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Bok player ratings v Aus


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 1 Oct 2012 at 09:00
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The Boks finally bounced back with a great win against the woeful Aussies. Let’s see how they fared…

1) Beast Mtawarira. Stood his ground well at scrum time, while also tackling and rucking effectively. One or two nice ball carries, but can still improve further in this area. 7/10
2) Adriaan Strauss. Great execution of the basics, with some good moments with ball in hand too. 7/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. Anchored the scrum well and was generally very effective elsewhere. Showed nice hands on a few occasions too and managed to keep his discipline in check. 7/10
4) Eben Etzebeth. Bounced back in the best possible way after Perth and used his bulk and height to great effect. Several crucial lineout steals at the front of the set piece, as well as a number of great carries and bone-crunching clean-outs. 8/10
5) Andries Bekker. Played well over-all, but still has an annoying tendency to pop up in the back-line and die with the ball when he should be passing. Superb lineout work, as you would expect of a man with his height. 6/10
6) Francois Louw. Almost the perfect game from the versatile flanker, who combined superb pilfering (and interfering) skills on the deck with sublime running at times. How good was that pass to set up Habana’s last try? 9/10
7) Willem Alberts. Huge on defence and played the roll of the work horse in the loose trio, allowing the other two to shine with the ball. 7/10
8) Duane Vermeulen. A great game from a player who is rapidly finding his feet at this level and looking like he truly belongs. Involved in everything and added massive impact to every situation. 8/10

9) Ruan Pienaar. Goal-kicking wobbles aside, it was a fine performance from Pienaar, whose options were very good and played well to take pressure off his young flyhalf. 8/10
10) Johan Goosen. A very encouraging first start, apart from the goal-kicking. Has a troubling tendency to stand very deep on attack, which stymies his backline’s options, but showed on the few occasions that he did come up flatter that he has an impressive bag of tricks at his disposal. A lovely line-break and a few pin-point attacking passes will have the fans gushing. 7/10
11) Francois Hougaard. I saw nothing from him other than a missed tackle which led to the only Aussie try. 5/10
12) Jean de Villiers. A good outing from the captain, who enjoyed the surfeit of quality ball and made more metres with ball in hand than we’ve seen for a long time. Good decisions too, for the most part. 7/10
13) Jaco Taute. A solid debut, if you ignore one or two early handling wobbles. Very strong on defence and had a few decent runs, although found space to be a rather precious commodity in his first outing at this level. 7/10
14) Bryan Habana. Showed his class in everything he did. How can you argue with three tries in a fine all-round showing? The Boks’ most dangerous attacking weapon is back on song… and that song should be noting other than “Gee die bal vir Bryan”! 9/10
15) Zane Kirchner. All the nonsense about the “brilliant game” that he had aside, I honestly didn’t see Kirchner do all that much that you wouldn’t expect from any competent fullback at this level. Scored a nice try, yes, but was guilty losing the ball in contact a bit too easily for my liking. 6/10

16) Tiaan Liebenberg. Not enough minutes for Winnie the Pooh to get a rating.
17) Pat Cilliers. Not on long enough.
18) Flip van der Merwe. A pretty impressive showing from Flip, who got properly stuck in all over the park. 7/10
19) Marcell Coetzee. Showed great awareness and commitment to pounce on a loose ball and save a certain try within 30 seconds of getting onto the field. Tackled like a trojan thereafter, but had little opportunity with ball in hand. 7/10
20) Elton Jantjies. Not long enough to be rated. Deserved more time.
21) Juan de Jongh. Not long enough to be rated.
22) Pat Lambie. Two great touch finders, but otherwise had little to do. Looked a little rusty, which is not all that surprising, really… 6/10



41 Comments

  • 6 for Andries, simply can’t agree, he deserves a bit better thn that

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.10.12 09:19:58 by Ludz Reply
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  • bekker 6 and lambie 6? bwahhahahahaahahaha

    the same lambie who got caught in no man’s land and didn’t even attempt a tackle when aus scored? pffft

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.10.12 09:37:19 by Megatron Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) : Come on Tron, the only reason that happened was because Hougie missed his man and Lambie had to go for the inside man.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.10.12 09:56:45 by MikeVS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) : He was left having to cover 3 attackers after Hougaards brilliant idea of standing in the Aus line backfired.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.10.12 09:57:42 by Die Kriek Reply
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  • So great to have a Springbok 8 that gets stuck in! Duane’s performance (to me) was the most enjoyable part of watching Saturday’s game.

