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EOYT Squad? Who Deserves it?


Written by Jean-Jacques Rousseau (JJR)

Posted in :Original Content, Reader Submissions, Springboks on 9 Oct 2012 at 16:35
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Still a couple of weeks away; but I would like to have a look at what I think the squad should look like.

Balance is obviously a very important thing; which includes the talented youngsters being selected. Both Heyneke and JDV have used the excuse “lack of experience” , which I don’t buy at all, since it seems the experienced players seem to be making most of the mistakes.

It is time to expose a group of players that can grow together and help South Africa reach the top once again, and to perform well on a consistent basis. Having players that are 31 years plus old at this stage is not something I’m a fan of, especially if they are horribly off form and there are young stars that could be getting game time, but aren’t purely because of age.

Heyneke needs to take talent, future potential and form into consideration more than he has so far, IMO. Rather now than the Rugby Championship just before the World Cup ;-)

Here are my 30 players for EOYT 2012-

Forwards (Starting lineup in Bold)-

Beast, Marcel Van der Merwe, Steven Kitshoff, Jannie Du Plessis, Trevor Nyakane (if FIT), Adriaan Strauss (C), Chilliboy, Kyle Cooper, Eben Etzebeth, Andries Bekker (VC), Anton Bresler, Juandre Kruger, Francois Louw, Willem Alberts, Duanne Vermuelen, CJ Stander and M. Coetzee.

Backs-

Pienaar, Hougaard, Reinach, Lambie, E.Jantjies, JDV (only if played at 12), T.Whitehead, P.Jordaan, JPP, Habana, Rhule, Kirchner and Taute.

Remember this is the squad I believe should be selected going forward, as well as being able to perform in the short term. It is just my opinion :smile:

Players that I hope get a chance in the coming years are PS Du Toit, Piet Van Zyl and Jan Serfontein.

Who truly believes the excuse “a lack of experience”? Our most experienced side in history couldn’t finish off the opportunities…one thing I do know is that x-factor can. The Springbok backline is way too predictable and has been this way for a long while now (thanks to M.Steyn largely). Having JPP back, a fit and conditioned  F.Steyn; and the use of youngsters such as Reinach, Jordaan and Rhule, I see the Boks scoring way more tries than we have seen the past 5 years.



43 Comments

  • Nyanake? I don’t think so hey… Oke’s out for the season.

    Are you advocating Pienaar at 10 and Lambie at 12?

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.10.12 16:43:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hougie Wing, Lambie 10 and Pienaar 9. One thing Mcfarland needs to work on is to tell his wingers to stay on the wing on defence. They leave so much space out wide. Also having a fast 13 that has the ability to cover more than one attacker would be great. Eg. JPP or Jordaan. Taute…well let me just say his defence at 13 left much to be desired…

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.10.12 16:48:56 by JJR Reply
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  • It is honestly not acceptable that a country with so much world class talent isn’t performing as well as it should on the international stage…we need to start seeing the results. South Africa has by far the best/most talented/physically dominant forwards in the world.

    Our Backs have lacked flair for a long time now…South Africa has some real proper x-factor backline players…it is time we select them, because honestly it seems our coaches go for the very conservative selection when it comes to the backline.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.10.12 16:53:47 by JJR Reply
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  • Marcell Coetzee dropped? What for? And not Strauss as captain. As soon as Bissie is fit he’ll retake his rightful place.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.10.12 16:55:36 by PTAShark Reply

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  • oops forgot Coetzee… Deysel out and Coetzee in. Will edit.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.10.12 16:58:20 by JJR Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 4) : Indeed we need Bissie back. What to do with Burger when he comes back? I think he will be our best option for Captain going forward, and from 8th man i hope. Burger is made for 8, IMO. Spies should not get back into the side, unless we see the old Spies back.

    So many bladdy awesome loose forwards in SA; more than ever, ATM.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.10.12 17:06:02 by JJR Reply
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  • If there is one player deserving of a starting spot, it is Ludik.

    Mr. reliable with a touch of x-factor.

