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15 Reasons why “Average” should not be good enough for the Bok 15 Jersey


Written by Maria Delport (Letgo)

Posted in :Bulls, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 10 Oct 2012 at 14:41

1.       Jaco Taute

2.       Patrick Lambie

3.       Louis Ludik

4.       Willie le Roux

5.       Andries Coetzee

6.       Jurgen Visser

7.       Lionel Mapoe

8.       Ryamond Rhule

9.       Paul Jordaan

10.   Tim Whitehead

11.   Robert Ebersohn

12.   JJ Engelbrecht

13.   Jan Serfontein

14.   Francois Venter

15.   Marcell Brache

They’re not all fullbacks sitting on the bench every Saturday piling up rust… (or splinters for that matter) They’re not even all fullbacks, but in some way or another Zane Kirchner is getting in the way of their potential.

I think we can all agree that South Africa has plenty of young talented players at the moment. Whether you agree on the list I mentioned is another thing, but you must admit that a few of those names stand out as definite talents who could shine on the international stage.

Although Zane Kirchner has been competent at fullback whenever he has been asked to play for the Boks, he has not been any more than competent and is still lacking in most areas of his game. He is safe under the high ball and clears well from the back, but aside from that …

Most other aspects of his game are indeed lacking. He has been unwilling to run the ball back at the defence and has not shown the ability to counter attack. His defence, tackling and defensive positioning are lacking and his decision making, particularly with ball in hand as part of the back line, is below standard when compared to other international players and young players in South Africa.

I don’t think that these shortcomings are things that a player will be able to improve on markedly at 28 years of age.  And in fact, aside from the defending aspect, I do not think that these are skills you simply coach into a player.

How do 6 fullbacks and 9 Centres have anything to do with Zane Kirchner though? Here’s how -

Louis Ludik, Andries Coetzee and Willie le Roux have all shown the type of form that indicates that they could be better options at 15 than Kirchner and it may be premature, but even Jurgen Visser looks like he has something special, who if given an opportunity could prove his worth. Taute and Lambie it seems have been earmarked for different positions in the Bok setup, but both these players, it has to be said, will gain more from exposure to game time at 15, than they would being left out in the cold.

That’s 6 young players that could be given an opportunity, one of them has to be better or have the potential to be a better option than the 28 year old competent but never excellent Zane Kirchner?

Excluding Ludik who is only 26, you have 5 young players (21.8 average age) who could potentially (given the opportunity) make a great fullback, include Lambie (who the Bok coaches have said they see only as a 15… or is that a bench warmer?).

Frans Steyn, who although I am a big fan of at 12, could also still add value at 15 (making that 7 better options at 15) and open up space for Jean de Villiers at 12 (his best position). Playing Jean in his best position will in turn open up the 13 jersey for many talented outside centres which includes Jaco Taute, Lionel Mapoe, Paul Jordaan, Tim Whitehead, JJ Engelbrecht, Robert Ebersohn, Ryamond Rhule (this adds up 12 young players not getting opportunities, because of Zane’s continued selection).

And if you don’t use Jean de Villiers at 12 in Steyn’s place, then young players like Tim Whitehead, Francois Venter, Marcel Brache … even Jan Serfontein can be given a chance at 12.

Making that 15 reasons. Now you may not agree on all of them, but take your pick, because I doubt that anyone can disagree on all 15.

Selecting a player of limited talent just because he has been “safe” is keeping so many players away from the Bok Jersey. In fact I just named 15 players who is more suited to the Bok jersey and who could become great players if given a chance. And all we need to do is leave “Average” at home.

This applies to every position! – Next Week 15 Reasons not to play an out of form scrumhalf at wing! (:



47 Comments

  • There’s also the Tuks fullback who has played for the Bulls this year… Clayton Blommetjies I think who has shown something and could be better than only Sideshow Bob.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.10.12 14:46:41 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Loved this post!

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.10.12 14:54:30 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • how about my primary school 1st team no 15? Surely you can add him to the list as well?

