

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.07.12 10:36:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 17) : See, I also don’t want teams to just buy a bunch of players for 3 weeks to come and win the playoffs for them. That would be unacceptable, but Fransie has been signed for 2 or 3 years or something. So maybe the rule should be, if you don’t have someone in your team to cover a position you can get a player like Jeb Sinclair just for a few weeks, but if you manage to sign a player that will play for you in the next Super Rugby, he should be allowed to play for you regardless of when you signed him and how many games he played for you.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.07.12 10:37:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : They’ll definitely not be willing to help us, and it will be declined.

    We should start using our superior t.v. viewership and crowd attendance stats to persuade these guys to see it our way. S.A. dominates/is responsible for the existence of/is the main contributor to SR.

    Surely we need to start playing that hand :!:

    That’s one thing I agree with Mega on, old Cheeky would not allow us (S.A) to suck on the hind tit all the time – sadly with him there is always the risk of ulterior motives.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.07.12 10:46:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : We’ll just have to use JP there or Bosman and Timmie, but I don’t feel it’s fair to tell a team they can’t use a player that has been signed in a legal contract.

    Like I said, don’t allow players that just has a 3 or 4 week contract to play in the play-offs, because that would mean that you’re just getting this player specifically to strengthen your team during this period. It would be like signing, Ruan Pienaar for scrummy, but just in a 4 weeks contract that would release him from Ulster for that time to play for us during the playoff stages (like what the stormers did with Britz). Because that would mean you could get any number of international European players to come and play for you for those weeks. They should actually just say, if you don’t sign the player for x-amount of time, then that player can’t take part in the playoffs.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.07.12 10:48:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : Agree on the whole post Rob.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.07.12 10:57:44 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : haha, it wasn’t cheating, we just used the loophole, some would call it innovative ;-)

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.07.12 11:02:47 by molly Reply
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  • That would be my argument anyway.

    Steyn may not have been a registered player in February, but the rule was created to avoid short term signings specifically drafted to strengthen a team during the knock out stages. There for if you sign a player specifically for the 2012 campaign he needs to be a registered player by February.

    So to disallow Steyn, when clearly we would have to dig into our surplus, playing players that has not been used all season, would not make sense for me, as he has been signed to the Sharks on a long term contract.

    I would plea that the rules for short term contracts and long term contracts should not be the same, indeed I would argue that since the rule does not clarify whether this applies to players with long term contracts or just short term contracts, that their rule therefore does not specifically effect Frans Steyn and the Sharks’ situation and if they would like to disallow players with long term contracts to play during these stages, that they would have to clarify that in their rules.

    Then I didn’t see the official document, which may in fact clarify this point.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.07.12 11:03:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 23) : Only we won’t be using fringe players, if forced, we will move a few players around.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.07.12 11:04:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) : that argument makes sense… length of contract

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.07.12 11:06:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Dude. You are being particularly testy this morning. :|

    What I was saying in 8 that the logic still applies, is that whether it’s games or weeks is irrelevant. The missed games/weeks in the run up should be carried over into the play-offs. In other words, if the player joins two games/weeks before the end of the regular season, then the next two play-off games/weeks should count as part of the qualification period allowing him to play in the final. Capiche?

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.07.12 11:12:52 by klempie Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : Agree with your post Letgo. It makes plenty sense.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.07.12 11:13:27 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Please explain it me. I’m obviously too dim.

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.07.12 11:13:31 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : It may work, you never know, if the Sharks legal department thought of this… otherwise I should apply for the job. ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.07.12 11:13:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • If you guys get permission to use Frans when we get denial on Jebb, I will be soopah unhappy. You’ve got what? One injury? To an outside centre? That wasn’t even first choice? Hells, you even moved your best wing out of his preferred position instead of starting with Jordaan.

    I don’t care about the contract length, if Plum and co couldn’t plan for this, then well, that’s not very bright.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.07.12 11:18:16 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 32) : It was planned, we didn’t use other centres, because that would have strengthened our argument for using Steyn.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.07.12 11:20:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 28) : But dude, then they may as well just make it 2 weeks and not 4? Same diffs…

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.07.12 11:21:35 by Viking Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 32) : or it could be seen as a loophole..its not cheating is innovative :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.07.12 11:23:16 by Ice Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 33) : I’m sorry, I don’t follow, you didn’t use other centres? Frans has only played one game, so you must have, surely?

