Richard Ferguson

Goosen to start, Taute tipped for debut


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship, Wallabies on 26 Sep 2012 at 12:32
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Heyneke Meyer has finally given in to the pressure by dropping Morne Steyn from the match 22 altogether, giving Johan Goosen his first start and bringing Elton Jantjies onto the bench.

Another development is the sudden rise of Jaco Taute, who has been pencilled in with Frans Steyn at inside centre, and evein if Steyn is fit to play, Taute will be on the bench and is sure to make an impact at some point during the game. It is expected that Jean de Villiers will shift to inside centre and Taute play outside centre, should Frans not recover.

In other changes, Coenie Oosthuizen comes back onto the bench after a lengthy spell on the sidelines, only coming back for the Cheetahs in recent weeks.

Springboks: 1. Beast Mtawarira, 2. Andrian Strauss, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 5. Andries Bekker, 6. Francois Louw, 7. Willem Alberts, 8. Duane Vermeulen, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 10. Johan Goosen, 11. Francois Hougaard, 12. Francois Steyn/ Jaco Taute, 13. Jean de Villiers (Capt), 14. Bryan Habana, 15. Zane Kirchner.

Reserves: 16. Tiaan Liebenberg, 17. Coenie Oosthuizen, 18. Flip van der Merwe, 19. Marcell Coetzee, 20. Elton Jantjies, 21. Jaco Taute/ Juan de Jongh, 22. PatLambie



123 Comments

  • So Taute leapfrogs De Jongh. :roll:

    No Morne Steyn. I’m happy with that.

    Lambie still on the bench. :???: :shock:

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.09.12 12:36:01 by wpw Reply
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  • Steyn out of the 22? Is this FOR REAL???

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.09.12 12:36:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • How Goosen jumps Jantjies in the ranks is a bit unbelievable, but any flyhalf ahead of Steyn is a step in the right direction!

    Jantjies is sure to play at some point, Goosen simply cannot play 80 minutes without injuring himself..

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.09.12 12:41:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Short a reserve, Coenie? EDIT: See you fixed that

    Happy that Morne got the boot. Furious that Lambie is still on the bench, and still exclusively a fullback. Happy for Taute, whether he gets the start or bench, Furious that he gets picked as a 12. Taute is a 15 who can play 13, JdV is a 12. Why play them wrong way round?!? Is this really the mind of a Super Rugby winning coach at work? If so, SA Rugby as a whole is fast heading up that foul smelling creek. Lets just hope someone packed a paddle

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.09.12 12:42:59 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : I think your calendar is wrong, I am sure it’s April 1 today :?:

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.09.12 12:46:09 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    I must say I didn’t expect him to be dropped all together. :grin:

    I also think it would have been better to see Hougaard pairing with Goosen in the half back position but at least it’s a step in the right direction.

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.09.12 12:49:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Sad that lambie is left out, but i this reeks of something. I am not sure if the coach is trying to hang people out to dry. Jantjies has been great in the last 2 years currie cups but in S15 & last international he wasn’t that great.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.09.12 12:50:50 by Dunx Reply

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  • I would have Coetzee starting in the 7 jumper ahead of big Vic

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.09.12 12:51:29 by durbsguy Reply

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  • We can actually win now if Heyneke allows the players to run the ball!

    @Die Kriek (Comment 4) : Taute will go to 13 and JDV shift in 1 position.

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.09.12 12:53:46 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Baby steps. Well actually one baby step to be exact.

    Lambie will have to brush up on his Dutch and his knowledge of Afrikaans music “stars” if he’s to crack the starting 15. :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.09.12 12:55:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : HM probably realised that it’d be too much for Morras to get booed on his beloved Loftus. ;-)

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.09.12 12:57:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 11) : lol nice one

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.09.12 12:58:53 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) :

    I agree. Elton is the form 10 in SA at the moment.

    Oh well… whatever! :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.09.12 12:59:30 by wpw Reply
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  • When is HM going to see that sideshow Bob is not the answer at 15 and Pat MUST start???

