Pablo Dinero

Sixteen observations on the Boks and Sharks this past weekend


Written by Pablo Dinero (Pablo Dinero)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Reader Submissions, Sharks, Springboks on 10 Sep 2012 at 12:52
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Having watched both teams I support submit to narrowish but equally dumb losses this last weekend, I found myself pondering some points. I have set them down below for your scorn or enjoyment… one for each position on the field and of course one for the coach.

  1. There is a gaping chasm between the quality of Jannie, Beast and the rest of the available SA props.  Considering how average both starting Bok props have been of late, this is cause for serious concern. Pat is an honest hardworking prop, effective in the tight-loose, but his scrumming is up there with Al Baxter’s, and let’s not even get started with the Bulls duo.
  2. Have the Boks ever missed a player more than they are missing Bismark right now? Even the most die-hard fans up in Hades, sorry I mean the Free State must be admitting that now. That’s not to say Strauss is bad. I’m a fan. He fills me with confidence sitting on the bench watching the boys in green run onto the pitch, but Bissie is in a different class and single handedly provides the loose forward trio with balance regardless of who is picked.
  3. Sharks props are an interesting breed. Chadwick, like his team’s colours, is all black and white, hero or villain, nothing in between, whereas at the moment, Herbst is all grey. As for Redlinghuys, he wins this weeks Lwazi Mvovo award for the worst performance by a substitute player… oh wait, we haven’t got to Lwazi Mvovo yet.
  4. Juandre Kruger, giant of Loftus, got towed 10 meters in conceding a try to a Wallaby prop?? He would have been more effective falling down in front of Alexander, at least he may have tripped him up. He was admirably assisted in the weakest gang tackle in history by Lwazi Movo, but hang on we are still getting there.
  5. What was going through Etzebeth’s mind, pulling that lame pseudo-headbutt on Nathan Sharpe. With the SANZAR sighting commission the way it is, he will get 4 weeks despite not making contact. He would have done more damage to Sharpe’s psyche had he just leant forward and kissed him on the lips, and he would have gone home with Nigel Owens telephone number. (Etzebeth got a two week ban – Ed)
  6. Marcell Coetzee is the real deal. He made more tackles than any other player in a green jersey, popped up all over the field, and that is exactly why he will find himself on the bench next week as HM goes for a specialist fetcher in Flouw.
  7. Willem has lost his mojo. He has started falling off tackles again, hasn’t made the hard yards with the ball in hand and is showing why Plum put his faith in Kanko, Coetzee and Daniel in the super 15. To be honest, I feel the same way about Deysel, although the latter has been more effective in the lower tier rugby competition. They need to step up and prove they are not one trick ponies.
  8. I like Duane Vermeulen. There, I said it. For those complaining he isn’t match fit, name me one other player you would have picked ahead of him for this game? The sad thing is, SA finally gets a break in Spies getting injured, and none of the players in waiting have grabbed their chance. Kanko, why did you go??!! Having said that, maybe it’s a good thing HM doesn’t get his claws into him while he is in good form.
  9. SA are missing Fourie du Preez. When SA don’t have a general at 9, things go badly as most SA 10s of the last 2 decades have made Forrest Gump look like a tactical genius. For the Sharks, its also time to give Reinach an extended run. Its not that McLeod has been bad, its just that we know what we have with him, and its rarely above average.
  10. Maybe its because of what is waiting in the wings, maybe its because Im sick of feeling like I need to wash my eyes out with bleach after every Bok game, but I haven’t felt this strongly about euthanizing a rugby player since Jaco van der Westhuizen claimed THAT attempted drop goal during the 49-0 hammering against the Aussies or since Louis Koen pulled on a green and gold jersey. Morne, if your pimp wont pull you off the streets, do the honourable thing and fall on your sword, please, we beg you.
  11. Hougaard is a wing. Now try passing him the ball instead of getting him to chase up and unders all game. He may be a wing, but he’s also a hobbit. I don’t see him out competing any ABs for the ball in the air. Regarding JP Pietersen, see comments about Bissie. We miss you, enough said.
  12. Get well Tim Whitehead. The Sharks backline hasn’t looked the same without you. Again, the supporting cast is solid, but dare I say uninventive, unimaginative and predictable. But enough about Riaan Viljoen…
  13. Still think the Boks aren’t missing Jaque Fourie? When your backline is being run by a one-dimensional cart horse who has lost his one dimension, it doesn’t help having 2 inside centres on the park.
  14. Lwazi, Lwazi, Lwazi… given an opportunity to regain your starting place you firmly cemented your position in Currie Cup rugby. For those lamenting the fact that the Sharks are missing so many players to the Bok setup, fear not, its about to be one less.
  15. See Zane catch, see Zane kick, see Zane run, but not very far. Again, its probably unfair to pick on sideshow Bob as he wasn’t the worst player on the park this last week, but with Lambie, Ludick, Taute and Aplon do we have to keep settling for 5th best?

