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Sharks player ratings v Crusaders


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 8 Apr 2013 at 10:02
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The problem, of course, with hugely emotional victories over hugely-fancied opposition is that the result itself often tends to overshadow the performance. Giving accurate ratings is tricky at the best of times, because there are so many subjective factors to take into account. Can we really look at the Sharks against the Crusaders and expect the same level of ostentatious brilliance as we saw against the Rebels two weeks before, who frankly forgot to tackle?

What I’m getting at here is that we need to keep a less-than-brilliant first half in mind when we rate the performance, but not be unnecessarily harsh, given that the second half display probably ranks up there with the best we’ve seen from the Sharks, given the quality of the opposition. I’m going to rate the players against the b backdrop of a team rating of 7/10 – that’s basically a first half of 5, and a second half of 9.

1) Beast Mtawarira. Struggled in the scrums at first, before recovering to turn in a dominant display. Played his part in a strong forward showing in the second half. 7/10
2) Kyle Cooper. One or two missed line-outs were the only blot on an otherwise perfect performance. 8/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. Not the sort of dominant display we’d like to see, although a suspicion of dodgy scrumwork from Crocket lingers. Jannie worked hard, but the scrum only started to move forward once Herbst came on. 6/10
4) Pieter-Steph du Toit. If he was as quiet as the other in the first half, then his second half performance was strong enough to blow those memories away. A simply superb showing. Steph has one key thing that many players his age lack – consistency. PURE BOK (and that works in Afrikaans too). 9/10
5) Franco van der Merwe. High work rate, but battled to add any sort of real physical presence. Missed a few line-out balls and conceded a penalty or two as well. 6/10
6) Jacques Botes. Alas, only lasted 16 minutes, but certainly looked alive and up for the challenge while he was on. 7/10
7) Marcell Coetzee. While Steph was doing the flashy stuff, Marcell was doing the grunt work and he never stopped, even for a second, the whole game long. Massive on defence and some lovely support play too. 8/10
8) Keegan Daniel. Seemed like the proverbial “knife in a gunfight” in the first half, but played his role well enough, before marshaling the troops to a rampant second half performance. Great work Skipper. 7/10

9) Cobus Reinach. A lovely game from the main game-breaker in the side. He makes a mistake or two, sure, but has pace and X-factor in absolute abundance. 8/10
10) Patrick Lambie. Kept under pressure in the first half, but managed to weather the storm and distributed beautifully in the second. Make no mistake, though – his cool head under pressure is what won this game for the Sharks. 8/10
11) JP Pietersen. The pick of the Sharks backs. JP got involved in everything and looked hugely threatening with ball in hand, whilst also proving monstrous on defence. Great to see him back in this sort of form – the tries start next week. 9/10
12) Meyer Bosman. A physical threat on defence, which the Saders countered by going outside him. Had little to do with ball in hand, though. 7/10
13) Paul Jordaan. A real mixed bag for the youngster. Jordaan has such undeniable talent with ball in hand, but his propensity to somewhat selfish play and a real inability to link up meaningfully once in space are limiting his effectiveness. Tried hard on defence and apart from one big bump, handled the much-bigger Freuan pretty well. 6/10
14) Odwa Ndungane. An uncomfortable outing for all of the men in big numbers. Odwa was caught at sixes and sevens in the build-up to the Andy Ellis try and in pulling his hammie as part of that movement, never featured in the game afterwards. Has looked out of sorts in both of his starts to date and some questions will now be asked. 5/10
15) Frans Steyn. A positional switch has done little to counter the malaise, I fear. Out of position, error-prone and ineffective – I think that about sums up his evening at fullback. 4/10