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.09.12 13:03:04 by CLASSIC SHARK Reply

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  • I GIVE UP ! :shock: I am sooooo angry now … :cry: again, no Lambie ! What has Lambie done wrong ? WHY does Meyer ignore him ? Meyer is giving “everybody and his bloody brother” a chance to play, as long as it keeps Lambie off the field. :sad: What the heck is going on ?

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.09.12 13:12:22 by swan Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : I hate tinking this way but I have also started wondering if Lambies treatment has more to do with the language he speaks than his playing abilities.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.09.12 13:17:46 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @swan (Comment 15) :

    HTFU dude!

    Geez! :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.09.12 13:18:22 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    I don’t think that’s the case.

    How does Taute leapfrog De Jongh all of a sudden??

    Juan is more experienced and is a Bok already. He has played test rugby and scored some decent tries too.

    Maybe HM just doesn’t rate De Jongh or Lambie. :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.09.12 13:20:06 by wpw Reply
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  • I really feel for Morne Steyn. He never selected himself and shouldnt have been playing for the Boks. Meyer, by playing him, did the team and the player a disservice. His confidence must be shot.

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.09.12 13:21:32 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) : I am also wondering about that now — I am Afrikaans, but one has to wonder if that could be a reason. If you look at the team, it is only Beast who is not Afrikaans …. makes one wonder, doesn’t it ? Seriously, is it at all possible that Lambie is not given a chance because he is English ? It is SCARY if that is the case …. :cry:

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.09.12 13:22:49 by swan Reply

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  • @swan (Comment 20) : @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    You know what, scratch that (what I said earlier)

    Heyneke’s Bulls teams in recent years also consisted of predominently Afrikaans players.

    I think Warren Brosnihan was the last English player to play under him. :shock:

    Could it be??

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.09.12 13:27:48 by wpw Reply
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  • HTFU …. ??? :arrow: Meaning, please …. :?:

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.09.12 13:28:27 by swan Reply

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  • Listen carefully, de Jongh has an English lisp mixed in with his Wellington accent. :twisted:

    Seiously, I dont have answers.

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.09.12 13:28:44 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @swan (Comment 22) :

    Harden The Flip (for lack of a better word) Up :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.09.12 13:30:46 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 21) : And Bros sure has a special way of talking English.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.09.12 13:32:38 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) :

    Emphasis on ‘special’ eh?? ;-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.09.12 13:44:48 by wpw Reply
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  • Bloody hell, drop Lambie if you aren’t interested in using him! The poor guy has had 10 minutes of rugby in the last month and a half.

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.09.12 13:47:28 by PTAShark Reply

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  • @CLASSIC SHARK (Comment 14) : To be fair, Kirchner is a better full-back than Lambie, simply because Lambie is a fly-half or at the very least inside center but as a full-back he is not close enough to the action.

    I would have loved to see a backline of Pienaar-Lambie-Habana-JdV-Taute-Aplon-Ludik

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.09.12 13:48:29 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • @TRF_Ezequiel (Comment 28) :

    9. Pienaar
    10. Elton
    11. Mvovo
    12. Lambie
    13. Hougaard
    14. Taute
    15. Frans Steyn

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.09.12 14:02:35 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @swan (Comment 20) : Yeah I’m also Afrikaans, dare I say originally from planet blue :shock: (never supported the blue fools though, always been a Natal supporter).

    But let’s see how long before Coenie starts at LH ahead of the Beast.

    It sure is an interesting/disturbing truth about HM’s preference of Afrikaans players.

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.09.12 14:05:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 30) : If that is honestly his reasoning he’s a bigger idiot than I’ve thought.

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.09.12 14:08:35 by PTAShark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) : Bros’s favourite word in the commentary box “GALVANISED!”

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.09.12 14:10:50 by MikeVS Reply

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  • We need an SA A Team so that Lambie can get dropped and get some high quality gametime at 10!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.09.12 14:13:27 by ChrisS Reply
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  • :shock: :grin: :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.09.12 14:14:34 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Here’s the thing. Let me explain the Afrikaans thing. Firstly, without even counting or going into it, I can almost certainly say that there is way more Afrikaans speaking rugby players in South African provincial teams than any other language. Even the Sharks from a traditionally more English province has more Afrikaans speaking players. So to ask HM to pick players based on language and to think that he is excluding players because they’re not a certain language is, I think, clutching at straws.

