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Let Lambie play, for goodness sake!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 27 Aug 2012 at 12:58
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No, don’t stop reading just yet. This is not another call for Heyneke Meyer to drop Morne Steyn and rather pick Pat Lambie at flyhalf for the Boks…. well, I guess actually it is exactly that, just in a more roundabout way!

Those of us watching the Lions beat Province this weekend will have sat up and taken notice – once again – of Elton Jantjies, who turned in a stellar performance to lead his somewhat out gunned (on paper) side to a narrow victory, in particular showing wonderful composure under pressure to kick the last-minute penalty that sealed the game. Jantjies had just been released from the Bok squad – where he’d still had absolutely zero game time – and had thus missed out on the first two rounds of Currie Cup action. Obviously itching to play, he turned in a stellar performance and a number of pundits are now calling for his inclusion at Steyn’s expense – and rightly so, I must add, based on form.

What a difference a single game can make, but the key point that’s being missed here, I feel, is that due to Meyer’s insistence on playing Morne Steyn for 80 minutes of every test on the one hand, while on the other hand trying his damnedest to keep Steyn’s direct competitors from playing Currie Cup (read Jantjies and, of course, Lambie), it’s becoming pretty damn difficult for anyone to put any pressure on the incumbent Bok flyhalf. You can’t impress the coach, in other words, if you’re not playing and while Jantjies has now shown the benefit that a good 80 minutes on the park can have, surely it’s time for Lambie to be afforded the same opportunity?

The Boks have an off week as the Rugby Championship takes an hiatus. While we know that Meyer will name his squad for the next leg on Tuesday, I sincerely hope that he allows certain fringe players – Lambie most importantly – the option of a getting Currie Cup game under their belt this weekend. Poor Patrick really is getting the smallest and most hindmost of suckling organs here, as both Steyn and now Jantjies are afforded the platform on which to showcase their wares, whilst Michaelhouse’s finest is left to accumulate a fine collection of unused Bok jerseys.



46 Comments

  • Agreed!

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.08.12 13:05:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • play lambie or leave him out of the squad, he is no use just sitting there match after match

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.08.12 13:11:34 by jovner Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I 2nd

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.08.12 13:30:10 by Poisy Reply
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  • If Lambie gets 20 minutes at FH for ONE GAME he will be able to show he can outplay Morne in almost every facet of the game. HM is afraid of that

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.08.12 13:31:16 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • we’re in for a world of pain boys and girls…Heyneke is a stubborn son of a bitch. he WILL NOT change his ways.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.08.12 13:31:58 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Agree….

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.08.12 13:32:21 by Franshark Reply
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  • Another golden talent just wasting away.

    As Mallet said, you can’t have your scrummie dictating the game, and with Morné there you can’t have him do it either.

    That’s why we got away with average FH’s whilst Joost and Fourie du Preez were Boks, they had the ability to run the show.

    So you either play Pienaar at 9 and have him run the game (and avoid giving any of the backline ball to Morne), or you leave Houghaard there and get a decision making FH that can control the game.

    Damnit Meyer, it’s not that difficult to figure out!

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.08.12 13:32:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Well as I said to a friend, what is the point of picking Lambie and JJ Englebrecht if he isnt going to use them. International rugby requires a 22man effort so if Hyeneke is not realistically going to use those 2 backs then why put them on the bench for cosmetic reasons? Rather pick a 6 forwards and 1 back bench combo. If you are going to pick a guy then USE HIM!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.08.12 13:33:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • the only good thing about lambie on the bench is that he can fully recover from his injuries, and time to rest the body he still has a long career ahead of him, but for the sake of the bokke I hope he gets game time against the aussies at flyhalf

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.08.12 13:49:58 by MJ Reply

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  • HM has bigger issues to solve and I don’t believe swapping out MS for PL will be the solution. He has no quick fix at present. The fowards are not firing (fatigue? from S15 +travel). More Specifically he has a problem at hooker, no4 lock and fetcher.
    (1) The freestate flyhalf – Correction Hooker – is not physical enough in the tight and is being shown up. This is putting pressure on the rest of the tight 5 and were losing a loose foward every ruck to help clean out because of it. Bekker was a disgrace this weekend. He wasn’t even a threat in the lineouts where he is touted as ‘God’ in some circles. I cant recall us winning a turnover ball since Bismark got injured….