    There ain’t nobody gonna side step Ludik in a one-on-one last line of defense scenario.

    Solid under the high ball. Good enough to either kick it from the back, or run it up and bamboozling the opposition.

    But sadly HM’s ego won’t allow for the best player to be picked, he’ll opt for coaching the last ounce of talent out of the average players. :roll:

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.10.12 17:30:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 7) : Ludik is indeed in a great run of form at the moment.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.10.12 17:46:52 by JJR Reply
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  • I find it hard to ignore Ludik. He has, as others have said, been in great form. He must even be a better option on the wing over Hougaard (based on recent form).

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.10.12 18:10:23 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • Uhm, I think that the author might have selected 5 props of which only 1 in a tighthead.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.10.12 18:20:07 by Loosehead Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 10) : Van Der Merwe covers both sides and has played most of his junior rugby at 3.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.10.12 19:19:01 by JJR Reply
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  • @Here be dragons (Comment 9) : Can’t really pick everyone on form; even Lionel Mapoe is on form at the moment; but is he truly gonna play that well week in a week out at superugby or international level…no chance.

    Don’t get me wrong Ludik is good; but i’m still not convinced his running from the back is that good; i feel at international level it will be easy to stop his attacking play. Ludik probably deserves to be involved in the Bok squad; but if he’s not going to start, i don’t think he is needed in the squad IMO, not really versatile, and with so many great wingers at the moment i won’t see him ever being able to get the nod over anyone there; unless they playing in horrible weather and pitch conditions.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.10.12 19:29:22 by JJR Reply
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  • Yes we have so many great wingers but yet bok coach keeps on playing a scrumy on the wing.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.10.12 20:14:38 by JD Reply
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  • I’ll agree that picking ‘on form’ isn’t always the best way to do things, but Ludik must certainly be more worthy of a chance than Kirchner. Taute seems to be seen at a centre, so a long term fullback that isn’t Lambie must be developed.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.10.12 21:05:28 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • @Loosehead (Comment 10) : this is what happens when backline players try to select teams :)

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.10.12 06:09:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Trevor Nyakane?

    Kyle Cooper has been on the Sharks bench 3 times this season. Now he’s a Springbok?

    Anton Bresler has done a decent job but Flip vd Merwe’s hardly warrants him being dropped. Bresler isn’t a 4 lock, and not a great line-out lock at 5 either. Just need to realize the guys not as good as Sharks supporters make out…

    Reinach also has only 4 CC starts under his belt and you’re talking of making him a Springbok… I mean come on.

    And then you’ve got Rob himself, leader of the ‘one-eyed Sharks club’, admitting that Paul Jordaan hasn’t quite ensured his place in the Sharks starting-XV, yet you’re ready to make him a Springbok…

    Give me something like this and I’d be happy…

    1 Beast Mtawarira
    2 Adriaan Strauss
    3 Jannie du Plessis
    4 Eben Etzebeth
    5 Andries Bekker
    6 Francois Louw
    7 Willem Alberts
    8 Duane Vermeulen
    9 Ruan Pienaar
    10 Elton Jantjies
    11 Bryan Habana
    12 Jean de Villiers (c)
    13 Jaco Taute
    14 JP Pietersen
    15 Zane Kirchner

    16 Chiliboy Ralepelle
    17 Pat Cilliers – Coenie needs to sort out the scrummaging.
    18 Flip van der Merwe
    19 Marcell Coetzee
    20 Francois Hougaard
    21 Patrick Lambie
    22 Juan de Jongh

    23 Craig Burden – Over Tiaan Liebenberg please.
    24 Coenie Oosthuizen
    25 Juandré Kruger
    26 Arno Botha – Would’ve been Stander if he wasn’t leaving.

    27 Jano Vermaak
    28 Francois Venter – Would’ve taken Butch James if he hadn’t retired from international rugby.
    29 Bjorn Basson
    30 Raymond Rhule

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.10.12 06:21:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : yoh….a hendrikp PAKSLAE! :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.10.12 06:40:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : you know, I can’t really argue with that selection all that much, bar the inclusion of one or two Bulls youngsters that isn’t warranted.

