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IRB Junior World Championship semi-final: South Africa (17) v Wales (18) F/T


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Posted in :Original Content on 18 Jun 2013 at 16:35
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The Junior Springboks take on Wales in the IRB JWC semi-final, kicking off at 18h15 in Nantes, France.

The game will be broadcast live on SuperSport 1.

Junior Springboks:

15 Cheslin Kolbe, 14 Luther Obi, 13 Dries Swanepoel, 12 Handre Pollard, 11 Seabelo Senatla, 10 Rob du Preez, 9 Stefan Ungerer, 8 Ruan Steenkamp (capt), 7 Jacques du Plessis, 6 Roelof Smit, 5 Dennis Visser, 4 Irne Herbst, 3 Luan de Bruin, 2 Jacques du Toit, 1 Andrew Beerwinkel
Subs: 16 Mike Willemse, 17 Sti Sithole, 18 Aidon Davis, 19 Kwagga Smit, 20 Percy Williams, 21 Justin Geduld, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Marne Coetzee

Wales:
Jordan Williams (Scarlets / Llanelli); Ashley Evans (Ospreys/ Bridgend), Steffan Hughes (Scarlets / Llanelli), Jack Dixon (Dragons), Hallam Amos (Dragons/ Newport); Sam Davies (Ospreys / Swansea), Rhodri Williams (Scarlets/ Llandovery); Gareth Thomas (Scarlets/ Carmarthen Quins), Ethan Lewis (Blues / Cardiff), Nicky Thomas (Ospreys / Swansea), Carwyn Jones (Scarlets/ Carmarthen), Rhodri Hughes (Ospreys/ Swansea), Sion Bennett (Scarlets/ Carmarthen), Ellis Jenkins (capt, Blues / Cardiff), Ieuan Jones (Dragons/ Newport).
Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons / Bedwas), Thomas Davies (Blues /Cardiff), Dan Suter (Ospreys/ Bridgend), Jack Jones (Ospreys / Rovigo), Daniel Thomas (Scarlets/ Llanelli), Joshua Davies (Dragons / Bedwas), Aaron Warren (Llandovery), Thomas Pascoe (Blues / Pontypridd)



43 Comments

  • Go Bokkies!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.06.13 16:44:14 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Baby Dragons will be looking for more after last years JWC and falling short of a grand slam in this years U20 6N. Quite a few of these players have had some game time for their clubs, Ieuan Jones has been lined up to replace Faletau in Newport, while Jack Dixon was increasingly involved as the season progressed. Dixon is a similar centre to Roberts. Hard and strong, takes a bit to put down, good defence. SA will need to front up in midfield, as Dixon and Hughes have looked pretty good so far.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.06.13 17:08:53 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • So far our backline has looked amazing, some real game-breakers there. Unfortunately, apart from that big NO7 I can’t really say the same about the forwards.

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.06.13 17:55:54 by jonnow Reply

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  • Ungerer’s passing is KAK!

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.06.13 18:19:32 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Back and forth so far, very entertainingly and fast paced. Wales up 3-0. Some good breaks from both sides, Wales have the upper hand in the scrum.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.06.13 18:39:59 by Here be dragons Reply

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  • Our scrum sucks

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.06.13 18:49:23 by Bok-Clyde-Kiwi Reply

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  • If we manage to win this, and it’s a BIG IF, the Baby Blacks are going to humiliate us. This is the worst forward pack I’ve seen in a Bokkie side. :sad:

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.06.13 18:53:02 by rhineshark Reply
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  • And we score from a lineout with the oldest trick in the book. :grin:

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.06.13 18:57:25 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Half-time. Baby Boks 7 – 6 Wales

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.06.13 19:02:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • Stop kicking everything away FFS!

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.06.13 19:17:19 by rhineshark Reply
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  • What’s the score?

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.06.13 19:53:38 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 11) : Wales won 18-17

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.06.13 19:56:00 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Final score 17 -18 to Wales.

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.06.13 19:56:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well, that sucked. Why was Pollard our kicker this game anyway? Come on!!! His misses were crucial. He’s been off form from game 1.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.06.13 19:56:58 by TRF_Ezequiel Reply

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  • Am I allowed to call it as it is? That was an absolute farce!

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.06.13 19:58:18 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Wales deserved to win. By far the better side on the park.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.06.13 19:58:45 by rhineshark Reply
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  • How did Ruan Steenkamp ever make this team, let alone become captain?

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.06.13 20:01:42 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 17) : bloody good question.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.06.13 20:03:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 17) : Agreed, he has consistantly been South Africa’s worst player on the field.

