Richard Ferguson

EOYT – Ireland vs South Africa


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 10 Nov 2012 at 15:00
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Ireland host the Springboks in the opening match of the End of Year international window, the Irish playing in their new alternate kit for the first time, while Heyneke Meyer’s Springboks look to restore some faith from the supporters.

The Irish team are battling with injuries, with two British and Irish Lions captains and two Irish Players of the Year ruled out, with a rookie captain in Jamie Haelsip and a debut for the South African born Richardt Strauss, who will face his cousin, Adriaan Strauss. Despite this, the Irish have been talking their chances of winning this match, and will be hoping to keep the poor performing South African at bay.

For the Springboks, this game is all-important as they try new combinations and players, with Pat Lambie getting his shot to prove his worth in the flyhalf jersey, while Francois Hougaard and Jaco Taute will look for improved performances out of their natural position in a hope to get more game time. On the bench there is a return to national duty for Schalk Brits, who has been touted as an impact player by Meyer, and he will look to get a solid 20 minutes worth of action.

A tough encounter await the teams, on paper the Springboks have a far superior team, but playing in Ireland against a team in the middle of their season and not at the end of it as the South Africans are, this game is by no means in the bag.

Ireland: 15 Simon Zebo, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Keith Earls, 12 Gordon D’Arcy, 11 Andrew Trimble, 10 Jonathan Sexton, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jamie Heaslip (captain), 7 Chris Henry, 6 Peter O’Mahony, 5 Mike McCarthy, 4 Donnacha Ryan, 3 Mike Ross, 2 Richardt Strauss, 1 Cian Healy.

Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 David Kilcoyne, 18 Michael Bent, 19 Donncha O’Callaghan, 20 Iain Henderson, 21 Eoin Reddan, 22 Ronan O’Gara, 23 Fergus McFadden

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 François Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 CJ van der Linde.

Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Heinke van der Merwe , 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Morné Steyn, 22 Juan de Jongh, 23 Lwazi Mvovo.

Date: Saturday, 10 November 2012
Kick-off: 17.30 (17.30 GMT)
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Expected weather: Partly cloudy with a high of 9°C, dropping to 2°C.
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant referees: Steve Walsh (Australia), Luke Pierce (England)
TMO: Giulio De Santis (Italy)



121 Comments

  • Beast has been withdrawn.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.11.12 15:11:53 by Bite me Reply
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  • Beast out with heart palpitations.
    This is not the first time that he has had something like this, I think.

    The useless CJ to start on Heinke Van Der Merwe on the bench.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.11.12 15:43:12 by Loosehead Reply
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  • Go Boks! Go Lambie! I hope lambie has a cracker of a game!

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.11.12 15:50:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Sad to see Beast is out already but he probably needed the break in anycase.

    Timmy Bowe –> got respect for that man! SA are going to have to watch him carefully when/if the ball gets spun out wide.

    Will be interesting to see the return of JP Pietersen and then of course the selection that has kept me going all through this difficult weak –> Lambie at flyhalf. I hope he has a classy game.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.11.12 16:18:01 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • What is RSA kick off time?

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.11.12 16:21:35 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 5) : 19h30

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.11.12 16:23:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • THanks boerie

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.11.12 16:26:53 by catfish Reply
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  • Hope Beast is ok. With CJ there boks will not have their way at scrums. Bokke should still win.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.11.12 16:53:38 by JD Reply
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  • JC Janse van Rensburg might be called up as a replacement for Beast.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.11.12 17:41:37 by wpw Reply
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  • Was the Argies first try not a thing of beauty……….something the HM bold with DV and WA could not do………… Argies learns a lot from there first SH season.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.11.12 18:00:59 by Bayshark Reply

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  • @Bayshark (Comment 10) : A fine win for us;-)

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.11.12 18:35:18 by Argex Reply

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  • Good thing Ruan Pienaar is playing today, he played a couple of games under the new rule, the 5 second rule, in the Northern hemisphere.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.11.12 19:12:08 by Mutley Reply
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  • Go bokke. Give us hope

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.11.12 19:16:53 by juba_fan Reply

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  • Kick off. Go Bokke

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.11.12 19:31:46 by Mutley Reply
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  • SA’s best fullback. Haha

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.11.12 19:33:04 by Mutley Reply
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  • Penalty to Ireland. Not rolling away. Going for touch.