    Glad to see you’ve finally come around to my way of thinking re Coenie… no need to thank me, or apologise :)

    Just to stand up for JJ a bit, though… I would take Reinach over Vermaak 10 times out of 10

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.10.12 06:48:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) :

    I’ve seen hardly any of Reinach… but his lack of starts is a worry. Especially as playing 9 for the Boks means running the show… Is he capable at this stage? I think Jano’s experience, as well as being part of the Bok squad for a while now gives him the edge.

    Yeah well Coenie really let me down on the weekend. His scrummaging was atrocious and then that penalty he conceded where he sealed off the oppositions ball was pathetic. Could’ve gotten a yellow for that IMO. I still think he’s very talented, but needs to wake up. I just hope he gets himself sorted because he’s the type of player we need at their best to push us ahead of the AB’s.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.10.12 06:59:06 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 19) : Coenie’s problem has nothing to do with a lack of talent and everything to do with his attitude.

    Is it normal for a 22-year-old to have a reputation as a serial bar fighter?

    Another thing that worries me about the oke… have you ever seen him smile? He seems to wander around with this perpetual annoyed frown on his face. Something not right in the guy’s head if you ask me

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.10.12 07:04:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 19) : look, I think it’s ok to take a gamble on a few youngsters on the EOYT… Reinach has certainly looked the part in the games he has started and has twice “run the show” very successfully in conditions not dissimilar to what you’ll find in the UK in November. I’d certainly back his inclusion ahead of the likes of a Francois Venter who, to my mind, has had plenty of opportunities, yet has done very little with them.

    I think if it’s ok to take Rhule, who is still under 20 and very rough around the edges, then it’s also ok to take Reinach. Reinach has just as much “meaningful” Bok experience as Vermaak does, BTW :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.10.12 07:07:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) :

    Good point.

    Attitude, and well, he doesn’t look too clever either.

    I’d keep him around, give him an opportunity… but heck he needs to show something soon, or else we’ll have to start looking towards someone like Steven Kitshoff.

    Just wish Heinke van der Merwe never left. Can’t underestimate what a good scrum means.

    Bring back him, Gurthrö Steenkamp, Quinn Roux (who is supposedly returning :grin: ), Gerhard Mostert, Francois Louw, CJ Stander, Ruan Pienaar, Fourie du Preez & Jaque Fourie – and we’d already be looking a lot better across the board for Super Rugby.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.10.12 07:10:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) :

    Fair call… I won’t be up in arms if the guy does get selected, but yes, I’d prefer he established himself as the Sharks nr. 1 scrumhalf and also played some SR first.

    On the other hand, we desperately need to find some depth at scrumhalf.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.10.12 07:11:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) : don’t get me wrong… my preference is ALWAYS for Super Rugby first, then Boks… reality is, though, that a few good performances in a weak Currie Cup are always going to lead to call for X to be made a Bok on the EOYT. It happens every year.

    Rhule is a case in point. If the kid is that good, where was he when the Cheetahs were struggling in Super Rugby this year?

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.10.12 07:17:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) : re depth at scrumhalf – couldn’t agree more. Piet van Zyl is the guy who would probably come into the reckoning now – ahead of Reinach even – if it weren’t for the injury.

    I’m still intrigued by your inclusion of Venter, by the way… can you explain it a bit more? What has he done to get selected ahead of others competing for that position? If you’re going to take a flyer on a guy, why not skip Venter and take the infinitely more talented Serfontein? Or reward the guy who’s actually been consistently good all year, Tim Whitehead?

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.10.12 07:20:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    I rate Venter… difficult in a pretty bad Bulls team, but for me the 3rd best 12 in SA right now.

    Frans Steyn being miles ahead, and JdV second best.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.10.12 07:39:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • And we blame Heinke for having blue tinted glasses …

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.10.12 07:40:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 27) : what? Only 11 Sharks out of 30… :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.10.12 07:55:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) :

    Interesting that you selected Jantjies to start at 10. I thought you were not that impressed by him.