    Our fowards are going backwards… Changing Flyhalves at the moment would be a career killer for lambie imho.

    Play Tian Liebenburg or even Burden – at least we will have a hooker who is closer to the ball. Drop Bekker and pray that Brussow is better soon….

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.08.12 14:01:25 by byron Reply

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  • I think all the guys on the bench should be given this week to sharpen their game in the Currie Cup.

    Cilliers, Liebenberg, van der merwe, Daniel (maybe not Daniel because he started the one game), Lambie, JJ and then off course Burden, Vermaak, Kruger and Greyling.

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.08.12 14:50:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • @ Bryton (comment 10) well said, what did poor ole Jaundre Kruger do to get dropped to the side. I thought he and Etzebeth combined well. And we are in an unfortunate position whereby Strauss is different to Bissie. But the so called “physical” player of Potgieter should be shelved. I didn’t see him get any gain on ball he carried he was either knocked badly backwards or straight down to the ground. Offloads have also been shelved as well as straight running and dummy runners against the run of play. We are giving opposition the practice they need for their defence.

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.08.12 14:50:11 by Dunx Reply

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  • I ignored FH & SH on purpose since HM won’t be changing that this year unless forced to by injury. Poor Daniel will be dropped for Vermeluen soon because HM prefers the blue team to any other.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.08.12 14:51:30 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 12) : None of the loosies was good though.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.08.12 14:52:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) : I don’t think they coming back, arent they going straight to Aus?

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.08.12 15:40:30 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 15) :

    Nee Frans. Kegaan just commented on facebook that it’s good to be back in Durban.

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.08.12 15:43:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 15) : self answer: no they are back, your info suck :)

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.08.12 15:45:59 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 15) : Nope – they are in SA

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.08.12 15:50:40 by Ice Reply
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  • ‘Dear Pat,

    I write to you with some regret, Patrick. As coach of the team that was formerly a force in world rugby, I have the unpleasant job of informing my players who I pick on any given Saturday.

    The Springbuck (as Hugh Bladen calls it) stops with me you see.
    I need to make a call this Saturday, as I know you were fairly pissed off (those were John Plumtree’s words) about not getting any game time against Argentina in Cape Town. It all comes down to experience Pat.

    You see you only have 13 Test caps and are 21 years old. Yes, I know you have 35 Super Rugby caps and have scored 344 Super Rugby points but that doesn’t count you see. Your 22 Currie Cup caps are also fairly irrelevant too as who takes that thing seriously anymore besides Kevin De Klerk?

    I know you are more experienced than players like Aaron Cruden, Aaron Smith and Sonny Bill Williams but that’s not how it works here in South Africa.

    How many Bulls caps do you have Pat?

    ’5 more up and unders and we’re done here people’

    I would prefer to leave you on the bench Pat. Yes, for the whole game. You look like you could do with another 80 minutes of ‘chill time’ as you youngsters call it. What on earth you did for 80 minutes on the bench at Newlands, Naas Botha alone knows!

    While you’re on the bench his time Pat, take the time to read my game plan because after watching you in Super Rugby it is clear to me that you just don’t get it.

    You persist on attacking the gain line Pat. Now anyone who knows anything about rugby knows that the best form of attack is defence! So kick the ball to the opposition and do some defending man. It’s pretty simple. Zane can explain.

    Another thing you need to grasp, is this whole ‘tackling at the ankles’ thing. I know you do it but you really need to stop. Who is going to kick the next up and under if you’re getting involved in the dirty work? Beast Mtawarira?

