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Mabhida move back on the table


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Original Content, Sharks on 21 May 2013 at 12:05
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According to a report on the IOL website, discussions relating to a potential move by the Sharks to Moses Mabhida Stadium are underway.

According to the Sunday Independent, Sharks non-executive director Terry Rosenberg confirmed that talks are indeed ongoing with the eThekweni Municipality, although these are at an early stage.

A number of key stumbling blocks – not least of which the lack of comparable suite facilities to the current Kings Park stadium – remain, but Rosenberg has revealed that the Sharks remain open to all suggestions, thus implying that a compromise in being sought.

More on this as it develops, I’m sure.



184 Comments

  • Yup, never made sense to build a second stadium, even if it is very nice.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.05.13 12:12:57 by King Shark Reply
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  • my view is that we should embrace this change. Find a way to make it work and relaunch the Sharks with a bang in a huge, modern new stadium.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.05.13 12:15:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • we havent been able to fill up kings park how would we fill up mabhida?

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.05.13 12:17:45 by Poisy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : im with you Rob. out with the old in with the new!

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.05.13 12:20:36 by slammerboy Reply
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  • Why’d they build so ‘few’ corporate suites? Same in CT? :|

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.05.13 12:20:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : I don’t agree Rob. You not even in the country and you want change here.

    @Poisy (Comment 3) : exactly. Don’t forget that you will be sitting miles from the pitch.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.05.13 12:22:03 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : its a kak stadium Rob. No atmosphere. too far away from the action even if you sit up close. Kings Park feels like a cauldron the way it was designed. Moses feels like a park. My vote is a big NO. lets have a vote guys

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.05.13 12:23:27 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 7) : Amen

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.05.13 12:27:39 by Uli Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 3) : my goodness, you’re right!

    Let’s rather move to a smaller stadium, or just play our games on the beach instead.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.05.13 12:27:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 6) : I thought you were a Bulls supporter these days? I have more right to be here than you do, on that basis… :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.05.13 12:28:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Kings park is old and dirty,seating in the far corners is ridiculous,no leg room and if one oke wants to get a beer the whole row has to stand up,get a good deal and move

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.05.13 12:35:35 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 7) : Agreed.

    Hell no, stay where we are!
    What about all the history at Kingspark, the atmosphere after the games, the braai’s on the B fields.

    Hell no let them keep the white elephant!!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.05.13 12:36:32 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • If i was a betting man I’d say the Terry Rosenberg and his mates on the board will move the Sharks across the road. People can protest all they want this will happen

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.05.13 12:38:32 by slammerboy Reply
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  • I think those who cling to “tradition” too dearly best brace themselves. Time stands still for no man and in the new professional era, you can’t keep all your traditions whilst also being as successful as you can be…

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.05.13 12:45:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Move to the new stadium..

    Its a bigger stadium, it has a brilliant lay out for people to move in and out of. You feel as close to the action as one does at Kings Park.

    Financially, it makes a hell of a lot of sense. Let the rugby pay for the stadium instead of the tax payers.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.05.13 12:51:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : spoken like a man with a brain…. we need more of your sort around here :)

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.05.13 12:57:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob by moving to Moses Mabhida will do nothing to the team winning or losing. The whole building a new stadium next to another was foolish. All of you who want to move would you move from a house you own that has everything you need to the next door house you rent with almost everything you need just because it’s new? If the city of Durban wanted the Sharks to move they should have made sure the new stadium offered all the suites, etc. that the Sharks need!

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.05.13 13:01:18 by JD Reply
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  • I say move on over. Yes, Kings Park is near and dear to me, but we have to move forward. Moses Mabida is an awesome stadium. We watched a 2010 soccer game there from the cheapest, highest seats and they were a millions time better than the cheap seats in Kings Park. It’s modern, a real looker and they can have the Sharks Flasher girls bundgee jumping from the arch for half time entertainment!

    In all seriousness, it makes sense to do the move. If the Sharks can get a good deal, it’s be good for them, the city and the fans.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.05.13 13:02:09 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 17) : the problem with so many of the arguments against moving to MM is that they are all so backwards looking…. you guys are stuck in this “the stadium shouldn’t have been built in the first place” rhetoric which frankly is pointless because it can’t be changed.

    We need to forget about things in the past that can’t be changed and rather look at a way forward.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.05.13 13:06:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 17) : that is why we are saying make sure the deal is in your favour,Sharks have the fan base and numbers to do well there

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.05.13 13:11:28 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • Sorry Richard let the idiots who build the stadium pay for it!!!! If the Sharks move it must be to our advantage and not to solve the problems of other idiots. If it makes financial sence for the Sharks to move then let’s move if not stay where you are.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.05.13 13:11:42 by JD Reply
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  • I have to agree with “Move to Moses” brigade. It’s a world class stadium and not as devoid of atmosphere as is made out. Personally, I’ve got great memories from Kings Park, but believe that a move to the new stadium could set the Sharks apart as a progressive union that embraces the future. Watching sport at MM is a lot more comfortable and access to the seatingand facilities is like chalk and cheese when compared to KP.

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.05.13 13:12:44 by CDRhino Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 21) : your whole argument here seems very centered on the fact that the Sharks are always right and everybody else is an idiot… Now do you really believe that?

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.05.13 13:17:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Kings Park will be missed, but I agree The Sharks should move with the times to the new stadium. Surely it can’t be that kak :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.05.13 13:21:06 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 21) : no better way to negotiate when holding all the cards,that is why the Sharks walked away from the last talks,let the pain sink throw[up keep and maintenance] and then try again.The Sharks will get MM for nothing if they are smart and willing to play the waiting game

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.05.13 13:23:56 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • No! Madhiba was never built for rugby, it’s not suited to it. We should stay where we belong, where we have a history. Kings Park rocks! Anyway, surely it would create conflict with the football.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.05.13 13:24:27 by David12246 Reply

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  • I have a question for all those who are against the move…

    How many times this year have you been to see a game at Kings Park?