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.10.12 14:54:44 by Uli Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 1) : Yip, the point is competent should never be an acceptable criteria for the selection of any Bok player, only exceptional!

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.10.12 14:54:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • Wow…You should be a lawyer or negotiator or something for putting this together and arguably pulling the agrument off.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.10.12 15:05:02 by Viking Reply
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  • If you have to stick someone else at 15 then it has to be Taute. Zane is not as bad as he is made out to be its just that he is boring but punting scrumhalves, centres and kids who wore 15 at some point in school is pushing it a wee bit.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.10.12 15:12:53 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 4) : Of course, Zane is barely competent at Super Rugby level, on the International Stage is woefully out of his depth.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.10.12 15:29:18 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 5) :

    How exactly did she ‘pull the argument off’ :roll:

    It’s an opinion piece. One that will go down well on Sharksworld no doubt. :???:

    As Clayton says, Zane is not as bad as people make him to be.

    He does the basics well and Heyneke clearly wants someone who is solid under the high ball, a good distance kicker from the back and good on defence.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.10.12 15:30:23 by wpw Reply
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  • Mmm, also not a big Zane fan, but this is pushing the envelope of logical reasoning a bit :shock:

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.10.12 15:32:26 by Bokhoring Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 8) : You just bitter that players like Gio Aplon and Joe Pietersen from your neck of the woods weren’t in the list ;-) :mrgreen:

    It’s an opinion piece.

    Zane’s perceived ineptitude at international level is also exacerbated by the fact that we know that there are so many other players who are capable of so much more not being selected.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.10.12 15:34:02 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • Letgo..

    The yardstick for Springbok selection has to be Super Rugby, right?

    Have you had a look at the stats for Zane? Compared to other South African fullbacks?

    Just a few places where he stands out:

    He scored 6 tries.. more than any other South African fullback..

    He is tied FIRST for try assists in the entire competition, more than All Black fullback Israel Dagg..

    He is the best South African fullback in terms of line-break assists (meaning he set up a linebreak for another player)

    In terms of defence, he is nowhere to be seen on missed tackles lists..

    So yes, he might not be spectacular, but neither was Percy and any of the fullbacks before him..

    The point I am trying to make… Zane plays to the plan, and is the best suited and the ONLY player who has a proven track record.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.10.12 15:34:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 10) :

    How exactly do we KNOW that they are better, when most of the players on the top of that list (Ludik, Lambie and le Roux) did not even play at fullback for large parts of the Super Rugby season?!

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.10.12 15:36:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 8) : He isn’t that bad but he isn’t good enough to play for the Boks.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.10.12 15:37:17 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 10) :

    Dude, seriously… I don’t rate Joe Pietersen as a potential Bok.

    It doesnt mean that because I support the Stormers I need to be biased.

    I also prefer Aplon on the wing for the Boks or as an impact player at 15, but not as a starter.

    My preferances: Frans Steyn, Taute/Ludik or Kirchner. :twisted:

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.10.12 15:37:55 by wpw Reply
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  • I see the members of the fight club is back…. :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.10.12 15:39:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 7) :

    I think you should look at his stats before making a fool of yourself and stating that he is incompetent at SR level.

    According to what he did during SR, and you say he is incompetent, then so are all the others mentioned in this article, including the darling Lambie and Ludik..

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.10.12 15:41:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) :

    AMEN!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.10.12 15:42:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : Was just pulling your leg that’s what the smileys were for ;-)

    My preferences are actually Taute or Ludick.

    Zane is solid but doesn’t offer anything more than being good under the high ball and a solid boot. Maybe it is just my preference for a game plan that is a little more than just pump the ball as high as possible and hoping you get the ball back.

    If you want to play like that Zane has shown he is the fullback for that. But as soon as you want a fullback to run the ball back Zane slips back as he doesn’t like to do that and would rather just put boot to ball.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.10.12 15:44:26 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 18) :

    I noticed the smileys dude. ;-)

    I just think Zane is being unfairly targeted cos he sure as hell ain’t as bad as people think.