    Kirchner is a reliable fullback, especially under the high ball but his decision making appears to be nothing more than potluck at times.

    Beale is class and once again proves how much of a difference a quality playmaker (especially at flyhalf) can make to a side even when the rest of the team is not performing.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.10.12 10:05:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • That try that Kirchner scored was not brilliant. Any player at that level would have scored that try.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.10.12 10:14:33 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Habana is clearly loving playing under Meyer and even more so at his beloved Loftus. He should never have gone to Province.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.10.12 10:19:07 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @MikeVS (Comment 3) : @Die Kriek (Comment 4) : so you okes agree that Bekker deserves a 6 just like Lambie who touched the ball twice if i recall well and cleared it? :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.10.12 10:24:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 8) : But using that reasoning, the less time a player spends on the pitch (or with ball in hand) the lower his rating should be?

    Keep in mind the ratings here on SHARKSworld are subjective ;) . Would love to see some other folks give their own ratings in the comments (including yourself)!

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.10.12 10:37:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 9) : but still Bekker doesn’t deserve a 6, please no

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.10.12 10:40:48 by Ludz Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 9) : i’m not using anything as a “reason” i’m just asking for sanity in the case of a methodology of rating not existing…do YOU think Bekker deserved a SIX?

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.10.12 10:41:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 11) : what would you give him?

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.10.12 10:49:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : he deserved a 8, between him, duane and flo they were immense!

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.10.12 10:54:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 11) : Megatron, your post implies that you’re using time spent with ball-in-hand as your reason for giving Bekker a higher rating or Lambie a lower rating. The point I was trying to make is that too is subjective.

    Personally I’d have given Bekker a rating closer to Etzebeth’s but that’s MY subjective rating. As mentioned earlier I was paying more attention to Vermeulen’s antics.

    There is no scientific methodology for rating players that I’m aware of. We all have our own personal checklists (that include our biases) and it just so happens that yours differs from Robs. If you don’t like his ratings – post your own. As mentioned previously I’d be very interested in them.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.10.12 11:00:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Bekker is better off the pitch than on…he is way overrated in my subjective opinion ;-) . I think Etzebeth is going to be a behemoth in his spot – and Spies is going to have to work very very hard to get his jersey back from Duane, who think I was immense on Saturday. Cant wait until we start knocking the AB’s off their perch :) Go Bokke.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.10.12 11:33:06 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 13) : agreed Ta Megs, 8 would’ve been perfect for Dries, he really made up for that woeful performance against Argentina

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.10.12 11:35:43 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 15) : I suppose Anton Bresler’s the better lock in your subjective opinion

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.10.12 11:38:12 by Ludz Reply

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  • My subjective observation is that I think I’ve started a fad :cool:

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.10.12 11:49:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : hehehe i’m not in the business of posting ratings but will comment on them on this forum :razz:

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.10.12 11:53:55 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 16) : @Megatron (Comment 13) : I would have given Bekker a 7. He did some amazing things but was caught with the ball a time or 2 and could afford to follow Etzebeth into a ruck or 2 and do the dirty work more. Those are the only reasons he doesn’t get an 8 from me.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.10.12 11:58:00 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) : If i saw correctly wasn’t it Hougaard who missed the tackle leaving lambie 3 on 1 he had to cut in to try save that try.

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.10.12 12:19:26 by Dunx Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 8) : I never mentioned anything about ratings or Bekker, I was just stating that it is harse to blame that defensive lapse on Lambie.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.10.12 12:23:38 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : Your thoughts on Goosen and Taute?