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.05.13 13:24:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • New stadium and a new coach might just be what the doctor ordered for the Sharks – for a better season next season ;-) :smile:

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.05.13 13:25:35 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • The problem with KP is that there are so many season ticket seats, and the people without has very little choice in where they can sit. Your ST holders dont pitch up, and your normal ticket buyers dont want to sit way up in the sky. So its a lose -lose situation. I hope they look at that policy if the change happen. or at least get ST holders to make their seats available if they will not attend a game.

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.05.13 13:26:19 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : hehe jou gat :P You know where the hart lies :D

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.05.13 13:27:03 by Uli Reply
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  • Change is a good thing…Moses Mabhida is a great stadium and with our new CEO we have a new fresh start.

    If a deal can be made that will benefit all parties involved in the negotiations then i’m happy…compromise from both parties is probably a must if this is to happen ; Kings Park has had it’s time in the sun, lets move on to bigger and better things.

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.05.13 13:27:35 by JJR Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 21) :

    You obviously don’t understand the difference between who built the stadium and who is paying for it?!

    Moving over to MM is not only solving a problem, but for teams coming to Durban it will be an honour playing in a new, bigger, better, modern stadium.

    Moving over will ensure that we continue to see this beautiful stadium, not only as a white elephant, but something that is used throughout the year.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.05.13 13:27:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 26) : please explain exactly what “built for rugby” means in concrete terms?

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.05.13 13:28:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : I have been once, but that doesnt mean i would go more when they move, id prob go less considering when the rain comes from the south everyone in the stadium will be wet.

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.05.13 13:28:58 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 30) : the same place mine does… yet I haven’t abandoned the team like you have…

    #JUSTFKINSAYING

    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.05.13 13:29:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Well MmD is a multi purpose stadium, if that helps you figure out what it means lol

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.05.13 13:31:02 by Uli Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 32) :

    For every person against the move, this is what is going to happen if the Sharks do not move:

    For every person here living in the Durban area – your rates will once again increase by 20% or more, so that the stadium can be kept.

    Once that is exhausted, every person earning a salary in the country will in some way or the other contribute towards the stadium – so yes, your taxes will go towards a stadium in Durban instead of going towards housing or education.

    Don’t come with the silly response that it should never have been built – It was built, it is here and there is nothing we can do about it. If any of the two are to be broken down, it will be Kings Park.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.05.13 13:31:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : hehe, well it feels better in life not having to worry just as much ….lol even though we all know i do worry :D

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.05.13 13:31:56 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 34) : why only once?

    What I’m angling at here is trying to figure out what the “real” stakeholders think… the guys that actually do go to KP every game. Or the guys that don’t go to KP because there’s something about it that they don’t like.

    My view is that the public are voting with their feet… I’m just not sure what they’re voting for (or against).

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.05.13 13:32:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob in this case the move should be to the advantage of the Sharks. Not to live in thd past but when the MM stadium was build it was taken for granted that the Sharks will move. So yes with the info I have the Sharks are right and ok all the others are not idiots.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.05.13 13:32:42 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : every game this year. do you think the municipality will allow for the name to be dropped, as naming rights sell for millions?

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.05.13 13:33:13 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 40) :

    The Sharks were given the opportunity to be involved with the designing and building of the new stadium – they declined.

    So in my mind, it is their loss that it is not built to what they want. It could have been.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.05.13 13:34:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Kings Park is great and all…but it kinda seems more like a hang out place than a place you go to, to support your team…i think Moses will make it more about the rugby. That’s how it should be.

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.05.13 13:34:45 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) : pragmatic, yes. That has to be the basis for the argument moving forward

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.05.13 13:35:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Forcing a team to move through politics just leaves a bad taste and we all know what politics does to sport.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.05.13 13:36:38 by Uli Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : details, details, details… all part of the negotiation.

    Moses Mabdhida Kings Park? Why not?

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.05.13 13:38:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 43) : Do you think that will attract more people or less people? My feeling less, as KP gives you the full family entertainment.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.05.13 13:38:41 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Rather call it Shaka Zulu Kings Park, as he was a real king. :D

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.05.13 13:39:38 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 45) : I don’t think anyone is doing that… these negotiations are taking place with the Sharks’ full support and – as others have said – holding all the cards.

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.05.13 13:40:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : to be fair, this has historically been the issue with uncle Brian…. his only negotiation tactic was “my way or the highway” and it’s left the Sharks very isolated.

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.05.13 13:42:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 47) : more people initially. Still I cant see.them getting past the box issue. it will take a fair bit of rebuilding. who is gonna pay?

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.05.13 13:42:10 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 48) : King Shaka Park :)

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.05.13 13:43:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Growthpoint moses mabhida kings park

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.05.13 13:43:51 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : maybe ;)

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.05.13 13:44:36 by Uli Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 53) : eina!

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.05.13 13:44:59 by Uli Reply
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  • How bad is it really to go from sitting in a box, to sitting in the stands?

    The stadium will look a whole lot fuller, and people will actually pay to get in the door instead of getting free giveaways..

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.05.13 13:45:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 51) : How do you think more people will come? Just asking.

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.05.13 13:45:48 by Uli Reply
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  • The first email John Smit sees when he starts should contain a link to this page :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.05.13 13:45:57 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 56) : Exactly the problem…. KZN people are poor…. including me :D

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.05.13 13:46:41 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 59) :

    So you want to stay at Kings Park so you can go the rugby for ‘free’??

    ‘Free’ in this case meaning that you are paying for your ‘free’ tickets by paying more tax and more rates?!

    Financial logic not a strong point is it?

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.05.13 13:49:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 51) : I doubt it, the attraction to KP by those that ACTUALLy attend the games live, is the entertainment before, during and after the match, the preparation on arrival, then the match and then the celebratory braai, or as in this year the pick me up braai. Its also a great family environment with place where the children can sit and be safe, all that counts. I know a family from JHB, that has season tickets next to me, that only goes to matches in KP because of all that and the Scholars seats!