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.11.12 19:36:17 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty to Ireland. Making contact with the player in the line out. Going for posts.
    Ireland 3
    SA 0
    6min

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.11.12 19:38:12 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty against SA. Entry Alberts. Ireland set up the line out bout 40m out

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.11.12 19:40:11 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty against SA. Jannie offside, Ireland going for goal.
    Ireland 6
    SA 0
    11min

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.11.12 19:42:53 by Mutley Reply
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  • SA get a penalty. 4 not rolling away, going for touch set up just outside the 22

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.11.12 19:46:54 by Mutley Reply
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  • Penalty for SA. 5 offside
    Going for posts
    SA 3
    Ireland 6
    18min

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.11.12 19:49:29 by Mutley Reply
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  • Penalty Ireland. De Villiers offside. Going for posts.
    Ireland 9
    SA 3
    21min

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.11.12 19:53:01 by Mutley Reply
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  • Penalty to Ireland. Kirchner holding on. Going for the line out bout 40m out

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.11.12 19:55:27 by Mutley Reply
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  • SA get a penalty. Ireland holding on. Lambie going for goal just inside his own half. But wide
    SA 3
    Ireland 9
    26min

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.11.12 19:58:13 by Mutley Reply
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  • SA get a penalty. Ireland holding on. Sets up the line out just inside our half

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.11.12 19:59:26 by Mutley Reply
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  • From the line out we lose the ball via a penalty. Ireland take a quick tap

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.11.12 20:00:34 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty for Ireland. Offside. Going for posts
    Ireland 12
    SA 3
    31min

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.11.12 20:03:36 by Mutley Reply
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  • From the kick off all hell breaks lose.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.11.12 20:04:30 by Mutley Reply
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  • Petersen tackling the Irish player early from the kick off, sent off with a yellow card

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.11.12 20:06:00 by Mutley Reply
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  • Ireland gets a penalty off the scrum. SA put Alberts to defend the gap in the backline and had a 7 man scrum

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.11.12 20:08:30 by Mutley Reply
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  • Hometown reffing … Reverse angle shows knockon before pieterson tackle … And it was a great tackle

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.11.12 20:09:07 by byron Reply

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  • How many kickable penalties has SA been awarded?

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.11.12 20:09:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Penalty against Kruger. Offside at the maul. Ireland going for goal. But misses
    Ireland 12
    SA 3
    39min

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.11.12 20:13:53 by Mutley Reply
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  • Great steal by Louw. SA getting a penalty and taking the quick tap

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.11.12 20:15:12 by Mutley Reply
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  • Dark ages kak we have to watch here. Bring back Divvie! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.11.12 20:16:40 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Ruan Pienaar going for goal. Inside his own half on the angle bout 60m. But short
    Halftime
    Ireland 12
    SA 3

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.11.12 20:17:28 by Mutley Reply
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  • Come on Boks! We shouldn’t be trailing against this side!

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.11.12 20:31:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Nooooo. Technical problems from Supersport

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.11.12 20:31:27 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 38) : http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/12004103068940.html

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.11.12 20:32:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • We are back for the 2nd half and SA have a penalty. Lambie not going for goal, going for the line out

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.11.12 20:33:12 by Mutley Reply
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  • Heaslip yellowcarded!

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.11.12 20:34:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Healslip get a yellow from the resulting ruck. Going for the line out again

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.11.12 20:34:52 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty, going for the quick tap

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.11.12 20:35:33 by Mutley Reply
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  • TMO try for Pienaar, yes givin under the posts

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.11.12 20:36:37 by Mutley Reply
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  • Pienaar! Try!

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.11.12 20:36:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Converted
    SA 10
    Ireland 12
    44min

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.11.12 20:37:11 by Mutley Reply
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  • Backline has finally woken up!

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.11.12 20:42:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Penalty awarded to SA

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.11.12 20:44:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Penalty to SA. Right in front. Lambie going for goal
    SA 13
    Ireland 12
    52min

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.11.12 20:44:49 by Mutley Reply
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  • Pat converts
    12-13 for SA

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.11.12 20:45:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Heaslip back

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.11.12 20:45:28 by Mutley Reply
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  • Heaslip back on

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.11.12 20:45:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Great defense by SA and results in penalty for SA

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.11.12 20:48:30 by Mutley Reply
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  • Pat on for Jannie

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.11.12 20:49:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Steve Walsh makes one of his infamous calls :evil:

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.11.12 20:51:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Another penalty against SA. Taute late tackle

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.11.12 20:51:28 by Mutley Reply
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  • Another penalty. Hougard offside

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.11.12 20:53:01 by Mutley Reply
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  • Going for goal, Sexton short
    Ireland 12
    SA 13
    61min

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.11.12 20:54:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • 5 second rule bites Ireland. Scrum awarded to SA.