    @Dunx (Comment 21) : It was indeed but it would be unfair to place the blame on Hougaard alone. It was a four on two overlap at that point and the Aussies had caught the SA defence napping. The whole team should shoulder the responsibility for that try.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.10.12 12:43:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Whilst it was great to see the Boks win, and we DID play good rugby… Do you not think it was more a case of the Aussies letting us play like that, than of us actually having “turned a corner” as everyone is euphorically suggesting?

    To be fair to the Aussies, they had lost 7 of their first choice players prior to this game (3 of them Captains), and lost another 2 or 3 of their remaining first choicers during the game :shock:

    For a team that has always been weak on depth, they have been decemated by injuries this season.

    I think the Aussies allowed us to throw the ball around almost at will. The number of times we were rucked off our ball was an indication for me as to how loose we were playing. A better team would’ve punished us for that!

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.10.12 13:06:09 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 24) : We’ll have a much clearer idea of how improved we are in less than a week’s time. I doubt we’re favourites heading into the match against the All Blacks.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.10.12 13:12:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I’m also a little confused about the raves over Eltons play?

    From what I could see, he was on the field for 5 minutes at the most, of which half that time we didn’t even have the ball? I didn’t see any special breaks from him, or special kicks, or putting anyone into space?

    So what is it he did in his 3 or 4 touches that made him so brilliant?

    I’ll watch his 5 minutes again tonight to see if I missed something, but I’m a bit confused about the hype at this point?

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.10.12 13:15:32 by CS Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 2) : I agree !! What did Lambie actually do ! In a game where Aus had 14 men for about 20 min I saw him touch the ball once. He needs to go looking for work more instead of joining on to a ruck ,if its secure leave it!!!

    It is so obvious he needs game time desperately !!

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.10.12 13:36:18 by Talent Reply
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  • Some very good performances out there; particularly Flouw. However; was against a crap team ravaged by injury. Let’s see how we measure up this weekend.

    @vanmartin (Comment 14) :
    Well said.

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.10.12 13:51:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 24) : A LOT of the counter-rucking by the Ozzies was them diving to ground over the ball and the ref letting them get away with it. A better ref would have penalised them a lot more!

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.10.12 14:55:27 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 26) : He put Louw through that gap which led to Habana’s third try.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.10.12 16:26:14 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 30) : he just passed the ball down the line, if he deserves praise for that then i don’t know…

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.10.12 16:36:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • At flyhalf, Meyer … you have now tried the rest … but Lambie is the best ! When is Meyer going to remember that Lambie is actually a flyhalf ? Can’t somebody please remind him ? All the hype about Goosen is ridiculous and he is soooo overrated !

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.10.12 19:42:28 by swan Reply

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  • @swan (Comment 32) : Maybe so, but a player can grow into his “overrated’ness” and I for one hope Goosen does.

    All overrated means REALLY, is that people see great potential in someone. Whether he will fulfil that potential only time will tell, but I remember Lambie also being grossly overrated on this site – even before he ever played senior level rugby. Lucky for us he seems to have grown into his “overrated’ness”.

    If Lambie wants to Springbok flyhalf jersey he will have to fight for it and playing at fullback for the second half of the Super Rugby is not fighting for it.

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.10.12 08:10:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 33) : well said!

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.10.12 08:33:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 31) : I agree with you my man, just trying to provide a possible reason to the hype. I mean he caught the ball a bit on the back foot and had a bit of a run. Nothing special.

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.10.12 20:01:29 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 31) : Well, just passing the ball down the line is a skill the Morne Steyn does not seem to have.

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.10.12 21:42:27 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 36) : come on dude, MSteyn can most definitely pas in fact if he is not kicking he is passing but he is often so deep in the pocket that wynand is read a mile off by the opposition & smashed

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.10.12 22:23:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : and most of the time Goosen got the ball on Saturday he was in exactly the same position. Worrying…

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.10.12 22:34:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : i can’t agree outright will have to check for myself…

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.10.12 23:15:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : That was said tongue in cheek. I agree with you regarding Jantjies – did nothing special on Saturday.

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.10.12 23:27:29 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 39) : I would expect nothing less :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.10.12 06:12:21 by robdylan Reply
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