    The main reason why people do not attend is 1. and main reason as Ice mentioned in posts above, and B. Because Durbanites ARE apathatic, remind me how many concerts we get in Durbs? yes few because they can never get enough people at a concert to fill half the stadium let alone a whole stadium!

    As to the move to MB I am not keen, yes I am a tradionalist, but would carry on going to the matches even if it was MB

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.05.13 13:51:15 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 61) : All of what you say is very valid…. but why is it impossible that all of that and more couldn’t be provided at MM as well?

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.05.13 13:52:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 60) : DUDE take a chill pill!

    Actually the suite holder pays for the free ticket you get for a box.

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.05.13 13:53:10 by Uli Reply
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  • addressing affordability of tickets is a very different issue…

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.05.13 13:53:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 63) : I would really love it if the price of tickets simply wasn’t a factor in determining whether people go to see the Sharks play….

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.05.13 13:55:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • they should combine the precincts…. keep the KP outer fields, demolish the old stadium and turn it into something useful… maybe a brand new HP and medical centre… base the entire Academy there and have all the kids stay “on campus”..

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.05.13 13:57:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 63) :

    At a massive discount, which voids the union of selling tickets to those people at the usual rate..

    But clearly I am too serious for this conversation..

    I’ll let you get back to those ‘free’ tickets..

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.05.13 13:57:53 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Well it is, but I agree, if that changed then we would see full stadiums everywhere. Another thing is it costs a arm and a leg for a family of 4 to go. Just the drinks be it beer /coke or what ever is already so inflated at KP as it is, then still ticket prices etc. I remember the days we owned ST on the main stand and basically every week we went to KP to watch, My dad didn’t earn much either, but it was affordable for to have 6 tickets on the main stand and go to most of the games.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.05.13 13:58:36 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 57) : the curiosity factor I think. But only initially, winning keeps them there

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.05.13 13:58:36 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : No I am hoping it will be available at MB, its not at present though :( There is no place to have your braais :(

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.05.13 13:59:38 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Now that is the BEST idea I have heard thus far!

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.05.13 14:02:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 71) : and I thought of it in literally 3 minutes, whilst looking at the two stadiums on google maps…

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.05.13 14:03:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : by the way Rob what is your email I have a titbit of info that may need some verification but could be pertinant to those rumours set forth by that afrikaans paper and the Sharks.

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.05.13 14:06:35 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • just read an article on moneyweb about the Cape Town stadium,annual costs R56m,annual income R14m @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 70) : across the road at the old Kings park

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.05.13 14:09:23 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 71) : That is an awesome idea. Probably something they should work towards. Also, I think all parties involved know exactly how much the outfields mean to Durban and will keep it going. To me its sad, but inevitable. :cry: the sharks will move

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.05.13 14:09:50 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 67) : If that’s so why are the suites so expensive? The stadium surely gets more money from having a suite than having to sell tickets for the same seating, Plus they get paid upfront even if no one fills the suite.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.05.13 14:10:47 by Uli Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : I heard it was the other way around, that they were not properly consulted in the design of the stadium and that the municipality just assumed that the Sharks would move over.

    I love both Stadiums, Moses Mabhida is world class, it is an Icon around the world. I went for the VIP tour of the stadium and the facilities are very impressive. The change rooms and warm up facilities are phenomenal and I am sure the players would much prefer it comparing it to the change rooms at Kings Park.

    The PA (Sound) at Moses is supposedly fantastic compared to the setup at Kings Park.

    What I love about Kings Park is that the Stands are so steep and raking, very imposing and you are very close to the game. It feels like you can almost touch the players from the East Stand Level 1, 2 and 3.

    The problem I have with Moses is as others have mentioned it is a multipurpose stadium, so although the guys with nosebleed seats at KP have got better Seats at Moses, the guys with the gold season tickets will be further away. I haven’t been to a game at Moses but I am not sure if the same atmosphere will be generated.

    Something else that needs to be considered is the proportion of covered seats and if the covering at Mosses actually provides full protection from driving rain, the fabric looked like it had gaps between joins probably to allow for wind to pass through the rough without being a windsail.

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : Ok that’s news to me and must say not the smartest thing to do.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.05.13 14:10:54 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Agree, demolish KP and build a state of the art training centre/sports complex. Throw in a hotel, gym/s, medical centre and multiple pitches. All Sharks reps from junior to Super 15 level are then able to be part of the same culture and have the same access to the world class training facilities.

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.05.13 14:12:56 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : I don’t know how true that is. There are allot of rumors going around, including sharks actual giving KP to the municipality for them to upgrade, and the municipality declined.

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.05.13 14:14:09 by Uli Reply
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  • Comment 81, posted at 21.05.13 14:16:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : cant wait for that…

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.05.13 14:18:23 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Well they technically the same size both seat roughly 54000, Moses has the ability to be increased to 70,000 with racking seating…

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.05.13 14:21:27 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @MikeVS (Comment 77) : Thats the story I heard! If Richard’s version is correct then that would be exactly the kind of neanderthal thinking that has ushered in the arrival of our new CEO!
    The lack of suites and not being close enough to the action is not an insurmountable problem, you could scrap the track around the field and build seats there, then half-way up you scrap all the seats there and build suites in there space.
    The other thing is that apparently this new stadium features an rarefied atmosphere that eliminates the humidity found in Kings Park, and this could lead to less handling errors :)

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.05.13 14:24:40 by neilster Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Well I am half half but I am flying up from Cape Town and taking my 1 year daughter and my wife to their first Shark game at the Tank – Very excited!

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.05.13 14:24:47 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 84) : $$$$? I think the point was not to spend more, and actually pay for the stadium…. not make more debt..

