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Wandi fires a parting shot


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 23 May 2013 at 11:32
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In a stunningly candid interview with City Press last week, discarded Lions and Sharks centre Wandile Mjekevu delivered some stinging criticism aimed at the Sharks’ player development and coaching structures ahead of his imminent departure for Perpginan in France.

Former KES boy Mjekevu burst onto the scene as a raw teenager, scoring tries by the bucketload in his debut Super Rugby season for the Lions in 2010. Despite a failure to establish himself as a senior team regular after an injury in that campaign, his signature was nonetheless seen as a coup when the Sharks picked him up as a “bright young talent” last year. Things didn’t work out quite as planned, though, with his appearances in the black and white limited to the Vodacom Cup and under 21 side in 2012, before being relegated to the College Rovers ranks this season when his Sharks contract wasn’t renewed. This situation could, of course, paint a very clear layer of “sour grape juice” over everything else that he has to say; however, his words and sentiments echo what has long been said by scores of junior players in the past and do appear to carry a fair bit of truth, regardless of his intention in saying them.

In short, he claims, the Sharks are far more about “quick fixes” and “finished products” than they are about meaningful development and mentoring of young talent. It’s all well and good if you’re a Pat Lambie, Marcell Coetzee or Pieter-Steph du Toit, all players who have shown a remarkable ability to seamlessly “slot in” at senior level at a very young age. It has to be remembered, though, that it’s not the norm for a guy to be ready for Super Rugby at the age of 20 and that most players identified based on schoolboy talent will need lots of work and very careful coaching to ensure they develop into the complete package over time.

Mjekevu’s contention – one which is shared by many others – is that this simply doesn’t happen at the Sharks and they are far quicker to buy in the “finished product” from elsewhere than they are to work with one of their own, despite any weaknesses.

“They don’t have room for mistakes and they are not adept at coaching a player up. When a young player is coming through and makes mistakes, they are not willing to sit down and help them, ” Mjekevu told the City Press, citing winger S’bura Sithole as a good example. “They say he is not safe under the high ball, but he has been in the system for five years. If they say there is a problem, how have they not fixed it for five years? It’s not his fault because he is a hard worker. It is a coaching thing.

“You can work as hard as you can but there will be no reward. It is a crushing feeling as they will pick a guy whom they say has ‘more experience’. You are not going to get experience holding tackle bags at training. When you have Marius Joubert playing Vodacom Cup, I feel sorry for guys like Tyler ­Fisher.”

The Sharks will argue, of course, that the extremely high number of Academy graduates in the current squad must surely give the lie to Mjekevu’s sentiments; looking at it from a pure numbers point of view, it’s hard to argue that development isn’t working in Durban. One does feel that the tendency to “buy in a foreigner” was definitely on the wane, prior to this year’s unprecedented injury crisis. Fingers continue to be pointed at the Sharks, though, for the way that Mjekevu, Sithole and others (such as the Marais brothers and Francois Kleinhans) have been treated, with the recent decision to turn to Lions mercenaries considered a sign that the wheel was turning right back the other way again.

A delicate balancing act…. are the Sharks getting it right?



64 Comments

  • So I’m very much on the fence about this one…

    To me, it is always a tragedy when a talent like Wandi, or S’bura, doesn’t reach their full potential. And I know that that Sharks aren’t always doing a great job of developing young talent, particularly amongst the backline… look at Heimar Williams, Tyler Fisher, Gouws Prinsloo, Jaco van Tonder, Sean Robinson + many thousands of others I’m missing

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.05.13 11:39:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • “all players who have shown a remarkable ability to seamlessly “slot in” at senior level at a very young age.” Is that not the whole point? You either have it or you don’t? unless you are really committed at getting to the big stage surely you need to work harder by your self on your own short comings, and prove that you are a better player? Sounds like he wants a free ticket to the top.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.05.13 11:41:40 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : that’s pretty spot on Rob.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.05.13 11:42:19 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 2) : Sounds to me that the structures aren’t present to help someone with shortcomings overcome them, which is damn sad.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.05.13 11:45:31 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Sbura been with the Sharks for 5 years already, and he is still poor under the high ball (according to Wandile). Id say the Sharks have been mighty patient, generous and kind then.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.05.13 11:48:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 5) : I’d say how can they say he’s poor if it’s their job to ensure he’s not?