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.06.13 20:05:22 by jonnow Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Spies seems to have set a precedent. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.06.13 20:05:50 by rhineshark Reply
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  • SA played as idividuals and not as a team, Wales was better

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.06.13 20:11:32 by Mutley Reply
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  • Poor scrumming and looseforward play. Only Smit really having any serious impact ,good little player. Jaque Du Plesis ,big boy ,but yet another big poefta from Pretoria :lol:

    Handre Pollard was shocking.

    We kicked possession away far to often ,stupid Bulls game plan.

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.06.13 20:11:34 by Talent Reply
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  • Am I really the only one who thinks neither of their tries should have been allowed?

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.06.13 20:48:51 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Let’s hope Brendan Venter haven’t bought into this national game-plan. :roll:

    From this squad, only Ungerer and especially Kolbe really stood out. Du Preez seems to have a lot of talent, let’s hope they develop him into a distributing fh.

    That skip pass of his is a thing of beauty (didn’t see any of it today), as apposed to the “please-intercept-me” skip pass from Pollard.

    Du Preez will need to work on his goal kicking though, judging his previous games, he wouldn’t have done any better than Pollard today.

    Was Pollard really the best 12 we took on tour? Or was it his X-factor that determined that he had to be on the field even if it was out of position? :roll:

    As for the forwards…..tjoeps :x

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.06.13 21:07:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 23) : I didn’t see the second one, but the first one definitely should not have been awarded. It annoyed me that the Kiwi commentator tried to say it was justified because of the “classy” build up play. No. Just no.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.06.13 22:32:37 by MerckZ Reply

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  • While this Baby Bok side was no great shakes, they were robbed by the useless ref awarding that try when the Welsh player clearly dropped it going over the line – why on earth was it not referred?

    Apart from Jacques du Plessis, the lock playing 7, the Baby Bok forwards lacked grunt and aggression. Piss poor props, passive locks and a useless player in captain Steenkamp at 8.

    In the backs, du Preez is boring at 10, Pollard is not an inside centre and Geduld at 13 is an insult physically. The wings and Kolbe at 15 were very good.

    All in all an average Baby Bok side – Theron best get his house in order next year.

    Too many class acts were left out this year like Tyler Fisher, Swiel, Jessie Kriel originally, Janse v Rensburg originally, Daniel Kriel, Neetling Fouche etc

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.06.13 22:58:21 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 26) : Agree ,they can feel cheated .Then again ,their aimless kicking fed that Welsh side free ball ;our organisation on defense and actually in most other aspects was poor. It irks me that with a team with as many ball players as we had we didn’t opt to keep ball in hand.

    I have to disagree with you ,Jaque Du Plesis based on these showings was ordinary ,you just fancy him because hes big. I don’t know how Daniel Kriel didn’t make that side?!? Tyler Fisher?!

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.06.13 23:23:34 by Talent Reply
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  • [email protected]Talent (Comment 27) : Sadly du Plessis had to carry the forwards physically and was dead on his feet by game 4.

    He was huge against England. You are completely wrong about him. Everyone has noted that the lad has a big future. To be fair he is not a 7, lock is his spot

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.06.13 23:46:10 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 28) : I don’t see it yet ,maybe he will become good with time. He certainly isn’t anywhere as good as Du Toit, Ardendorf ,Willemse or Ruan Botha were last year. Anonymous in the last two games ,but may be due to exhaustion. Jean Luc Du Preez ,now that kid is going to be what we’ve all been waiting for; built like Spies (perhaps heavier)-plays like Alberts, more mongrel than any school boy player I’ve ever seen.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.06.13 00:10:35 by Talent Reply
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  • so why did the coaching staff not change the kicker at half time. pollard totally out of it this year.must have the blue bull fever.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.06.13 07:57:23 by pete69 Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 17) : The same way so many others in this side were picked – reputation and nepotism.

    This reminded me of the opening game against Ireland last year – persistent aimless kicking poorly executed – typical Heynecke Meyer game plan without the resources to execute it or the ability to adjust.

    Du Plessis and Kwagga Smit were the only forwards who looked good enough – Smit sadly looks a bit small to progress much. The tight five were terrible!

    The backs were also poor and lacked penetration – but then when last have we seen a South African backline play with any sort of creativity – watch the final try the All Blacks scored againt France on the weekend and in particular Conrad Smiths contribution for an example of skill and creativity. I think that we continue to delude ourselves that our skills levels are world class – they are not. We rely on size wnd ignore skills development which is ok at an inter schools level but is exposed at the higher level.