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.05.13 14:26:16 by Uli Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 84) : Well if this season is anything to go by we should move over to Moses for this weekends clash against the Bulls, hopefully we will be able to catch a ball…

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.05.13 14:26:43 by MikeVS Reply

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  • Actually Kings Park and Moses Mabhida basically have the same capacity – 55 000 and 54 000. MM’s capacity for the world cup was 62 000 and it can be adjusted to up to 80 000 for bigger events, but i have a feeling that the Sharks will play in the 54 000 capacity stadium, with less suites if they do make the move.

    And the atmosphere sucks at MM. Those that haven;t been to sporting events at both MM and KP shouldn’t be to keen on MM.

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.05.13 14:28:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 84) : I don’t think anything can be done about the track, the levels wont allow you to put extra seats there and they wont be able to go further down or else you will hit Jacob Zuma’s secret tunnel…

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.05.13 14:30:18 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 86) : Well thats my point, the city needs to pay for it in order for it to be viable to move!
    Yes this is more out of the rates coffers, but nothing compared to what will happen if it still sits empty…

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.05.13 14:31:01 by neilster Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : I don’t agree that the action feels just as close as it does at Kings Park. There’s a whole athletics field between the pitch and the seats, how could it feel the same.

    But then you have your opinion and by your statement I suppose you’ve been there and felt it was just as good.

    I would have gladly moved to a bigger stadium if I thought it was better. I don’t.

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.05.13 14:31:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @MikeVS (Comment 89) : I’ve heard otherwise, but that would be an epic fail if not.

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.05.13 14:33:37 by neilster Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 88) : Fans create atmosphere

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.05.13 14:34:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : How many games was played by the Sharks at Kings Park this year?

    Plus a couple of Vodacom Cup games.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.05.13 14:34:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 94) : good…. BTW, how do you know what the atmosphere would be like for a Sharks game at MM, since one has never taken place there? :)

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.05.13 14:35:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 29) : I agree, if season ticket holders aren’t at the game their tickets should somehow be made available. I’m almost certain the Sharks will make season tickets for Moses Mahbida available to current ticket holders first, so the problem will probably still be the same at MM.

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.05.13 14:37:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 90) : Yea I suppose ;)

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.05.13 14:37:52 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : That southern wind will blow it away ;)

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.05.13 14:39:14 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : I’ve been to big games at different stadium all over South Africa (finals, semi finals and test matches at every big stadium). The only one that comes close to Kings Park and if I’m honest even edges KP out is Ellis Park.

    I went to Moses Mabhida for 3 different sporting events, every time the stadium was full. I sat in three different places. Although the crowd was great the viewing experience wasn’t that great. It’s to far away.

    I’ll give up some leg room for the KP experience any day.

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.05.13 14:40:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 99) : I agree, Ellis is a really awe stadium to be at.

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.05.13 14:43:45 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : Maybe they should have a Super 15 warm up game next year at Moses and issue free tickets for the season tickets holders and very cheap tickets for non-season tickets holders to try fill the stadium and see what it feels like…

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.05.13 14:44:25 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @MikeVS (Comment 101) : NO, rather play it at out lying places like PMB, Richards Bay/Empangeni , Port Shepstone even include Winterton.

  • Comment 102, posted at 21.05.13 14:45:28 by Uli Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 99) : Always wanted to go and watch a match there. Been to Loftus – was ok, been to Newlands – I hate with a passion. KP definitely has something special about it.

  • Comment 103, posted at 21.05.13 14:46:03 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 102) : They can do that too, but just so they know what is available – like taking a car for a test drive…

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.05.13 14:47:38 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @MikeVS (Comment 101) : good idea!

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.05.13 14:54:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 80) : I also heard that initially Kings Park would have been upgraded, they already had plans in place to present to (whoever, but then heard that the plans for a new stadium was already improved.

    Park of the upgrades that would have gone into Kings park would have given it a huge capacity (I remember it would have made KP the biggest stadium in SA), it would have had a retractable roof and there would have been some facility upgrades, and a bit of a face lift to accommodate the upgrade and the roof. Would have been a way better stadium than MM at a fraction of the cost.

    I didn’t keep the article, but if someones curious enough they can go digging.

    I even saw a picture of how KP would have looked like.

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.05.13 14:55:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 42) : Sorry but to say we should play there because we do not want to pay more taxes is absolute rubbish Richard!

    I for one have no problem either way, but to make as though it is the Sharks fault that they did not help design the stadium is BS, DID YOU SIT IN THE MEETINGS TO KNOW ALL THIS AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED? WHAT WAS MAYBE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE SHARKS ETC?

    Sorry but just dissing the opinions of those against is nonsense, or for the matter the opinions of those for moving.

    My feeling is that of course it would ne nice to be in a nice modern stadium, and of course one would lose the history of the old stadium to a degree “one can move photos and trophies etc”

    the thing is here that the Sharks must take into account of what will suite the Sharks, WHY MORE DEBT? OLD STADIUM so how long will it still be safe and viable?

    The are many arguments for and against such a move, and 1 example would be of huge revenue loss is if they lose the money from Suite sales rentals etc it would be huge.

    The Sharks need to make the choice for the good of the SHARKS, nothing else. The fact is that all these new stadiums are running at losses and tax payers are footing the Bill.

    SO ALTHOUGH I AM FOR A MOVE IT MUST BE AND ONLY BE IF THE SHARKS DO NOT LOSE IN THE DEAL.

    @neilster (Comment 84) : To a degree I agree, thing is Sharks already have most of that what ur advocating whilst playing at KP, but I agree if they move? break down KP and built onto what they already have?

    Also if the Sharks take over the MM stadium it must be where they have FULL CONTROL, not a share thing with soccer SA etc.

  • Comment 107, posted at 21.05.13 14:58:03 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 95) : The field is about 20 to 30 meters away from the first seat. Just to give you an indication of how far away from the action you’d be if you didn’t get the absolute best seat. Plus getting closer means you’re lower which makes that 20m feel really far away. It’s hard to see what’s going on on the field.

    It just wasn’t built with good viewing in mind. the design was the first focus.

