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Keegan captain for rest of season


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 12 Sep 2012 at 14:16
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Coach John Plumtree has confirmed via the Sharks website that Keegan Daniel will take over the captaincy from Jean Deysel for the remainder of the Currie Cup season.

The reasoning behind this mid-season change is that Jean Deysel’s rehab every week is apparently keeping him from team work exercises, and the decision to revert back to Daniel has nothing to do with Deysel’s leadership ability.

Other news, which is great considering that Paul Jordaan will miss this weekend’s match against Western Province, is that Tim Whitehead is confirmed to be back in the selection frame, having apparently returned from injury bulkier than before.

The team should be announced tomorrow with very few changes expected, with news regarding Steven Sykes’ injury non-existent, his decision to move to the Kings next year (unconfirmed) might see the player being left out in the cold for the rest of the season.



35 Comments

  • I think this is good news.

    “with news regarding Steven Sykes’ injury non-existent, his decision to move to the Kings next year (unconfirmed) might see the player being left out in the cold for the rest of the season.” very mature by our Union….wonder if thats not why he might be leaving the Sharks too…

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.09.12 14:25:27 by Ice Reply
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  • I don’t buy the explanation behind this one…

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.09.12 14:29:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    Neither do I.. to be honest..

    How long can he possibly be away from the team for physio etc?!

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.09.12 14:33:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) : I dont actually mind much – prefer keegan as Captain

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.09.12 14:43:30 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) : exactly.

    I think this is more about keeping Keegan from straying into his old ways

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.09.12 14:46:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) : Lets be honest its because his captaincy is pretty non existent and his form at the moment barely warrants selection. But the coachobviously cant say that. And besides he has started every game so why is he still doing rehab?

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.09.12 14:46:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Well, the decisions made by both Daniel and Deysel regarding the kicking is much better than it was under Smit/Terblanche. On the field both have been influencial and it’s only on paper Deysel is robbed of the captaincy. Apart from the toss and kicking for points or touch, the captaincy is overrated anyway.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.09.12 14:47:21 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • I think that might be part of the reason, but certainly the fact that Keegan was our SS captain and seems as comfortable in the role as he ever was, was also considered.

    What ever the reason, I don’t think it was a bad decision and don’t think Deysel minds at all, as long as he gets the game time. In fact if the captains duties took anything away from his rehab and getting back to 100% fitness and strength and becoming the player he was before the injuries, he would have invited the option of Keegan replacing him as captain giving him more time to focus on what is important for him as a player at this stage.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.09.12 14:49:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • so just to be clear, I have no issues with the decision… but I don’t buy the reasons given for the decision

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.09.12 14:50:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : I don’t think Deysels form is that bad. I think there is an unreasonable amount of the ball carrying workload shifted to him, but I think he has done reasonably well in his first 5 games back in more than a year (his last game being the CC final 2011, but before that one game he was injured for more than 6 months).

    Give him time and share the workload. Botes, Keegan, our locks all these guys need to step up. I’m not saying he’s at his best, but I think he has been doing a decent job and at times even more than decent (glimpses of his best).

    I thought he was competent as a captain and if Keegan didn’t come back would have gotten the time to grow into the role.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.09.12 14:54:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Yes Rob, but when last have we had a coach that was direct with their reasoning for anything? (That is a coach that did not come into public scrutiny and lose their job shortly after).

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.09.12 14:55:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Rob, why don’t you predict the team for us again this week. You’re usually pretty accurate with it and I’m curious to see if you and Plum are on the same page.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.09.12 14:57:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 12) : ok, thanks… I’ll do so :)

    Chadwick, Hadebe, Herbst, Marais, Bresler, Botes, Deysel, Daniel (capt), McLeod, Viljoen, Speckmann, Bosman, Whitehead, Ndungane, Ludik

    Subs: Dixon, Redelinghuys, Marais, Kleinhans, Stander, Reinach, Joubert

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.09.12 15:02:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • I wonder what this Bulkier in respect of Whitehead mean. Will he be able to run :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.09.12 15:03:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) :

    Something up with Sithole that we don’t know about?

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.09.12 15:04:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Chadwick, Hadebe, Herbst, Marais, Bresler, Botes, Deysel, Daniel (capt), McLeod, Bosman, Speckmann, Whitehead, Joubert, Ndungane, Ludik – I guess my one is less likely.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.09.12 15:06:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 10) : I disagree. Yes he does have to do a lot of ball carrying but he seems to be taking the ball well behind the advantage line now as apposed to right on the line like he used to. Also when last time you see him turn the ball over in a ruck? That was why he earned a Bok call up for the work he did in the rucks.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.09.12 15:07:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Does this confirm Keegan is definitely out of Meyer’s plans for the rest of the Rugby Championships?

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.09.12 15:08:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 16) : But I think you name the team you would like to see, Rob posted the team he thought Plum would select.