    Secondly, I’m Afrikaans, and although I am pretty fluent in English and don’t struggle communicating with my English friends, I can express myself better in Afrikaans. So, to say that there might be a communication gap between English players and a very Afrikaans coach, might be fare. And it might even be fare to say that this could be to their disadvantage, as communication and understanding between a coach and his players are important, but HM can’t help that he is Afrikaans and therefore can probably communicate a little better with Afrikaans players, and could possibly even find himself therefore preferring a certain Afrikaans player over an English player, but I do not think that this in any way would be a concious decision that he would make.

    Lets not be ridiculous and come up with our own conspiracy theories just because we disagree with the way HM does things. By the way, I think he wants this team to win more than any of us, so the decisions he makes, would be decisions he makes on his believe that it would be in the best interest of the team. Just because he might be wrong, or we believe he is wrong, does not mean there is some hidden reason behind it.

    Maybe he just is an idiot! ;-)

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.09.12 14:20:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • Dam you sharkies are paranoid .. remember Keegan Daniel ?

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.09.12 14:23:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 36) : It’s interesting to see which players coaches fancy and what gameplans they prefer.

    I think we’re a little bit size-obsessed in this country when it comes to rugby. A guy like Brent Russell should have had more than 50 caps for the Boks and been a legend but perception was that he was too small. Hope we start focussing more on skill soon and not on size!

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.09.12 14:32:08 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 37) :

    I agree with that ! No arguing form me . Id like to see Brussouw there (Ohhh … an Afrikaans person not being picked :P )

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.09.12 14:40:28 by Zibbie Reply
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  • don’t worry sharkies, lambie will come on for zane for his now customary 5 minutes run :mrgreen: :lol:

    from SuperPat to 3DPat to downright 5minutePat

    hehehehe :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.09.12 14:42:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 35) :

    I agree,I really can’t see language being an issue. :???:

    Come-on chaps try a new conspiracy theory! ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.09.12 14:46:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Oh and Lambie. The only thing I would complain about is, that HM can’t see that the player is in desperate need of some game time. He may not rate him as a flyhalf (which I disagree with) and he may not rate him as a starting 15 (which I kinda agree with), but does he really believe it is in the best interest of the player to sit on the Bok bench game after game, never seeing any or hardly any game time?

    As for Goosen.

    I really hope he has an awesome game. His confidence and fearlessness is a great quality to have at his age. He will be playing next to a scrumhalf that will make it easier for him. Ruan can take a lot of the pressure and decision making on his shoulders and will no when to give the ball to Goosen to “run with it”, and make some magic.

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.09.12 14:46:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 41) : I still believe Lambie is a better flyhalf (in another class even, with Jantjies), but this is Goosen’s shot and I will fully support his opportunity and hope he can step up to the plate and play his best game this weekend.

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.09.12 14:49:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 39) : PATHETIC way to treat a player with his talent.

    Why can´t we learn from NZ? They never seem to have the same “building from scratch” problems we have. By the time a guy like Carter retires or gets a long injury layoff, there´s always a new guy ready to step into the position, almost effortlessly.

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.09.12 14:50:43 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 39) : It would be better if Lambie went back to the Sharks. His confidence must be shot. The belief of the coach is all-important!

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.09.12 14:51:49 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 43) : @ChrisS (Comment 44) : You know what guys. If Lambie doesn’t have the composure to deal with these past months as he have dealt with his opposition when every time he has taken the field. Then maybe he is not as good as we all thought he is.

    Lets stop feeling sorry for him. He’s 21. He has time. He needs to fight for his spot.

    Be patient. Carry the bags like it’s the most important job in the world. Sit on the bench and support your team, like they can’t do it without him there. Take your 5 minutes, make every take, catch every ball, clean every ruck and make every break he can. If he doest get more than that this year…

    Then he’ll be fresh for SR 2013 and there, he can fight to prove that he is the best flyhalf,… or he can give up, play at full back – ‘Or just wherever the coach needs him’. The death quote for every gifted player.

    I’m really interested to see what he’ll do.

