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Sharks player ratings v Highlanders


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 May 2013 at 08:00
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Another performance that vacillated between utterly superb and utter dross, but again the result was the same for the Sharks. With no wins at all in their last four outings, the writing on the wall is now starting to be underlined. The team performance this week warrants around 6 out of 10, so let’s see how the individuals did.

1) Wiehahn Herbst. Continues to impress out of position at loose head. Was never bested by the vastly experienced Chris King and did a huge amount of work in the loose as well. 7/10
2) Kyle Cooper. Lost one lineout throw, but was otherwise superb at set piece time. As a primary ball carrier, didn’t make quite as many metres as we would have liked, but worked hard and always retained possession. 7/10
3) Jannie du Plessis. A rock at scrum time and did reasonably well in other areas of the game. 6/10
4) Pieter-Steph du Toit. Another gigantic performance from a gigantic player, despite his age. He overshadowed veteran All Black hard man Brad Thorne in every possible department. 9/10
5) Franco van der Merwe. Did a fair bit of carrying and support work, and lineouts were solid. Missed a few too many tackles though. 6/10
6) Keegan Daniel. The mojo simply isn’t there at the moment and the captain was ineffective, both as a player and as a leader. Hard to argue that his place in the side is warranted on current form. 3/10
7) Marcell Coetzee. Asked to switch roles repeatedly throughout the game, he delivered a solid utility performance. Remains predictable with ball in hand, but continues to tackle out of his boots every week. 6/10
8) Tera Mtembu. Didn’t, unfortunately, last long enough to have any meaningful impact. 5/10

9) Charl McLeod. Service was generally good, but options occasionally were off, particularly when he tried to break when nothing was on. 6/10
10) Pat Lambie. A decent performance with some neat touches. Was huge on defence, but needed some more accuracy with his kicking out of hand. 7/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. He slotted right back in and immediately looked dangerous. A wonderful game from a player whose absence has been sorely felt. 8/10
12) Meyer Bosman. The pick of the Sharks backs by a considerable distance. 9/10
13) Frans Steyn. Continues to regain form, but alas appeared to suffer yet another serious injury. He was good in the time he was on the field. 6/10
14) JP Pietersen. A quiet first half marred by a silly yellow card. Stepped it up in the second and started to look more like his dangerous self. 6/10
15) Riaan Viljoen. Safe as houses at the back and tried a few runs, none of which amounted to much, unfortunately. 7/10

16) Craig Burden. Unused
17) JC van Rensburg. Had little chance to get into the game and had no real impact. 5/10
18) Anton Bresler. Unused
19) Jean Deysel. Added the needed muscle when coming on and immediately had a galvanising effect on those around him. 7/10
20) Derick Minnie. Started well, as he spoiled at the breakdown effectively, but poor discipline saw him get on the wrong side of the ref and he had to be pulled to save him from himself. 4/10
21) Tian Meyer. Unused
22) Piet Lindeque. Suffered from bad nerves and grassed too many balls. He’ll need to bounce back with a strong performance next week. 3/10



59 Comments

  • i think minnie deserved a 2 sorry but did nothing for me except give away penalties.daniel needs an extended run on the bench just 2 many mistakes.for me at the end the boys looked like they lost the passion and hunger to win everything was just slow and body language was not good

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.05.13 08:11:06 by Poisy Reply
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  • I think McLeod can get another 1 point just for accurate passing. Something that’s been lacking.

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.05.13 08:16:16 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 2) : see what competion for places does :) brings out the best in everyone if the coach has the balls to drop you for not performing sadly daniel is getting a free ride at the moment

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.05.13 08:19:07 by Poisy Reply
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  • if we need to single out one player as the fault for the loss, then it has to be Daniel. It just look like he isn’t enjoying his rugby at the moment. For the next game, Plum needs to start Deysel and hand over the captaincy to him. Maybe a couple of games relieved of the pressure of captaincy will help Daniel. One thing that Bosman did that I really noticed was that he is probably the only player to target the outside shoulder of the tackler.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.05.13 08:20:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I think 3 is a bit generous for Keegan Daniel. If Kankowski was left at home for lack of form Keegan should have also been left at Kings Park.