    I also don’t think having someone like Ludik or Taute would transform us into an attacking side. The problem lies at 10 and more importantly, with the way Heyneke wants his team to play.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.10.12 15:50:05 by wpw Reply
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  • Yikes, more inaccuracies in this article than I have the time to respond to. Sorry but making a logical argument based on inaccurate assumptions just does not work.

    Examples, Zane is weak on defense, simply wrong, he is solid under the high ball and defends well, it is his counter attacking and play with ball in hand that is his weakness. Next Lambie has been slated for another position, again wrong, Meyer clearly sees Lambie only as a fullback. Everyone and their uncle has jumped over him for the 10, 12 or 13 jersey, so clearly Meyer only sees him as a 15. (not saying he is right, but the assumption in your article is simply inaccurate). There are more, but not enough time.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.10.12 15:53:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : Hells no. A change in fullback is not going to change the whole team. That starts with HM, his assistant coaches and especially the attacking coach.

    Unfortunately they’re all Bulls coaches or were indoctrinated with that kick-and-chase game plan.

    Think HM really missed the boat with picking his assistants. Should have reached out and got the expertise of all the SR franchises.

    Nienaber – defense
    Hawies Fourie – Backs
    Matt Proudfoot/Johan Ackermann – Forwards
    Etc.

    I also don’t think the attack coach should be the the forwards coach as it is currently. Attack also feels as though it should come from the back line and so the back line coach should be the one who handles that.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.10.12 15:59:18 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : Spot on Wes, although we could do better than Zane at 15, that is certainly not the core of the problem, and you are right, he is nowhere near as bad as made out in this article, in fact his defense and under the high ball is excellent.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.10.12 16:00:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Great article couldn’t agree more. As I said before I cannot watch a team that has Zane a fullback. Only in SA do you play the 16th best player in a position

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.10.12 16:27:13 by snakeslayer Reply

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  • sheesh – I am not a fan of Kirchner but would be hard pressed to predict that any of the players mentione would do much better in the current bok team, with the current bok plan and against the opposition they played.

    As much as I would like to see Lambie being given more game time, he has not produced any wonders when he came on. He had quiet games.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.10.12 16:37:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) : HAHAHAHAHAHAHA nobody touching Rich Ferg’s posts on this article :lol:

    lambie is 3rd or 4th inline at FLYHALF in meyer’s eyes now a CASE – “you should be a lawyer” – should be manufactured for him to start at Fullback, so blindly attack Zane :mrgreen: :lol:

    typical Sharksworld tendencies hehehe

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.10.12 16:43:07 by Megatron Reply

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  • Yes main problem with bokke is flyhalf (first played out of form FH and then a walking injury at FH) and mindset (we try to run over players – NZ players run into gaps). If we can’t run over a team there is no plan B only plan A plan A plan A …………..

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.10.12 22:56:35 by JD Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) :

    He is tied FIRST for try assists in the entire competition, more than All Black fullback Israel Dagg..

    So would this point argue that Zane is better than Dagg?

    Stats, at most, can show you a players work rate. Yes, maybe if a player has the most line breaks and line break assists, you could look at him as a more attacking player.

    But stats don’t show a complete picture, as you don’t know what that player did to get that stat behind his name. Was it due to his excellent play or was it due to him forming part of a team move?

    Anyway… I never said Zane is not a good player. He is a good player, but imo not good enough, especially at 28, to be a Bok player.

    And I don’t think this post indicates that I feel any of the 15 mentioned players definitely WILL be better than Zane (in fact, because he hardly ever make the type of blunders that has one jumping up and yelling at the TV, these players will have to be competent first before they try to much), but I still feel at and average of of 22, these players have more potential than Zane does.

    Yes, naming 15 players might have been excessive, but the point is these guys are all young players who shows great potential and making room in the Bok team, especially at the expense of players who is merely safe and good (and others who are being played out of position or has been out of form), must be the best thing to do for the Bok squad.

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.10.12 08:53:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : We don’t KNOW that they are better. You can’t KNOW until they are given an opportunity to prove that they are.