    And I really do think, Pat is stronger and more mature than all those that has gone before him.

    Watch this space, I suppose.

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.09.12 15:16:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • Just a thought, if Lambie replaces Kirschner and Coenie replaces Beast, we will only have Habana as a player of colour on the field, wouldn”t that get Heyneke into trouble? Maybe that is on his mind when he picks the team? We must remember that we already have Hougaard playing in JPP’s spot.

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.09.12 15:20:22 by Bite me Reply

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  • Was there not talk of Coenie Oosthuizen changing to the other side of the scrum? Would rather have him replacing Jannie than Beast.

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.09.12 15:22:10 by Bite me Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 35) : @Pokkel (Comment 40) : I really dont think that anyone here really believes that Meyer has something against Lambie because he is good looking and English speaking. As you said Letgo, clutching at straws it is in trying to find out why he is giving Lambie the bird.

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.09.12 15:23:57 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Bite me (Comment 46) :

    Those thoughts are not allowed here. :roll:

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.09.12 15:28:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Bite me (Comment 46) : You are not allowed to make those observations.
    Maybe we can paint/tan Lambie – that may get him on the field. :twisted:

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.09.12 15:29:48 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 18) : That’s a really simple one to answer and I’m surprised no one else has noticed the similarities there (instead of heading off on the language tangent) – both Lambie and de Jong are short players. Same goes for Aplon, Jantjies and possibly even Brussouw. It’s obvious that Meyer like White, prefers his Boks big.

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.09.12 15:41:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 48) : There’s no conspiracy. I just want him released to get game time!

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.09.12 15:43:18 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Bite me (Comment 46) : If that’s true then why drop de Jong and Mvovo completely. Both players are good enough, even better than Kirchner (although not fullback) and could be starting. Realistically HM could be playing 5 players (without the mediocre Kirchner) and still have a better team than the Morne/Kirchner team. Look …

    15. Taute/Lambie
    14. Habana
    13. de Jongh
    12. Jean/ Taute
    11. Mvovo (I really haven’t been that impressed with Hougaards starts at 11 this year).
    10. Jantjies
    9. Ruan
    8. Alberts
    7. Marcell
    6. Kolisi
    (An option HM also never took, but I thought Kolisi could have been used by now).

    My forwards would look like this though.

    8. Alberts
    7. Marcell
    6. Brussouw
    5. Kruger
    4. Etzebeth
    3. du Plessis
    2. Strauss
    1. Beast

    16. Coenie
    17. Burden
    18. Bekker
    19. Keegan
    20. Hougaard
    21. Goosen
    22. Kirchner / Aplon / better options – Willie le Roux / Ludik

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.09.12 15:44:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 51) : Ja, but Afrikaans ous are naturally bigger than souties and people of colour, so its getting back to the language thing. :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.09.12 15:45:26 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) : @Salmonoid (Comment 50) : I fell into the trap. :???:

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.09.12 15:46:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 52) : I see I should have used a smiley when I first mentioned the “taal”.

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.09.12 15:48:15 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • Lambie should just go in next years SupeRugby and just make all the other SA flyhalfs look ordinary, just as we all know he can. Look, Goosen is very good, but he is no Super Pat!

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.09.12 15:48:23 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 51) : Schalk Burger didn’t think Lambie was too small after that oscar winning hand-off in 2010 cc final.

    And while HM is this hung up on size, maybe he should consider that the big guys can also do with some (a LOT) of skills training.

    Look at the island nations, especially in 7′s, twice the size of our guys with the same amount of ball skills. Look at SBW, as big as they come and revolutionised passing in the tackle.

    But in SA, big equals slow and dumb. :???:

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.09.12 15:50:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 53) : Kirchner is so integral to the Bulls and (until now) the Boks game plan in conjunction with Morne Steyn that I am totally convinced that Goosen has been instructed, no drilled, to play Steyns game. I hope Im wrong.

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.09.12 15:51:57 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • I really don’t think Jean de Villiers deserves his start any more.

    Now that Morne has been dropped we can move on to the other positions where Meyer is getting it wrong. Jean being the first one. Even over Zane, because Zane although not exciting has been solid which can be a good quality for a fullback.