  • Comment 108, posted at 21.05.13 14:59:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 106) : I clearly remember that article! I also remember a statement from the Sharks stating that they were never consulted on the design, or what they needed in the new stadium, that is why they walked out of talks, the Dolphins released a similar statement adding that the field is far too short for criket or something to that effect! The only idiot here is Suttcliffe who thought he could bully everyone till they would see it his way!

  • Comment 109, posted at 21.05.13 15:01:18 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/FIFA_World_Cup_2010_Germany_Australia.jpg

    Check this picture out, fans sitting behind the post if will be even further away from the game, about 40 50m.

    I’m sorry but that’s crap.

    I’d probably go get my season tickets for the first year, but I go to the game because I feel it’s better watching it there and I’m predicting that I would drop my Season tickets the second year and watch it on my TV.

  • Comment 110, posted at 21.05.13 15:01:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 106) : The was such an article.

    Sharks can move boet, but like I said before? not at a loss.

    KP belongs to the Sharks and thus it is well managed, I believe it could be a good move though, Durban City need to come to the party and take the knock for revenue loss at MM, NOT THE SHARKS.

  • Comment 111, posted at 21.05.13 15:02:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • http://stadiums.football.co.uk/Images/Photos/Large/1741-4.jpg

    There’s nothing like this… and these are some of the bad seats at KP.

  • Comment 112, posted at 21.05.13 15:06:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • The Sharks will have to think hard about this one as the KP stadium is starting to weaken and soon will need huge upgrades, what will be better for them? upgrade or move?

    If they move will they at their cost have to upgrade the MM stadium for Suites etc???

    Much to ponder lol

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.05.13 15:07:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3053/2810802842_12ef00734e.jpg

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.05.13 15:08:10 by Letgo Reply
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  • http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/560/6c3648791a8848f882d5785e531110ba.jpg

    And this is my reasoning for not wanting to move.

    Kings Park is better.

    Why would I want to sit 100m away from the game.

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.05.13 15:10:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 115) : And those aren’t even the bad seats at MM.

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.05.13 15:10:49 by Letgo Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 107) : Amen brother! I agree! The Sharks are not a charity, and cannot move just so they effectively take up the “tax” burden. Then we should not complain if they can only afford to pay the salary of a Monty Dumond instead of a Patrick Lambie!

    Also in SA where the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing, and all this name dropping elite that sees a plane full of foreign people land at our military base, how sure will we be that a Sharks vs Bulls match is not double booked with a Pirates vs Chiefs match? and then who would take preference?

    Quite honestly I agree with Letgo I do not like the MB.

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.05.13 15:11:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 110) : They are going to have to sink the field and build seats on the track, its as simple as that.

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.05.13 15:14:44 by neilster Reply

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  • http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XHmXZ2mlImY/TuFme6yr4HI/AAAAAAAAFUo/b_Seww_bTrE/s1600/Moses-Mabhida-Stadium-Durban.jpg

    Get my point, that soccer net is about, I would say, 50m away. I wouldn’t go to the games anymore. I have to be honest.

    I go to the stadium, even when the Sharks are losing and no one else is there, because I feel like I can enjoy the game more. I wouldn’t if I can’t see anything.

    I don’t go to the game to drink and chat to friends and have leg room.

    MM is not a good stadium.

    It’s a quality stadium with quality facilities, but it sucks for the supporter who wants to see what’s going on on the field.

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.05.13 15:15:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @neilster (Comment 118) : That’s fine, but since the stadium was built for comfort you’re still very low, which would make it hard to see what’s going on for the first few rows.

    Go to the stadium and see what I mean.

    It’s pretty and all, but it’s useless as a proper sporting stadium. They should just convert it into a huge mall. That’s something I’ll actually go to.

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.05.13 15:18:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 117) : Correct SISTA :mrgreen: Sharks can move but then changes will have to be made, and at who’s cost??

    I have had family go watch the WC soccer at MM and they saqid it was awesome, again Sharks must do whats right for them.

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.05.13 15:20:39 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • On another note? anyone know if Kanko is back with the squad??
    Photo’s of the team training this morning does now show KAnko?? so not sure?

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.05.13 15:23:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 120) : I’ve been to Moses, just not to a rugby game there. I’ve been to a rugby game at the new Wembley in UK, which is a similar setup to Moses i.e. being far from the field with all the space around the outside wasted, and it was pretty bad viewing I agree.

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.05.13 15:27:22 by neilster Reply

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  • Not a fan of moving, I don’t wanna sit a million miles away, besides I dont mind the “birds eye view” you get from the nosebleeds at kp, u can see the gaps opening up.

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.05.13 15:34:10 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Lets be honest guys, when was the last time we saw a full KP, its just not working anymore. I say move to the new stadium and get a whole new Shark culture going. I live around the corning from newlands and was there for the first time for Stormers v Sharks game and to be honest, I didnt think much of newlands. Why must all South African be conservative, there are two amazing stadiums, lets just use them!!!

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.05.13 15:36:06 by Tintin Reply

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  • @Tintin (Comment 125) : Its not about conservatism, or moving because it’s a trend blah blah blah, Will it be to the advantage of the Sharks union?? or disadvantage??

    Will it financially be a huge setback or not??

    those are the questions that would need be answered.

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.05.13 15:40:21 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Can we at least agree that arguing about whether the Sharks should move or not is just as pointless as arguing about whether the Moses Mabhida stadium should have been built or not?

    If the move is going to happen, your complaining about it on a blog isn’t going to make any difference to the people making the decision.

  • Comment 127, posted at 21.05.13 15:44:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Tintin (Comment 125) : Newlands has to be one of the worst Stadiums I have been to!

