Richard Ferguson

Same again for Cheetahs


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Super Rugby on 6 Mar 2013 at 10:51
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The Cheetahs have opted to retain Sarel Pretorius in the starting line-up for their clash against the Highlanders.

Coach Naka Drotské has stuck with the same starting fifteen but has included Heinrich Brüssow on the bench in place of Boom Prinsloo.

Naka must have had sleepless nights about Brüssow’s inclusion, but has opted to play it safe in allowing the flanker to start off the bench.

Cheetahs: 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Willie le Roux, 13 Johann Sadie, 12 Robert Ebersohn, 11 Raymond Rhule, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Sarel Pretorius, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Pieter Labuschagne, 6 Frans Viljoen, 5 Francois Uys, 4 Lodewyk de Jager, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1 Trevor Nyakane.

Substitutes: 16 Ryno Barnes, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Rynhard Landman, 19 Heinrich Brüssow, 20 Piet van Zyl, 21 Riaan Smith, 22 Ryno Benjamin



36 Comments

  • how old is Boom Prinsloo and what happened i thought he was a great prospect for the cheetahs?

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.03.13 12:03:12 by Dunx Reply
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  • Another 5 log points for the new Zealanders…

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.03.13 12:24:57 by Viking Reply
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  • @Dunx (Comment 1) : 24 years. He is a great prospect, that is why he is still there.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.03.13 12:36:15 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 3) :

    Your thoughts on sticking with Pretorius?

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.03.13 12:37:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : He wasn’t flash against the Chiefs, but then neither was van Zyl. Problem lies in the quality ball they are getting from the setpieces. If he can be a bit more accurate, he could play a good one. At the moment there isn’t much to choose between them. I am more interested to see,, if the blow out was just fatigue, or are ther more pressing problems.

    I think there was improvment in the setpieces, and Naka is playing safe, bring Coenie and Brüssow slowly into things. Maybe we will be a surprise against the Clan, and then we have relatively easier games against the Waratahs, Force and Rebels to close out the tour.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.03.13 15:17:35 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 5) :

    Thanks..

    You do know you play the Rebels here hey?

    Hope you can get a few points from the Force at least!

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.03.13 15:45:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Same again?

    I take it you mean result-wise?

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.03.13 17:23:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 7) : I think that really goes without saying

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.03.13 17:41:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 7) : my magnipiscean friend….

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.03.13 17:41:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 2) : Your support is valued, as is your positive contribution.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.03.13 07:45:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) : Jip, I am hoping we can put one past the Waratahs as well. This weekends match will be tough, but the team is beginning to gel, so maybe.

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.03.13 07:47:11 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 10) : I will give the Cheetahs all my support when they are able to compete with the overseas sides the way they do when playng local sides. That being said my support of them will be better when they are back on home ground, until then I am just a bit more realistic of the outcome of the game. But good luck to the cheetahs.

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.03.13 08:20:58 by Viking Reply
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  • Think you are graabbing at straws to justify your cynicism. Cheetahs were better on the road than most, if you consider the quality of the opposition.

    Lost to Brumbies by a single point, and that after a dubious penalty in the last minute. Brumbies (7th).

    Beat Rebels 33-26 scoring 3 tries. Rebels (13th)

    Lost by 7 points to Crusaders scoring 2 tries. Crusaders (4th)

    Beat Hurricanes 47-38 scoring 6 tries. (Hurricanes 8th)

    Tour points 11 points.

    At home we lost by 6 to the Chiefs (2nd)
    Lost to Highlanders by 3 scoring 3 tries.(9th)
    Beat Force by 4 (14th)
    Beat Waratahs by 1, scoring 5 tries.(11th)

    So against NZ and Aus opponents we garnered 22 points, out of a total of 38.

    Only SA teams we beat was the Lions, and the Stormers beat us narrowly. Only the Bulls and Sharks put winning margins of more than 7 points against us. So your argument is inherently flawed.

    In addition, the Sharks only scored 2 more log points against overseas opponents than the Cheetahs last year.
    Buuls also only scored 22 log points against overseas opposition.

    It’s my joy to educate misinformed people, and to correct their flawed perceptions lol.

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.03.13 09:32:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 13) : I hear you and last year was a good year for the cheetahs on tour but a standard year overall, ending on 10th overall.

    The cheetahs has only won 3 away games from 31 in total. 2 in 2012 and 1 in 2011. This is why I am not optimistic about their chances overseas untill they prove they can consistently win a couple of games on tour.

