Richard Ferguson

Daniel the difference


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Sep 2012 at 08:30
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John Plumtree was a happy man on Saturday night, after his team came back from a fifteen point deficit to win a cracking match in front of a poor crowd at Mr Price Kings Park. Plumtree lauded the efforts of his key leadership group in the squad for pulling a win out of the bag.

Plumtree also had plenty to say about Keegan Daniel, requesting a special mention from the journalists in the post-match conference, who had a great game considering the week he has had, being dropped from the Springbok team. Daniel was back in a team environment that allowed him to play his own game, and he had a huge impact on the game.

Asked about his half-time talk with the players, Plumtree said that no harsh words were spoken, that the players were asked to go out and keep ball in hand and keep doing what they were doing in the first half, especially since the lead was as a result of two very soft tries.

Tactically though, the Sharks changed their attacking plan from going out wide, where the Cheetahs stopped them in the first half, to gaining ground through the middle of the park, which was quite evident after the Sharks scored four of their tries by working the ball through the forwards first, before going out wide closer to the try-line.

Plumtree admitted that Riaan Viljoen did not have his best game, but the ability of Meyer Bosman to shift to flyhalf after Viljoen left the field was a significant factor in the Sharks finally getting it right.

The Sharks now have to go up against Griquas in Kimberley, with Plumtree saying that it is always difficult to play there, especially with the altitude getting to the players as the match goes on. The team should be very similar to the one that beat the Cheetahs, with the only injury concern at the time being Steven Sykes who hurt his ribs.



41 Comments

  • I always rated Meyer Bosman as a flyhalf over being inside centre.

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.09.12 08:38:58 by Uli Reply
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  • Keegan was quite unlucky to be dropped from the boks. It is astounding how some players are afforded game after to game and some others aren’t given more than a handful of tests. HM is speeding his way towards Pdivvie status with his frequent personal contradictions.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.09.12 08:40:33 by King Shark Reply
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  • Keegs is a great player. HM just need to allow him to play his own game at the Boks. Either way, Im glad hes back at the tank. When does Kanko come back from Japan?

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.09.12 08:51:41 by Quintin Reply

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  • @King Shark (Comment 2) : there’s a “pdivvie status”?

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.09.12 08:53:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 3) : No one’s allowed to play their own game at the Boks :shock:

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.09.12 09:04:05 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 5) : I don’t think that’s quite what Quintin meant… more that the Bok gameplan doesn’t appear to be flexible enough to best showcase Keegan’s skills.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.09.12 09:14:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 3) : keegan is the adam thomson, pre-2012 liam messam of the Boks, fantastic for their franchise but not up to international standard YET.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.09.12 09:15:58 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 7) : Unfortunately Keegan doesn’t fit in with the c current Bok game plan which requires large lumps as loose forwards who only know how to drive forward with blinkers on not knowing that another 12 players exist on their team.

    Unfortunately, it would have been interesting to see if Pierre Spies would have been persevered with if he had not injured himself opening a bottle of USN. I think he would have been the number 8 right through the year even though he is about as effective as a can of Axe in a sewage farm.

    Hopefully, Duane can make a difference but I’m afraid that he is also going to be forced to play a specific game plan without thinking outside of the box (or in this case, pick and drive).

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.09.12 09:35:26 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 4) : Yeah, it’s called k*kpraat.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.09.12 09:47:35 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 8) : “Unfortunately Keegan doesn’t fit in with the c current Bok game plan which requires large lumps as loose forwards”

    yes keegan is ineffective in a game plan based on attrition, where value is placed on dominating the collisions and setting up multiple phases. That iis why at the beginning of the Super rugby season most here were critical of Keegan as the Sharks also employed this style of play but as soon as they switched to breaching the advantage line through forward runners shifting the point of attack using linking passes he flourished.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.09.12 09:48:09 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 8) : Hahaha! A can of Axe!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.09.12 09:48:55 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 8) : the issue here might be meyer’s idea of rugby is it is a simple game where execution of basics is “safer” and of more importance than off-loads that (in his view) are riskier and demand more of a polished skill set from the players to execute…

    case in point, none of the Sharks bruisers off-loaded AT ALL at the beginning of the season, not jannie, not marcell, not chadwick, plumtree had to change his mindset too!

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.09.12 09:57:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 12) : It’s a case of higher risk and more reward and it’s difficult to justify that risk at times. I understand that.

    The difference that I see is that when Deysel came back and Plumtree was still in the same sort of mindset at the beginning of the season, he didn’t drop Keegan and make loose-trio combination of Coetzee-Deysel-Alberts. He still kept Keegan in both as captain and a player who has different skill-sets to the bruisers next to him.

    I suppose you could say that I’m frustrated with the single game plan of kick the ball as far and as hard as possible and trust the other team to make a mistake. That might work in CC and Super Rugby but as soon as you get to international rugby the opposition teams are more competent and savvy and able to deal with that tactic. The fact also remains that as soon as England and Argentina were able to work us out and blunt our forwards we didn’t even look like we were capable of winning in either of those matches.