    What changed your mind?

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.10.12 08:06:58 by 13 Reply

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  • a) I’m over selecting a side I would want to see because Meyer will never swallow his pride or change his approach.
    b)We have enough competent players to put together 2 or 3 teams that could deal with overseas nations-but I have a feeling our best players will play to remedy Meyers winning percent.
    c)More than anything I want this eoyt to be a time where we adapt our game plan!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.10.12 08:18:08 by Talent Reply
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  • @13 (Comment 29) :

    I wasn’t… but I’ve been impressed lately.

    In other words, I’m starting to think I got it wrong :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.10.12 08:20:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    ;-) hehe . Well he did include Taute and Elton . So i wont complain t much :P

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.10.12 08:23:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I’d like to see what Mapoe can bring at 13 at international level, he’s been in amazing form during the CC, he can’t be worse than Taute last Saturday.

    And please, no Bekker….he’s the Morné Morkel of Springbok rugby, for every good game he plays, he plays 2 rubbish games. Inconsistent!

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.10.12 08:56:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I haven’t really thought that much about it yet but I really hope Lambie gets a go. He is wasted on the bench. He is a better flyhalf than both Morne and Elton but not quite as dynamic as Goosen. He is also the best fullback in the team and it is a crying shame that he is sitting on the bench behind average Sideshow Bob. He is being under utiliised and it is a disservice to his talent.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.10.12 09:39:35 by lostfish Reply
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  • @13 (Comment 29) : He also picked Kirchner at 15 :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.10.12 09:41:08 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 35) :

    As opposed to??

    I’ve said it before… Jaco Taute, to me, is best suited to the 13 jersey. No point mucking him around the back then.

    Nobody has a clue what the plan is with Patrick Lambie… and if he’s going to be playing 10 for the Sharks then no point mucking him around at 15 either. Besides that, I’m a tad worried about his attacking game in the 15 jersey as well.

    Joe Pietersen? Heck no. Hennie Daniller? Solid but no. Andries Coetzee? Willie le Roux?

    We haven’t really got many options at the back, do we…

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.10.12 10:15:10 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I really enjoyed this thread. Good rugby conversation.

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.10.12 10:16:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 36) : Picking Kirchner to start and leaving Lambie on the bench. Lambie is a better fullback than Kirchner and that isn’t even his best position.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.10.12 10:18:46 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 35) :

    Think Kirchner gets unfairly criticised sometimes. Yes he is not the most dynamic fullback around, but he has been far from the worst performing Springbok on display during the Rugby Championship.

    Another thing, aren’t the new law variations coming into effect during the EOYT? They could make selections quite interesting.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.10.12 10:19:25 by 13 Reply

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  • @13 (Comment 39) : He isn’t the worst but he isn’t in the top 5 either

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.10.12 10:20:26 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 40) :

    Don’t get me wrong, if I were to select a side I would not start Kirchner, I just feel he gets unfairly criticised sometimes.

    I would put Taute at fullback, with Jantjies and Lambie as my flyhalf options. If Willie le Roux could just sort out his defence he could be another option at the back.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.10.12 10:38:19 by 13 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Marcel plays 3 too…and we currently using Coenie as backup 3…surely Short Kitshoff or Nyakane could be taught to cover there as a 3rd choice option if needed…they can’t scrum worse than Coenie. Nyakane has the weight; Kitshoff technique…IMO.

    I played a couple of games at flank in XV’s and played hooker in Sevens once or twice :lol:

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.10.12 12:26:04 by JJR Reply
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  • Remember that staring lineup i put in Bold is just for the main/big games in the short term, i would love to have Jordaan and Rhule start from the get go; but maybe they should not be rushed straight in; but first do the job as impact players off the bench…which i think they will be awesome at…so much speed, strength, talent and agility between those 2.

    Taute…missed two tackles that lead to 2 tries on the weekend and didn’t kick out from the 22 which also lead to an all black try…Taute is not someone you want alone at the back as your first choice xv…only reason i even put him in the squad is his versatility.

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