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Kings win the contest, but not the game


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 9 Mar 2013 at 20:57
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The Sharks extended their try-less streak in Super Rugby 2013 to two full games and showed very little of anything in recording a scrappy 21-12 victory over the Southern Kings in Port Elizabeth.

The Sharks started like a house on fire, but saw their early momentum stifled by resolute defence from the home side. As big hit after big hit stymied the one-dimensional Sharks attack, you could see the visitors visibly deflating as the Kings’ heads started to pick up. Pat Lambie, to his credit, kept the scoreboard ticking over, but the anticipated flood of tries simply never came.

Leading 12-3 at the break, the platform appeared to have been laid for the Sharks to cut loose in the second, but as their attack failed, so too did referee Jason Jafta start to make increasingly strange – and one-sided calls – in favour of the home side. While the Sharks bumbled and fumbled, it was the Kings – spearheaded by flyhalf Demetri Catrikilis – who played the more constructive rugby and started to chip away at the lead. In the end, it was left to a late Lambie penalty to restore the 9-point gap and finally make the four points safe for the Sharks. The much-anticipated fifth, though, remained a dim and distant dream.

The Sharks remain unbeaten and are now on top of the South African conference log with 12 points, but only a fool would feel any confidence ahead of the game against the Brumbies this coming weekend.

Sharks (21). Penalties Lambie (6). Drop goal Lambie
Kings (12). Penalties Catrikilis (4)



121 Comments

  • What absolute drivel .

    Lambie needs a kick up the arse ,he needs to remember he isnt a Blou Bull he is an attacking flyhalf.

    My reservations about Reinach were confirmed tonight ,he is flipen asleep ! There was a marked improvement when Mcleod came on.

    Sharks need to learn to maul !

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.03.13 21:01:24 by Talent Reply
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  • All our momentum was lost when Deysel went off, which shows how easy it is to shut us down.

    We are seriously missing Daniel ,Whitehead and Michalak from a creative point of view.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.03.13 21:03:30 by Talent Reply
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  • If the sharks play like this against the brumbies we will do well to keep the margin below 20 :cry:

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.03.13 21:07:22 by BR Reply
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  • Brumbies to get smashed next week. :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.03.13 21:10:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • I never thought I would say this the backline even seemed better when Bosman came on :shock: steyn seriously need to work on his distribution skills wich at the moment is beyond kak.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.03.13 21:11:26 by BR Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 4) : Getting smashed after they smashed the sharks

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.03.13 21:12:21 by BR Reply
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  • This team is playing like a team that is trying not to loose, i.e. Stormers version 2012.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.03.13 21:13:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 7) : Very true.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.03.13 21:15:14 by McLovin Reply

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  • Chin up folks, long way to go. Still unbeaten, still top of conference. :smile:

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.03.13 21:16:20 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 8) : Well done with your teams win today they played some very attractive rugby :shock: other than the sharks :sad: , seems like the stormers and sharks just swapped their game plans

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.03.13 21:17:37 by BR Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 9) : Too be honest would you be satisfied by this if it were the stormers :?:

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.03.13 21:18:53 by BR Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 8) : I enjoyed the Stormers game today – really good rugby game.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.03.13 21:21:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 10) : Nee wat, it’s just the way things go. Just shows some clichés are true. A week is a very long time in sport. :smile:

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.03.13 21:22:52 by McLovin Reply

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  • @BR (Comment 11) : Definitely not, but got to look for the positives. Otherwise it’s a slippery slope on a downward spiral into depression. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.03.13 21:24:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : Me too, although cardiac arrest was never far away. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.03.13 21:25:15 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 13) : Unfortunately there has been a pattern building for the Sharks from game 1 against the Tahs. Personally I think not getting the 5 today will bite us in the butt come playoff time.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.03.13 21:25:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Dit lyk net of al die sharks uit form is ,hopefully they will all hit form at the same time (this is wat I don’t like of soft preseasons it is week 3 and we still look a bit,well a bit is a understatement, underdone, our attack is the worst that it has been in years).