    @robdylan (Comment 13) : Although, now I’m interested to know whether this is the team Rob would have selected himself?

    I know you wanted Bosman at 10, but maybe not with Jordaan out injured?

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.09.12 15:09:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : I think it might, but I don’t think we needed any confirmation.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.09.12 15:10:16 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 19) : I would definitely play Meyer at 10, but not if it meant Marius Joubert had to start… and then who do you put on the bench to cover centre?

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.09.12 15:11:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 19) : are you suggesting that I would like to see the MJ named in starting line-up. :twisted: ;-)
    neeh was just playing around with likely options.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.09.12 15:12:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : except for Joubert is there anybody else likely to cover centre?

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.09.12 15:13:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 23) : to be honest, no… both Tjop and Gouws P have been touted as possibilities at 13, but neither has ever played there.

    We’ve been caught with our pants down a little…

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.09.12 15:15:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : You’re right, he’s not close to the player he was yet. I don’t know if taking the ball deeper has something to do with what Plum is showing the players to do, because this is a problem most ball carriers in the team has lately and maybe this is something the coaches needs to work on. So a very good point to raise.

    I don’t want to sound like I’ll just defend anything Deysel does, so his prominence at the breakdown I would have to agree with you. It is worrying that since his return he has looked a lot more like an openside than what made him vital for the Sharks in the past in that he looked more like a blidside even though he always played as an openside.

    But I have to say, since the start of this season we haven’t see many players turning over the ball on the ground. Refs are very strict on this rule these days and makes it really hard for players to steal the ball without getting penalised. I think coaches may be telling there players rather to shy away from this area.

    I would like to see him at least attempt one or two steals though.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.09.12 15:16:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Rob I honestly don’t think we should be worried about who will cover centre if Bosman was selected at 10. Odwa and Ludik or any of our other strong wings could easily cover this position.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.09.12 15:18:27 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : can Bosman play 13?

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.09.12 15:25:22 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : I would just personally like all the forward playing closer to the advantage line. I mean one off runners from a distance get gang tackled and turned over- as Griquas did! Also having the bigger forwards close to the line will allow them to move bodies at the rucks and get turnovers that way.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.09.12 15:27:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : @SheldonK (Comment 17) :

    Don’t you think they are going a little to far with their policing of the breakdowns?

    I really like that they are insuring that players don’t slow the attacking ball down by not rolling away or just diving over a ruck, going of your feet or sealing the ball. All these things are good. But I feel like that have very nearly eliminated the good ball stealers, as even the best ones who will still get a few turn overs will do it at a high risk that not all coaches are willing to take.

    I feel that they should always allow the player who stayed on his feet in the tackle and came from an onside position to play the ball.

    In fact to make it easier for the ref I would enforce a rule that says that no player who went of his feet at any time during a tackle is allowed to play the ball.

    But any player on their feet (who remained on their feet at all times) has all the rights to the ball. This would me that players that has the skill to make ball and all tackles would be able to rip the ball from the tackled player even after they went to ground, as long as they stayed on their feet at all times.

    That’s how I feel about the situation.

    I don’t like that players who are skilled enough to stay on their feet gets penalised. In fact, it goes against any other rugby rule, where the player on the ground has no right to the ball or being involved in play (not even to tackle) until they get to their feet.

    Why then have they adjusted this rule so that tackled players now has the opportunity to hold on to the ball until the tackler (even if he remained on his feet) lets go and tries again?

    Makes no sense to me.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.09.12 15:28:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • Regarding the Sykes situation. You guys have to give credit to the Sharks. They know they can still call on Sykes should the need be there, but they are gonna use this CC now with the knowledge that Sykes won’t be there in the SR next year, to blood the Marais brothers next year and Pieter-Steph, once he is back.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.09.12 15:31:22 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : I agree with that 100%. also if you want a player to take the ball from deep you need dummy runners sitting flat that will draw some of the tacklers on his inside.

    And we also need players running of a ball carriers shoulder, either as support in the tackle or support for the offload, something we don’t see enough of either.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.09.12 15:31:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : Who the hell knows, and even when Meyer says “Keegan will play against Australia” its not worth taking note of it.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.09.12 15:44:41 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Going to be a good game to watch… hopefully

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.09.12 15:57:38 by Dunx Reply

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  • umm – Sykes still hasn’t recovered from his rib injury… those things usually take 3 weeks.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.09.12 16:25:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : You really need to read the entire quote for it to make sense:

    “The decision is one made for the team as well as for Jean Deysel’s benefit,” said Plumtree. “Because of the way we have to rehab his body after each game with the high impact role he plays, with the number of collisions he is involved in, he often misses team work which has to happen in the time that we are looking after his body.

    “For that reason, my decision has gone back to having Keegan as the captain, there is no other reason behind this. Keegan is more than happy to captain the side, he is the Super Rugby captain, and that change will be from this weekend.”

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.09.12 18:45:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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