    How did we KNOW Marcell Coetzee is ready for Bok rugby though? As well as, Etzebeth, Jaundre Kruger?

    How do we KNOW Lambie and Goosen, Jantjies are better than Steyn? We don’t really do we.

    We asses their play and their style of play and based on our “Semi-professional” ;-) (I’d like to think all fans are) rugby opinion, we decide which players are the best.

    You have to go back and check who was selected in weekly team of the week teams (not this site, you might find a “little” bias here), and see which South African players was selected the most.

    Based on those opinions, Zane (although he had his shining moments) weren’t necessaries the best player.

    This is how we decide which players are the best.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.10.12 09:02:47 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 27) : I think we actually just need to settle down a little on this one and try to work out what we’re really hoping to achieve.

    We can’t in one breath proclaim Pat Lambie as the best flyhalf in the country, while also making arguments for him to start at fullback ahead of Kirchner? Surely it’s time to make up our own minds about where we see him playing?

    Ruan Pienaar is right. Lambie needs to settle at flyhalf and let’s put a stop to the calls for him to play fullback – and even worse, the petty “victimisation” of Kirchner (of which I am admittedly also guilty) – and rather build Lambie up in the position he’s chosen.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.10.12 09:03:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) : @wpw (Comment 8) :

    I don’t think that I said Zane is a bad player even once (I understand that you might be replying to other bloggers, but just to make it clear).

    And just to make it clear, if there was no other option at 15, as was the case for the past few years, then I’d understand, but I feel there are plenty of other players who has shown that they are just as safe as Zane, but also has something special that Zane does not.

    It always annoys me when a player starts just because he was the guy selected their before and he hasn’t done anything wrong yet.

    That’s crap, this is International rugby, you have to choose the best.

    Can either of you honestly say that you thing Zane is the best fullback option in South Africa?

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.10.12 09:07:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : This is not about Lambie, I only mentioned him because Meyer seems to think this is his best position (although as I tried to elude in my post, the coaches have him earmarked for a different position – bench warmer) and I still think he’s one of the better options than Zane.

    I’d rather have him at 10, but if you’re going to call him a 15, then play him at 15. Why he is a young player (like the 14 others I mentioned) that has loads of potential that needs to be tested!

    And it can’t be victimisation of Zane when I stated both his good and his bad points, can it? Sure I’m a little though on him (I could’ve added that he did nothing wrong – per say), but doesn’t that come with the territory.

    It’s not like Zane is the only one, but Morne has already been dropped and I did try to indicate that this should be a general rule for all Bok players.

    Jean at 13, Hougaard out of position just because he’s not good enough in his own, Habana for the past few years (although he seems to finally be regaining some of his form), Pier Spies, just because he was a monster when he first came onto the scene.

    While I believe players should be given time to prove their form, if you give them to much, another player with potential aren’t getting the opportunity to show if that potential can become something great!

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.10.12 09:17:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) :

    But I don’t on the Lambie thing, since I said Taute and Lambie it seems are earmarked for different positions – not 10, 12 or 13. Maybe I didn’t make it clear enough, but I meant Taute centres and Lambie bench. It was meant to be a little sarcasm.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.10.12 09:21:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 32) : sarcasm is not really a writing tool that we should strive to use more of :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.10.12 09:23:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 32) :

    I admit that I might have jumped the gun with the defence thing, so my opinion of that might be wrong. I made my assumption of his tackling based on a couple of tackles during the past few games and I also thought his defensive positioning and decision making was of, but that’s just my opinion (based on the RC).

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.10.12 09:28:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 30) :

    It doesnt really matter what WE think does it? ;-)

    Like I said I prefer Frans Steyn at 15 and I think Ludik has been playing exceptionally well of late but based on SR form Zane was the most consistent fullback.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.10.12 09:40:38 by wpw Reply
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  • I think we should move on.

    for the record, it really DOES matter what I think… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.10.12 09:41:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nice article, but what about the pack or our wingers that are holding back great players as well. Would be a nice comparision

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.10.12 10:14:16 by Dunx Reply

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  • Hmmm.