And finally

  1. Being a good Super rugby coach doesn’t translate into being a good national coach, just ask Dingo. HM is virtually a god on the Highveld, but his recent work with the Boks has been bordering on sacrilegious. I still think he can turn it around, but my unbridled enthusiasm post de Villiers has been somewhat dampened. Conversely, I think the Sharks coaches should catch a break. For all the criticism levelled at Bashford and Reece-Edwards, which SA team played the most exciting rugby over the last half of the super rugby competition? The Sharks backline was broken, they fixed it. Give them some credit. The future is bright, if HM doesn’t ruin the Shark Boks first.


43 Comments

  • I enjoyed reading this, well done :cool:

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.09.12 13:07:59 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : Ditto :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.09.12 13:09:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • You’ve pretty much hit my biggest issue with our former national coach …. No player development plan. He only used the 30 odd players at his disposal and put no effort into taking provincial players and making them national ones … and HM is paying the price for that now…

    Now that weve lost John Smit we only have bismark as a hooker … Guthro … we only have beast … the list goes on….

    Heineke is left trying to put a team together with very little time and little player depth and he is being exposed!!!

    I disagree with your last point – this is not something that can be fixed in a season

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.09.12 13:10:08 by byron Reply

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  • Thank God I didn’t see the game on Saturday, I think I might have popped a blood vessel.

    It’s difficult for the other number 8s to make an impact on the game or any sort of impact when they are forced to play in a tiny box. Keegan Daniel was no doubt dropped because he wanted to play his linking game and bring the backs into the game. With Morne at flyhalf the team really ends at 10 and we have 4 spectators in Bok jerseys behind him and there’s no hope of progress with this donkey there. HM needs to take a chill pill and pull out that pole out which dictates that any creativity in the Boks should be limited to whether the guys are going to tuck the ball under their left or right arm before putting their head down and charging at a player.

    After the Rugby Championship (we can’t unfortunately do it now), HM’s chosen assistants should be sent back to the Bulls and SARU (or anyone else more competent) should appoint his assistants from across the rugby spectrum. Nienaber as defense coach, Hawies Fourie as the backline/attacking coach and maybe someone like Matt Proudfoot as forwards coach. It’s clear the current coaches are there are yes-men and don’t challenge Heineken to change his thinking.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.09.12 13:13:46 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 3) : Have to agree with you. This is definitely something that is fixable this season. Unfortunately not against the kiwis. If DC was there we would take a real pasting. But if we carry on kicking the ball away we’re just going to have Dagg/Jane/Gear running it back and with our FANTASTIC defense letting them through.

    HM is in a comfort zone. Selected only coaches he had worked with and now wants to select the same sort of player.

    Think SARU should do something like what Black Label does for a match between Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates where the public votes on who plays in the team. The majority wins. That might be the only way we get to see Pat Lambie and Goosen get more than 11 minutes on the field after we’ve already lost and need a miracle to get out of it. HM is probably sitting in the land of the long white cloud saying “You see, I gave Lambie and Goosen game time and we still lost’.

    He strikes me as a being a bit myopic.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.09.12 13:22:04 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @byron (Comment 3) : Regarding my last point, I didnt specify I thought he could do it in one season. Im adopting the long term approach, commonly referred to as rampant blind optimism. If Bok supporters always lived in the moment it would be a very painful existence.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.09.12 13:37:20 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Am I the only one who thinks people are being too harsh on Mvovo??

    The guy has some real potential and will hopefully be a Bok legend in years to come.

    Let’s cut him some slack shall we?? :???:

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.09.12 13:41:09 by wpw Reply
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  • Can I just say something and I know I will take flak for it…but without bizzie I really think we need John smit back…

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.09.12 13:45:40 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 8) :

    John Smit won’t last 20 minutes. Did you see him in the Barney’s Army game?

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.09.12 13:53:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • It seems the problem with HM and most coaches in SA is that they are to prideful to take advice from anyone.

    It took JW and PdV all of 4 years, and the prospect of not making good on their 4 year promise, to finally get some outside help to fix the technical issues.

    HM has his “yes man” assistant coaches, and I don’t think he’s willing to take advice from anybody, until it is probably too late. He seems to think that he knows everything and has all the answers and he won’t take advice nor direction from anyone.

    If you want to be a successful coach, you need the ability to integrate the strengths of players, assistants and advisers into a unified force.

    Be self confident enough to be open to new directions and suggestions and have the ability to change and adapt without feeling that your ability is being questioned or undermined.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.09.12 13:55:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Come on… I like Lwazi. With the ball in hand he is deadly. He has great pace, good strength and scores some awesome tries. However, he painted a massive bulls-eye on himself with his performance this last weekend. I predict he comes back from this, but I dont see him getting another chance this 4nations. You think the ABs may throw some up and unders his way if he comes on the field next weekend?