16) Craig Burden. Not on long enough to rate.
17) Wiehahn Herbst. A great cameo, with the cherry on top being a Herbst-inspired “walk backwards” of the Crusaders scrum. 8/10
18) Anton Bresler. Added huge impetus when he came on and made the mouth water just the little at the prospect of the physicality that a Bresler-du Toit combo could bring for the Sharks. 8/10
19) Ryan Kankowski. A very busy game from the Hoff, who wasn’t afforded any space, but tried t take the direct route whenever he could. 7/10
20) Charl McLeod. A solid, if unspectacular, showing from the veteran scrumhalf. 7/10
21) Riaan Viljoen. Unused
22) S’bura Sithole. So many people are so firmly behind this lad, simply willing him to take the step up and do well – unfortunately, it simply isn’t happening yet. As a top winger, you simply have to be able to finish opportunities and Sithole’s tendency to get his positioning wrong and knock on as a result is making that impossible for him. 4/10



74 Comments

  • Rob in all fairness, I just want to know, did you not see the mistakes Reinach made?

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.04.13 10:07:08 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 1) : I acknowledged that he made some mistakes.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.04.13 10:09:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Plum will have to make some serious choices this coming week regarding 14 and 15.

    So chuffed that PSdT and Cooper are doing so well.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.04.13 10:10:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Cooper ,Du Toit and Coetzee were huge. They leveled any Crusader that popped up in that breakdown. I want to see Herbst get more and more game time.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.04.13 10:17:12 by Talent Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 1) : But he has improved drastically since the start of the season…

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.04.13 10:18:09 by Talent Reply
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  • Reinach needs to work on the accuracy of his box kicks. Pretty much every time he just handed possession back to the Crusaders back 3 by kicking too deep.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.04.13 10:18:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Mostly agree Bertie. I thought the scrum issues in the first half were only on the TH side and that Beast scrummed well throughout. But think the rest is spot on.

    I must admit I had some lineout concerns for a PSDT/ Bresler combination, but the second half made a mockery of that reservation. However, I think the one thing more I would like to see from PSDT is more responsibility at lineout time. Im sure that this is already planned as part of his development.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.04.13 10:20:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Paul Jordaan hasn’t impressed me this year. How often do you see him pass the ball forward? His tackling has improved but he still gets caught out when cross covering bigger outside backs ,he needs to learn to tackle ankles.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.04.13 10:21:16 by Talent Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 7) : interesting that PS went to 5 when Anton came on… Perhaps a sign that he can be that middle jumper and can take the calling responsibility? He did the calling when Franco went off. Has a very high little voice for such a big unit.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.04.13 10:29:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 5) : I don’t agree totally. I saw at least 5 big mistakes he made, and his passing game is a bigger problem for me. He made some terrible passes yet again, that reminded me of the CC final.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.04.13 10:30:27 by Uli Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 8) : I agree there, maybe have him as a sub?

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.04.13 10:32:15 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Then why the high rate when you know he made mistakes?

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.04.13 10:35:06 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 10) : Uli, fair to say you have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to Cobus? It’s not hard to find negative comments you’ve made about him over the last few months… ;-)

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.04.13 10:46:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think Frans’s problem has a lot to do with attitude. When a guy stops pulling up his socks (literally) it looks like he is thinking “f*ck it”

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.04.13 10:50:28 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : lol, ok I will withhold future comments on him :)
    Just don’t give him good ratings when he played average ;) hehe

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.04.13 10:56:12 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 15) :
    He didnt play average. Like Bokhoring mentioned, his tactical kicking needs work, but like PSDT and taking ownership of the lineouts, these youngsters are works in progress (same with Jordaan).

    As much as I have always backed Sbura, the issue with him is that he hasnt kicked on despite time to work on his weaknesses. But we must also give them time.

    I have previously expressed concern about Cobus’ kicking and his general play up to the Brumbies game, but he is one for the future.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.04.13 11:04:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 14) : oh dear…. the socks thing. Do we have another Chadwick on our hands?

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.04.13 11:04:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : Yea, it looked terrible.

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.04.13 11:04:58 by Uli Reply
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  • I had high hopes for Jordaan at 13, but was concerned with his size. He has failed to make an impact this year and Fruean embarassed him with the ease with which he ran over Jordaan once and then handed him off with ease the second time.

    Jordaan is great with ball in hand but lacks the physicality to impose himself both on attack and in defence. My guess is that he would be better off on the wing.