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.05.13 11:50:37 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Boohoo Wandile. You are only 22 yet you think everything should be placed in your lap for you. There are the odd exception of players maturing early but you are no Chilliboy, Frans Steyn or Pat Lambie. There are many a player that had to wait until late in their 20′s before they really got a chance to impress – ask Charl McCleod for example.

    Face it, you are a run of the mill rugby player that should rather work harder. All the responsibility for your development lies with you. Don’t blame the coaches.

    You use S’bu as an example of the coaches not helping him become better under the high ball. Reality check – having the guts to jump and keep your eye on the ball has far more to do with your mindset than with what your coach teaches you. Seriously, a professional rugby player should not need to be taught how to catch a ball.

    Enjoy France. Can’t wait to hear how they failed to coach you into becoming a rugby player.

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.05.13 11:55:03 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 5) : Exactly. Why do they need to teach him to catch a ball?

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.05.13 11:56:10 by King Shark Reply
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  • Rob, sorry to get all technical here BUT 4 tries in 2010 and none since does not equate to a bucket load of tries. Unless he scored them in one match. Then it is true that he scored a bucket load of tries. In that one match. Only.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.05.13 11:58:10 by King Shark Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 6) : Well I presume they have been working with him for that period. If they had to keep everyone on their books that were showing great potential but were just not cracking it then they would have a few hundred players on their books. Impossible.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.05.13 11:58:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 7) : preach brother preach! SA has a moer of a “give me give me” culture nowadays

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.05.13 11:58:51 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Lots of debate :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.05.13 12:00:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 4) : I don’t agree, they already invested in him, he should work harder by himself on his short coming, we dont know the whole story, but who says they haven’t actually tried and given up on him? If that’s the case HE should have gone back to the drawing board and worked harder on his own short coming and he would have become a better player.

    I almost get the feeling that when a youngster joins the academy, he feels the “sharks” need to teach him now how to play rugby, yes they can help him learn , and the structures are there for him, but he needs to work harder on his own game, and not expect to be given a free ride just like some scrumhalf has been give, to try and teach him when hes awe full, start teaching him. that’s bs.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.05.13 12:01:28 by Uli Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 4) : agreed. also some of these guys live to wear that jersey but not getting the assistance they need to work on weakness while its true that a finished product is prefered the desire and love for the jersey is just as important these guys need to be mentored and they will never want to leave durban because this where they’d feel they belong.iv talked to monde and sbu a few times now and they love the sharks and want nothing more than to win trophies with them.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.05.13 12:03:51 by Poisy Reply
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  • Coaches will do whatever it takes to win, that is rugby, and that is the professional game.

    So recruiting the best in order to achieve this is nothing new.

    However, what concerns me here is his claim that nothing is done to help mature players better, or work on their weak points with the view to improve it.

    Sharks (and other unions) buy youngsters because they show potential, that potential needs to be developed into something of substance and that has absolutely everything to do with coaching, and coaching structures.

    If the Sharks provide these then he has nothing to complain about – but do they?

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.05.13 12:06:05 by Morné Reply
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  • We’re always going on about how there seems to be no skills coaching in SA, yet when a players speaks out on how certain skills are not being addressed with proper coaching, it’s the player’s fault.

    So the lack of skills in South African rugby are the players’ responsibility and fault and we should therefore not cry about the lack of skills coaching, but rather the lack of discipline from the players in developing these skills. :roll:

    If memory serves me right, Frans Steyn was sent Murry Mexted’s academy for skills training when he joined the Sharks. Strange how he wasn’t expected to miraculously be born with all the skills required for senior rugby.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.05.13 12:06:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Worth considering what he says. He’s not the first to say it, and circumstances bear him out. Lets not forget how we all pined for Lambie to get a start – something that only happened when everyone and their dog was injured.