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.03.13 21:28:10 by BR Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 16) : Maybe, especially if other SA sides take 5 points against them.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.03.13 21:28:12 by McLovin Reply

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  • Our players don’t know how to draw and pass in order to create space. Basic shit we learned in primary school already. Every ball that we didn’t kick away went to the wings with the defense simply drifting along.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.03.13 21:36:45 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Lambie is not playing for the Sharks, he is playing for the Boks, thiss much is very evident as he is playing to impress HM, pathetic and maybe time for Butch to be brought into the 10 spot,

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.03.13 21:37:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Someone please explain how this is off sides? http://postimage.org/image/q6z9lmrsh/

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.03.13 21:38:48 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Some serious lack of any brains in the Sharks team right now.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.03.13 21:39:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Poor game by Sharks and the pi§$ poor ref dit not help. Not once warned kings for all the penelties in their 22 but warned Sharks after three. Why would Sharks let the scrum go down as the were dominating it the whole game?

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.03.13 21:42:45 by JD Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 1) : How can you blame Lambie when it was Steyn making all the wrong decisions?

    Lambie put the ball wide, kept passing but Steyn and Jordaan either lost it in contact or failed to find a teammate while passing. That, and Steyn’s conservative thinking in going for the 3 points all the time is what almost cost us here.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.03.13 21:43:20 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • Hey Rob did the rule of overseas players change as the kings used 3 today?

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.03.13 21:54:10 by JD Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 1) : Have suspected that Cobus is giving the backs slow ball for ages now. Our b¡basics at rucks, lineouts and general play leaves much to be desired. Maybe we should think about about playing Steyn fullback and Bosman at 12. We need to start with Mcleod going forward.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.03.13 21:59:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • We looked like a team that expected to rock up and win. Too much individualistic play from the forwards and too much lateral running from the backs. Steyn and Jordaan combo is not happening…

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.03.13 22:11:05 by CapeShark Reply
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  • One thing I’ve learnt is that the sharks don’t carry the favourites tag well. We’ll only improve when we’re staring down the barrel of a gun…

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.03.13 22:13:14 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @TRF_Ezequiel (Comment 24) : Lambies general attacking play has regressed hugely, he stands deep , doesn’t run onto the ball and doesn’t challenge the line at all.

    @GreatSharksays (Comment 26) : I agree ,we need Tim Whitehead back and we need Mcleod to start.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.03.13 22:23:04 by Talent Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 25) : Everyone’s making exceptions for the Kings. Must say, I’m getting a little tired of the ingratiating attitude from the commentators, media and now the ref. Seems like everyone’s trying to score points OFF THE FIELD! :evil:

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.03.13 22:24:58 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Most of our forwards played really well with Bresler, Beast and Coetzee impressing throughout the game -but it was Deysel who was the pace setter at the start, once we lost him it was like some one had pissed on our firecracker.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.03.13 22:25:47 by Talent Reply
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  • I like Cobus and think he is the way forward, but he needs to be eased into S15 rugby. Our lack of depth at scrumhalf is an issue. Ungerer seemed to have a great performance yesterday, let him get some more time in the VC and maybe a cameo sometime this season.

    Our players seemed to be looking for contact rather than space. We hardly used our backs, same as the past two weeks. Ludik is an impressive player though, not Percy (who is?) but a good fullback in his own right.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.03.13 22:30:24 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • Checking other news sites. Must be the first time I’ve seen a team play ‘terrific’ , ‘gallant’ and ‘impressive’ rugby and still get ZERO points.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.03.13 22:31:39 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 20) : Well put :!:

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.03.13 22:31:46 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 31) : Coetzee though is easy to defend against, 1 dimensional

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.03.13 22:32:52 by Ludz Reply

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  • Yer CapeShark watched the last 20min mutted did my own commentary as the idiots on tv seams to think all kings players should be springboks. Really [email protected] hearing of their “super” players.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.03.13 22:33:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 35) : I disagree, he offloads well and runs well in broken play. Its maybe not him but the Sharks style of play currently.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.03.13 22:49:08 by Talent Reply
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  • Our problems are a)Slow ball out the ruck-scrummy m.i.a often b)Lambie sitting deep and passing while motionless /not attacking the gainline c)wings not looking to play off the midfielders

