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Sharks player ratings v Cheetahs


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 3 Sep 2012 at 08:49
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In a pretty frustrating game for the most part, the Sharks beat the Cheetahs pretty much everywhere except for the scoreboard – right up until the dying moments, when they finally managed to get their noses ahead. Let’s rate on the players on a reasonably good effort over all.

1) Dale Chadwick. Did all you can ask of a prop and more, with his primary job, scrumming, particularly well looked after. Had Marcel van der Merwe properly beaten after a quarter of the game and also tackled strongly and carried the ball well. A great follow on performance from his heroics at Loftus. 8/10
2) Monde Hadebe. Far less flashy than he was on debut, but performed so much better in the set piece that I almost prefer this version of Monde. Line out work was flawless and the Sharks dominated the scrums against a highly-rated Cheetahs pack. A few good carries too. 7/10
3) Wiehahn Herbst. Stood like a rock in the scrum this week and worked incredibly hard at the breakdown and on defence. Also put in a few nice carries and more passes than you’d expect from a 3. A very good game. 7/10
4) Steven Sykes. A quiet game from Steven, who needs to find some consistent form after a strong showing the week before. 5/10
5) Anton Bresler. Asked to do far less than usual on defence, but played a stronger linking and carrying role this week. 6/10
6) Jacques Botes. A bit of a curate’s egg this week. Jacques did a huge amount of work on defence, as well as hitting a massive number of breakdowns. However, a few errors at key stages, none more so than dropping the ball for the Cheetahs to score their first try, count against him. 6/10
7) Jean Deysel. Didn’t tackle as well as he usually does, but the captain stood out in a lot of other areas, with plenty of ball carries and a fair few offloads too, which we’ve not seen before. Above all, inspired the team to a great victory that seemed impossible with only 20 minutes to go, for which he deserves much praise. 8/10
8) Keegan Daniel. The Sharks’ deadliest weapon on attack and probably the best forward in the country when it comes to breaking the line. Won some beautiful ball out of the air and also at the lineout, tackled well and played a vital linking role. Welcome back, Keegan. You’re appreciated here, mate! 9/10

9) Charl McLeod. A good game from the scrumhalf, whose service was crisp and sure all evening. Perhaps attempted to break just slightly too often and was also guilty of losing the ball rather too easily in the run-up to the second Cheetahs try – otherwise, very well done. 7/10
10) Riaan Viljoen. A mixed bag. Kicking out of hand wasn’t quite as good as we’ve come to expect and he was well looked-after by the Cheetahs defence. Tackled well, though and worked very hard in carrying the ball up. Also scored the opening try, so not a bad return all round. 6/10
11) Sbura Sithole. Was involved often right from the start and gave a good account of himself. Everyone will point out the one moment where Rhule beat him for pace, but I feel it would be unfair to single out the lone bad point in an otherwise good performance. 6/10
12) Meyer Bosman. Welcome back Meyer. Was flawless at centre and even better at flyhalf, once the ball got into his hands more regularly. A key player for the Sharks this Currie Cup, with a flawless goal-kicking boot too. 9/10
13) Paul Jordaan. Such amazing skills and such a wonderful turn of pace – Jordaan sparks magic every time he touches the ball and the Sharks simply have to find a way to get it to him more often. 7/10
14) Odwa Ndungane. Has a knack for turning up in the right place at the right time and with two tries in addition to some fine all-round play, you really can’t ask for more of the old man. 8/10
15) Louis Ludik. Did his basics admirably, but wasn’t the threat on attack that we’ve come to expect this week. 6/10

16) Pieter Dixon. Unused
17) Julian Redelinghuys. Unused
18) Jandre Marais. A great physical cameo from Marais, as we’ve come to expect. Gets involved in everything and loves the rough stuff. 7/10
19) Franna Kleinhans. Not long enough to be rated.
20) Cobus Reinach. Not long enough to be rated.
21) Marius Joubert. A very useful 25 minutes in which he added solidity and did what he needed to do. 6/10
22) Rosco Speckman. Unused



35 Comments

  • Keegan! Keegan! Keegan! Although I love to see him playing for the Boks, I love it more seeing him putting in performances like this for the Sharks. Please let the money of the Northen Hemisphere never lure him away!