  • Comment 128, posted at 21.05.13 15:44:41 by MikeVS Reply

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  • @Tintin (Comment 125) : I don’t think kp not being full has anything to do with the stadium itself, I think it’s more to do with the lack of “rugby watching people” in and around Durban and kzn, the money it costs for a family to see a game, the amount of rugby being played, and to a lesser extent the performance of the team

  • Comment 129, posted at 21.05.13 15:45:09 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 127) : No harm in discussing it mate, it is good to see the different views

  • Comment 130, posted at 21.05.13 15:45:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 126) : Yeah I agree that the number have to make sense, but you get the feeling people wont go coz its something different and that they wont like the change

  • Comment 131, posted at 21.05.13 15:46:14 by Tintin Reply

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  • I have’nt read all the above – but as was said to me in the beginning by someone at KP
    1)Sharks have recently (2 years ago) signed a new 50 year lease.
    2) suite facilities non existent
    3) seating is terrible – cant see the action
    4)Parking and after party facilities non existent
    5)No stadium has succeeded as both a Soccer and Rugby venue simultaneously. Occasional use by both works, but not permanently.
    6) Team branding – in this case the new property group would not be able to claim naming rights unless it is for both teams – dual expense for them.
    7) the facilities would have to be doubled for use as soccer and rugby, remember KP is a 6 day office block as well as a stadium. Same goes for soccer.
    8) Training grounds proximate to the stadium for both sports.

    They screwed up when they built these stadiums – they are too small for cricket which would have been a perfect foil to soccer season wise and unsuitable for rugby as a dual sport.

  • Comment 132, posted at 21.05.13 15:47:43 by Caratacus Reply

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  • Durban’s 2010 stadium ‘not a waste of money’

    July 13 2006 at 02:03pm
    By Bongani Mthembu and Ivana Naidoo

    The eThekwini municipality has reacted angrily to criticism that the R1,6-billion stadium to be built at the site of the King’s Park Stadium will be a “white elephant” and that taxpayers will fork out a fortune to maintain it after the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

    Speaking to the Daily News yesterday, eThekwini Deputy Mayor Logie Naidoo described those who criticised government for building the 70 000 seater King Senzangakhona Stadium as “prophets of doom”, adding that they failed to see “the bigger picture”.

    Naidoo was responding to comments by Steven Haag who argued that there was no need for a new stadium.

    Haag provides hospitality services to the South African Football Association and the Sharks at Absa Stadium, which is just a few metres away from where the new stadium is to be built.

    He said the new stadium would be underused after the soccer tournament and become a burden for rate- payers who would be forced to foot the bill to maintain it.

    He said Absa Stadium, which is currently being used for soccer matches, was “hardly filled to its rafters” even during prominent games.

    “People are not focusing on what is going to happen after 2010. What will Durban do with the stadium after the World Cup? The Friday night Sharks game only had 11 000 spectators. The Scotland game and Robbie Williams’s concert had only 35 000 spectators each. We need to be told about the running costs per year after the World Cup. I am all for the World Cup, but I don’t believe that having two stadiums is financially viable,” he said.

    But Naidoo said on Wednesday that government would not entertain people like Haag who did not want to see development in Durban.

    “People should understand that the stadium will not be a facility for the World Cup only. It has been designed in such a way that it will be used after the soccer tournament.

    “The fact that the stadium has features such as an athletics track and a very high skywalk for tourists means that it will be used after the tournament,” he said.

    Naidoo said the city would also use the stadium to bid for the Rugby World Cup, Commonwealth Games and the Olympic Games.

    The eThekwini Municipality is currently demolishing the old King’s Park Stadium and construction of the new stadium is expected to begin soon after that.

    “The upgrading of the existing stadium would cost at least R500-million. It’s also already an old stadium and not truly designed as a top soccer venue. When we started looking at the figures we decided to build a new, better facility,” he said. Brain van Zyl, CEO of Sharks Rugby, confirmed that Danny Jordaan, CEO of the World Cup local organising committee, had sent Absa Stadium a letter on Friday stating that the venue would not be used for World Cup matches, but might still be used for training.

    “(Our stadium not being used) is not a train smash for us. We’re not really going to lose out. We have always been in the dark, we had never planned either for expenses or income. We’re relieved to know where we stand,” he said. The construction of the stadium is to be public-driven and private sector involvement will come mainly through the operation of the facility itself.

  • Comment 133, posted at 21.05.13 15:48:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • Durban rethinks its 2010 stadium plans

    December 18 2005 at 02:04pm
    By Howard Donaldson
    It is not a foregone conclusion that Durban’s Absa Stadium will be upgraded and used for the soccer World Cup finals in 2010.

    The city’s Strategic Projects unit has revealed that it is looking into the possibility of building a new stadium on the site of the old King’s Park soccer stadium, directly opposite Absa Stadium.

    Julie-May Ellingson, the Chief of Strategic Projects, said the feasibility of demolishing the old soccer stadium and building a new one on the site had been “discussed at a technical level”.

    “I must emphasise that there have been no decisions taken and we are simply weighing up our options. But we are looking at the viability of a new stadium,” Ellingson told the Sunday Tribune this week. “We need to be sure that such a stadium would be sustainable beyond the 2010 World Cup.”

    She said, should a new stadium be built, it would have to incorporate excellent athletics facilities.

    Ellingson said the cost of upgrading Absa Stadium was in the region of R350 million to R500 million and her unit had to ask whether that money would be better spent constructing a new facility.

    “There is a lot of work going on behind the scenes, but it is premature to say we will definitely do this or do that,” said Ellingson.

    “We are looking at Germany’s preparations for next year’s World Cup and learning from how they are doing things and how they are creating business opportunities.”

    She said the municipality was looking beyond 2010 and towards a possible Olympic Games or Commonwealth Games being held in the city.

    “A decision on any new stadium will not be taken until the new year,” said Ellingson.

    Brian van Zyl, Chief Executive of the Sharks rugby franchise, said he wasn’t sure Durban could sustain two stadiums of that size.

    “We might be stuck with a legacy of the 2010 World Cup and a stadium that was under-utilised.”

    Van Zyl said it cost about R10-million a year to run Absa Stadium and he wondered whether Durban’s ratepayers would have to foot the bill should the new soccer stadium be built.