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.03.13 22:52:10 by Talent Reply
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  • Did we win tonight? Clearly sounds like this game was lost by the boys? The problem is we expect to beat these guys by 30+ points but never and now we not championship material anymore. Bullshit we played away and the kings were always going to be up to the challenge. We can’t call these guys easy beats cause we have never actually seen them in super rugby. Their team has changed completely and they want to impress. I’m actually disappointed in sharks supporters tonight. We sitting at the top of our conference and we haven’t lost yet. To all the supporters would you rather be up there or 0 from 3 and tryna play catch up rugby like last year. We haven’t gelled as a team but we still winning. Another thing that is bugging me is lambies play that is been critised but he is putting points on the board for us. When he was missing points last year we blamed his kicking game but now he is doing everything right and we blame his attacking game. Hope the boys don’t log onto these sites cause then they might as well give up the fight for glory.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.03.13 23:07:13 by shaniboi Reply

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  • I got the idea that every player tried to beat the Kings on his own tonight. There was no cohesion to the side, no playing the basics. The Sharks, with all the possession and territory should have been 30 something up at half time but there was too much individualistic play to gel as a team.

    I’m sorry but you still have to do the basics right even when you play a mediocre side.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.03.13 00:28:39 by Baylion Reply

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  • @shaniboi (Comment 39) :
    You might wanna read this: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2013/03/06/plumtree-we-want-to-talk-about-the-standards-we-have-set-for-ourselves/

    By their own admission, the Sharks want to play at a high standard every week. Not even the most parochial supporter can claim that they did.

    The Kings played well and Jafta had a very poor game, but neither had anything to with Reinach’s 3-step pass, the poor kicking and the zero creativity in midfield.

    I think that Plumtree subbing his captain and one of the biggest names on his team-sheet with a good 25 minutes to go indicates that he may also feel the same as many objective Sharks fans.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.03.13 01:57:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 35) : Agree! When is K Dog coming back?

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.03.13 02:14:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : Last year this time, everyone was complaining about how poor a captain Keegan was. The comments have been getting more and more ridiculous as time goes on. Rob, you know I love Sharksworld, one of the originals, but these comments are getting ridiculous. Michalak should never have started last year according to some because he was holding Lambie back, now, we miss his flair. Three weeks ago, when the captaincy was given to Steyn, a vast majority of posters here thought it was a poor choice and Lambie should be Captain. Now posters want to bring Butch on because in 3 weeks Lambie is not only not worthy of the captaincy but now not worthy of starting. It seems most posters here can not look back behind the most recent game. Previous performances are quickly forgotten to be replaced by a single game. Come on people, please stop being so bi-polar. Even out your personalities a bit. If the Sharks had won this by 40 points, every Shark would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Stop judging on a single game, try to broaden your horizons a bit.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.03.13 05:51:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I am starting to believe some of those other supporters who refer to Sharks fans as a bunch of whingers may be onto something.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.03.13 05:52:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : Hey Uncle. I guess it is like they say in boxing. “You are only as good as your last fight.”

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.03.13 06:37:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : Keegan will bring balance to the loose trio. At the moment it’s very easy to defend, situation is made worse by our lack of intensity. Watching the Bulls now and the intensity is right up there. A root cause analysis will show that at the centre of our problems is our strategy when it comes to rucks. Even if players are changed around the result will be the same not unless we fix the basics and improve our intensity.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.03.13 06:48:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) : I think the issue is not just this game, but all 3 games so far. The Sharks clearly build the attacking game around Alberts to generate momentum and Daniels to provide the creativity. Now that they missing our much vaunted back line seems to be paper tigers at the moment. Lambie (who I really like) seems to be trying to be a Morne clone at the moment whose first reaction is now to kick. We try for 10-15 minutes to batter down a resolute defense and then we just give up – happy to play for penalties? We will not win the S15 that way.

    The Kings were very resolute in defence and showed great spirit in trying to tackle everything that moves. However they never looked like they could win the game. I honestly can’t believe that there are no better scrummies is SA than the Argentinian import they used – he absolutely managed to stifle any attack the Kings had all on his own.

    To be honest our attacking play looks to be the worst of all the other SA sides at the moment. We are in serious need of a decent attack coach.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.03.13 07:13:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • We will have to do some serious introspection this week – otherwise we will be in for a world of pain this coming weekend. The Brumbies are looking real good this year

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.03.13 07:30:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Sharks might have been scared of losing, but the King played with the sole purpose of keeping the losing margin as low as possible, which is probably why we were unable to get much af an attack going.

    Jafta was utter garbage, crowd probably intimidated him.

    Sharks need a head doctor….STILL, get this fear of losing out of them.