    More stupid decisions and a general lack of effectiveness.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.05.13 08:25:20 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • All forwards need to be docked at least a point for being unable to retain the kickoffs. That is where they let the Highlanders back in the game.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.05.13 08:26:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I’ll deduct 1 point on Charl, JUST for kicking possession away that lead to a try from the Landers. For no bloddy reason…

    Meyer was superb!

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.05.13 08:28:50 by Ice Reply
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  • On the positive side all 3 tries were really well worked, and the Sharks have actually been able to maintain possession for more than 3 phases. Granted against not the best breakdown specialists in the business, but then again been officiated by Stevo who had his usual home-pleasing inconsistent performance at the breakdown.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.05.13 08:29:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 8) : that’s true, all tries were either hard graft or pure vision (the Mvovs try).

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.05.13 08:33:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) :

    I don’t agree Poisy. I don’t think the guys lacked ANY passion. The execution wasn’t great at times but you can’t fault the passion IMO.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.05.13 08:34:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 10) : I agrEe Pokkel – I think they really put all in. Like u say, perhaps not execute it, but I reckon they tried!

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.05.13 08:43:51 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 9) : that Mvovo try was amazing.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.05.13 08:44:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 7) : I don’t agree, then our “other” scrummy should be kicked from the team for ever for costing us the CC

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.05.13 08:48:46 by Uli Reply
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  • Meyer Bosman a 9?! – did you discuss that with saffex? :lol:

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.05.13 08:51:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 13) :we are talking ratings on this game Uli. There was NO need for Mcleod to kick there as we were well on attack. It was an aimless kick and it costed us. It was clear at that point what we could do with keeping the ball and he opted for a silly kick. That’s my opinion.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.05.13 08:54:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 15) : Yes I know it wasn’t a great kick. But you cant only blame him? Surely the whole team is to blame for their bad tackling and not putting pressure on the catcher at the time? Just saying. That is like saying because Lambie missed his kicks at poles he needs 3 deducted as he cost us the game?

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.05.13 08:58:51 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 16) : I don’t blame him for the game Uli, in a situation where everyone can see our defense slipped and we are making points when we have the ball, I found it a silly option to give possesion away. For a 29 year old veteran, that should have been easy to grasp. I am just saying it was a REAL bad move that costed 7 points directly afterwards.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.05.13 09:04:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) : I’ll take on Saffex for this game on Bosman! :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.05.13 09:05:30 by Ice Reply
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  • It’s like 2010 all over again…..which means we’ll be winning the CC again… :grin:

    …when we should have won the SR trophy :|

    Plum might suffer a similar fate to the Lions last year. The year he really needed to win the cup, injuries as never experienced before plagues the team and he’ll probably hand in his resignation at the end of this season.

    Btw, is there any relationship between the untimely resignation of the former Sharks doctor and all these injuries? I’m sure there’s a conspiracy theory in there somewhere?

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.05.13 09:05:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Well weighted kick from Lambie, excellent chase by Bosman, super pace by Mvovo.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.05.13 09:20:41 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 20) : it was a thing of true beauty!!

    Even Bosmans try, Frans timing to pass was perfect! Drew 2 defenders, pop it out and KABOOM! SCORE!

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.05.13 09:23:56 by Ice Reply
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  • Interesting that no one takes Lambie on for not kicking that penalty out with a few minutes to go. In my book that deserves being docked a point. It must have really taken the wind out of the teams sails. :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.05.13 09:31:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 17) : Agree to some extend. But dont forget our backs are actually running “freely” again, something that’s been lacking with our other scrummy. I have said this before McLoed is not perfect but he doesn’t get enough credit for being quickly at the rucks and getting the ball out quickly and having a accurate pass. Since he has returned Lambie is showing is old self again.

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.05.13 09:35:25 by Uli Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 22) : Oh ja!! I forgot about that!

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.05.13 09:35:39 by Ice Reply
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  • We were way better with ball in hand, but way too soft on defense. Not just unorganized, but soft. We didn’t hit them back when we had the chance and really put pressure on them when we defended. And we tried our best at the breakdown, but all our guys seemed out of their league.