    Great performance by the Sharks, great to see JP back and PSDT was once again huge. Would like to see him move to 5, which is where the Boks will need him. For the Sharks, Bresler at 4 and PSDT at 5 is a must.

    Coetzee, Cooper, Beast, Daniel, Reinach and Lambie also had great games.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.04.13 11:05:33 by Saffex Reply

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  • Sharks simply have to persevere with S’bura now. It’s a risk, but a risk worth taking. They need to be very clear with him, though, about the aspects of his game that need to see improvement

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.04.13 11:05:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 16) : Passing? quickness at rucks? more important for me. But that’s just me.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.04.13 11:06:12 by Uli Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : I don’t think people realize how important Tim Whitehead is to getting our backs going. He is the reason Paul was so great last year.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.04.13 11:07:46 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : sorry dumb question but is Sbura the same guy who scored that try against Aus in the 7s a while ago?

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.04.13 11:10:15 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : I agree re Bresler/du Toit. To my mind, it doesn’t matter who wears which number either, because both are nice and physical, but can do a job in the lineouts too.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.04.13 11:11:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 24) : Yeah was good to see PSDT calling the shots in the line-outs. Lets hope we see Bresler in for Franco as I just do not get what Plum sees in this guy. I’d have Jandre Marais on the bench.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.04.13 11:15:37 by Saffex Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 23) : Yes that was him, it was an awesome try

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.04.13 11:16:18 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 22) : Yeah Whitehead was great this time last year. He struggled to regain that form after his injury.

    The issue with Jordaan is his size, he was owned by Fruean on the weekend and that was concerning. You cant have your 13 brushed aside like that

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.04.13 11:18:21 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 27) : I totally agree, maybe Frans should go play 13? Fruean made the whole sharks team look bad , but Jordaan looked the worst off by some margin.
    Who else would you pick at 13?

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.04.13 11:24:27 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 21) :
    Lots of people focus on the scrumhalf when their are issues like that when in fact your ruck technique and attendance and backline alignment has a helluva lot to do with it.

    Given our improvement there over the last few weeks, I expect Reinach to improve. The depth and variety on attack in the 2nd half was the best I have seen from us in years. I think the tries will start to come soon.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.04.13 11:24:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 29) : Well lets hope so. I am worried about his pass, he either passes to high or to low to Lambie and that puts huge pressure on him.

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.04.13 11:27:44 by Uli Reply
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  • What contingency plan do the brains trust have for fullback if Plum thinks that FS has a future in midfield? I know Tim Whitehead is on the way back and LL will be out for 3 months. Do we put Lambie, JP or Viljoen at 15? Meyer can cover flyhalf. All these decisions!!! :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.04.13 11:28:16 by markm Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 27) : With big guys like Fruean you need to get him around the ankles. The problem was in the first 25 minutes they stood back and allowed him to build up speed – then very few SA centres would stop him in his tracks.

    In the second half Fruean was pretty quiet – compared to the first half.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.04.13 11:28:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 28) : The option is playing JP at 13, I liked him there when he played there last year for the Sharks.

    I’d also like to see young Tyler Fisher given a run at 13, by all accounts a class act playing in the VC side and should be a star in this years Baby Bok side.

    Frans lacks the speed for 13.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.04.13 11:32:20 by Saffex Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 14) : Reinach also wore his socks down. I

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.04.13 11:35:29 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 32) : Problem is, that most 13′s these days are big lumps…..Ranger, the Brumbies 13, Fruean, Ashley Cooper etc.

    Little guys like Jordaan and de Jongh are able to execute low open field tackles, the issue arises in traffic, when these small guys are confronted head on. The same happens in attack, these small guys are able to dance their way around players in space, but are unable to impose themselves physically in traffic.

    The modern game dictates that centres find themselves in traffic most of the time – space is at a premium. I think Jordaan is too small for 13 at this level

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.04.13 11:39:48 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 33) : Defensively JP was at sixes and sevens last year at 13. As good as he is in defence at wing, I think his height and front on tackling technique does not work at 13. I recall him a few times doing trying to grab players around the shoulders, and then simply run through his arms.