    The positive, we’re not in danger of peaking too soon. :razz:

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.03.13 07:37:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : So you’re happy with how we’re playing? Only the most rosy-eyed will have to admit that we are miles behind teams like the Chiefs, Blues and even the Brumbies on current form.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.03.13 09:06:35 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I have to say I agree @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) that it’s way too soon to panic! Maybe a loss next weekend to the Brumbies will be what the Sharks need to remove the ‘fear of losing’ and allow them to start playing a more open style without those shackles we have seen lately. The boys in black and white always play to a higher standard when their backs are against the wall for some reason :grin:

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.03.13 10:28:15 by Greg Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : Bud, I cannot accept that. First it was the Cheetahs that sucked the Sharks into playing it loose, then the Sharks were sucked into an arm wrestle with the stormers, and now, they were sucked into a negative type of play. Surely with the class of players the Sharks have they should be able to stamp their own game plan on opposing teams?

    You were quite scathing of the Cheetahs, but now you are using excuses for what has been 2 bland performances. How come the Stormers played it different against the chiefs, maybe they were sucked into the Sharks dour game plan, rather than the other way around!

    I mean before the season started, the Sharks supporters were telling us how they had the best backline, and with Carlos’ input, it would just enhance Lambie’s game. The depth you had was the best in the country etc.

    Well you have three wins, which is positive, but that is the only positive.

    Your backs couldn’t buy a try at the Chinese flea market. nah, there is something seriously wrong with the Sharks, and if they play like that against the Brumbies, expect a lashing!

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.03.13 10:45:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • The Kings did play negative rugby,the ref made it a stop start game.

    I’ll judge the sharks on this weekends game against the brumbies.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.03.13 10:55:10 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • I hate to be so negative about one player ,who clearly is talented, but Reinach isn’t ready yet…

    His service and passing is not yet anywhere near Mcleods. I wonder what knock on effect it has? Is this the reason we are seeing Lambie sit deeper?(because the defense is already set and he is marked up??) OR could it be that Lambie is trying to play the way that Heyneke Meyer would approve?

    Frans Steyn is looking terrible at the moment ,we are missing the small things Tim Whitehead bought on attack -the straightening of the line, his good support lines and his awareness on attack(having the presence of mind to distribute).Paul Jordaan on the other-hand seems to have worked so hard on his defense that he has forgotten how to pass properly, he is also looking to have run out of ideas on attack( hes like me when I”m sober on the dance floor (runs out of moves very quickly)

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.03.13 10:55:43 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 52) : Fred made the Sharks backline look like they could actually do something.

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.03.13 10:56:31 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Kings defense was superb.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.03.13 10:59:21 by Talent Reply
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  • Saying that we butchered more than one or two tries

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.03.13 10:59:54 by Talent Reply
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  • The sad thing is that last year we had the fire to fight fire with fire head to head with teams like the Chiefs and Blues. This year we don’t ,and we don’t have the water to put out that fire, we need to work on our lineouts and specifically our mauls

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.03.13 11:01:45 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 52) : Where were you when the Chiefs decimated the Cheetahs ? :roll: Now that they pulled their usual one season performance out the bag ,you pop in to stir :lol: :lol: You’ll be more absent from this site than present if that’s the case :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.03.13 11:04:51 by Talent Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : Sorry DB, I cant agree with you on this one…..I see schizophrenia where you see bi-polar. :twisted:
    Hope you are well.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.03.13 11:11:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Very dissapointed that we still have a mental block when faced with an easy game…. really thought the boys will come out firing to get that monkey of their backs!! But super rugby is a long tournament, and I think we will definately get better. Keep in mind, We are winning!!!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.03.13 11:11:13 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • BTW Rob, what is the contest that the Kings won and the Sharks lost?

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.03.13 11:12:56 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Ive been watching craig burden… i like the guy, very hard player… but geez hes not playing good rugby at all at the moment!!! Comon Bissie….. we need you

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.03.13 11:13:49 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 58) : We havent played them yet, how do you know these things in advance……like picking the Bulls over the Blues?

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.03.13 11:18:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • well done sharks on the win.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.03.13 11:30:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 65) : Your guys played with a lot of gees. And also congrats to the people for PE for filling that stadium – really good to see

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.03.13 11:41:34 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : Did you see our maul last night ,we must have made 6 meters in total…

    Im saying Kiwi teams cannot defend against the driving maul, its something we need to work on.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.03.13 11:42:34 by Talent Reply
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  • kings will eat the lions :lol:

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.03.13 12:13:36 by pete69 Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 52) : it was only the third game of the season, we’ll learn from this and get better with time.