    So now you know what you need to work on, sit back and relax for another 80 minutes and watch Morne’s masterclass. See you on the flipside (isn’t that a cool thing to say to young okes?).

    Cheers,
    Heyneke Meyer (Unbeaten Bok Rugby Coach)’.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.08.12 16:09:50 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) :

    Did you post a team?

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.08.12 16:11:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : :mrgreen: lmfao

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.08.12 16:17:56 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : do a letter for morne

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.08.12 16:21:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 22) : hahaha i saw this elsewhere and when i saw this article knew it was a perfect match :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.08.12 16:25:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : Very nice Megatron! Now can you please post something to make me stop laughing before my boss fires me

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.08.12 16:52:26 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 24) : That is easy – just watch the highlights package for Saturday night’s game

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.08.12 17:07:39 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Can anyone honestly say that Lambie, or Engelbrecht, would have done any worse than Kirchner or Steyn at Mendoza?

    I can perhaps understand Meyer wanting to keep an experienced goal kicker on the field in a tight contest (ironic though that this experienced goal kicker missed a match winning penalty), however what reason he had to keep Kirchner there, when Lambie is also solid under the high ball, I don’t know…

    The sad thing is that the next time Lambie plays, it may be a performance lacking as he has not played much rugby and may be slightly off his best.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.08.12 17:20:09 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : Not bad :lol: Lambie has every right to be “pissed off”… and the knock to his confidence must be huge as a slap in the face is less direct than leaving a player benchwarming for a full 80 twice in a row… :roll:

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.08.12 17:23:09 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • Wonder how many players in the history of the game have been allowed to find their feet as many times as Steyn has, its unfair .Wonder what Ruan Pienaar thinks ?
    The thing with Steyn is he will NEVER find his feet .

    I can understand a coach sticking with his player ala Smit/Du Plesis/Pdivy BUT THIS TIME ITS WRONG , because he adds nothing …nooooothing…nooooooothing

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.08.12 17:58:51 by Talent Reply
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  • Didn’t Brad Thorn turn down the allblack jersey because he wasn’t ready? Please may Morne Steyn have a similar conscience attack ,Meyer will never drop him.@West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 5) : stubborn son of a bitch

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.08.12 18:02:10 by Talent Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 26) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 26) :

    What he should have done in the 2nd half was to shift F Steyn to 15 and let Lambie and M Steyn alternate at 10 and 12. Kicking and tactically they would have lost nothing but they would have gained Lambie’s ball carrying prowess on attack.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.08.12 19:28:36 by fyndraai Reply

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  • Another thing to consider is how rusty Lambie looked the last time we saw him against the Chiefs way back when.

    He needs game time!

    By the time he gets on the park he`ll be completely out of touch with the pace of the game, mess up in some way and then we`ll have bulls pointing out that he isn`t as good as Morne . . . :roll:

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.08.12 19:48:24 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Actually i got no doubt lambie will not be used by Hm for 1 minute unless it’s an absolute emergency!

    I would rather he is left to regain his form and macth fitness in the CC

    Hm would rather lose that drop a player he favours

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.08.12 20:54:37 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • I agree with all that’s been said about giving Lambie game time somewhere. One issue if he came back to the Sharks, is with Ludik playing superbly at 15, Viljoen playing better and better at 10 and Bosman and Viljoen kicking well for posts, where would you play him?

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.08.12 09:48:09 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 33) : Lambie is our first choice flyhalf. If Riaan has to bench for a week, then so be it.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.08.12 09:58:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ive been quite intrigued with Viljoen at fly half. I wouldn’t want to play against him. Big strong fast good step and kicks it miles. Sounds like a handful.

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.08.12 10:11:04 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 35) : I think he’s a better flyhalf than a fullback… ironically. He makes mistakes, but at flyhalf, I think mistakes tend to be less costly than they do at fullback. Does that make sense?