    A couple of things, don’t know quite where to start.

    Perhaps I will start off with potential vs. current measurable’s.

    Taute is potentially a great talent, as is Serfontein, Visser, Pollard, Rhule, Le Roux and a host of youngsters currently in the South African rugby system.

    It’s right to be excited about their potential, a lot of these youngsters won us the Junior RWC earlier this year! Some of them excited in this year’s Currie Cup even!

    But there is something fundamental in rugby which people seem to forget.

    You are elevated to higher levels in rugby if you are good enough to play there right now, not on the fact that you might be a year or two from now.

    This happens to players that move up from Vodacom Cup level to Currie Cup level, Currie Cup to Super Rugby, and most definitely Super Rugby to test level.

    How is this elevation achieved? Well obviously outstanding form in the lower level for a continued time (consistency) and the fact that the position at the higher level is available through a player in poor form or of course, injury.

    Secondly; How can we (specifically supporters) judge form fairly?

    First and most obvious, SA supporters are hugely provincialistic, so I guess a player from your team compared to any other on a similar level will be 10% better no matter how anyone else looks at it.

    But taking subjective opinion out of the equation the only real way to judge a player’s form is to look at how he performs, and the most objective way to do that not being part of the team itself, is through statistical data relevant to the position and in comparison to other players playing at the same level.

    Thirdly (and lastly), it is important to judge a player in the team context he plays in.

    As an example, supporters are often romanticised by ‘beautiful running rugby’ so backline players playing for a franchise like the Cheetahs, or Lions, will often show great potential with ball in hand (specifically outside backs) because the team environment, and team context (game plan or approach) will allow them 15 opportunities with ball in hand in a match where the more balanced approach from the Sharks, Bulls or Stormers will see their outside backs only get 3 chances.

    Whether or not they make those 3 chances work or not is irrelevant, because they are being compared to a guy that made 9 work (but often forget they failed in 6 attempts).

    Of course, you also only get to judge the one part of his game effectively and often forget that there is much more to that position at higher levels of the game where attacks and defenses are much more organised, the game’s pace is much higher, intensity much stronger, and time very, very limited.

    Given this, the names mentioned in the article and their ‘current’ levels they play in (and shine), the position they play in (and perform consistently or not – I say not because one brilliant game often sees players written into a Bok team), and the statistics Richard kindly posted above, I see no argument of any real substance made for the sacking of Zane Kirchner ahead of ANY, yes, any, other fullback in SA.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.10.12 10:15:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 38) : I respect your opinion and the way in which you argued it.

    I still disagree though ;-)

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  • @Morné (Comment 38) :

    By the way – Players don’t always get selected based only on performance. Sometimes you need to back potential.

    For me Zane is also a bit of a liability in our attack, where great attacking possession often gets wasted when it goes to his hands. This to me is a good enough reason to play Jaco Taute at 15 for the EOYT to see if his CC and SR form can be transferred to international form.

    … and I don’t think provincialism has a 10% effect, I would say a 1% effect, to tip the scales on players that’s evenly talented.

    Like Lambie and Jantjies.

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  • @Morné (Comment 38) :

    Btw

    Thanks for giving me a lesson in making a constructive argument though. I would say just based on the way you did it, excluding emotion and gimmicks in making your point – you may just have won this argument.

    I will try to incorporate your method when I decide to make an argument like this again.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.10.12 11:13:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 41) :

    Haha, never about winning an argument, it is about sharing opinion and debate ma’am!

    I came across a website for the Rugby Championship a couple of weeks ago and what I liked about it was that they go in depth into kicking, counter attacks and stuff like that. In all honesty, Zane was not that bad.

    I also think we underestimate his attacking edge because of the game plan he is forced to play at test level.