    We lacked urgency, without which the Sharks are unable to perform it seems. We only ever have urgency when we’re against the wall. The rezt of the time we do just enough to win, which is obviously no

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.03.13 12:23:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • *not good enough. (stupid smart phones)

    And being scared to lose, you’ll only ever do that which is required to oppose the opposition, thus getting sucked in to the opposition gameplan.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.03.13 12:28:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 65) : Thanks. But for the final score, there wasn’t too much to choose between the sides. Respect Kings.

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.03.13 12:30:41 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 59) : bud, go back and look, I was here all along. But if it makes you feel better about life sure. Didn’t know this site was just for pro-Sharks image polishers. I take my battering, and you weren’t shy to dish it out, so take it on the chin.

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.03.13 12:32:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 69) : Well at least the sharks have the points, but it was really ugly. A team with then Sharks pedigree can do alot better.

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.03.13 12:34:32 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 72) : I don’t think I’ve read any ‘image polishing’ on here at all! all of the views expressed on here by supporters of the black and white have been about dissatisfaction with the performances to date, and trying to fathom out how the situation can improve going forward. going back to my earlier point, though: we haven’t played to nearly our potential yet and still have 3 wins, 2 of them away! not bad when you consider that last season we only won 3 away in total during the regular season.

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.03.13 12:47:10 by Greg Reply

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  • Agreed, I was refering to talent who was complaining about me being absent when the cheetahs got smashed. I was the first here to congratulate the Sharks when they beat the Cheetahs, and so he was just being a bit petty, no doubt also a bit miffed.

    I am stumped at the lack of creativity in the backline too, geez last year the Sharks were playing champagne rugby and winning. Now even the Stormers and Bulls are playing more attaractive rugby.

    That said, the log points count!

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.03.13 12:50:13 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 62) : Well, the Kings left the field with their heads held high, we left the field with a heavy heart although the scoreboard had us as having more points.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.03.13 14:02:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 72) : Ya ya :lol: I was happy the Cheetahs clapped the Highlanders ,always am when a SA team beats a kiwi team…

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.03.13 14:03:24 by Talent Reply
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  • Small changes and a few players back from injury will do us the world of good.

    Mcleod at 9 ,tell Lambie to play flatter and attack the advantage line . Whitehead back at either 12 or 13.

    When Alberts and Daniel returns the selection process becomes tricky. Both Deysel and Botes have been immense at the breakdown. If Alberts returns before Bismarck we could see him sit on the bench until Bismarck is fit to play.

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.03.13 14:12:31 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 78) : Hear, hear! those changes you mention are going to make a huge difference when they happen! notice I use “when” and not “if” ;-) . Plum can’t allow the experiment with Reinach to continue because from the evidence of the last 4 games (CC final included) he isn’t ready for this level of responsibility yet. and yes, it is “yet” as in he probably will be in future. With McLeod you know what you’re getting, not perfection but he doesn’t let the team down. His try against the Kings looked good to me. anyone else see it that way?

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.03.13 14:32:58 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 79) : I agree ,Mcleod was unlucky not to score that .It seems Jafta was trying his hardest to blow us out of the game, or am I being paranoid?

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.03.13 14:39:06 by Talent Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 75) : I know a troll when I see one (takes one to know one). I’m like Blade ,hunting vampires ,even though I am one. :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.03.13 14:41:12 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 80) : No, definitely not paranoid :twisted: Jafta isn’t on the same level as Kaplan, Joubert or Peyper. far too easily influenced by factors not on the field. For the run of home games coming up I would prefer an Aussie/NZ ref rather than Jafta to be honest.