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.08.12 10:14:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • Absolutely. Maybe having less time to think also suits him. I sometimes think he looks nervous at fullback.

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.08.12 10:21:26 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • One can almost forgive Meyer for not giving Lambie any time at flyhalf. From his perspective:
    1. his first choice flyhalf – Steyn – had a confidence issue around his kicking and he is trying to give him as much time before the big games to regain the confidence.
    2. Lambie hasn’t been played at 10 by his own franchise for the whole Super Rugby season , which is not a vote of confidence.

    While Freddie’s presence at the Sharks may have been a great learning experience for Lambie, it has damaged his short term prospects at 10 for the Boks. Plumtree again damaging a talented back line player’s prospects by failing to decide on a definite position for him? I agree let Lambie play 10 at Currie Cup and establish his credentials for higher honours.

    Also please don’t interpret his comment as supporting Steyn for Bok, it’s not. But at the moment I don’t think Meyer has too many options and think his first priority should be to rethinking his game plan. Other Bok coaches came in “talking” a more creative game plan and were “forced” into a more conservative one. I am hoping with Meyer it is the exact opposite.

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.08.12 10:22:12 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 38) : I agree with you and it’s very much in line with the thinking in this article. Lambie can’t challenge for Bok 10 unless he’s given the opportunity to play at 10 for the Sharks… either in Currie Cup or Super Rugby.

    Let’s not be too harsh on Plum, though… remember that he lost Lambie twice due to injury and the second time he came back, Fred was established and playing good rugby at 10.

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.08.12 10:33:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :
    True Rob, the Plumtree comment was probably a bit harsh considering the way the Super Rugby season unfolded for Plum.

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.08.12 10:36:21 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 40) : Bear in mind Plum is playing for his job in every single game… he daren’t disrupt a winning combination.

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.08.12 10:41:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Freddie played played some sublime rugby this year… I would have picked him.

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.08.12 10:51:38 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • Three changes for me to the 26-man squad.

    Jacques Potgieter needs to go. As does Flip van der Merwe. Both embarrassing selections that Heyneke needs to be truthful with himself about.

    Lwazi Mvovo also, AGAIN, showed that he is not a test-match winger. Sure, he didn’t get much ball, but outside of that his kick-chase game was shocking and offered very very little.

    In:

    CJ Stander & Duane Vermeulen. Vermeulen, if he performs well for WP on the weekend, might be a good option as a starter with Daniel coming off the bench. Stander is an excellent loose-forward, probably the best in Pretoria at the moment (though Heyneke treats him like the worst :shock: ). Definitely offers options to solve our shocking loose-forward display against Argie.

    Gio Aplon also offers a heck of a lot more as an outside-back then Mvovo, so would call on him.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.08.12 13:27:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I cannot understand why Meyer, seeing that Morné Steyn and Zane Kirchner were both (again) below standard on Saturday, did not play Lambie. In Lambie he has a player who could have covered either of those two positions. I get the impression, like many of you, that Meyer has made up his mind not to play Lambie at all ! :sad: Has Meyer ever watched the 2010 Currie Cup final in which Lambie thrashed Western Province (at flyhalf) and scored 25 out of 30 points for the Sharks ? Has Meyer ever seen Lambie create play ? If he insists on benching and ignoring Lambie, he will never see Lambie’s brilliance at flyhalf … and alas, we might never see it again either … as he is getting NO practice in the position at all and is not getting a chance to practice or to prove that he is a great flyhalf. I would not be at all surprised if Lambie decides to play abroad next year, because it seems that his future in Bok rugby has been crushed by Meyer. It is a disgrace !!

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.08.12 14:43:41 by swan Reply

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  • @swan (Comment 44) : have you ever seen lambie execute the plays meyer has penned down for bok training drills? :roll:

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.08.12 15:23:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • The MTN Golden Lions lost their fourth player in a week when it was confirmed that SA under-20 lock Ruan Botha has signed for Western Province.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.08.12 15:36:16 by Megatron Reply

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