    I thought Keegan tried valiantly to fill the role of open side, even when Minnie came on you didn’t see him in the backs nearly as much as previous games, but he was just ineffective at what he did.

    Marcell was way better, but still needs to sharpen up his handling and think about an offload or a pass to mix up his game.

    I still feel like our forwards demand the ball too much. Kyle in the second last phase of the game, came in between Lambie and Lindique, where Lambie would have had to attempt to float the ball over his head to get the ball to Lindque, where Bosman, Keegan and I think Viljoen had a big overlap on the Highlanders defense.

    I suppose you can also say Lambie should have looked to his backs, but I find that our forwards blocks the option. In other words they don’t make the run and except the dummy, they make the run and wait in between the passer and the backline until the ball goes to them.

    I blame Lambie and Kyle, had that ball gone to Lindique we would have gone over the line untouched.

    And the Highlanders was half a step offside at every ruck in those final seconds.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.05.13 09:39:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 22) : He did a few great things in the game, but there was a couple of things that he’ll be disappointing with. He tried to cut to much of with that kick, which is very unlike him, but I suppose that happens when a team is on the backfoot all the time.

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.05.13 09:43:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • Whoa, I don’t always comment on this site but I do visit it everyday as a die hard Sharks supporter and I am not just reading the articles but also the comments. If you take our history in SR and place it in a simple line graph you could have predicted this season’s performances, one good season is always followed by two average to poor ones. This is based on a team/union that is rudderless because they don’t have that proud championship winning culture, we had our chances to become such a team and we will get more opportunities in the future. We seem to get things right in some seasons and then think we have the formula all we need to do is built on it and this is what is our undoing, we accept a semi-finals or runners-up tag as being good enough. Anyone that calls him/herself a die hard Sharks Supporter will by now know that you support the Sharks per game and not per season, the only one that didn’t get that memo is Mr Plumtree who is still going on about “the season this and the season that”. 15 injuries is not a freak of nature, the guys is either under-conditioned or their hearts is not fully in to it and I as is the case with many of you played in my days and if you are not all there come kick off the tackles and collisions is just that much harder. The Bulls and Crusaders actually have poor sides this season compared what they usually field but they have a winning culture so they have something to fall back on, ditto with the Brumbies and Blues all Jake White and John Kirwan had to do is get a group of youngsters and get them to believe again. When we get our opportunity again and we will the guys must decide how history will remember them……….At this stage it is only as bridesmaids and that is even if history will remember us.

    Try and look for improvements is the basics and small fractions of our game, per game and forget about this season. We need a foundation to work from not a game plan as game plans needs to be adapted PER GAME not per season.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.05.13 09:43:57 by Bakmister Reply

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  • O and Rob, didn’t we play the Crusaders 4 games back? Which would make this 3 loses in a row and 4 losses from 5. I know it’s not really better, but still.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.05.13 09:44:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Bakmister (Comment 27) : Hey, welcome.

    I couldn’t predict this season, I thought we would do really well until the Brumbies loss. Something felt wrong after that game and it’s not just injuries to key players.

    I don’t know that the players’ hearts aren’t in it, that’s such a harsh thing to say and when you do usually has nothing to back it up. They guys looks gutted to me after every loss.

    But when things go wrong we all have our theories and usually commitment and team unity are at the top of the list. Then the Sharks were accused of the same things at the same time last year, yet came back after the June tours that it’s still hard to believe that, that could really have been the issue in the first place.

    Right now I’m just hoping for the best for the guys each games, our backs are against the wall and I think it sucks for them as much as it do for us.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.05.13 09:57:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) : I guess it was a bit tuff what I said. I was in a team that went from chumps to champs and back to chumps till the club closed down a season later, so I tried to relate what my experience was back then, sorry if it came out all wrong. I seriously doubt the Sharks will close down so there is probably no comparison to start with

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.05.13 10:05:27 by Bakmister Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : Good observation, the attacking structure needed that variation. Setting up phases and generating momentum for eg Cooper needs to be there, but in try scoring positions we need to flick the switch. Reverting to the pick and go and bashing it up with the forwards is the wrong option when the opposition is prospering when spoiling at the breakdown. The space was one outwide, and it was just hands. So frustrating!