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.09.12 09:08:12 by KingRiaan Reply
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  • Plum has said that he sees Lambie as a 10 and we’ve got Frans Steyn at 12. If Riaan Viljoen and particularly Meyer Bosman continue to perform then it could be interesting for the selectors come Superrugby 2013. Also great to see that we have so much depth in the front and back rows. Coetzee, Alberts and Kanko would make a very useful loose trio on their own.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.09.12 09:16:48 by MikeSebMatt Reply
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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 2) : Lambie seriously needs some game time. The Boks should let him go so he can play a few CC games. They are not using him anyway. I feel for Lambs, he is not being treated well this year. HM doesnt even want to give him a chance at FH. What a shame. More tallent being wasted.

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.09.12 09:26:21 by Quintin Reply
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  • How was that committed go for the High-ball by Keegan?? he looked like a man possessed and not gonna let that ball go…and whilst doing so giving me a heart attack as I thought he might injure himslf! I love it when he is on fire!

    Bossie did so well! I am glad he is getting it right.

    I agree with most – would have deducted one more point from Botesie – he did not lose that ball only once.

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.09.12 09:27:25 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 4) : he was at 5, then I watched the highlights and saw how many crucial tackles and supporting carries he made.

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.09.12 09:31:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Sharks still committing a lot of errors – especially conceding turnovers at crucial times – 2 leading to Cheetahs tries.

    However the team need to continue playing this way and slowly cut down on the errors and turnovers.

    Good to see everyone trying to keep the ball alive and offloading – especially nice to see Deysel offloading so many times

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.09.12 09:39:56 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 4) : Keegan injure himself? Not Spider Shark Keegan….the field is more likely to sustain an injury from Keegan landing on it.

    (Cue the Chuck Norris, Schalk Burger and now Keegan “Spider Shark” Daniel jokes) :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.09.12 09:45:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Both Deysel and Daniel made a few too many errors IMO to be rated as highly. I think both of them was influential, unfortunately not only positively, as in the first half we lost possession because of their decision making as leaders and players – Keegan isolated himself a few times, made a few shocking passes from the back of the scrum and gave a way a few penalties (he looked over eager at times and only turned his eagerness into positive play in the second half) – Deysel hung onto the ball too long a couple of times and cost us one try because of this. His work rate was high, but sometimes he needs to know when to let go of the ball.

    Botes made the one error – He didn’t have the best of games as far as handling the ball was concerned, where he’s usually pretty good in this area, he dropped the ball quite a lot on Saturday – but it wasn’t a great pass from Viljoen either, was it?

    6 is a fair score for him, but I feel Deysel and Keegan should at least have one point deducted from their scores.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.09.12 11:44:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 8) : There was very little wrong with the pass… if anything, the decision to pass was the problem, but I watched it again this morning. Boots simply took his eyes off the ball and dropped it.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.09.12 11:58:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : He definitely should have caught that ball and did take his eyes of it, but the pass was made behind him (Charls to Viljoen was also bad, above his head, which already put pressure on Viljoen to make his pass quickly).

    A pass should never be above a player’s head, and since most players (excluding some flyhalfs) move forward when taking the ball, passing behind a player is maybe the worse thing you can do.

    Again, if Botes kept his eyes on the ball he would have held on to it, but the pass was still bad… imo.

    Anyway, like you said, the one error should not detract from the rest of the work Botes did.

    I also feel Deysel and Keegan made more errors than he did, even though theirs may not have been that obvious.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.09.12 12:06:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 10) : well, these are always subjective. We’ll look at the match stats tomorrow and see whether I got them right.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.09.12 12:09:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Great stats but we should be marked down a bit because we had technically lost up to just before the end

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.09.12 12:15:31 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Dunx (Comment 12) : actually, no… that’s why there are 80 minutes in a game. It doesn’t matter when you score your points, so long as you score them within those 80 minutes.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.09.12 12:17:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • Weird game this. Sharks had no right winning it but should have actually won it by 14-20.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.09.12 12:55:22 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 14) : why do you say we had no right winning it? We bossed territory and possession pretty much throughout and played virtually all the rugby

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.09.12 12:58:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Guys who was captain on saturday..I know the team sheet says deysel but daniel was asking all the questions and at the end took the decisions..

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.09.12 13:01:29 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 16) : I expect Keegan will lead the team in Kimberley.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.09.12 13:03:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • This was a funny game because it is normally the sharks who take the lead only to kill it at the end..so it was good to see the ball in someone elses court for a change

    I liked the ref on saturday.did what he needed to..I think I saw one mistake from him but pretty much a 8|10 for me..

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.09.12 13:04:02 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : do you think it will have an effect on deysel tho?