    I would not stuff up one of the best wings in SA by playing him out of position. If at all I reckon he could be devastating from 15.

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.04.13 11:47:13 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 36) : Yeah many wings struggle to adjust to the defensive role at 13. JJ Engelbrecht had that issue initially but seems to have sorted his defensive work out at 13.

    JP is a good defender and would work things out for himself at 13. He also tended to rush out of the defensive line last year. But I did not think he was that bad defensively at 13.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.04.13 11:56:53 by Saffex Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 31) : Where do you get that Plum thinks Frans has a future in the midfield – I for one hope this is the case as he is wasted at 15, was unfairly bashed for his showings at 12, considering the rest of the Sharks side was not firing at the time.

    I also see little value in Bosman at 12

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.04.13 11:59:26 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 38) : and yet you hide it so well…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.04.13 12:02:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 34) : ja he did. It looks [email protected] hey. Im not too worried about steyn though. He will find form soon. He has to

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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Ja boet!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.04.13 12:36:13 by Saffex Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 40) : It does look ugly – Frans will find form…. like the other guys he is human too.

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.04.13 12:37:23 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 10) : Now that I think of it his passing wasnt great ,but that’s the trade off you make with trying to play the ball quicker. I have no doubt its something that will improve with game time and senior rugby exposure.

    @Saffex (Comment 19) : One just has to look at Conrad Smith to see a 13 doesnt need power and size .Slight of hand is the most important asset for a 13 ,something he lacks though :roll:

    @Big Fish (Comment 29) : Spot on !The way we brutally cleaned the rucks this weekend will result in poor ball management, regardless of how well placed the ball is or how small the gate has been made

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.04.13 13:07:24 by Talent Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 29) : Also the Crusaders have a cynical game plan at the breakdown ,they always seem to be obstructing cleaners or the scrumhalves pass some how…

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  • @Talent (Comment 43) : Well Conrad Smith is no bruizer but at 94kg he is not small. He is an intelligent player who runs great lines and has the art of support play down to a T

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.04.13 13:15:58 by Saffex Reply

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  • Comment 46, posted at 08.04.13 15:31:09 by tigershark Reply

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  • Im not an expert on centre play but what about frans at 12 and bosman at 13.Atleast Bosman is big and he can distribute and then you have Jordaan for winger.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.04.13 15:33:54 by tigershark Reply

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  • @tigershark (Comment 47) : I think Bosman is more suited to 12. Ive been wrong before though

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  • @Talent (Comment 48) : Cant see bosman doing worse than jordaan.But like I said, im no expert.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.04.13 15:51:32 by tigershark Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 43) : mmm, I don’t know about quicker, for me he gets the ball out very slow or gets to the rucks very slow….

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.04.13 15:53:59 by Uli Reply
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  • I see Fransie as a 12 – he would have been sublime against the Saders if it was a year ago. Give a chap a gap ek sê!

    I’m pretty stoked with our young guns! And off course I have to say – Marcell tackling the living daylights out, made my day! :grin:

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.04.13 16:59:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 35) : There is no minimum size in rugby…the guy is only 5kg lighter than O’Driscoll.
    Keegan was the best SA loose forward last year (yes he was) and he is apparently ‘te klein vir rugby’. Shane Williams IRB player of year and he weighed 80kg. Matt Giteau is another prime example.
    Just because our Bok coach wont give smaller (better) guys a chance at International level, DOES NOT mean they cant do it.

    TECHNIQUE TECHNIQUE TECHNIQUE!!!

    Frans Steyn was kak last year and so far this…everyone has noticed it (not that I was ever a fan).

    @robdylan : And Rob I get what youre saying about Reinach. Has ability to break a game, but in such a crucial position I feel you need class and consistency – both tactically and skillfully. Something I havnt seen in a Sharks scrumhalf since Kockott/Pienaar.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.04.13 17:23:50 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • My team for the Stormertjies…

    1. Beast
    2. Cooper
    3. Jannie/Herbst
    4. Bresler
    5. Steph
    6. Keegan
    7. Coetzee
    8. KANKO
    9. Reinach/McLeod
    10. Lambie
    11. Pietersen
    12. Bosman
    13. Jordaan
    14. ????
    15. ????