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.05.13 10:06:11 by neilster Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 26) : I havent watched the game properly, having worked on Saturday, but caught that passage of play. In that situation it was almost criminal not finding touch but it is also understandable wanting to get as close to that 5 meter line as possible. I have heard that Patrick was good as a whole during the game and that is a huge positive.

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.05.13 10:06:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Bakmister (Comment 30) :
    It’s only harsh because we don’t know. But it is a valid observation, especially since you are drawing from your own experiences.

    And certainly when a good team starts to loose games that they should be winning (again, even with the injuries), one always tends to ask these questions.

    I myself feel that Plumtree has always shown an inadequacy at adapting. He needs a certain type of player to play to a certain type of game plan otherwise he seems stuck and out of ideas. Once the players that can execute his game plan comes back we always look better and once the team performs better players automatically gets motivated.

    Just as you need a different game plan for every game, like you said, you need a different game plan for every player or combination. Plum might be trying to adapt, but based on evidence of the what the guys are doing on the field, he’s really not doing a very good job of it.

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.05.13 10:26:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • On the whole, a pretty good performance. However, Daniel’s position as both captain and starter is hard to justify. We are missing leadership in this team.

    @Bakmister (Comment 27) :
    You make some very good points.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.05.13 10:48:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Bakmister (Comment 27) :
    ” 15 injuries is not a freak of nature, the guys is either under-conditioned or their hearts is not fully in to it and I as is the case with many of you played in my days and if you are not all there come kick off the tackles and collisions is just that much harder. ”

    I think there is something to this comment. I don’t think the guys are just breaking down, I strongly suspect that a lot of them are playing with injuries that have never healed properly. That would explain why the timing of our players returning from injury is so inconsistent with the injury reports we’re getting.
    I’m also starting to suspect that our strength and conditioning is not where it should be. It was alarming to see how the forwards were puffing at about the 60 minute mark.

    Are our players strong enough? Are they fit enough? And have they recovered enough from the old injuries?

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.05.13 11:35:32 by josefgremlin Reply

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  • In general I think that your ratings are way too high across the board given the quality of the opposition – this is a weak Highlanders side that had lost all eight games to date and performances need to be evaluated in that context.

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.05.13 12:40:59 by steve Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 16) : You need to get over your blind hatred for Reinach. Face it, he’s better than McLeod already and with so much potential to improve.

    Not blaming him for the game, but I seem to remember Charl trying to take on 2 defenders when attempting to run out of our 22. He lost the ball and ultimately they got a try. Obviously not all his fault, our defenders should have stopped them, but with Lambie available on his right shoulder we should be facing a lineout on halfway. Not defending in our 22.

    Cobus Reinach is here to stay. And most of us are happy for it. :smile:

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.05.13 13:01:37 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • I have to say sorry. Its my fault the Sharks are like this. It happens to teams i support in Super Rugby. Just look at the Lions :razz:

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.05.13 13:06:46 by Mutley Reply
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  • :twisted: No one in this team deserves less than 8.
    They played their hearts out and laid their bodies on the line. Most made some errors and we clould have won this. A draw was on the cards but they stuck to the effort to win it with a bonus point try.
    I am very proud of this effort! I loved the game plan and playing the NZ at pace! Well done boys!
    PROUD TO BE A SHARK!! :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.05.13 13:14:17 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 38) : Can you start supporting all Australian and New Zealand teams please? ;-)

    They need your support!

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.05.13 13:18:06 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 39) : I agree with their decision to go for the try. We need as many points as possible. We already had 1 point, a draw would have got another but a win would have got 4 more!

    Just a shame our execution and let’s be honest, some of Steve’s refereeing of the breakdown let us down in the end! :sad:

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.05.13 13:21:21 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 39) : I knew there was a reason why I liked u. That was my opinion after the game – and that was perhaps why I was not totally dissapointed as some of the other supporters. I really thought they tried.

