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Bok player ratings v Australia


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 10 Sep 2012 at 09:00
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Saturday’s display in Perth was, to my mind, nothing short of a mess. The Boks conspired to lose against possibly the worst team the Aussies have fielded in a decade, yet insist that their outdated and outwitted game plan is a “work in progress” and they’re “on the right track”.

1. Beast Mtawarira. Battled up front and picked up a yellow card to boot. Not a great day at the office for Tendai. 3/10
2. Adriaan Strauss. Does his basics; offers nothing else. It’s a big step up to Test level and it is at this particular coalface where we find that Strauss is a very poor substitute for Bismarck indeed. 4/10
3. Jannie du Plessis. Came under pressure in the scrums, but did his bit on defence. 5/10
4. Eben Etzebeth. Likes to think he’s a hard man with his posturing and silly antics, but when it matters in the heat of battle, he’s pretty quiet. Plenty carries, but very few metres gained. 4/10
5. Juandre Kruger. The best Bok tight forward on the park, which unfortunately isn’t really setting the bar very high. 6/10
6. Marcell Coetzee. Tackled himself to a standstill and carried reasonably well. Not bad for a blindside flank being asked to play out of position. 6/10
7. Willem Alberts. You need to use this guy sparingly for maximum impact. When you give him the ball from a standing start on every move, the opposition quickly figures it out and simply gang tackles him. A horrible game from the big man, who just looked slow and confused. 4/10
8. Duane Vermeulen. Here’s a surprise – I don’t think this guy is match fit! You can accuse Keegan Daniel of a whole bunch of sins against Argentina, but regularly dropping the ball isn’t one of them. Vermeulen was, I’m afraid to say, awful on debut. 3/10

9. Ruan Pienaar. Added none of the desired spark at 9 and ended up looking just as slow and clumsy at the base as Hougaard had the week before. 4/10
10. Morne Steyn. Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick. Is it the player’s fault or the coach’s fault? I’ve given up caring. 3/10
11. Francois Hougaard. Had few opportunities to do anything, but at least appeared to be trying to play a bit of rugby with ball in hand. 6/10
12. Frans Steyn. Bash, bash, bash, bash, kick. His two long-range penalties were beauts, but other than that, offered nothing on attack whatsoever. 5/10
13. Jean de Villiers. Was he even on the field? If so, what the hell was he doing there? 3/10
14. Bryan Habana. Showed some good smarts to figure out that the Boks’ sole “attacking move” of the game was going nowhere and acted quickly to right the ship – and score the only try. Had very little else to do. Probably chased a kick or two. 6/10
15. Zane Kirchner. You know what they say – hate the game, don’t hate the player. Kirchner executed the coach’s rubbish game plan to perfection and for that the player deserves just a bit of credit. 6/10

16. Tiaan Liebenberg. Not on for long enough to be rated. A mercy, actually, if his first line out throw was anything to go by.
17. Pat Cilliers. Made little difference when he came on and gave away a few penalties too. 4/10
18. Flip van der Merwe. Another test cap, another anonymous showing. All just par for the course for the big Bull. 4/10
19. Francois Louw. Battled with the pace of the game and added little impact. 4/10
20. Johan Goosen. Not on long enough to be rated but looked very good when he (shock) RAN THE BALL.
21. Pat Lambie. As above. Asked to perform miracles in fewer than 10 minutes and very nearly managed.
22. Lwazi Mvovo. Let’s just say that if he was hoping to show the coach that he shouldn’t have been dropped, then he probably failed in that objective. Not Lwazi’s best showing in green and gold. 3/10



25 Comments

  • Fair ratings….I would like to add one.

    Heyeneke Meyer 2/10 because at least he entertains with his screaming into the ‘walkie-talkie’

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.09.12 09:08:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I would like to know who is on the other side – I guess the water boys to carry messages to the team?

    The man should realize it is not NFL – once the team is on the field, you cannot micromanage them

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.09.12 09:12:25 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • I thought Ruan looked good when he played on instinct, but once everything was slowed down and we started playing the look-who-I’m-going-to-pass-to game plan, things started to go down hill.

    I don’t think his, or for that matter most of the players can be rated badly on execution, the game plan really sucks.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.09.12 09:27:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • Frans Steyn is being used as a 4th loosie, exactly like the other 3. He and Marcell made the most meters, so he actually did quite good.

    We don’t know if he can offer anything creative, because his coach doesn’t want him to be creative.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.09.12 09:28:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • You know what, I think the less I say the better. So i’m done.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.09.12 09:29:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : I am not sure if the “Walkie-Talkie” was turned on? Whatever he tried to get across did not help.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.09.12 09:32:35 by Viking Reply
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  • Fair enough ratings.
    According to weekend newspapers, 10 minutes was enough to proclaim Johan Goosen the “future of SA rugby”

    I know I said I would stop, but I just can’t watch this continued mockery of a team I grew up loving ruining years of happy childhood memories! I have given up almost all hope for the future of SA rugby. I see Euros in the future of our actual real rugby players, Lambie, Elton, Keegan etc.

    And all thanks to one man, who continues to defy any form of logic by still placing all the blame on the players instead of looking in the mirror and realizing he is a failure, coattailing on past achievements, and dragging his sorry-ass provincialist mentality along for the ride!

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.09.12 09:34:06 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • I am really getting gatvol about the talk of game-plan, selections at 10, experience and “mental toughness”. All I can say is that it is time for the bok setup to pull up their socks!

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.09.12 09:35:23 by Viking Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 3) : Ruan looked good when playing his natural game, then he had to quickly remember not to do that or he’d be dropped, ala Keegan, so he slowed it down, gave the opposition enough time to line up to gang-tackle (and who knows what else :shock: ) poor Willem, and played the game-plan to perfection.