    @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 11) :
    Thats not a new thing.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.05.13 12:07:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 15) : sharks academy provide everything you could ever want and also rope in former players to talk to the players,i dont know if this happens for everybody but everybody iv met from the sharks academy they are also given an education via varsity college.so idealy if things dont work out u have a back up plan and can enter the working world prepaired

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.05.13 12:10:17 by Poisy Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 16) :
    You make a great point.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.05.13 12:13:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 16) : good point. also jp in 2007 scored shit loads of tries but his hands let him down much like sbura atm wondr hw jp worked on it nd if he did it on his own

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.05.13 12:13:58 by Poisy Reply
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  • Ask yourself this: if the sharks did not invest in their players, then how did Burden convert to a hooker and Beast to a prop? Why did Waylon Murray, Brad Barrit, Lwazi Mvovo, Tera Mthembu, and many more, turn into brilliant players?

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.05.13 12:14:18 by King Shark Reply
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  • The biggest mistake this lad made, was to burn bridges. This industry is very small, the coach you criticise today at the Sharks, might well end up being the coach in France tomorrow…

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.05.13 12:15:37 by Morné Reply
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  • I’m also 1 who feels the Sharks are close to useless when it come to backline player development, most of their players survive their 1st seasons based purely on their freakish talent, Paul Jordaan for instance started early, but he has a poor pass, how can the Sharks 1st choice outside centre have such a poor pass, the Sharks haven’t produced a fullback of their own in ages, Ludik, Viljoen and Montgomery for that matter all brought in from outside, the 12s with the exception of Steyn all bought

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.05.13 12:16:07 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 18) :

    It does not seem it does what you say for everyone – he is not the first player that has aired this opinion.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.05.13 12:17:46 by Morné Reply
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  • In the forwards department I’ll give them dues, but in terms of backline, something lacking there

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.05.13 12:20:46 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 23) :

    Jean de Villiers still can’t pass and he has had 90 odd test matches. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.05.13 12:24:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • On another note, where is Kanko? Still in bad form even though Meyer invited him to Boks?

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.05.13 12:25:25 by Morné Reply
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  • I suspect the glut of rugby talent constantly coming bubbling up through the junior ranks means unions like the Sharks and others probably find it more cost-effective to simply gamble on a few promising younger players (even if all the gambles don’t work out) instead of putting serious development time into an entire squad of young players coming up through the various age-group ranks.

    I suspect the Bulls took this concept of gambling on players to the extreme by buying two to three promising players for every position.

    Doubt it’s the right approach though because even the most talented of players need specialist coaching.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.05.13 12:26:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : Netbal paas werk goed vir hom!

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.05.13 12:28:29 by King Shark Reply
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  • Another interesting thing to consider…

    I think it was Tim Noakes who once said only 5% of ‘talented’ sportsman will ever make it as a successful professional player…

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.05.13 12:28:47 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 25) : I don’t have inside knowledge about what happens in the Sharks setup, but I have previously said it – it seems very much to me that skills development of players is not high on the agenda. It seems to be up to the individuals themselves.

    You often see a young player bursting onto the scene (e.g. Jordaan) and then from his second year on-wards no more progression.

    So I think what he is saying has some merit.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.05.13 12:31:38 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 22) : let’s do a whip-around to buy him the ticket… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.05.13 12:31:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 13) : This is not the first time we’ve heard grumblings. What pisses me off is that it’s acceptable that we borrow lions players to plug holes and leave our youngsters in vodacom cup. I’m sure the loan of Franco vd merwe had something to do with jandre marais deciding to move on to greener pastures. We struggle to back our youngsters, and that’s plain wrong. I’d rather see some of the young guys getting a shot in stead of seeing JC and Franco and Minnie on tour.

    The games may be a bit harder with some young okes in, but that experience would have been invaluable for them. In stead we went out to hire mercenaries that only played for their paychecks. Our team averages over 50 caps per player, and that must surely mean that some young guys can come in. We’re not lacking for experience even with all the injuries.

    Our skills coaching isn’t up to scratch and that’s a fact. If the best guys we have are helping the sharks – and our handling is something awful these days – I shudder to think of the clowns teaching at the academy. In stead of seeing this as an attack, see it as a damn wake up call for us to focus more on the skills players need.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.05.13 12:33:28 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : :lol: I’m good for R10 towards that!