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.03.13 14:47:41 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 82) : I’ve never rated Jafta if I am honest ,but then again I used to really not like Jaco Peyper and he had one of the better games I’ve seen reffed from a referee in a while yesterday. So that leads me to believe its maybe just experience…

    Well regardless ,I think most South African teams would find it hard to play against the Kings at home in their first Super Rugby derby in front of 42 000 spectators. They still have some self belief and fire in the belly ,they haven’t yet been given a smacking to knock the wind out of them , that’s when they will be up for the taking…

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.03.13 15:04:07 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 83) : and that smacking will come when they play away versus a top Kiwi or Aus side… :sad:

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.03.13 15:06:33 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 84) : actually, a lot sooner than that I reckon. I doubt the Chiefs will be leaving PE without that 4 try bonus point :twisted:

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.03.13 15:19:07 by Greg Reply

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  • unless…Jafta is the ref for that game too! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.03.13 15:20:16 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 85) : Probably not ,first 40 will be close but it’ll open up in the second half. The only thing the Kings have going for them is that the Chiefs will be as battered and bruised as they are, probably worse.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.03.13 15:32:55 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 87) : Having said that I can see them being up for the game.

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.03.13 15:33:43 by Talent Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 76) : Huh, Kings left the field battered and bruised without a point to show for it. Thats winning nothing in this competiotion. Sure they now know that their defence is decent but they will also be under the very false impression that they can also scrum….they cant.

    Sharks on the other hand left the field with 4 away log points, knowing that they need to improve significantly and that Jafta is as close as dammit to crook as you will find on a rugby field.

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.03.13 17:46:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 89) :If crook (above) is a bit harsh for anyones constitution please feel free to replace it with “biased incompetent”.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.03.13 17:48:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • My only peace of mind is that the Stormers tries were mostly opportunistic.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.03.13 18:00:08 by Talent Reply
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  • I watched about 10 minutes of the dross on offer in the second half, and then decided to rather watch a few episodes of The Walking Dead instead, which coincidentally mirrored pretty much what was on display in PE.

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.03.13 20:05:31 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 50) : Did you see anywhere in my post that I am happy with the mediocrity of the performances in the first three games? Of course not, I am not happy, but I am also certainly not ready to drop a single player or coach after the first three games. Especially when we managed wins even with mediocre performances. Those who say the Stormers are streets ahead because of their win over the Chiefs, did you forget we beat the Stormers last week and are still far ahead on the log. If the Stormers managed to beat the Chiefs and we managed to beat the stormers is no assurance we will beat the Chiefs, but to think it is not possible for us to win is just ridiculous.

    Salmanoid, perhaps you’re right, but there is not so much paranoia in this crowd, more emotional ups and downs than a roller coaster though. :wink:

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.03.13 20:27:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 78) : :twisted: I agree with you. A lot of guys have dissed McLeod while he was very instrumental in taking us to the SR final in ’12. He is world class and in my view the best SA SH. He upstaged Bulls’, the stormers’ as well as the Red’s scrum halves in the semifinals. He is the reason for getting us on the front foot, as I have blogged last year.
    Cobus is a great impact player.
    McLeod’s impact was so evident and even Lambie had a few extra meters to work with. The try McLeod score was again brilliant.
    Regarding Jafta: He is not on the level, and the reasons I say this is because he opted to make serious calls on his own, without consulting the TV ref. (Okay, the 2 assistant refs were plain dead wood and should not be in Senior rugby) But remember the call Jafta made when the Lions were awared a try that was about a meter short? Now I beg to understand why he did not call the TV ref in for Ludick’s try as well as McLeod’s try? Why did he not call the ARs to assist with the scrum problems? Why did the Kings get away without a yellow or a warning in the first half and then suddenly did he do a complete 180 in the second?
    But I salute David Campo who showed a pair by addressing this question. And NO RESPONSE from the GUTLESS SuperSport presenters!! Even during the game those w**nkers kept on feeding us their lines.
    Come on…Jafta and Supersport, we are not as ill informed about this game as you may think. :twisted:

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.03.13 21:11:09 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • The way everyone is going on about how good the kings did make me sick!!!! They lost Sharks won!!!!! Please tell me how many log points kings got for the game?!?! ZERO!!!!!!! Jafta helped them to stay in the game, without him Sharks would have scored atleast two tries.

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.03.13 21:41:39 by JD Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 94) : the first try was sent upstairs but was ruled forward,which seemed strange as that looked flat at best.but I guess that’s apart of the game.

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.03.13 22:11:06 by shaniboi Reply

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  • Its easy to sit and blame players for kicking and changing their style of play….Lets just ask why would they (three weeks in a row) if thats not their normal style if play?? The only explanation is that it must be the game plan! So they have two choices. 1. Do as the coach says or 2. Don’t play at all. At the end of the day you do as your told to stay in the game. So maybe all the pat haters calling him a blue bull clone should think if they are pointing fingers at the right person…..