    Jean has just been awful though.

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.09.12 15:52:27 by Letgo Reply
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  • Sorry, just could not see it being the language or the beautiful locks of hair and was seeking an answer to the riddle of “Vlooitaxi” at fullback.

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.09.12 15:52:29 by Bite me Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 57) : Totally agree!

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.09.12 15:53:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bite me (Comment 61) : You forgot he’s a Bull and you’re allowed to have those thoughts here.

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.09.12 15:54:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • I don’t think Hougaard has been good enough at 9 or 11 to motivate his continued selection. Not in the starting 15.

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.09.12 15:55:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 64) : Which of the backs have?

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.09.12 16:02:07 by rhineshark Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 65) : Habana has shown that he’s still able to create some magic with that try of his against the AB’s.

    It is however hard to judge the guys while standing next to MS. This Saturday should give a clearer indication of what our backs are made of.

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.09.12 16:07:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Well even with HM’s logic, it is still a decision that should be. Using HM’s logic, you need your flyhalf to be a good goalkicker and M.Steyn was not that, costing us a rare test win in New Zealand.

    Using our logic, M.Steyn should be dropped because, besides his shocking goal kicking, he makes a good Bok backline stagnant.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.09.12 16:10:59 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 66) : That was one moment in how many tests? Our backline as a unit has been as effective as a catflap in an elephant house ( with apologies to Edmund).

    Is it wrong of me to hope that Frans doesn´t recover so that JdV can move back to 12 and Taute start?

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.09.12 16:12:21 by rhineshark Reply

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  • Finally, Morne out!! Goosen in! Very good indeed..
    But where the f is L A M B I E ! ! ! On the bench again!
    HM is screwing him every week a little more……

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.09.12 16:23:57 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • The difference between Meyer and De Villiers… With De Villiers I rarely got my Bok XV to be the same as the one he selected… With Meyer that starting XV is exactly the same (assuming F.Steyn recovers and with the exception of Kirchner) as the one I made on Monday :cool:

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.09.12 16:34:25 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN…

    John Dumtree is too blame for Pat’s recent demise!!
    - Lambie is the best 10 defensively
    - Lambie has proven BMT
    - Lambie is the only Bok 10 I have ever seen to do well in a retreating pack – vs All Blacks in Wellington last year
    - Lambie has never, I repeat, NEVER had a bad game at 10 at any level….correct me if u think Im wrong…
    NOW….
    - Michalak played 2 or 3 games at 9 and was poor
    - then filled in for injured Lambie for 2 games and was poor…THAT IS 5 OR 6 POOR GAMES!!!

    - Louis Ludick was 1st replaced by Viljoen and then by Lambie later but STILL NEVER HAD 1 BAD GAME ALL SEASON

    And yet it was Dumtree who selected the player who plaed 6 poor games ahead of Ludick who was exceptional all season…..

    Goosen has great talent but he has done nothing in comparison to Pat or Elton in fact to warrant selection ahead of them

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.09.12 16:55:36 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • lambie is a part-time fullback and his tactical kicking is inferiot to zane’s so i have no quibbles with him as cover. :grin:

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.09.12 16:59:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 71) : you with your caps and your nicknames… ever got anything nice to say about anyone? Didn’t your mom teach you that one? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.09.12 17:01:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @TRF_Ezequiel (Comment 28) : TRF in what way is bob better than Lambie,?

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.09.12 17:07:34 by CLASSIC SHARK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : Between the lines Rob ,he is saying plenty of “nice” things about Pat, why critisize him then?? can he not have an earnest opinion? ive certainly witnessed you have plenty !!?

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.09.12 17:12:29 by CLASSIC SHARK Reply

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  • @CLASSIC SHARK (Comment 75) : it’s the fact that he feels the need to denigrate others in so doing…

    I agree with the oke, for goodness sake, but the shouting (typing all in caps) and obsession with Plumtree (or Dumbtree) is getting tiring.

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.09.12 17:17:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @CLASSIC SHARK (Comment 75) : and when have I ever been forthright in my opinions…? :oops: :lol:

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.09.12 17:19:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : Rob ,some guys are just a lot more passionate/heated about things than others..I have seen you reprimand people in the past for swearing on your blog , only for you personally to do the same thing that you yourself have just deemed unnecessary!im sure those superlatives too only happen because of your heated love or frustration for your team.