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.07.12 11:27:23 by molly Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 34) : No man, you okes aren’t READING! As it currently stands, if you come in 2 weeks before the end of the regular season, you are not allowed to play ANY knockout games. I’m saying, a better scenario would be to allow play-off games to be qualification games where the player doesn’t feature.

    In other words, Fransie plays against the Bulls and Cheetahs, but MISSES the play-off against the Brumbies and the semi if the Sharks get there. If the Sharks get to the final, he is then eligible to play in the final by having made his four game qualification, two as a featuring player in the regular season, and two as sitting out in the knock-outs because he came into the regular season too late. Geez!

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.07.12 11:29:12 by klempie Reply

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  • Give MB a huge bonus for a sudden injury?! Come on he owes us more than he can repay after last year!

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.07.12 11:29:21 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • You guys are also forgetting signing Fred for special dispensation at scrumhalf last year, can’t remember what injuries you had, but he didn’t play at 9 once last year, I don’t think. But hey… he had a contract, so its all good :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.07.12 11:30:00 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 24) : tomayto, tomaahto :)

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.07.12 11:30:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lambie and Whitehead in the midfield? Does not sound bad to me! Leave Ludik at the back.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.07.12 11:31:00 by Bite me Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 32) : I agree with you… the fact that Jebb was denied makes it close to impossible that Frans can be approved, given that his case is weaker

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.07.12 11:32:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bite me (Comment 41) : The point is FS gets millions, he needs to play otherwise what`s the use?
    We`ll lose him for the bulk of the CC as well, and we never do well in Super rugby so what did we sign him for, to make life easier for Heyneke?

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.07.12 11:33:34 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 32) : Just give Sinclair a 3 year contract and then all are in the same boat.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.07.12 11:34:46 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • why should he play? the sharks have meyer bosman to cover 12!

    this is pathetic by the sharks, every year they want to include some centre player who will miraculously save their season…why eas oupa terblanche fined and punished by sanzar last year? :roll:

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.07.12 11:35:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : You don’t think we’re paying for last years rule-push?

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.07.12 11:35:23 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 46) : yep, this was put in place because the stormers wangled britz into the mix on some dubious “siya was mugged tip” :roll:

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.07.12 11:43:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 45) : So if 3 or 4 of our centres commit the same twitter offence that got Stefan fined maybe we`ll create enough of an opening . . . :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.07.12 11:46:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 47) : I know why the rule was put in place, but I really think we have a special case this year to include Jebb, and lets be honest he’s not the same high profile kind of player as Schalk Brits.

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.07.12 11:46:52 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 39) : oooh – good point :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.07.12 11:47:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 46) : I think you are, yes. And so are we :)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I’m waiting china…. :???:

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.07.12 11:50:32 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 52) : +1

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.07.12 11:55:53 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 53) : LOL. What are you waiting for?

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.07.12 11:57:33 by klempie Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 49) : no special cases, call hilton lobberts if you have to or fenton-wells…the sharks too must go get piet lindeque if they have to or play mjekevu…no short cuts here plus francois doesn’t even play 13!

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.07.12 12:03:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 54) : My beer, amongst other more cyberworld things.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.07.12 12:04:41 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) : Sure, but from Rob in particular? How have you cornered him?

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.07.12 12:06:00 by klempie Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 36) : We didn’t use other centres. JP’s not a centre, Bosman is a flyhalf and was signed as one. Jordaan isn’t even a centre. Technicality I know, but still.

    Lambie is also not a centre.

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.07.12 12:07:03 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 58) :

    The Stormers have lost Burger, Vermeulen, Carr and Koster.

    We even used Deon Fourie (hooker) at loose forward and still SANZAR denied our request for Jebb Sinclair to be allowed to play.