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.03.13 22:55:14 by sway Reply

     
  • Geez some of these comments surprise me and I think its because the country hates the Kings and we didnt put 50 past them. In all honesty the Kings did defend very well-whether they can keep that up the entire comp is a nother thing though! I have a feeling that at home the Sharks will look to play attacking rugby but away from home it will be a case of a win is a win and they will look to play more for territory and minimise msitakes. Which isnt a bad idea. No team can go full out every week in this comp, its just not possible.

  • Comment 98, posted at 11.03.13 07:53:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @sway (Comment 97) : I don’t think many people are calling for Pat to be dropped. I personally don’t like his current style of play but it would be daft to drop him.

    We can only point to issues where they show up in the way the team plays. Whether the coaching staff or the player is responsible, in the end the responsibility lies with the coaching staff. They must fix the problems by either changing the game plan, assisting the player if the problem is his, or changing the player if need be.

    So I am laying the blame for this current attacking malaise at the whole team including the coaches, but especially the coaches.

    To be brutally honest we have won two away games, but against the two weakest sides in the SA conference. We have managed to beat one of the strongest sides at home (although if Aplon had held on to the ball it could have been different).

    Our real test will be this weekend when we play the strongest side in the Oz conference.

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.03.13 07:55:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • It does seem Plum appreciates the problems at the moment:

    Plumtree said his team knew they had to score tries to win the competition.

    “We were pretty conservative and it looked like we are bit scared to lose,” said Plumtree.

    “But we have to unleash the demon and start playing some good rugby.

    “In this competition, unless you score some tries you are not going to win it and we know that, and we have some time to fix that up. We will get better.”

    As in their opening match against the Force, the Kings were again superb on defence, which was acknowledged by Plumtree.

    “I don’t want to do the Kings any injustice. They were outstanding in defence. I didn’t think we would run away with it coming down here because Super Rugby is tough and the Kings have a point to prove.

    “They have some proud guys in their team, so let’s give them some credit; we were pretty poor, but they were up for it.”

  • Comment 100, posted at 11.03.13 08:03:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 56) : His name was Jason Jafta…. :evil:

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.03.13 08:53:19 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • This same group of bloggers will be pissed off if we score 4 and more tries next week, but lose.

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.03.13 09:03:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 101) : Certainly dont want to see him reffing any Sharks games again.

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.03.13 09:04:05 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I don’t think it’s all that bad for the Sharks after the first 3 games.

    It was disappointing that we didn’t close out the Cheetahs game with a try, for sure, but we did play good attacking rugby up to that point and looked more dangerous than the Cheetahs did up to the 60 min mark.

    The Stormers game was a very tough one. The defense was excellent and I thought our tactical kicking and clinical set pieces was the two factors that kept us ahead in that game. In previous years we might have scored a few more tries, but lost way more line-outs and maybe not dominated in the scrums, and definitely not territory, thus keeping the Stormers in the game. After the first 15 minutes where they looked good, we completely shut them out. I was impressed.

    Then against the Kings… Why are we expected to smash them? They are South African opposition. They have a lot to play for. Their defense was inspired. Our attack was lacking … for sure, but while we were getting frustrated because we weren’t getting through, the Kings was getting motivated to make even bigger tackles. Will the Chiefs put a few tries away against them? Probably more than a few, but we all know the Sharks aren’t that type of creative team. No South African team are. We out-muscle the opposition in defense and in close (rumbling over defenders) then swing the ball wide when spaces open up.

    I doubt that the Brumbies will trouble this Sharks side. They are playing really good rugby, but please people, just look at the opposition for their games so far. They will be traveling to Kings Park, where the Sharks don’t lose many and they will be playing against one of the stronger teams in the competition.

    I hope we can work on our attack and improve in this area, but I must be honest, I’d rather we continue to concentrate on our set pieces, defense and kicking, than improve on our attacking at the expense of any of these!

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.03.13 09:05:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • I just want to know, how many crappy games does Reinach need to play to actually get the boot? It was pretty obvious AGAIN that when McLeod got onto the field our backs started moving again and our game was free flowing.

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.03.13 09:15:02 by Uli Reply
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  • In the first two weeks everyone was going on about how great the Kiwi teams are and that they are miles ahead of the other two conferences in their standard of play, well I just have to ask, did knowone see their defense. Yes, their scoring more tries and doing more things on the park, but their defense are lacking.