    On Saturday, Australia are going to come out and do their best to blunt our grunt and then work the ball out to their more creative backs to carve our pedestrian backline to pieces. The following week, New Zealand will be even more capable of doing that and then we’ll really be buggered.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.09.12 10:08:02 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 10) : The nail’s head – you hit it.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.09.12 10:13:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • We did see the pros and cons of both approaches in the Sharks game on Saturday = Cheetahs scored 2 tries from Shark mistakes. However the Sharks managed to scoring the winning try after 3 Cheetah up and unders.

    I hope the Sharks continue with the all out attacking intent, and just work on ironing out the errors. For the Boks I would at least hope for a more balanced approach – we must have the most predictable attack of all top 10 international sides.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.09.12 10:26:23 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : @Butchie34 (Comment 13) : i don’t know whether to laugh or cry :lol: :sad:

    Meyer: “It’s not about the game plan, it’s about reading the situation. Obviously if the defence is up tight, you have to play wider and if the defence is wide, you have to take it up the middle. That’s not the game plan, that’s reading the situation. You need to teach the players how to read these situations. That’s why I always say Australia and New Zealand are a long way ahead of us because they teach these things from day one. They can create space.

    “People always ask if there is a plan B. It is not about a plan B,C, D or E, most teams use the same game plan, they just read the situations better. The difference is that New Zealand have a Sonny Bill who breaks the line, and players who do little offloads among the forwards. But that takes time, we’re still trying to get the lineouts right.”

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.09.12 11:23:24 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 16) : RIGHT GAME PLAN
    “The same game plan scored three tries against Argentina and should have scored probably another three in Cape Town. It was the same game plan. In Mendoza, the players felt the pressure of playing away, suddenly they were behind and didn’t get quick ball up front. In those situations the only question is — can you handle the pressure?
    “It’s always the team that handles the pressure the best. We’re not good at the moment at reading the situation. We aren’t good at finishing our chances at the moment and our defence will be tested this coming week.”
    With this in mind, the Bok coach said there was nothing wrong with the current Bok game plan and it would return results if the Boks could implement it properly.
    “I believe we have the right game plan, that’s the game plan that won World Cups and Super Rugby. That’s the game plan that New Zealand won the World Cup with as well. Some teams are more forward orientated, and some — like Australia — are more backs orientated. A team like New Zealand have both forwards and backs that they can mix it up.
    “Obviously we change from week to week and you target your attack accordingly, but these are small tweaks. You attack the weak shoulders, and attack the weak defenders. If they have a weak point out wide, or under the high ball, you attack that. That is where we need to improve in reading these situations.
    “Argentina kicked 10-15 times more than us, but everybody praised them. I know there are a lot of perceptions out there, but I know we’re on the right track. I’ve been criticised like this before at Currie Cup and Super Rugby level and we’ve won titles. This is not the Bulls game plan, we’re on the right track.”

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.09.12 11:37:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 16) : he’s got a proper case of “not invented here” syndrome doesn’t he?

    Maybe he should ask the Sharks boys to coach the others…

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.09.12 11:38:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am happy he is able to play for the sharks still instead of been forced to carry tackle bags the entire tour. At least Lambie is healing up nicely.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.09.12 12:11:36 by Dunx Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : deja vu…when dick muir and pdv wanted the boks to play the situation they were rubbished, now meyer in 2012 is saying that’s the difference between us and aussies :roll: :shock:

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.09.12 12:24:30 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 20) : I think we’ll find the real difference between us and the Aussies when we play them this weekend.

    The Aussies are currently to be in the worst form of their lives, yet our coach reckons we’re behind them :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.09.12 12:34:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 20) : Yip, I remember that very clearly and also remember being very excited about the prospect of seeing a little more innovation from the Boks. PdV got a lot of flack for his new approach from the media and then we gave Australia a hiding of note (Jongi Nokwe scored 3 or 4 tries in that game). PdV explained in the post-match interview that that was the style of play he envisioned for the Boks going forward. The concept stopped being discussed somewhere in 2009 though.

    More of the same from HM? Time will tell I guess.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.09.12 13:18:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 22) : That game where Jongi scored his tries came after we lost all our other games except for THAT game in NZ where we finally won. We sucked that year because of his helter skelter crappy game plan (or lack thereof). We even got nilled on home soil. By the final game the players revolted for the first time and kept it tight and only spread the ball once we have earned it, resulting in a 53-8 drubbing of the Aussies. That Pdivvie claimed the victory was laughable, as he had no bearing on the outcome that day.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.09.12 13:35:12 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 23) : Don’t mean to be rude but is there a point you’re trying to make or is this simply Divvie bashing?