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.05.13 12:33:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) :

    The coach or the player? :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.05.13 12:39:02 by Morné Reply
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  • Guys guys, if it is any consolation – WP is accused of exactly the same.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.05.13 12:39:43 by Morné Reply
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  • Reading between the lines it’s apparent that the skills coaching needs to be improved. I’ve seen some horrendous passing and handling this season , which is inexcusable at this level. The responsibility falls purely on the shoulders of the coaches to fix or improve. If it takes a parting shot or dig to make things right then I’m all for the criticism labelled against the coaching staff.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.05.13 12:42:44 by slammerboy Reply
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  • We have an embarrassment of riches when looking at the amount of rugby players in this country, which is why skills development is neglected. If you can’t do the job, we’ll just buy the next talent coming through and so on and so forth.

    We should be murdering every team in world rugby, yet NZ, with far less players than us are actually punching above their weight.

    We fell out of the buss when rugby became professional, because professional players need skills. But we preferred to blame our rugby shortcomings on isolation and politics which is why we’re still stuck in the seventies with rugby. (yeah I know, the forbidden word, but it is used merely for emphases and not to stir)

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.05.13 12:46:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 23) : U ask what fullback did we produce well pat lambie was and in my mind is still a fullback

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.05.13 12:53:24 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 31) : exactly, you can’t fault the work done in the forwards.

    Backline skills though are lacking big time at the Sharks.

    @slammerboy (Comment 37) : you make valid points Slammerboy, look Mjekevu wasn’t that great at the Sharks. I think he lacks heart, but he’s onto to something here

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.05.13 12:54:37 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 35) : Oh, I think you know… :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.05.13 12:57:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks4eve2013 (Comment 39) : Lambie’s case is more like Paul Jordaan, just talented player who stepped up early.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.05.13 13:05:00 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 42) :Thats the thing talent if you got it you don’t need skill development u born with it and a couch can help and teach all they want it’s not going to work

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.05.13 13:11:25 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • @sharks4eve2013 (Comment 43) : A couch will teach you nothing. A coach on the other hand has merit.

    Yes, the natural talented ala PSDT and Lambie was born with superglue hands, but for the most part the other players wasn’t. they need to work at it constantly to improve, and I get the feeling that there aren’t enough work done.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.05.13 13:20:42 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 40) : I agree with you. The backline development is definitely more of a weak spot than the forwards. It ties into the whole Sharks attitude at the moment to be so much more forward focussed which to me is not the Natal way of playing.

    I think what this interview shows in the least is that there is an issue. It can be twofold however, I think partly to blame is the level of development and coaching provided to the players, but also is the attitude clearly shown by Wandi that players should just need to pitch up to practise and then they will get better. Real improvement needs a lot of overtime work.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.05.13 13:33:35 by Orelando_G Reply

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  • @PTAShark (Comment 44) : the players them self or couches cause i can remember in my young days playing waterpolo the couch thought me the bacics i had to do the hard work in developing those skills not the couch i just feel players these days want everything on a siver platter

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.05.13 13:36:34 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • @sharks4eve2013 (Comment 46) : I’m guessing too much time spent in the pool and not enough time spent on your English homework? Am I close? :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.05.13 13:41:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 47) : Ja boet wat kan ek se is what it is and to much time in the pool ek vra omverskooning didn’t do to well in afrikans to

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.05.13 13:44:27 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • @PTAShark (Comment 33) : There I agree ;)

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.05.13 14:00:36 by Uli Reply
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  • When you think about it, there haven’t been many players that the sharks have decided to not give contracts to that have gone elsewhere and done extremely well for themselves. There’s a lot of players who have reached the glass ceiling with regards to their potential. We moaned about losing a lot of them, but who has truly left the sharks because they weren’t deemed good enough and have gone on to excel elsewhere?There’s only enough contracts for a certain amount of players and if you are not a front line player, you need to be pushing that player for their position or you’re inevitably you’re gonna get culled. I’m not reffering to players like brad barrit here, but ones the union doesn’t want to keep. I definitely agree with Mjekevu on the Marius Joubert/Tyler fisher issue though. Hopefully John Smit trims some of the dead wood from the union including Joubert and Strauilli, who facilitated the situation

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.05.13 14:47:55 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 50) : Rory Kockott comes to mind.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.05.13 14:54:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 51) : I agree, but when he was here…. no one wanted him in the team… Just a typical sharks fault again.