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.09.12 14:00:44 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Get off the tik.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.09.12 14:49:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 5) : I agree with most of your points except the “comfort zone” one… HM was in a comfort zone as the bulls director of rugby. Going from that to bok coach is like a kid who has had years of solid experience on a tricycle suddenly being plonked on an R1 and told to do a lap around SPA Franchorchamps…

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.09.12 14:53:50 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 13) : I’d agree with you but that the moment the comfort zone I’m talking about is that he is comfortable on his tricycle and refuses to get an R1 and is trying to do a lap around SPA Franchorchamps.

    He has surrounded himself with coaches who are his juniors and probably don’t disagree with him. He needs some other more senior coaches there to challenge him. He would probably never accept, for example, Jake White coming in as an assistant coach. Yet Graham Henry did that when he had Wayne Smith, a former AB coach himself, as one of his assistants.

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.09.12 14:57:34 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 14) : My point exactly

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.09.12 15:00:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 14) : Lap around SPA on a tricycle would be pretty funny… On the subject of senoir coaching staff… I’ve also been wondering, where the hell has Rassie Erasmus been the last two games? He was in the booth for the England tests, but nowhere to be seen in TRC…

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.09.12 15:00:52 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 16) : I might be wrong, but this goes on my argument of HM not liking strong minded individuals in his coaching setup. Maybe Rassie turned around and questioned why the only thing we’re doing is kicking and wondered about dropping HM’s beloved Morne.

    Of course, if Derek Hougaard was still around Morne would have been dropped already for that one trick pony.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.09.12 15:04:00 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • I remember from a BOK scrum on the Aussie 10m line, the Aussie centres and wing started retreating to help the fullback BEFORE Morne Steyn even got the ball…..and guess what….Morne kicked the ball straight down their throats!

    I don’t mind losing with a young team if they show some sort of initiative but this ‘plan’ is just bullshit.

    At the point described above I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. At that point I was hoping the Aussies would win….and it was the 1st time ever, in any sport, that I was hoping for a Aussie victory! :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.09.12 15:37:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I would beg Eddie Jones to come & help. I am just going to throw a curve ball here – how about a Plumtree/Mitchell combination as forward/backline coaches? Remember Mallet used Joe van Niekerk & Bob Skinstad as roving No.8′s & it worked. Kanko & Keegan are in the same mould. Where,O,where is our thinking flyhalf? Butch?Lambie?Jantjes?even Peter Grant?What did Ricardo Loubscher do for the Sharks?Oh yes, he played 4 games for the Springboks.So?Not all former players make good coaches (sorry,Rudolf & Andre) :o

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.09.12 15:40:30 by markm Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 11) :
    You do realise that Lwazi is a left wing, right? Is it inconceivable that he will make a positional mistake when playing out of position? And for that you lambaste him?

    Then again you were the one insisting that there was nothing wrong with the Sharks gameplan against the Cheetahs last week. The reality is that players will only shine if they are backed by the coach and allowed to play to their strengths. The Sharks and Boks both looked clueless cos the coach set them up for failure.

    Having been dropped without reason for a scrumhalf, it’s understandable that Lwazi played like someone unsure of himself. Morne apparently deserves being coached into excellence but he did not.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.09.12 15:51:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 14) : meyer wanted AC as his assistant and AC refused, let’s not forget that. the 1st list he gave to jurie roux, the people were under contract.

    the bulle trio of loubscher, van graan and mcfarland were last resorts!

    that said, what is rassie’s role in the bok mix?

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.09.12 16:18:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 20) : “Then again you were the one insisting that there was nothing wrong with the Sharks gameplan against the Cheetahs last week. ” I did nothing of the sort!!! I still havent even seen the Sharks vs Cheetahs game!! Yes, Ive given Lwazi a hard time. He had an awful game. Swapping from left to right shouldnt explain how bad he was, missing the kick off, failing to put Alexander on his butt etc etc. I dont think the sharks current failure in the CC is a reflection of poor coaching. Its a reflection of missing 14 first choice players. How can a coaching team that turned the corner and got the sharks into the super 15 final suddenly be poor because their second stringers are only sitting in joint 1st on the Currie cup table?

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.09.12 16:21:45 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 21) : Thanks I had forgotten that. But if you’re already the head coach it takes a big man to be able to go back to being assistant, especially if he had already been assistant coach to the Boks before.

    But correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t Loubscher, van Graan and McFarland under contract at the Bulls and SARU had to do some wrangling to get them out. Why couldn’t they do that for other coaches? Maybe a convenient excuse.

    Good question about Rassie? Head Bottle washer?