    Frans Steyn looks impotent on attack, a poor shadow of the creative wunderkind we all know. Jean De Villiers has been MIA since the second England Test.

    Lambie and Goosen to start at 15 and 10, or 10 and 15.

    Boks vs NZ:

    1. Beast
    2. Liebenberg (Simply because Strauss has not performed)
    3. Pat Cilliers (Penalty Du Plessis has cost us too often)
    4. Etzebeth / Bakkies
    5. Juandre
    6. Flo
    7. Alberts
    8. Coetzee
    9. Pienaar
    10. Goosen/Lambie
    11. Hougaard
    12. Steyn
    13. JDV (is De Jongh ready?)
    14. Habana (missing JPP so much :cry: )
    15. Lambie/Goosen

    16. Burden (give the man a chance)
    17. Jannie
    18. Bekker
    19. Duane Vermeulen
    20. Jano Vermaak (leave Hougie on the wing)
    21. Juan De Jongh
    22. Mvovo (build up some confidence

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.09.12 11:17:01 by StevieS Reply
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  • Frans Steyn’s decision making have been horrid at 12 this year. I STILL believe he has the biggest impact from fullback. He’s not creative enough as a 12.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.09.12 11:51:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • One positive to take from this game is that Hougaard looks a good deal better on wing and should get another start there.

    I suspect Jean de Villier’s confidence took a knock either in the third test or during the Super Rugby semi-final or perhaps during both. He’s a better player than this. Doubt he’ll be dropped or even subbed though as we woefully short on experienced leaders at the moment.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.09.12 12:28:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) : Frans is fantastic at 12 as evidenced by the last 2 World Cups.

    The problem at present is that JDV isn’t a creative 13 and our gameplan doesn’t encourage the players to have a crack. Put Paul Jordaan alongside Frans Steyn for the Sharks and play attacking rugby and they’ll do well.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.09.12 12:48:12 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : Hougaard is a wing who can play scrummy and not the other way around. Wish we’d start with him and Mvovo and maybe JPP at 15 with Lambie at 10. That way the backline would get opportunities to attack.

    SICK OF KICK, KICK, KICK!!! :twisted: Run the ball guys!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.09.12 12:49:44 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) : Put Jacque Fourie outside Frans Steyn and the Bok team will be a ferarri instead of an ox-wagon.

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.09.12 12:50:54 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 14) :

    I think the inside is more the problem than the outside.

    Frans will look better outside Lambie or Goosen but I still like Frans at 15.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.09.12 12:53:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 13) : Pains me to say this (and this isn’t only based on Saturday’s performance) but Habana still deserves to be selected ahead of Mvovo. His x-factor doesn’t make up for his sub-par work-rate and defense just yet (at international level that is).

    In my humble opinion, JPP (if he wasn’t injured) and Hougaard should be starting for the Boks.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.09.12 13:13:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) : Morne Steyn takes the ball deep and (when he doesn’t kick that 1 time out of 10) he gives the ball to Frans way behind the gainline which means the defence has time to set and he’s gang-tackled.

    Frans is good at 15 but he must run the ball if he’s there, not just kick it away. I’d like JPP at 15.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.09.12 13:32:40 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 16) : I’d like a back three of Mvovo, Hougaard and JPP.

    Mvovo needs guidance but his raw talent is better than Habana’s and worth investing in.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.09.12 13:33:35 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Funny thought the first half was a big improvement on mendoza :lol: :lol:

    Couldn’t agree more on you summation of Etzebeth, looking like a night club/youth party drunk brawler rather than a hard man .Looks like hes acting a part.Bakkies was and still is the best ever enforcer and in my opinion should be reinstated ,he could play into his late 30s, otherwise get the Bres.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.09.12 18:13:58 by Talent Reply
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  • & Pienaar was an improvement on Hougaard.

    When Burger returns make him captain and play him at 8 or 7 at the expense of Spies, Vermulen or Alberts.

    Drop Morne Steyn .

    Our captain is in horrible form ,not a 13 and not our best 12…what to do?

    Players I think could add some potency to our back line; Mapoe, Rhule, Coetzee ,Le Roux

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.09.12 18:28:12 by Talent Reply
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  • I believe its handy to have a wing who isn’t an outright finisher but a player who can link up well with his fullback ,kick his way out of trouble like a fullback ,link with his outside backs and bring play inside away from the touch-line & full in anywhere in the backline. Prime candidate Willie Le Roux ,defense worries me though.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.09.12 18:35:24 by Talent Reply
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  • Apparently Heyneke’s walkie talkie regularly attends AA meetings to dry out

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.09.12 18:57:49 by stertjie Reply

     
  • @Talent (Comment 20) :

    Really? Rhule? Mapoe? I would like to see Ludik at full-back since he is the most consistent full-back in South Africa and he plays sublime rugby in Durbs.

    Rhule and Mapoe don’t have what it takes (yet). Bring in Aplon on the wing together with Hougaard/Habana, Ludik full-back and a combo of F. Steyn-R. Ebersohn in the center pairing with Lambie at fly-half

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.09.12 19:21:09 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • @TRF_Ezequiel (Comment 23) : I forgot to mention “not yet ready for internationals ,regarding Rhule” .Mapoe is playing some dam good rugga for the leos .

    Interesting call on Ludik, I really rate the guy but im not sure he has the tactical kicking game or silky running to be an incumbent in the long term.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.09.12 20:00:54 by Talent Reply
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  • @stertjie (Comment 22) : Well done. This comment deserves way more love! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.09.12 22:26:16 by vanmartin Reply
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