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.11.12 20:57:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ireland scrum straight down. Penalty to SA

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.11.12 21:00:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Scrum penalty for SA

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.11.12 21:00:05 by Mutley Reply
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  • Coetzee on for Alberts

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.11.12 21:00:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Penalty to SA, Ireland playing Etsebeth in the air in the line out. Lambie going for goal. Short
    SA 13
    Ireland 12
    66min

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.11.12 21:02:32 by Mutley Reply
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  • Penalty SA!

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.11.12 21:04:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • O yes. Heinke wins another scrum penalty. Easy points for Lambie
    SA 16
    Ireland 12
    69min

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.11.12 21:05:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 65) : Woohoo!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.11.12 21:06:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ireland pile in the replacements

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.11.12 21:07:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • SA applying a lot of pressure in the scrums! Meyer’s gamble on Heinke seems to have paid off

    Edit: And Murphy has the last laugh as I post this!

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.11.12 21:08:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ireland wins a scrum penalty, going for the line out, sets it up bout 30m out

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.11.12 21:09:39 by Mutley Reply
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  • Did Coetzee force that penalty?

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.11.12 21:11:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Great defense again by SA, Ireland not releasing the ball. SA get penalty

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.11.12 21:11:51 by Mutley Reply
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  • 5min left

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  • Comment 76, posted at 10.11.12 21:17:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • Ireland have a penalty, go for the line out and set the line out up inside their half

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.11.12 21:18:40 by Mutley Reply
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  • SA wins!

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.11.12 21:19:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Petersen runs the ball into touch.
    SA 16
    Ireland 12
    Fulltime

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.11.12 21:19:40 by Mutley Reply
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  • Good 2nd half. Terrible 1st half

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.11.12 21:20:35 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 80) : Yip. What do you reckon? Best SA forward: Etsebth, Best SA back: Pienaar

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.11.12 21:22:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • March of the Palookas. Rather watch this for quality ball carrying skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFSGhasyHhY

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.11.12 21:22:41 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 81) : It’s Estebeth. :) Irish commentators are as bad as Aussies.

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.11.12 21:39:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • MAN I thought our commentators were kak then I heard the potatoe munchers.
    *The Paddy’s say nothing about Ireland slowing down the lineouts but complain about how the Boks “always” slow the pace of the agme down.
    *The two best screw-ups of the game were where they said Lambie inspires no confidence and the only reason he is in the side is for his kicking :D (They must have missed the bit where the Bulls fans (HM and others) said he kept on NOT being selected because of his poor tactical kicking.

    There is nothing so bad as a biased commentator who slowly sees his team’s victory slipping away.

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.11.12 21:42:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Vanmartin
    Yes, pretty much.

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.11.12 21:56:22 by Mutley Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 84) :

    You have to admit though, his tactical kicking was very poor in that 1st half, but I’m please HM kept him on the field and made the changes to take the pressure off. The last thing we need is a different fly-half every match. I was anyway much more comfortable with him taking those crunch penalties than I would have been with Morne on the field. He’ll do better next week and next and hopefully the Sharks will let him play 10 also.

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.11.12 22:00:47 by fyndraai Reply
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  • What a terrible first half performance. We should have thrashed this Irish team but instead we looked like a team of individuals.

    Much better second half though.

    Good performances from Strauss, Ruan, Etzebeth, Flouw and Vermuelen.

    I thought Marcell also did well when he came on. Should deffo start ahead of Alberts next week.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.11.12 22:08:14 by wpw Reply
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  • Lambie was quite decent considering it was his first start at 10.

    Well for one thing he is miles better than Morne and he will improve going forward.

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.11.12 22:10:53 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 88) : I thin k he had a mediocre game, I just hope he gets a next chance, because he WILL improve.

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.11.12 22:19:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Heinke MUST start if Beast is out. On todays performance cj in line for “worst bok team”.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.11.12 22:31:04 by JD Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 88) : who in SA is currently not miles ahead of morné? Don’t know why morné is on the bench Elton must be on the bench ahead of him, if morné came on at the end of this game we whould have lost this game.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.11.12 22:54:45 by JD Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 89) : All of the bokke had a mediocre first half. What Lambie did good all game was his tackling, for a “small” guy he really don’t stand back and wait for someone else to tackle the big guys. Lambie had a quite day but who in the backline had a huge game today?!