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.05.13 13:33:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 37) : You obviously seem to think the Sharks back line functions best with Reinach playing? Maybe you the blind man sitting next to the field each week hoping for tries to be scored. I did not even want to mention Reinach’s name, but now you arrive here like some hero sent from mars to come and attack me. Just like you have a opinion I have one. So go suck it! If you dont like what I have to say DON’T READ IT! as easy as that. The obvious is that McLeod has its faults but its more obvious that he is at each ruck faster than Reinacht gving our backs more time to play. He has a more solid and pin point pass than Reinact, that in its self is enough to warrant him to rather start than Reinach in my opinion, since this is the BASICS any scrummy needs to be able to do first. He cant do it so why there is so much euphoria around Reinach is beyond me. Maybe McLeod’s dad should have played Springbok for everyone to look past his mistakes.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.05.13 14:06:27 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 43) :
    Calm down Charl.

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.05.13 14:11:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 44) : :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.05.13 14:59:23 by steve Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) :

    Another thing that Lambie needs to work on is getting the ball into the stands when kicking for territory. He kicks nice long line kicks that just go out but then it means that he gives the other team the opportunity to take a quick throw-in. Rather kick shorter and make sure the other team can’t throw in quickly.

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.05.13 15:03:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 46) : I agree to an extend, but have u noticed that unlike our opposition in I don’t know how many games now, we have nobody from the backline chasing the kick to avoid a quick throw-in. Its actually somrthing I mentioned to my hgubby over the weekend.

    Our oppo chase the ball and prevent quick play. We take a jog and a stroll, not giving our players a good few seconds to settle down again and regroup.

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.05.13 15:15:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 47) : and that’s how we keep ouselves on the backfoot..

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.05.13 15:17:49 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 47) : or that!! :grin:

    Is jy nog kwaai met my Ysie? ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.05.13 15:18:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 47) :

    Whatever the solution but at the moment we are just giving team an easy why to counter attack.

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.05.13 15:21:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) : was nog nooit kwaad vir jou nie!! :grin:

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.05.13 16:06:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 47) : Comes down to the players’ attitude again….we’re not playing as a team….”you kicked it, you can chase it” attitude.

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.05.13 16:07:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 43) : Wow, I immediately regret my comment about Charl. Seems I’ve hit a nerve…

    Calm down man, I’m not attacking you! :???:

    I just think Cobus has a lot of potential and will improve his passing with experience :grin:

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.05.13 19:02:59 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • And in other news. A blogger known as SAFFEX was found dead at his computer today. The man’s internet browser was open on an article on a rugby fan site known as SharksWorld. The headline read “Sharks player ratings v Highlanders” and his mouse cursor was hovering over a line that read -”Meyer Bosman – 9/10″. Medical examiners are still trying to determine cause of death, but judging by the look on his lifeless face, it is assumed that he must have died of shock!!

    We wish his family all the best in this trying time!!!
    ;-) I just had too!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.05.13 06:53:44 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 54) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.05.13 07:31:38 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 43) : Hahahaha and there Uli goes again,making every single article all about Reinach and Mcleod.I am sure every single person that visits Sharksworld by now know the hatred you have against Reinach, so please leave it now and move on!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.05.13 07:51:35 by wollie Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 54) : Good one. I have to concede Bosman had a good game, but a 9 is a stretch

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.05.13 15:03:58 by Saffex Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) : I think Rob surreptitiously trying to get rid of me!!

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.05.13 15:07:39 by Saffex Reply

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  • Very entertaining thread guys. :mrgreen:

    Of course I disagree with the high ratings the forwards got.
    From my vantage point they all hung out in the backline and never competed in the breakdown.
    I can understand that Bosman`s fetching ability spoiled them to a certain extend so that they think they don`t have to get their hands dirty anymore, but to expect the same from greenhorns like Lindique? :roll:

    I don`t know what`s wrong.
    To quote a famous commentator ( I forgot who ) ” Basically we still have a great team, they just play badly . . . “

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.05.13 07:18:09 by Original Pierre Reply
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