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.09.12 17:32:15 by CLASSIC SHARK Reply

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  • @CLASSIC SHARK (Comment 78) : ja, ok… fair enough.

    But I don’t shout as much :)

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.09.12 17:43:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : haha very true , i cant challenge that one, our opinions are what make our characters im sure you wont mind me shouting “”WE ARE PROUD TO SUPPORT THE SHARKS”" our unified opinion im sure?

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.09.12 17:51:18 by CLASSIC SHARK Reply

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  • pat lambie September 2010:

    Lambie himself says he is in no
    rush to pick a number, despite
    what happened to two other
    Sharks players – Ruan Pienaar
    and Frans Steyn – when they were labeled utility backs.

    ‘I’ve enjoyed 15, 12 and 10 and I don’t yet know which one I’m best at or which one I enjoy the most.
    But with a bit more time and
    experience I’ll be able to decide
    on a position, put my mind to it
    and stay there,’ he says.

    ‘I have honestly enjoyed all three
    positions, and maybe it helped
    that I played 12 after fullback
    before moving to 10, but the most
    important thing is that I’ve played
    a sequence of games in each
    position. I haven’t played one
    game here, one game there, and then gone back to the previous position.’

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.09.12 17:53:09 by Megatron Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 30) : thanks for saying that. ek is ook afrikaans, but I’m convinced HM has something against souties. Lambie vs Goosen, J Potgieter ahead of Keegan in squad. JJ engelbrecht ahead of Whitehead. No peter grant in any training squad….

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.09.12 18:17:09 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 35) : Brilliant! Yes, he is indeed an idiot. There I go showing my bias, I’ve not even met him!
    If there was ever a time to retain the selection committee – and yes there were times when we need to can it – this was it.
    This man’s selections defy belief at times.

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.09.12 19:34:35 by neilster Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 82) : haha, yes Potgieter, I’d almost forgotton about that selection! Incidentally did you see him drop like a sack of sh*t when Brussouw hit him on Sat. Pure poetry.
    I for one never agreed with JJ Engelbrecht’s selection but he didn’t even get a chance before being dropped from the squad altogether!
    I actually think Lambie may be next for the scrapheap now that Taute is fit, Meyer’s obsession with size will determine that.

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.09.12 19:41:14 by neilster Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 84) : That will be HM’s dream come true, he won’t have to employ any English words when calling a move, and the opposition will then finally not be able to know that there’s going to be an up-and-under or some crash balling.

    Genius, sheer genius I tell ya! (cue evil laugh) :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.09.12 20:12:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Dear coach Heyneke

    Congratulations on your appointment, and thank you for everything you’ve done thus far! Ever since you’ve taken over the reigns, my husband’s interest in rugby had been steadily dwindling, and since he no longer fritters his Saturdays away in front of the idiot box he has so much more time available to mow the lawn, put up curtain rails and babysit while I go shopping. May your reign be long; you know you’ll always have my vote!

    Your no. 1 fan
    Mrs. Culling Song

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.09.12 20:18:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Culling

    You sure that letter aint from Pokkel’s missus? :lol:

    He admitted recently that she looked VERY surprised and even shocked when he mainly laughed through our last match against the Aussies :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.09.12 21:19:46 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 87) : You’re a married man, you should know that all wives are connected and compare notes via a special wife-network…

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.09.12 21:26:19 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 88) : wife network, is that the same as wi-fi?

  • Comment 89, posted at 27.09.12 07:06:33 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) :

    You have not watched Green Mile yet ? :p

  • Comment 90, posted at 27.09.12 07:31:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 71) :

    Ever thought that the Bok coach tells the Provincial coaches where to play players ?

    Or tells them where the best chance of making the Bok squad is ?