    He also pointed to the planned extension of the ICC and a new indoor stadium and asked whether there would be enough sport being played in Durban to warrant a further facility.

    Van Zyl said there were ways of keeping down the cost of expanding Absa Stadium and the council should look seriously at those possibilities.

    “The north and south stands could be built up, using scaffolding, for 2010. It doesn’t have to cost the kind of money that the council is considering spending,” said Van Zyl.

    Durban Mayor Obed Mlaba said there was “certainly space for another stadium” in the King’s Park sports precinct.

    “Absa Stadium is a rugby stadium and we need a specialist soccer stadium for 2010 and beyond,” he said.

    “Our soccer has had a hard time with a club (Manning Rangers) leaving Durban, and so on, and we must now build a positive environment for soccer to flourish once again in our city. We, as a city, are grateful to Absa Stadium for the way they helped us clinch the right to host the World Cup finals, but they will appreciate that Durban needs a new home for soccer.”

  • Comment 134, posted at 21.05.13 15:48:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 116) : dont forget that southern wind on a cold winters day, never mind if there is rain everyone will get wet.

  • Comment 135, posted at 21.05.13 15:53:27 by Uli Reply
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  • @Caratacus (Comment 132) : You must be joking with those comments? Seriously.

  • Comment 136, posted at 21.05.13 15:55:39 by Uli Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 107) :

    Call my opinion BS all you like bud..

    Those were the words directly from the mouth of two senior Sharks admin personnel.

    The Sharks WILL benefit from a move. It is all in the fact that the stadium was built within a decade ago, compared to whenever KP was built. It is new, it needs less money to be kept intact and safe. OBVIOUSLY the Sharks will not lose in the deal.

    My point about the taxes is a logical motive, it is not a primary reason.

  • Comment 137, posted at 21.05.13 16:00:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • http://196.35.74.238/SPORTS/SABC%20SPORT/Multimedia/kings%20park%20stadium333.jpg

  • Comment 138, posted at 21.05.13 16:06:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 138) : Maria yes, that is the pic ;)

  • Comment 139, posted at 21.05.13 16:08:49 by Uli Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 137) : Taxes are taxes, everyone has to pay them anyways, be it E-tolling or what ever else. They will make us pay!

  • Comment 140, posted at 21.05.13 16:10:15 by Uli Reply
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  • What are soccer ticket prices anyways?
    I mean they have so many darn games there, yet they cant break clean on the bill.

  • Comment 141, posted at 21.05.13 16:11:52 by Uli Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 137) : @ senior Admin personal that probably aint privy to the documents and actual meetings.

    If it was easy as you say and financially viable the Sharks would have moved long ago, I REPEAT YOU ARE NOT PRIVY TO THE ACTUALLITIES AND WHAT THE PRO’S AND CONS ARE.

    I also stated if it is right for the Sharks? then I am all for the move. Read the article Letgo has posted, it makes for interesting reading.

  • Comment 142, posted at 21.05.13 16:12:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Split it up… Some games at Kings Park, Some at Moses.
    I mean, there’s like 52 games a year, so they can easlity devide it between the stadiums.

  • Comment 143, posted at 21.05.13 16:24:14 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @uli (comment 141) It’s from R40 to R300 depending were u sit and damn that stadium looks awesome way o way they didn’t go for only they will know

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.05.13 16:27:13 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 130) : Never said there was, just mentioned it’s pointless getting so worked up about it.

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.05.13 16:27:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Again some are reading past what I have said,

    I am for a Sharks move as long as it is in the interest of the Sharks and for no other reason.

    Some people will watching at MM and some wont, same with KP, that’s human nature and will not change.

    Thing is that statements were made that the Sharks were not interested in the designing of the MM stadium etc, Article above posted prove the opposite.

    Of course it will be nice to play in a new fancy stadium, looks nice to the world, BUT AT WHAT COST?

  • Comment 146, posted at 21.05.13 16:32:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 142) :

    An article is the same rubbish that a certain Beeld journalist came up with. They can write whatever they want, as long as newspapers sell.

    If the personnel that I am talking about weren’t in the meetings, then no meetings would have taken place.

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.05.13 16:45:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Yeah, admittedly there are no concrete terms, but the way I see it, due to the more aerial sport of rugby compared to football, most rugby stadiums are built more vertically (i.e. Twickenham and Kings Park) whereas football stadiums are more flat (i.e. Moses Madhiba and Wembley), but then again there are exceptions of course, so I may be talking crap. It’s just something I’ve noticed. The problem is, I am quite sentimental and so I don’t want to see Kings Park waste away, which it would.

  • Comment 148, posted at 21.05.13 16:46:01 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 136) : Nope.

  • Comment 149, posted at 21.05.13 16:48:43 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 146) : dude, can I ask you to please calm the fuck down and stop shouting? Thanks.

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.05.13 16:53:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • once again, I urge all of you not actually in possession of a time machine to stop harping on about what could have, would have, or should have been and rather look at the best way to move forward from where we are right now.

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.05.13 16:55:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 148) : I don’t think we should let Kings Park waste away, not at all.

    I’m advocating a quick and painless demolition instead :)

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.05.13 16:56:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 152) : Oh the horror! ;-)

  • Comment 153, posted at 21.05.13 16:58:23 by David12246 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 150) : Not shouting but highlighting certain points

    @ndly I told you before, don’t tell me to calm the fuck down, I was a making a point like anyone else

    Talk to your family like that, but you will not talk to me like that.

    Guess also only your opinion matters???

    go figure…… and I told you before block me if you want, I really do not give a hoots

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.05.13 17:16:46 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 152) : @David12246 (Comment 153) : Kill it or upgrade it.

    As it stands it is far more pleasurable to watch the game in the comfort of my living room than making the trek up to Durbs just to end up not seeing what happened in the game due to that excuse of a pixelated nokia 5110 stadium screen.

    And those miserable stadium facilities, reminds me of high school.