    The Sharks have lost who exactly?? :roll:

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.07.12 12:10:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 58) : Are you honestly wanting me to believe that you planned to go into a super rugby season without a centre because Frans was “close” to signing? And the coaches expected it to be a successful campaign with that attitude? hahahahahahahahahah…..

    hahaaaaaa

    haaaa

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.07.12 12:12:17 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 60) : oh, and the best part is that the ONE centre you do have is in fact an inside centre, where Frans is supposedly DESPERATELY needed.
    hahahaha
    hahaha
    best.argument.ever. :lol: (where is the crying with laughter emoticon?)

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.07.12 12:16:51 by molly Reply
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  • Meeeee–ow! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.07.12 12:21:30 by klempie Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 61) : Come now Molly, I would have hoped that yourself and Megatron would have learnt by now that it’s a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of a Sharks supporters heart… Jeez, how slow do you guys learn!!?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.07.12 12:24:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 63) : sorry, a little childish. I apologise. I think you guys are putting too much importance on Frans, you’ve managed ok without him, its just consistency that you need. Unless you face us, then you can be consistently kak ;-)

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.07.12 12:30:17 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 64) :

    He aint no Super Pat though!! :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.07.12 13:09:37 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 64) : It’s actually Jordaan’s injury that causes the most problems, we wouldn’t need Steyn if Jordaan was/is fit.

    And can you blame us for being super protective over our “newly” found talents at centre – I still cringe at the thought of last year’s centre combo. :|

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.07.12 13:13:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 65) : jy behoort PAK te kry met daai blerrie houtlepel! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.07.12 13:31:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 60) : @molly (Comment 61) : That was a good counter argument. :|

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.07.12 13:54:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 60) : @molly (Comment 61) : Is it far fetched to think that the Sharks acquired the very expensive services of Frans Steyn because we have been having midfield troubles and felt that we started the season of a little short in this area in the first place and did not use the young players mentioned here before because the coaches felt that it was not the right time in their development to throw them into a Super Rugby team, when none of them have played even so much as a Currie Cup game in this position?

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.07.12 13:59:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 69) : It’s not far fetched, but first of all, they made the purchase knowing full well of the rules and regulations that were put in place before the competition kicked off, so in buying him they knew he wouldn’t be able to feature in the playoffs, so its VERY short sighted to not give some youngsters a go, in fact its quite embarrassing that they haven’t been using the CC or Vodacom Cup to groom them, they’ve known their centre options, that’s why they bought Marius, Bosman, Whitehead…

    I can only think that they weren’t expecting to make the playoffs with an attitude like that?

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.07.12 14:13:22 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 59) : It seems a bit harsh for ZANZAR to to allow Jebb to play for you guys. I get your aggression, but you’re directing it in the wrong direction. I would gladly argue for the Stormers’ case to play Jeb too.

    given the fact that you do not have another player available in your squad that has played for the Stormers in in super rugby or Currie Cup, it does not make sense at allow to disallow the player not to be part of the playoffs. And it further makes absolutely no sense to allow the player to play for (how many games has he played for the stormers, I think since their second tour game, so that would be about 9 games) and not inform the team that this replacement will not be allowed during the knock-outs, even if none of their players return from injury. I think maybe if the Stormers knew Jebb won’t be available for selection for the last three games, they would have played someone else in the loose forwards more often… like they now have to do with Deon Fourie. It’s pretty ridiculous, the rule needs to be updated.

    In our case, it won’t be ridiculous, I’m just looking for a loophole, since having Steyn around for the knock outs will be a nice surprise. I’m also quite happy with a Timmy/Jordaan Bosman/Timmy midfield, but why wouldn’t we try all we can to have probably the most expensive player in our team on our team sheet?

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.07.12 14:16:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 70) : Hey Molly, no ones going to argue against you when you say the Sharks sucks for not giving some youngsters a chance earlier, we’ve been saying that since the first game Oupa and then Oupa 2 was put in the midfield, but hey if something good could come from that now, I will take it.

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.07.12 14:19:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 70) : I’m not sure, but I think all the players we have left to select in the midfield was still playing for the Sharks u/21, so its not like we just left them out in the cold, management maybe felt that needed another year at age group to develop before drafting them into the senior squad.