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.11.12 22:59:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 92) :
    I thought Jean de Villiers had a good game from the backline… Easily his best performance this year in the Bok jersey

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.11.12 00:17:32 by HORSEFLY Reply

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  • Lambie didn’t have opportunity to control the game, it seems that was left to Pienaar, which worked well with Steyn at fh.

    Lambie will do better with Houghaard at scrummy.

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.11.12 08:16:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Nobody in the backline stood out like the Irish backliners did. And the reason is simple. We play with our forwards…the age old bumpercar rugby. The Irish knew this and just stood waiting, because the bok players will run towards them. And they ripped the ball numerous times as part of the strategy employed by SA.

    The Irish played with their backline players. Playing away from the SA forwards who in anycase do not contest rucks. So Paddies get quicker ball. When we had the ball, we struggled to get quick ball on a number of occassions because their more aggressive rucking prevented this.

    Lambie was told to improve his tactical kicking and I’m of the opinion that he focused to prove that this had indeed improved and his natural game went out of the window.

  • Comment 95, posted at 11.11.12 08:39:37 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • It looks to me as if Lambie is tentative in playing the style of Rugby we are used to seeing him produce. Whats the point in having Lambie ,a multi-skilled dynamo ,if our coach is going to insist on him playing a certain way.

    Read somewhere ,must have been Keo, that the Springboks looked best when sticking to our traditional strengths. Problem with this type of thinking is we are a)assuming our mauls ,scrums ,line-outs are superior to NZ(our measuring stick) which they are not & b)as a result emphasis is placed on these aspects of play while we neglect others . It irritates me immensely when HM defendants say we do not have the players to beat NZ with running rugby…no you f’n morons ,we do, they are just held at ransom(bullied into playing a certain way) in the bok squad or not selected.

    Finally I agree with previous posts ,Marcel should replace Alberts, we need that speed to the ball that he provides.

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  • Our loose-forwards are lacking any link type players ala Keegan Daniel, Kieran Reid and Kankowski ,which is another reason why I would like to see Coetzee in there.

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.11.12 21:09:06 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 96) :

    We have the players to beat NZ with running rugby? Perhaps you can give us some evidence for that. Point us to the last SA teams that topped the kiwis with running rugby.

  • Comment 98, posted at 11.11.12 21:43:08 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Problem is not beating nz with running rugby, the problem is rest of the rugby world know what boks will do and stand and wait for it. SA has player with x-factor bok coaches just did not pick them as we always flattened opposition with giant forwards. That’s not working as good as it use to and bokke must adapt to changing opposition and rules.

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.11.12 22:11:31 by JD Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 98) :One just has to look at who made it to this years Super Rugby final.

    We have the players to compliment the the hard work done by our forwards. With players like Morne Steyn in the mix we will never finish opportunities out wide.

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  • @JD (Comment 99) : Well put

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.11.12 22:19:51 by Talent Reply
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  • People think running Rugby means that you play like Fiji :???: It does not mean you abandon other aspects of the game.

    Under Jake White we played some of our best attacking rugby and constantly threatened NZ .

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.11.12 22:22:45 by Talent Reply
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  • It’s not rocket science…. look at what Irish did to bokke in first half when we played blue bok rugby and when bokke changed it up abit in the second half Irish were out of the game.

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.11.12 22:30:29 by JD Reply
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  • Just hope meyer gives Lambie another game on Saturday.

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.11.12 22:52:42 by JD Reply
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  • Last time we played really good attacking rugby was when Straueli was still coach, back in 2002. Back when Marius Joubert was in the form of his life and out-maneuvering the best midfields in world rugby, when Werner Greeff ran brilliant attacking lines and Brent Russell could make something happen out of nothing.

    Just a shame he (Straueli) completely lost the plot after that years Tri Nations. Then went ahead and did an incredible amount of damage that can still be felt today.

    Under Jake White we only really ever scored off opposition mistakes.

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.11.12 06:06:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I’m all for giving Lambie a decent shot at the 10 jersey…

    But a ‘decent’ performance shouldn’t secure it for him.

    It’s going to be tough for some of you to handle, but Goosen is Meyer’s 10. He played Morne, yes, but saw him as a short-term solution. Long-term, he sees Goosen as the guy he wants there.

    You should all just imagine Goosen was with the Sharks and Lambie was with the Cheetahs. Will make what happens in the future a lot easier to handle.