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.09.12 16:23:03 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 22) : Guys, we’ve lost 2 games in the Currie Cup. I wouldn’t say that the CC is a failure. We just need to learn to pitch up when playing away from home as well.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.09.12 16:24:29 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 20) : Oh, and as per my comments, Morne deserves to be coached under the wheels of a speeding bus in front of Loftus. Hougaard was also under pressure and has been moved around, but looked good. Lwazi didnt. It all depends on how you react to adversity as to whether you have what it takes in the big time. Lets see how Lwazi reacts to playing CC rugby for the rest of the season.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.09.12 16:25:01 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 24) : Hence my comment we are only in joint 1st… :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.09.12 16:25:42 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 19) : I truly can not see any coaching in any SA side. They are all managing the ways the guys play in a combined set-up. Meyer has stuck to Morne without coaching him how to play. The way Spencer coached Jantjies is what we need in every position! You take a specialist in a position and you better him.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.09.12 16:25:52 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 26) : Sorry dude. I saw CC failure and I went huh?

    One guy on News24 said it best. If you look at the current Bok team, the majority is made up of players from the Sharks team but they are restricted to playing a kick-and-chase game. Admittedly, kick-and-chase was PART of our tactics. That try from Ludick in the semi final is an example of when it worked. But it was only a part of it. Beast, Alberts and Coetzee would be pushing at the advantage line to open gaps for other players to exploit. The current Bok setup forces them to push at the advantage line and nothing more.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.09.12 16:31:02 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 23) : the bulls were paid 1bar mcfarland, R750k for van graan and 250k for loubscher…if i recall correctly.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.09.12 16:39:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : At least we now know how they can afford to buy every promising youngster they can lay their hands on :grin:

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.09.12 16:44:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 29) : the sharks were fortunate to have a decision-make like freddy in their team..typical example is the sequence leading to jpp’s try against the stormers where they pounded the stormers with their forwards and got to a good field position from a ruck mcleod passes to michalak who looks UP, sizes the drop, thinks of letting another fattie hit up the advantage line but spots etzebeth in the backline defence and fires the ball to jpp to SKIN him! and voila!

    morne is not a think-tank, he is a robot!

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.09.12 16:45:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 22) :
    My apologies: I’m sure it was a guy with a flag in his avatar.

    People shouldn’t be fooled by the CC log -our rugby right now is very poor, and we should be concerned not by the results but by the way we get them. Failing to appreciate this is why a guy like Chadwick gets scapegoated every week.

    Regarding Mvovo, he was poor, but he is a lot better than that. Lets not do a Keegan Daniel to him.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.09.12 16:49:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Boks: :evil: :cry: :evil:
    Sharks: no worries, from the 5 2nd round games we still have to play, 3 @ home, we should end first easily and win the CC with a canter….

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.09.12 16:53:09 by Franshark Reply
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  • When Meyer chose PSDT over Anton Bresler in his training squad in durbs we should have known…

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.09.12 18:43:42 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 34) : I wonder what more Bresler must do to get a shot at the green and gold.

    He’s been rocking the Gauteng mullet, both Danville and Brakpan versions. He’s got a cd collection with Robbie Wessels and Now 34 (or some gomgat sokkie mix) and still Meyer won’t pick him. :lol:

    He’s really trying to embrace the whole Afrikaner broedebond vibe but Meyer is just not buying in. Maybe Bresler just does not have enough citations against him, a few yellows and a red might be the last ingredient needed to be accepted as a true no. 4 lock. :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.09.12 19:22:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) : Bresler’s problem is he is a lock that wears black and white instead of blue……. :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.09.12 19:26:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Dear Heyneke

    It is a source of great embarrassment to me that someone I share a surname with has made Bok rugby as enjoyable as a sulphuric acid enema. Consequently, I shall henceforth refer to you as Heyneke Hoffmeyr. Subtle, no?

    Sincerely
    Culling Song

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.09.12 19:48:08 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 37) : I didn’t know the Bok coaches surname is Song. Learn something new every day! :wink: :razz:

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.09.12 19:51:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) : :lol: :lol: Its a joke ,hes oblivious ,trapped in his own little world .

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.09.12 19:56:44 by Talent Reply
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  • Well, just give us back Lambie for crying out loud. If he is only going to play 9 minutes in 3 whole matches, just send him home!

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.09.12 19:59:48 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • …A hobbit… Bwahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.09.12 20:57:12 by blesbeer Reply

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  • Is that why he always needs to play with Merry Steyn, Sam Kirchner and Pippin Spies all the time?

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.09.12 21:22:52 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : That’s my point Megatron… technically they were also unavailable but HM got them because SARU had to negotiate with the Bulls to release them. Why not bargain to get those others on the list above his beloved Bulls coaches released to Bok duty?

    @Megatron (Comment 31) : Truer words were never spoken. You’re not going to have much success if Morne is expected to think.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.09.12 12:38:41 by Butchie34 Reply
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