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.05.13 17:16:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 152) : it is about to collapse all by it’s self,it must be the dirtiest and ugliest stadium i have been to,Newlands a close second.

  • Comment 156, posted at 21.05.13 17:21:22 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : I agree with you. Now that John Smit’s coming in, the time is ripe for a relaunch of our brand. Screw the suites, man. Every time I go to a suite it’s full of accountants trying to schmooze clients. The real place for a fan is up in the stands.

  • Comment 157, posted at 21.05.13 17:32:07 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 141) : The Moses Mabhida is actually one of the few stadiums in SA that was designed to have an income stream out of season. They have an adventure company, restaurants and a gym on the facilities. Unfortunately all of that is peanuts compared to the massive upkeep bill. But hey, look at Greenpoint Stadium. It has has no income stream at all!

  • Comment 158, posted at 21.05.13 17:42:06 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 154) :

    You seem to think you are the shit here, knowing all the big shots with all the inside information!?

    Just remember, there is a difference between knowing your shit, and knowing you’re shit.

  • Comment 159, posted at 21.05.13 18:02:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 159) : Richard please…. let’s get one thing straight.

    If there’s anyone around here who knows all the big shots….

    IT’S ME! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 160, posted at 21.05.13 18:13:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 154) :
    :lol:
    FJELN!

  • Comment 161, posted at 21.05.13 18:15:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 161) :

  • Comment 162, posted at 21.05.13 18:19:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Progress happens despite, rather than because of some people. Given half the chance, some would still be watching naked gladiators in the Colloseum.

  • Comment 163, posted at 21.05.13 18:21:24 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 162) :
    Now I know what it must be like to get savaged by a duck.

  • Comment 164, posted at 21.05.13 18:23:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 152) : Yes, and a piece of that concrete would do nicely in my bar at home.

  • Comment 165, posted at 21.05.13 18:25:03 by neilster Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 165) : shit dude…. you just stumbled upon an awesome way for the Sharks to make money out of this…

  • Comment 166, posted at 21.05.13 18:34:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 164) : A duck you say; oh look, a bicycle with wings.

  • Comment 167, posted at 21.05.13 18:35:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 166) : If Kings park goes down I would also fancy a piece for my bar. Building a new training centre there would also be a nice way keep the place alive and in Sharks hands. O yes and for a slow day you sure got the people hot under the collar and writting a lot. :twisted:

  • Comment 168, posted at 21.05.13 19:24:15 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 168) : you know my heart… :)

  • Comment 169, posted at 21.05.13 20:03:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 169) : ja some times you just take a swing at a bee nest and see what comes flying out. :twisted: Nice one boet.

  • Comment 170, posted at 21.05.13 20:37:42 by JD Reply
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  • Quite seriously guys if anyone thinks Moses Madiba Stadium will be good for the Sharks either has never watched a game there or knows nothing about rugby. I have watched rugby at Kings Park since the 1960′s yes when there were grass banks, I watched all but one of the World Cup soccer games and all but one of the Africa Nations cup games. For rugby you are simply too far away from the action, rugby will die at that stadium. Even if you are in the front row the action will be half a rugby field from you even when they closest they can to you. You might as well watch it on TV. In fact that’s what you will be doing at Moses Madiba Stadium.

  • Comment 171, posted at 21.05.13 21:06:54 by markp Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 165) : Pity I can’t patent that!

  • Comment 172, posted at 22.05.13 07:41:07 by neilster Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 150) : Mr Otto , since when has swearing been allowed on your esteemed rugga site? I was always of the opinion that Sharksworld was way above that? I this site not for all Sharks fans young and old? Would you let your kids read these articles? Shame on you “dude”!!

  • Comment 173, posted at 22.05.13 10:49:37 by CLASSIC SHARK Reply

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  • @CLASSIC SHARK (Comment 173) : According to the site rules…

    “Some profanity will be tolerated, but let’s keep it reasonable? Although not exactly a family site, we don’t want it to turn into a Tarantino movie either.”

    My view is that kids shouldn’t be reading blog sites anyway, but I appreciate your point of view and apologise for getting a little carried away.

  • Comment 174, posted at 22.05.13 11:00:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • The profanity i could handle but the shouting hurt my ears

  • Comment 175, posted at 22.05.13 11:11:16 by bobby 26 Reply
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  • @bobby 26 (Comment 175) : I was trying to stop the shouting…

  • Comment 176, posted at 22.05.13 11:23:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Why don’t we do what the Yankees do with Yankee Stadium?

    Each Stadium has a fixed period that it stands for before it is demolished and turned into the parking lot for the next Yankee Stadium, which is built in the parking lot next to the standing Yankee Stadium.

    Move to Moses Mabhida, tear down Kings Park (I can hear people railing against this suggestion already) and erect a parking lot for people to use when going to MM. That way you get a bit more parking so more people might come through to the Stadium to support the team, you get to keep the braais and gees of the outer fields and can use the new stadium which is right next door.

    Then in x number of years when MM is no longer the marvel of latest building technology, etc. Tear down the parking structure, build the new stadium and turn MM into the parking structure.

  • Comment 177, posted at 23.05.13 15:37:09 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 177) : good idea.

  • Comment 178, posted at 23.05.13 15:57:20 by Uli Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 177) : NO! Don’t come with your “constructive suggestions” when all we really want to have is a BLINKERED RANT!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 179, posted at 23.05.13 17:23:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 179) : I know, how inconsiderate of me! Trying to see something positive :smile:

  • Comment 180, posted at 24.05.13 08:31:58 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 177) : That is actually a good idea… So it won’t happen. (Facetious Friday)

  • Comment 181, posted at 24.05.13 08:36:46 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 181) : You never know with new blood at the helm. Maybe the logical decisions will start being taken.

  • Comment 182, posted at 24.05.13 08:52:28 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • . . . ” Paved Kings Park and put up a parking lot. . . ” :evil:

  • Comment 183, posted at 24.05.13 11:31:54 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 183) : nice work Joni :)

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