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.07.12 14:21:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 71) : They knew Jebb wasn’t eligible, but they thought Schalk/Duane/Koster would be back in time for the playoffs, so it was a stop gap, the fact that none of them will be is the problem (with Duane having a very outside chance). It’s a HUGE difference to you guys buying Frans too late to count, which as I said would easily have been foreseen by management.

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.07.12 14:25:33 by molly Reply
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  • You guys are not listening to Letgo’s argument about the length of the contracts that SHOULD determine wether or not a player is allowed to play in the play-offs. Its only a suggestion. One that makes sense.

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.07.12 14:26:24 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 75) : And I should add that if a union is in deep trouble in a certain position a few weeks before the play-offs an needs to sign somebody to ‘fill the gap’, and their injured players do not recover in time, they must be eligable to play the newly signed player. As is The Stormers case.

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.07.12 14:31:33 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 71) :

    Didn’t mean to be aggressive. I apologise!! ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.07.12 14:36:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 75) : why should length of contract be looked into? you sign a player WHETHER for 2 weeks or 5 year after APRIL 1st he is inelligible, period!

    don’t come with your sharks tendencies here!

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.07.12 14:49:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 78) : You remind me of those people who always give advice to parents when they themselves have no children.

    Your “child” is yet to be born, don’t be so quick to cast them moral high ground stones. ;-)

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.07.12 14:55:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 78) : Because clearly we’re not just getting the player to play in the play-offs then leave.

    You can get a much more high profile player, lets say Dan Carter for 4 weeks, than you would if you had to sign him for 2/3 years. Thus this player will be seen as a proper back-up and not just a player to give you an unfair advantage in the knock-outs…

    That’s why!

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.07.12 14:59:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 79) : rugby, unlike children, belongs to everyone thus your analogy or attempt at a wisecrack is stillborn :lol:

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.07.12 15:06:05 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 80) : you should’ve signed him in march! why should sanzar give a rat’s arse about the sharks’ intentions?

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.07.12 15:08:48 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 82) : No argument there.

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.07.12 15:11:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 78) : this IS Sharskworld. And the thing about Letgo’s argument does make sense…one is signed just to win the immediate, so in essense importing a star for a few weeks…the other is that the long term contracted player is NOT just there to win immediately, but is in there long term plans..

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.07.12 15:22:45 by Ice Reply
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  • No he won’t.

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.07.12 15:24:38 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 84) : So this is not ‘Marcell World’? :twisted:

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.07.12 15:26:46 by Ben Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 80) : sheesh! I’d LOVE that! :)

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.07.12 15:28:23 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 84) : it “makes sense” only to your mind…

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.07.12 15:32:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 86) : Wouldn’t Sharksworld, according to ^ some ^ imply “Marcell World” :lol:

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.07.12 15:32:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 86) : how about Dan’s World?? :grin:

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.07.12 15:35:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 88) : and that’s ALL that matters! :grin:

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.07.12 15:37:35 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 90) : I like this game!
    When Sharon logs in: 3D Pat’s World
    When Salmonoid logs in: Rob’s World
    When JJR logs in: Paul and Steph’s World
    When Megatron logs in: Not King’s World
    When Muzi logs in: ADHD Rugby Fan’s World

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.07.12 18:42:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) :
    :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.07.12 19:18:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 88) : As always your logic is backwards…..it only does not make sense in your mind. :mrgreen: One day, when you grow up, you will learn to understand the relative attraction of vinegar and honey….. :smile:

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.07.12 21:48:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) :
    When WPW logs in: Juan “Inside Step” de Jongh’s world

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.07.12 08:11:09 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) : :cool:

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.07.12 08:19:06 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • So its official. According to Beeld and News24, teh Sharks has officially applied to have Frans available. They are arguing that we have a injury crisis. But to be honest, it would be a miracle of note if we get him cleared and the Stormers would be super pissed!

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.07.12 08:30:47 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 97) : It would be horrible if we had to fall short on Saturday – it’d be so typically Sharks rugby :|

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.07.12 08:38:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 98) : It looks like we are peaking at the right time of the comp. Lets just hope we make it happen on Saturday or even better, the reds make it easy for us and loose :?:

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.07.12 08:50:10 by Viking Reply
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