    Just today I read how in the Soccer City test when the Boks received a penalty, only trailing by 10 points with 20min to go, Jean wanted to go for posts. Meyer through his walkie-talkie gave specific instructions that they must go for the line…

    Zane is clearly a team player (plays how the coach wants him to play) which means three things to me.

    a) As long as he continues to follow the coach’s VERY specific instructions he will be seen as a team man, not a rogue individual which counts in his favour in keeping his spot.

    b) Any player challenging Zane showing any form of individualism that goes outside team dynamic and the coach’s will is not going to get much time at this level.

    c) Any talented youngster we identify now will have to play under the same constraints Zane has to, so if they look great now in CC or even SR level, they won’t at test level.

    For the record, I have never been a big fan of Zane, you might recall me trying to convince Rob (and I still do) that Lambie’s SA rugby future is at 15 imo.

    All that said, Zane has the jersey now, and hopefully we will see youngsters challenging him for it very soon at test level but I do not agree that he deserves to be dropped as things stand right now.

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.10.12 11:50:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 42) :

    You’re right about the constraints of the team you play with.

    It’s hard to take that into account though. I haven’t see Zane play much attacking rugby for a VERY long time, because this is the type of teams he’s been playing with.

    You have to consider though, that if a player aren’t being allowed to play a certain style with his union that at some point, that style will diminish from his arsenal of tricks?

    I don’t think Zane is the only player who lacks excellence though. And he should not be the only one we look at when looking at the selection of the EOYT team.

    Maybe this post should have been written more as the general idea, that players who is not excelling in their positions should be sifted out one by one to make room for new talent.

    Poor Zane was made an example of, but really it’s the general idea of players getting “free rides” because coaches are to afraid to veer from the tried and tested.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.10.12 12:07:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 43) :

    Positions that must be challenged in Bok squad:

    3 (we have zero depth there, Coenie is not a tighthead)
    5 (Bekker still not living up to hype, needs a kick in ass)
    7 (Juan Smith left a void bigger than we thought)
    8 (Duane might be the answer, but I am not 100% convinced)
    9 (Ruan is a safe, but slightly average option imo)
    10 (nuff said)
    11 (Hougie has been in bad form at 9 this year, and is even worse as a wing)
    15 (Zane like Pienaar, safe option)

    We are pretty sorted at loosehead, hooker, 4-lock, Frans and JDV will be there in 2013 no doubt, Habs has his spot sorted. Flo has shown his worth in 6.

    We need guys either already there, or youngsters, to put their hands up on those other positions.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.10.12 12:15:16 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) : Completely agree.

    So then we’ll wait and see how

    3 Marcel van der Merwe, Pat Cilliers …
    5 Jundre Kruger (good current contender), Bresler …
    7 Marcell, Kolisi, Arno Botha, Alberts (still to one dimensional and inconsistant) …
    8. Kanko, Daune
    9. Reinach, Piet van Zyl
    10. Goosen, Jantjies, Lambie …
    11. Rhule, Mvovo, Basson (JPP must take this spot anyway)
    15. Taute, Coetzee, Le Roux, Ludik …

    performs in next years Super Rugby, or should some of these guys be rewarded at the EOYT?

    Even if just for 20 min here or there?

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.10.12 12:22:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) :

    I think Heyneke ‘blooded’ enough youngsters in the tests so far this year. He could use some of those same player on EOYT and give them a run in a controlled, calculated environment.

    Would like to see Taute running at 15. If 10 is where Lambie wants to go, let’s see how he goes the next 3 games and use him and Jantjies for EOYT

    Kanko should be available for EOYT.

    Between Marcell, Kolisi (was in Meyers plans) and Alberts one should stake a claim for 7 jersey.

    Jano could be due a run at 9 but this has been Ruan’s stomping ground in recent years too.

    JPP will be back, I’d use Habs sparingly as he has had a big, budy year, give Mvovo and Basson extended runs with JP.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.10.12 12:28:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 45) :

    But I would also like to see Heyneke show his hand and give us an idea who his long term captain will be.

    JDV needs a break, in Mapoe, JJ, Serfontein, Jordaan we have some good options to fill the 13 jersey.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.10.12 12:30:30 by Morné Reply
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