    We’re comparing the similarities between the start of Meyer and Divvie’s tenures here and I’m struggling to see what it is you’re trying to get at.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.09.12 13:40:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 24) : I was pretty sure that I was adding to the point you started making. :cool:

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.09.12 14:25:39 by King Shark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 24) : I think the players played what was in front of them, not only on the field. They clearly played what was in front of them in terms of the coaching staff too. ;-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.09.12 14:27:30 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 25) : Then you’re missing my point.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.09.12 14:32:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 24) : you know most people glibly talk about a “hleter skelter” game plan and it is conviniently attributed to “pdv”….yet they forget that the same NZ that “nilled us” was (AND STILL IS) playing this “helter skelter” game plan and the difference THEN and and now is that their players have ALWAYS been coached to read situations better and back their skills!

    everyday we marvel at dagg, carter, jane – multi-skilled players – yet we field kirchner, msteyn, habana (players of limited skills sets) against them…

    meyer is lying if he says he is teaching the current team to play the situation to match the all blacks…morne’s de facto decisions are poor even if carter kicks more than him! it’s not about the number of kicks it WHY did the player kick…

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.09.12 14:32:59 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 28) : Agreed.

    Question: Do you think Meyer has what it takes to affect the necessary change at the Boks? Personally, I’m still torn on this point and I’m therefore adopting a wait and see attitude for the time being :grin:

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.09.12 14:38:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : wait & see…his media statements are becoming a minefield to put together (relate) though :razz:

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.09.12 15:04:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 28) : I don’t agree 100% wrt the helter skelter approach. NZ do not throw the ball arround aimlessly. They know what lines to run, they know whether there is a player on their shoulder for the offload. They have always had an organised approach, albeit not rigidly structured. When we tried to emulate, we thought we will achieve it by spreading the ball aimlessly from side to side.

    @vanmartin (Comment 27) : Quite possible. In retrospect comment 22 was rather blunt and as such it is easy to miss its point. Either way, my comment then, unlike now, was meant in good spirit.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.09.12 15:44:05 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 31) : No worries :cool:

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.09.12 15:53:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 31) : @King Shark (Comment 31) : ” NZ do not throw the ball arround aimlessly.”

    :D funny thing is that is what everyone said they were doing in 2009, when we won the tri-nations with a skop ‘n jag gameplan.

    currently, bok players kick or crashball MOST situations, it might not be “helter skelter” but it is equally clueless as the 2 draws show or at worst the Mendoza game showed.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.09.12 16:21:35 by Megatron Reply

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  • Heyneke:

    “As for Keegan, I know I said Australia would fit his gameplan more, but I feel we don’t have a classical No8 at the moment, and Pierre Spies and Ryan Kankowski are both out. Against Argentina, although we competed well at the front of the lineout, we gave them easy ball at the back. I wasn’t happy with the way we competed there. Duanne is a specialist 8 and has combined well with Andries and Eben for the Stormers. I had to question if the fifth guy on the bench should be another number 8 or a specialist opensider. I want the option if the ref allows a bit more at the breakdown to have such a guy on the bench, so it is unfortunate for Keegan.”

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.09.12 16:51:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • I there I’m quite new too this blogging but not to rugby I’ve never missed a springbok game!!!! I was lucky to meet with ian mackintosh quite recently and discuss a few things and please believe me when I say even the higher ups are not happy at the moment but I’d like to give my view on this whole issue of what style of rugby we are playing!!! Now let me say atleast 6 of our 1st choice players are out and a futher 5 are out or unavailable and to say that doesn’t affect us will be a lie in my view its not just the kick and chase 10 man rugby that’s the problem its the fact we don’t have all the playesrs to apply that teqnuiche now peole are saying its bland rugby truth be told jake white had similar type rugby and so did ptv point is hyneke doesn’t have those matfields dupreez and fouries to implement it!!,, now even with our players aka burger bismark and jp available we still need to ajust our play to suit our players !!! Put 30 men from 5 diff provinces togetha u shud amalgimate there strenghs and work it in to the game can’t paly what workd for bulls in 2007 with a new group of guys in 2012 if you want to play like that make sure u have the players for that! Thanx guys

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.09.12 00:03:06 by balllllars Reply

     
  • Sorry for the horrible spelling typing on a terrible pc!!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.09.12 00:05:38 by balllllars Reply

     
  • Sharks almost gave me a heart attack on Saturday, just so gratefull they managed to pull this one out of the fire.

    Their one man starting from a standing position attack just never worked.
    Hope we`ve got a better plan for this saturday, I`m worried about KY already!

    When will Whitehead be ready?
    Shouldn`t we consider moving Viljoen to the bench, Bosman at 10 and the brilliant Whitehead/Jordaan combination?

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.09.12 07:59:20 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @balllllars (Comment 35) :

    Welcome to the site!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.09.12 08:09:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 34) : He could have just said “As for Keegan, I lied, you know Im from Nelspruit and so is Duanne and also another thing, Duanne said in the Broederbond koerant that Rassie is like a father to him and you should know how important family is to me”

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.09.12 10:43:59 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 39) : hey no politics!

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.09.12 11:37:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • :twisted: Politics?..this is about brotherly love.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.09.12 11:45:04 by Salmonoid Reply

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