    Slight worry in those last two. Id go Viljoen and Sbura but not sure

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.04.13 17:26:44 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • Glad to see you had PSDT as one of the two highest rated players Rob!

    I know popular sentiment wants to give this to Lambie having scored all the points, but as mentioned at the time, kicking goals is his job. Not that he was kak, or even average – Lambie was pretty good – but PSDT was the stand-out player for the team on the day.

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.04.13 18:13:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @tigershark (Comment 47) : You need pace and skill at 13, Bosman has neither

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.04.13 18:39:27 by Saffex Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 52) : You are wrong size counts these days in test rugby and that is more prevalent these days than it was 5 years ago.

    5kg’s is plenty when it comes to a back. Jordaan is too small for centre, O’Driscoll at 95kg is not. Shane Williams was good but he would not play ahead of Cuthbert and North if he was a young man today.

    Daniel at 100kg is big enough for an open side flanker, I dont buy into him being an 8 at all.

    In the modern game, where much of a centres time is spent in traffic, he needs both skill and size to make an impression. One only needs to look at the size of todays test centres to confirm this. And by today, I mean this year, not two years ago.

    The modern test centres are big….Frans, Jean, Fourie, SBW, Smith, Nonu, Ranger, Ashley Cooper, McCabe, Tuilangi, Barritt, Twelvetrees, Roberts, Davies, Williams, O’Driscoll, Marshall, Basteraud, Fritz, Rougerie, Jouzione etc

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.04.13 20:02:36 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 56) : Get out of here :lol: half of them you mentioned are horribly out of form ,a bunch of has beens or yet to bes, one doesn’t even play Rugby Union anymore.

    None of those have the slight of hand and guile that a player like Conrad Smith has.

    Daniel is more an 8 than he is an openside flanker.

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.04.13 20:54:07 by Talent Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 56) : Smith isnt big…

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 53) : :twisted: I must agree with a lot of these sentiments. There are a few guys in our team who are playing themselves out of Springbok contention. And that is sad to see.
    Jordaan (who I rate) has been found short on defence during the Brumbies game when the big loosie targeted him. The Saders just followed up on that. Both teams targeted Jordaan and Lambie with big guns and will every week from now on. Both their forward passes stemmed from watching the approaching defender.
    Odwa needs more game time and must be included in the VC to see if he still has the requirements before playing SR.
    I rate McLeod highly as a scrumhalf and would start the games mostly with him. Cobus is still very young and needs to be nurtured. I love it when he is employed as an impact player. He can play at least 15 – 25 minutes per game and will then set the house on fire. McLeod gets the ball away well and is mostly a distributor and as the opposition gets used to covering out wide Cobus should deliver a couple of sniping runs. McLeod MUST start against the Stormers!
    Jannie needs some time off to build up strenght and clear his mind. Experiment with Dell on the bench in local derbies and see?
    Sorry, but Lambie needs to move to FB and Bosman to flyhalf for the time being. As Frans is mentaly set-up to play centre and not FB.

    Cooper, Marcell and PsdT are hungry and going well. Rotate PsdT on 7 until Deysel is back and we have plenty of lineout options as a bonus.
    Bring Hadebe onto the bench and experiment with Burden on 12 centre. As this is where he started his rugby?? :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.04.13 22:37:20 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 57) : Most of those centres are current test centres. SBW might be playing league, but he was the best of the lot and much of that had to do with his physicality. Conrad Smith is not small at 94kg.

    Daniel is no 8. The reason he was discarded as a Bok was because he was exposed for his lack of physicality at 8. You dont get test 8′s weighing 100kg for a reason. They provide no grunt at the back of the scrum. Daniel is a great link player as he has the skills of a back – he is far too small for 8

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.04.13 23:17:30 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 58) : At 94g he is not small either

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  • @Saffex (Comment 61) : Please I beg you never coach.