  • Comment 91, posted at 27.09.12 07:32:27 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) :

    That amount of shouting just cant be good for your keyboard …

  • Comment 92, posted at 27.09.12 07:35:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 89) :

    :shock: :lol:

  • Comment 93, posted at 27.09.12 07:41:49 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 89) : …or WivesApp :?:

  • Comment 94, posted at 27.09.12 07:49:25 by R144N Reply

     
  • I hate saying this, but at the moment I really would not blame Lambie if he took a huge deal to go play his rugby in europe…

  • Comment 95, posted at 27.09.12 08:14:05 by HeinF Reply

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  • HM is quoted on Sport24 as saying “Every player has carte blanche to play it like he sees it,” Meyer told Beeld” :shock:

  • Comment 96, posted at 27.09.12 08:17:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 96) : and “the way they see it” means to do what HM wants…

  • Comment 97, posted at 27.09.12 08:20:18 by R144N Reply

     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 90) : to be fair, though, they did use camera trickery to make MCD look much bigger than he is (or was) in real life

  • Comment 98, posted at 27.09.12 08:36:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 90) : :lol: I should have said in a Southern African context.

  • Comment 99, posted at 27.09.12 08:53:48 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • All you people who say size is the determining factor in the non-selection of Lambie, please note, that while Goosen is a little taller than Lambie, he weighs 2 KG less than Lambie.

  • Comment 100, posted at 27.09.12 16:09:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 100) : howzit DB. How’s things?

  • Comment 101, posted at 27.09.12 16:13:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) : Wonderful, thank you Rob, hope all is well with you.

    Another point regarding the apparent snubbing of Lambie by Meyer, while it is appropriate to say that Lambie has to be hard, and work hard to prove that he is the best and deserves a start. One has to also consider how Meyer’s treatment of Lambie affects Lambie’s psyche. Lambie has continued to struggle for any game time under Meyer, yet the minute Goosen becomes healthy he leapfrogs Lambie to be the starting 10. Now Taute, a fullback is brought into the match 22 while Lambie remains on the bench. It has to enter Lambie’s mind that it is just a matter of time before Taute leapfrogs him to become backup 15. This is very poor treatment of a young player, and is not in the best interest of the player or SA rugby.

  • Comment 102, posted at 27.09.12 16:17:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) : this is exactly the thing that irritate me, DB.

    It seems there are different sets of rules… I’ve been told (by someone who knows Meyer well) that the likes of Lambie and Coetzee must be happy to just be in the squad at this stage because they are young players and “their time will come”. Why does that not apply to Goosen or Taute? It seems there’s one set of rules for players that Meyer has decided he “rates” and a different set for anyone else.

  • Comment 103, posted at 27.09.12 16:46:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) : and yes – I think you are quite right about what must be going through Lambie’s head when he suddenly sees both Taute and Jantjies on the bench… “uh oh… another flyhalf and another fullback brought in from nowhere while I never get onto the field. What is the coach trying to tell me?”

  • Comment 104, posted at 27.09.12 16:48:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • When I was in my twenties, I used to get angry easily and yell and scream like Meyer. By the time I was 30 I had learned how incredibly ineffective this is in trying to get the best out of people working for you. I am 50 now, and I honestly can’t remember the last time I raised my voice in anger. Meyer is 45, and if he has not learned how ineffective yelling, screaming into a walkie talkie and getting angry is then there is little hope of him learning this. This single factor, in my opinion means that he will never be a great international coach. That might work with juniors, but international, professional players are simply not going to react positively to this. Just my opinion.

  • Comment 105, posted at 27.09.12 16:54:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 104) : It makes me wonder if Meyer may purposely be trying to destroy Lambie’s confidence, while keeping him off the field for the Sharks in the Currie Cup, ultimately hurting their chances of winning. Yeah I know, conspiracy theory, and I honestly believe that Meyer is not bright enough to come up with something that complex.

  • Comment 106, posted at 27.09.12 16:57:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 105) : I must say that the thing that’s probably causing me the most disappointment here is that Meyer is hardly behaving with the gravitas and dignity that I was hoping he would… given for how long he’s apparently been a “shoe-in” for the job.

  • Comment 107, posted at 27.09.12 17:06:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 107) : Perfect, you said in much fewer words what I was trying to get across.