    This weekend Ryan Crotty ran through 3 Hurricanes defeders to score the Crusaders 1st try. Why are saying the Kings won the battle? Because no one gave them a chance to stay in this game and their defense kept them in it right to the end. The Crusaders won’t score that same try against the Kings, and they may still be lacking in other areas, but they are probably miles ahead of all the Ausie teams and most of the kiwi teams when it comes to defense.

    The Chiefs will be a different challenge for them, but I think they will again keep it more respectable than anyone would predict.

    With this conference system one shouldn’t support other SA teams, but 3 out of 3 against Kiwi opposition this weekend, felt really good.

    Keep it up SA teams, the Sharks will just have to play that much harder to stay top of this conference.

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.03.13 09:20:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • Question: Who else thought the Kings would tire and a few gaps would open up?

    One tackle missed. Even with the most unimaginative attack, that’s pretty impressive? And they were driving us back, not just holding on.

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.03.13 09:23:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 107) : I thought if we just kept trying for a few more minutes we would score a try. We did actually manage to breach their defense, and but for a marginal forward pass would have scored a very good try. No complaints about the reffing on that BTW.

    What really annoyed me was how the team just seemed to switch off and go into the shell after having the one try disallowed and the other held up mms from the line.

    I thought this would be the ideal game to work on our attack against a spirited defense. No disrespect to the Kings but they never looked like beating the Sharks.

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.03.13 09:34:14 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 107) : Have to agree on the perception that they would tire and that we would bag a few tries. I believe that this could still have happened but for the fact that Jafta kept them in the game at their most vulnerable moments (scrum time) by penalising us off the park.
    None the less their defence was outstanding.

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.03.13 09:35:51 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 108) : They never tried to beat the Sharks, they tried to keep the score respectable with their defence. They suceeded.

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.03.13 09:40:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I don’t know if I am the only one noticing this, but do the refs still pick up on skew lineout throws. I saw countless throws were the opposition have no chance to compete (ball directly to the lock). It seems to be getting as bad as scrum feeds nowadays.

    The assistant ref is often hardly in a position to judge, as the line out often takes place 1-2 m from where he is standing anyway. Should hookers not be forced to throw from directly where the assistant ref is standing?

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.03.13 09:44:43 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 111) : Yip I also felt a few of those line-outs were a little too skew.

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.03.13 09:51:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @ Letgo, I have to agree, the Kings tackled like daemons, they are defensively very good. I think the fact that we got the win is still better than other years when we went to JHB to drop a game :D

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.03.13 11:00:43 by Uli Reply
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  • Jokes aside, doesn`t anyone else feel its panic station time for us?
    We couldn`t score against the Stormers or the kings, surely it must be cause for concern?

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.03.13 11:12:30 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 114) : In three games (2 against the weakest teams in the SA conference) we have really managed to construct one try (Marcell against the Cheetahs) so far. Mvovo’s try came from him reacting very quickly to a scrappy slap down. We have almost constructed a good try against the Kings bar the forward pass. That is it.

    So not quite panic stations yet – but definitively concerning. We could obviously try the Stormers template from last year and reach the top of the log by hardly scoring any tries.

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.03.13 11:41:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Kings for life!

    no easypeasy points in PE ;)

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.03.13 12:35:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : Yup, and the crowd was fantastic. Just because of the crowd support the Kings deserve inclusion more than the Lions. You’re team is putting up a pretty good show. I hope they are able to keep up that intensity!

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.03.13 12:46:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : Well I am really glad its not ;)

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.03.13 13:40:11 by Uli Reply
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  • Good to see PE is supporting the kings. Megatron just remember king jafta will not always be there to keep you in the games. Hope supporters would stay when they get hammered once or twice and by making 110 odd tackles a game chances are good that will happen come week 9, 10, 11 as the bodies start to hurt from all the games.

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.03.13 17:35:32 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 119) : he missed a lot of your infringements too so let’s not go there…you okes flop all over the breakdown.

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.03.13 17:58:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 120) : Sorry to but it is true he was really bad and should not be allowed to mess up another game. Only thing is two of his mistakes should have been tries for the Sharks and that is 10-14 point that he directly cost the Sharks in the game.

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.03.13 19:48:44 by JD Reply
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