    Michael Hooper owned Alberts, Vermeulen and Potgieter or whoever it was in Perth and was 2nd only to McCaw on form for loosies last year.

    Daniel found out physically?? Do you not actually realize that he played 40 min and they never used him?? Please I beg you – NEVER COACH THE SHARKS OR SPRINGBOKS. I LIKE THESE TEAMS

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.04.13 01:33:54 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 60) : This is the point that you are missing and I quote the great Ray Mordt here, “Rugby is a physical sport, BUT ONLY WHEN NECESSARY!”

    Heinrich Brussow is 100kg and small for a loosie. And in fact he dominated the greatest Opensider of the generation who has a good 5kg on him as well..HE OWNED AT INTERNATIONAL LEVEL BEFORE HEYNE GAVE HIM THE FINGER.

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.04.13 04:48:30 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 59) : If there is one thing I refuse is to put Lambie at #15 :-) !!!

    Because unlike the Aussies, we cant play players around the backline without stuffing them around (Russell, Pienaar, Steyn, etc.). The Aussies can have O’Connor, Beale, Ashley-Cooper, Barnes anywhere in the backs and they will do well, but we know why that is. THEY DONT HAVE FIXED INSTRUCTIONS FOR EACH POSITION – they play what is in front of them…

    All that being said. Lambie is a good fullback

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.04.13 05:01:37 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 59) :
    Ever heard the saying “if it aint broke dont fix it”?

    How does our record this season justify the wholesale changes you propose? I think in general we are being too hard on our team.

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.04.13 07:53:03 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 61) : Listen ,I don’t favor smaller players. I know that a player should be graded and compared to another based on his core positional skills-these may differ between you and I.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.04.13 10:17:22 by Talent Reply
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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 62) : I do coach and have been for the last 6 years. But dont worry its a club side in England, that my son plays for and they are only U16……but unbeaten!!

    You miss my point, I have no issue with a player like Hooper at 6, he is the perfect size for 6. My issue with Daniel is that he is too small for 8. He is fine for 6. You dont select 100kg players at 8.

    Meyer dropped Daniel because of his failure in the physical stakes – it was poor of Meyer to expect him to make an impact physically at 8. It would have been a different story had Meyer selected Daniel at 6

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.04.13 11:29:35 by Saffex Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 63) : Mordt was a class act in his day, one of my favourites of all time and he was all about physicality. But the game has moved on somewhat sinse his playing day.

    Defences are so well organised, that space at the highest level is at a premium, much of todays rugby is played in traffic. You need skill and size to make an impression.

    I have no issue with Brussouw at 100kg playing 6, but he would be no good at 7 or 8

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.04.13 11:33:34 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 66) : I’m just referencing the modern test trend where players are bigger. Your test wings, fullbacks and centres tend to weigh over 95kg’s these days.

    The game is physically brutal these days and there is no space to dance around players……you need skill and physicality to impose yourself

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.04.13 11:37:16 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 68) : well we shall agree to disagree then. at least your not blatantly arrogant like some dudes on Sport24….
    But now let me pose this question:
    - would u stand a better chance in tackling Gio Aplon at full flight or Willem Alberts on the run??

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.04.13 12:24:33 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 70) : I’d rather smash little Aplon than have the huge Alberts charge at me.

    Aplon is great in space, you dont get space in test match rugby – and if you do, its very little

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.04.13 13:27:52 by Saffex Reply

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  • @SAFFEX….
    But can you catch him if the space was created??

    The idea, from my perspective, is to create space. The ABs and Aussies do it all the time…by creativity and deception

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.04.13 15:20:31 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 72) : No, I would not get a finger on Paulse. You will be surprised to learn how little space the AB’s and Aussies do create when they play eachother or the Boks

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.04.13 15:54:21 by Saffex Reply

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  • As evidenced by the fact that we lost to the Wallies 5 times in a row – most were by decent margins.

    And by the often tight scorelines vs the ABs. on avg. they win by +7 margins against us…cant deny it.

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.04.13 05:46:25 by pienaar111 Reply

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