  • Comment 108, posted at 27.09.12 17:12:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 108) : sometimes I have these blinding flashes :)

  • Comment 109, posted at 27.09.12 17:48:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : hehehe, fortunately I have known you long enough to know those are far more than just flashes.

  • Comment 110, posted at 27.09.12 18:16:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : Hey DB! As a Sharks supporter I can understand where the conspiracy theories come from, but the sad truth is simply that Heyneke Meyer neither has the clarity of thought nor coaching acumen that we, the rugby loving public, have been led to believe.

    Now, onto more important matters. As a fellow Lagavulin lover, have you tried Ardbeg? It has this “licking out a fireplace and then biting into a lime wedge” thing going on that I think you’ll enjoy.

  • Comment 111, posted at 27.09.12 19:56:12 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 111) : Howzit CS. I have not tried it, but I know what I will be looking for the next time I go Whisky shopping. Thanks!

  • Comment 112, posted at 27.09.12 20:37:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 110) : you’re too kind

  • Comment 113, posted at 27.09.12 20:44:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just something to consider, when I was in a job where the powers that be were trying to get rid of me, every time a project came up that was particularly suited to my skill set, they would assign the project to someone with far less experience. It was very hard to retain a positive attitude about my employer and my own abilities. Eventually I lost the job. I see something very similar happening to Lambie with the Boks. When a new Flyhalf was needed and Lambie’s skills were suited to the position, someone with less experience was brought in and given the job. Then when it appears that we need a new fullback, another person with less experience is brought into the fold. It has to enter Lambie’s mind that he is soon to be axed from the Bok squad. Sad really.

  • Comment 114, posted at 27.09.12 21:25:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 114) : Axing him would be the best thing for him atm. Its more than clear the Bok management team give exactly one f%#$ less than squat about him and his future

  • Comment 115, posted at 27.09.12 22:31:48 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : ROb Im sure HM and Plum give you a few rage fits from time to time…mine are just becoming more and more frequent ;-) !!!

    Besides, u dont disagree what I said about Lambie right??

  • Comment 116, posted at 28.09.12 04:45:11 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 116) : I agree that Lambie is being treated poorly by the Boks. I don’t agree that it’s all Plum’s fault.

    One thing I DO know is that the very same fans who are now crucifying Plum for not picking Pat ahead of Freddie would’ve been equally quick to call for his head had we lost a play-off match because he dropped the in-form player

  • Comment 117, posted at 28.09.12 09:16:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • lambie is not beung treated poorly, the coach just rates someone else over him, not if the bunch of sharksworld-ers think differently to the coach, fine but nobody is owed a call up, a start or even a run. he is privileged to be in the Bok team, he must wait for his chance!

  • Comment 118, posted at 28.09.12 10:10:35 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : Im not one of those crucifying Plum for playing Fred ahead of Pat. I actually dont think Plum even had a choice, Michalak had hit such a vein of good form (as of the game against the Cheetahs in Bloem) that he just could not justify dropping/moving him. Of all positions on the field, a coach would wish for an inform flyhalf and when he has it he wont be willing to jeopardise that.

  • Comment 119, posted at 28.09.12 10:18:07 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 119) : yes – that’s my view on the situation too.

    Plum saved his job by sticking with Fred and I don’t blame him one iota for doing so.

    What I do have a problem with is people who don’t (or won’t) understand the reasoning behind that decision using it as a stick to beat Plum – or to excuse Pat’s exclusion from a fair shot at the Bok flyhalf jersey.

  • Comment 120, posted at 28.09.12 10:34:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Frans Steyn and Oosthuizen ruled out of Test !!!!

  • Comment 121, posted at 28.09.12 12:57:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) :
    i guess this is where we will disagree then.
    for me Ludick was our best 15 all season and that includes Lambie.
    It is known worldwide how up nd down Michalak can be (yes i agree he played well towards the end)…and here i feel it was unfair to pick the up and down player ahead of Ludick..

    Oh and a heads up…im sure we will have another disagreement or 2 next year ;-) haha
    Ie. Best loose trio and best centre combo for the Sharks

  • Comment 122, posted at 28.09.12 17:41:52 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 122) :

    Ludik ;)

  • Comment 123, posted at 28.09.12 18:01:07 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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