    At least at home the number jumps to 14 from 31, hence my point that I will give them better support when they play at home again.

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.03.13 09:58:36 by Viking Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 13) : I will however concede the point that the cheetahs do not regularly beat the other local side. Ratio for home and away is about 25% wins for the cheetahs.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.03.13 10:05:53 by Viking Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 13) : Some interesting stats. :cool:

    Interesting how a false perception takes hold as a truth.

    For the first time ever I had a look at the Staat’s overall results and to my surprise found out they have won only 26% of their home games against SA teams and 45% against foreign sides. :shock:

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.03.13 10:31:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • For comparison here are the other SA teams home win percentages against SA teams v against Foreign sides:

    Bulls: SA – 59% Foreign – 64%
    Sharks: SA – 64% Foreign – 64%
    Stormers: SA – 65% Foreign – 56%
    Lions: SA – 27% Foreign – 34%

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.03.13 10:40:24 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 17) : And for SA teams playing foreign teams away its:

    Sharks – 33%
    Bulls – 22%
    Stormers – 40%
    Lions – 11%
    Cheetahs – 10%

    I thought the Bulls would have been more but the Stormers has impressed me.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.03.13 10:49:01 by Viking Reply
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  • Ok, just so I am clear here; Viking was being a plank cos he said that the Cheetahs record against foreign opposition was really bad. In fact, there record against local teams is just as bad. Is that right?

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.03.13 10:52:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 18) : No surprise with the Bulls. If they don’t serve koeksusters & melktert during half time, they tend to fall apart. :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.03.13 10:54:07 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : They win almost half their home games against foreigners. Not too bad, or not as bad as thought. I think.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.03.13 10:56:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 20) : I just expected more from a side that won the cup 3 times. But I suppose you need to make sure you win your home games first.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.03.13 10:56:35 by Viking Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : Something like that…I still don’t like you calling me a plank ;-)

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.03.13 10:57:38 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 22) : I reckon their stats are somewhat scewed by a few horrid seasons in the early years.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.03.13 10:58:18 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 22) : Since 2007 the Bulls have won around 37% of their away games in aus/nz.

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.03.13 11:03:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 25) : That sounds more like what I expected. Still impressed with the Stormers away count considering that is from the start of the competition.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.03.13 11:08:49 by Viking Reply
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  • Ok – all clear now. :lol:

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.03.13 11:10:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 26) : Ja but the Stormers only win 59% of all their home games overall. :|

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.03.13 11:13:51 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 28) : You gotta make your home games count. When the Crsudares had that Super Rugby winning streak they didn’t drop a home game in a couple of years (2004 – 2007). They still have a 82% home victory against all oppositions and if you only look at the last 8 years or so it is even higher.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.03.13 11:21:01 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 29) : Hopefully they start improving that home record this weekend.

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.03.13 11:28:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : Lets hope so. 1. We cannot afford the chiefs to keep winning and 2. I backed the stormers on superbru

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.03.13 11:33:13 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 14) : Copy that. I take positives out of 2012, because it was the 1st year that we started with a decent sponsor, and could retain the bulk of our 2011 squad.

    If the Cheetahs are to be consistently competitive in Super Rugby, they need to be able to hold on to their quality players.

    They can learn alot from the Sharks iro building brand awareness and marketing, but the bottom line is, their financial muscle, or lack thereof trips them up more oft than not. So yes they are now begginning to forge ahead.

    To illustrate my point further, the Bulls still hace 9 players left, that were pasrt of the 2009 winning team. Cheetahs have 5.

    It’s always going to be an uphill battle for the Cheetahs compared to the other unions, even the marketability of Bloem, compared to CT, Durban and Pretoria has vast discrepancies. That is not something the Cheetahs can change. If Saru could work out a model where they could assist the Cheetahs financially, it would be to the benefit of SA Rugby, the same for the Kings/Lions. But the big three will be up in arms!

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.03.13 11:37:12 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 31) : Exactly. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.03.13 11:43:48 by McLovin Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 32) : kudos mate… plenty of other would have given up by now :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.03.13 12:09:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 32) : haha… Pretoria is marketable now. Wish they’d told us that when I was growing up there.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.03.13 12:10:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Lol, nah, I think if one is reasonable and open-minded, then it tempers your expectations with realism.

    What I mean is that economically, the other three unions mentioned have more to work with in terms of marketing. Pretoria/Jhb is huge.

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.03.13 14:51:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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