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.09.12 13:05:00 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 19) : Wollie is a team man… I doubt he’ll have an issue

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.09.12 13:14:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 18) : the only problem I had with him (and the rest of the refs for that matter) is that they call PAUSE after they have paused for 2 seconds already.

    I thhink it shoud be crouch!….Touch, Pause…Engaged. Not Crouch….Touch………………..pause, engage!

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.09.12 13:31:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 21) : agree 10000%

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.09.12 13:32:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : The reasons you give are why we should have won by 20. Im having a go at the Cheetahs for fluffing the win when they had such a huge lead while not playing well.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.09.12 13:33:23 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • please tell me everyone (excluding HM of course) has finally realized that BULK only gets you so far…

    - Who wants to argue against the fact that the Keegan, Coetzee, Kanko loose trio was our best this year!!! (with the Botes, Coetzee and Daniel not far behind)

    - again…anyone to argue that Whitehead/Jordaan was our best centre combo???

    IF we can find a class #9 we will have one of (if not the most) the most dangerous backlines in Super Rugby!!

    9. …
    10. LAMBIE – he is a #10 and the best in South AFrica
    11. Mvovo
    12. Whitehead
    13. Jordaan
    14. JP
    15. Ludik (with Steyn possibly challenging him)

    20. …
    21. Bosman
    22. Steyn

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.09.12 13:48:34 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • This weekend is going to be a tough game – Sharks always struggle in Kimberley

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.09.12 13:51:09 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • Viking and I just discovered an interesting stat that you guys might find interesting too.

    Meyer after 5 tests has 2 draws.

    That is the same as the combined total of his 7 predecessors (De Villiers (0), White (1), Streauli (0), Viljoen (1), Mallet (0), Markgraaf (0), and Christie (0).

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.09.12 14:23:07 by King Shark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : I get why you gave them a high ranking though, because I don’t think we would have been able to make the turnaround without them and maybe Bosman. So based on that I’m still happy with the scores you gave them … even if the stats shows they made a couple of errors.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.09.12 14:23:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 24) : Gimme Ruan please!

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.09.12 14:28:34 by King Shark Reply
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  • I think the Sharks were VERY lucky here…

    There was a debatable forward pass from Bosman and a clear forward pass from Keegan (that was not even referred even though the ref was on the deadball line)…

    The latter, which should not have been awarded, turned the game for the Sharks…

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.09.12 17:17:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : :twisted: Yes, Doing the basics right should give us the edge. By this I mean tackles, scrums, line outs and playing for each other – putting team mates in scoring situations by passing the ball to create space and opportunity. – (team tactics)

    After reviewing the game I got the following: We had the ball around 193 times. McLeod passed (68x) 23 in 1st and 45 in 2nd half.
    We tried driving the ball up without passing (77x) 38x in 1st and 36x in 2nd (12 of these turned into blunders) and kicked (12x) 5 & 7 balls.
    But we also passed/offloaded the ball 28x and 59x (87x) to score 4 tries. Sad part is that Jordaan received only 3 balls!!!

    We missed out on 4 tries and gave away 3 soft tries and made 20 silly mistakes such as kicking too short from restart, dropping a pass, crossing, head butting the ball at kick off, driving into our own at scrum, passing to opposition & knocking on. -If you look at the 1st vs 2nd half stats we see why we trailed and how we won.
    The ref had his share of bad calls as well getting at least 9 serious plays wrong and 2 right. :twisted:

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.09.12 20:23:04 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 29) : Bosman’s pass wasn’t forward. Odwa recieved the ball maybe a half a meter in front of where Bosman passed it. It was a long pass and there was a very strong wind at the stadium – I think the ball would have gone at least 2 meters backward on a wind still night.

    Keegan’s pass was definitely forward and I don’t know why the referee didn’t refer it?

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.09.12 07:35:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 30) : I like your stats. Did you do these yourself?

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.09.12 07:36:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • The Cheetahs were not committing many players to rucks, allowing more forwards to spread into the line making single handed battering ineffective. In that situation the Sharks must maul the ball up forcing more opposition forwards to defend and therefore more potential holes in backline. Simple rugby really.

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.09.12 07:57:24 by Ernie Reply

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  • @King Shark (Comment 28) : Amen my friend

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.09.12 13:22:56 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 32) : Thanks. Yes, I looked our approach during the second half and decided to count some movements. The Griquas had majour success over the Lions by playing good old schoolboy rugby and I see according to our second half stats that this is the way to play – That is what NZ does!

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.09.12 19:34:05 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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