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.11.12 06:13:09 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 106) : Good comment. We need to take our blinkers off and judge fairly. Lambie was mediocre in a team performance that was below par. Playing with 14 men in the 1st half also stifled any momentum. Give him another run next week. Pienaar was good. Goosen is the best 10 as far as potential goes. Just need him to get over these injuries. That was a fired up Irish side and they didnt allow us to have too much front foot ball. Give them credit. Strauss at hooker is growing every game. What a bonus for when Bismark comes back to have him on the bench.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.11.12 07:32:31 by Amateur Reply

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  • I really hope Lambie gets another shot. He did not play his best game this Saturday, even though he had minimal opportunities, I felt like there was a few things he could have done better.

    It would be unfair to Jantjies not to give him a shot on this tour, but I also think it would be unfair to give Lambie only one game.

    Give him a chance to show what he can to once he’s settled into his role and his partnership with Ruan and de Villiers.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.11.12 09:28:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 106) :

    Luckily Goosen will always be injured ..

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.11.12 09:51:14 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Lambie was no worse on Saturday than Goosen was in either of his two starting test matches. Let’s compare players based on what they actually do on the field, rather than this mythical “potential” bollocks that we dream up based on watching them at school.

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.11.12 11:58:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • I didn’t think lambie did that badly taking all factors into consideration. He was under enormous pressure from Heyneke Meyer’s statements in the press about this being the chance for players to prove themselves, saying Lambie had to improve his tactical kicking, and then Meyer telling everyone that he has included Steyn on the bench as his “insurance policy”.

    Was Meyer deliberately trying to undermine Lambie’s confidence with all this drivel to the press? It would be a travesty not to start Lambie against Scotland, he has to be given the same opportunities to make the position his own that were given to players like Hougaard, Spies and Morne Steyn. Oh but they are all Bulls players aren’t they?

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.11.12 12:10:11 by jonnow Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 106) :
    Give me one specific game of where Goosen showed he’s this rugby guru that you see him as. Not little snippets in every other game mate…
    Also, explain to me what Goosen would have done in that 1st half? I think Meyer does see him as the future 10 but he’s looking for someone to prove him wrong on this tour…
    From his post match interview it seems as if HM is looking to give Pat another chance.

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.11.12 12:12:23 by HORSEFLY Reply

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  • @HORSEFLY (Comment 112) : dude, hendrik wears Johan Goosen pajamas…. no point in trying to argue this one on any sensible basis.

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.11.12 12:23:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ag yaaaaaaawn, still the same detractors finding fault with everything Lambie :roll:

    His first game at fh for the Boks in how many years (can’t remember if he did infact pl,ay a game at fh under PdV?)? And he needed but one half to find his feet….not bad for this average fh :roll:

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.11.12 12:29:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I cannot see any SA flyhalf do any better in that first half. Bok team struggled to come to terms with a trigger happy ref – so could hardly get any momentum.

    I personally rate Goosen as a great talent too, but this automatic promotion to first choice flyhalf is doing a major disservice to the player. When he screws up in a game as he will, the same pundits will call for his head.

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.11.12 12:38:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 114) : I think he started a game against NZ at 10. Morne Steyn was played at 15.

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.11.12 12:41:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 113) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.11.12 12:44:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 113) : Don’t forget about the Johan Goosen G-string. :lol:

  • Comment 118, posted at 12.11.12 12:47:39 by Ben Reply
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  • I dont see any comments asking for Lambie to be axed, or maybe I missed them? I think all level headed people are saying he was fine but not great. There again no-one was great. Mst people are saying give him and the rest of the team another chance together against Scotland. Unfortunately some reporters are saying everyone must get a chance and Jaantjies must start. We would really have achieved nothing then. Maybe have Jaantjies on the bench and see how the game pans out. No matter what anyone says, Goosen had a great S15 before getting injured. He showed class that not too many others could ever show. Problem is his injuries.

  • Comment 119, posted at 12.11.12 12:51:44 by Amateur Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 114) : I think my preference to give Elton a shot first is well documented on Sharksworld but I was very impressed with two aspects of Lambie’s game:
    1. Rock solid defence – I reckon Francois Hougaard owes him a beer for one of the cover tackles he made.
    2. He made Jean de Villiers look really good. de Villiers was thriving off those deft passes from Lambie that was constantly putting him into space. It’s a real pity that JdV doesn’t have a better offloading game.

    @Bokhoring (Comment 115) : Good point on Goosen!

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.11.12 12:52:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Amateur (Comment 119) :

    Mate, I guess many people said the exact same things about Andre Pretorius back then.

    And what is it with this “potential”? A battery has potential. Attach a light bulb to see if there is any potential over the two poles. Maybe the bulb won’t burn as bright…..

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.11.12 17:49:34 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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