    Just that actually makes me think we need a culture overall, maybe the MMD stadium is not that bad of an idea after all…

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.05.13 15:04:37 by Uli Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 51) : true, but there’s hardly a plethora of players who didn’t get offered contracts and are doing much better elsewhere, points to the sharks doing something right

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.05.13 16:04:10 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 53) : also true

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.05.13 16:22:42 by Uli Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 53) : this is what I cling to…. in fact, I battle to name any of the “disaffected youths” that have gone on to set the world alight elsewhere… I keep looking for the one that got away, and not finding him

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.05.13 16:26:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : proves we definitely have the players (only need 2 look at who has the most contracted springboks, with Meyer as coach noggal ), but the lack of silverware definitely points to a deficiency in the coaching department

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.05.13 16:36:04 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Think of it this way then. We have an endless list of complaints regarding the way the Sharks handles coaching, players, recruiting, etc…

    We have a player like Kankowski left in the cold when we were short on loose forwards while on tour.

    Taking all that into account, are we seriously giving the Sharks the benefit of the doubt on this one? And that, based on the fact that players that moved on to other unions did not set the world alight (perhaps because these other unions also have the same expectations but are unwilling to invest in specialist coaching?)

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.05.13 16:41:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Exactly, and at the same time one sees bucketloads of guys that have come through the ranks (age group and accademy) being picked up by smaller unions, varsities etc and making a good fist of it but not quiete cracking a bigger (Super Rugby) contract.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.05.13 16:46:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 57) : Taking all the negativity that goes on about the Sharks, its damn amazing that anyone would even sign with them or that they can even play in Super Rugby.

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.05.13 16:48:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 57) : what I’m getting at is that it’s definitely not a black and white thing… it’s neither perfect nor terrible, but somewhere in between, as are most things in life.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.05.13 17:15:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • Having seen Mjekevu play a few times, I struggle to see how he dropped in estimation as he did at the Sharks. Particularly since he took the trouble to muscle up and add bulk to that 19 year old skinny frame.

    A similar thing can be said of Sithole, Lindeque and the Marais brothers. The Marais brothers for instance are both better than Franco v/d Merwe. Why the hell are they not being utilized. The consequence of this being the loss of Jandre to France – very sad. Surely Mjekevu and Sithole would have been better options than old man Ndungane who now has the pace of a prop

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.05.13 17:30:44 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 61) : Very easy to sit back and say play the lighties when your pay cheque isn’t in jeopardy.

    I think we should start utilizing the Vodacom Cup as a mainly u23 and Sharks reserves team. Get rid of the deadwood and introduce these guys to the game plan. Furthermore I would like to see more Durbanites in the Vodacom side as an initiative to produce a homegrown side; all 3 Du Preez brothers ,the Kriel brothers ,HRE younger son ,Kubeka and so on…

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.05.13 23:50:04 by Talent Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 59) : There is one aspect of the Sharks administration that everyone seems to be very positive about – they know how to manage their finances. So no, it’s not really that amazing that there are Sharks players who are happy there and that we do well enough (by some standards anyway) in Super Rugby.

    @robdylan (Comment 60) : Apologies, misunderstood your previous comment but agree with you. Problem is the Sharks are neither perfect nor terrible in a lot that they do and that seems to be too ingrained in their culture as union.

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.05.13 08:55:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • The fact that Rudolf is said to be unsure of what country Mjekevu is headed to is ridiculous. If you handle the contracting at a union, you should have your finger on the pulse of when & where players are headed.

    Secondly, let’s get this point straight: the Sharks & Sharks Academy haven’t developed local talent. Ian Mac & Dick Muir did. If you look at the class of 2006/2007, it was Dick Muir who actively backed the likes of Beast, Bismark, Keegan Daniel, Kanko, Frans Steyn, JP Pietersen, Brad Barritt, Waylon Murray. THIS is when we had a Sharks CULTURE.

    Don’t blame the likes of the Kriel twins for leaving a province that no longer backs its local players. Priority should be with KZN schoolboys. When there is a weakness, then you contract a fantastic schoolboy from out of province like a Frans Steyn. The same is said of the Sharks u21s & Vodacom Cup boys. If there is a weakness and you have an opportunity to sign a player at the top of their game like a Fred Michalak or Will Genia, etc…that’s completely understandable. But to bring in players who are never going to set the world alight or inspire youngsters around them? What a cop out

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.05.13 11:33:29 by disgruntled shark Reply

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