    We have big props who cant scrum, hookers that cant throw into a line out and locks that dont lock the scrum. Worst of all for me is the general standard of passing amongst the backs – it is simply not good enough

    Ungerer is talented but needs to spend a lot of time working on his pass if he wants to play at a higher level.
    Du Preez’s decision making at 10 was/is poor – aimless kicking – but perhaps that is the game plan?
    Pollard is completely overated and should never be allowed to put on a number 12 jersey again – perhaps he is a 10 but even in that channel you need to be able to tackle a bit – or perhaps not if Heynecke Meyer likes you?
    Geduld is simply too small and Swanepoel one dimensional and selfish.
    The back three attack well but are defensively weak.
    Kolbe certainly has X factor but like many “X factor” players he is capable of a brain implosion like trying to run out of his 22 in the last minute of the game when all you have to do is close it out.

    I dont like to critisise the individual players – they are youngsters and they did not pick themselves – but we need to have a long hard look at our national development structures and skills development if we are ever going to realise our potential as a rugby nation.

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.06.13 08:27:13 by steve Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 26) : @steve (Comment 31) : As much as Geduld is a bit small, he was much better defensively and on attack than Dries, Dries was shocking the whole tournament. Maybe if Tyler Fischer was there. Come on Daniel Kriel? The kid can’t live of schoolboy reputation.

    Let’s take time to acknowledge SA’s best player at the tourney, Cheslin Kolbe. Who might I add, Saffex wrote off before the tournament. What have you got to say now.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.06.13 08:42:54 by Ludz Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 31) : Ja, one day when we’re big we’ll stop blaming poor refereeing and realise that we are to blame when we lose.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.06.13 09:02:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) : they did get a try that shouldn’t have been awarded, but we were still poor. I agree Fire

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.06.13 09:14:31 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 34) : Before tmo’s, that try would have been awarded no questions asked.

    We should have scored a few tries, especially when Dries Swanepoel merely had to pass the ball back inside instead of trying to be the hero. But alas, our poor game plan has once again been exposed.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.06.13 09:16:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 31) : a very astute summation.

    Just a point re du Preez. I reckon he’s been told to play a certain way and I don’t think it’s the way he naturally plays. The kid does have a big boot, but his radar is sometimes off. In fact, if anything, I think he battles to kick shorter distances.

    He’s huge, though, with great feet and a good ability to get through a half-gap and offload. Surely we should be using that aspect more, with somebody big and fast running off him?

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.06.13 09:21:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @steve (Comment 31) : We rely on size wnd ignore skills development which is ok at an inter schools level but is exposed at the higher level.

    Precisely! That’s exactly why New Zealand is so far ahead of us and why they will remain so far ahead of us, unless somehow there is a major mentality shift in SA Rugby.

    Face it – it ain’t gonna happen. Not in our lifetimes, anyway. :cry:

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.06.13 09:34:22 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 37) : I believe that they play in weight divisions as juniors in NZ which may contribute to better skills development.

    @robdylan (Comment 36) : I have no doubt that the mindless game plan is part of the problem. I am sure that it is dictated down by the national coach who fervently believes in playing to our apparent historic strengths.

    Unfortunately, aside from a few short periods in the modern era, he has not seemed to notice that it is no longer our god given right to dominate our opponents physically on the rugby field and our tight fives have in recent times suffered the occasional humiliation at, heaven forbid, even the hands of the like of England!

    Heynecke Meyer’s approach relys on a strong set piece, winning the collisions, and a well executed kicking game combined with a well organised chase and defence. It can be very effective when you tick all of those boxes, albeit about as exciting as watching paint dry, but if you are getting out muscled in the tight phases and at the breakdown it simply cant work.

    It seems clear that the players have no latitude to vary the approach so simply plug away – repeating the same orchestrated and telegraphed moves with the same result.

    It seems clear to me that if we persist down this path we will continue to fall behind the likes of NZ and will in due course be struggling to keep up with the 6 nations sides unless some sort of divine intervention puts something in the water in Pretoria and we suddenly start producing seven foot five locks and 200kg props :smile:

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.06.13 10:51:20 by steve Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 38) : I’m sure Heyneke is on the phone to the water board as we speak :)

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.06.13 10:52:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Reminds me of a “Not the Nine o’clock news” skit – “the electricity board” :grin:

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.06.13 11:25:48 by steve Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 38) : They do play in weight and age divisions, depending on skills level. My stepson went to St. Peter’s College in Auckland and this is their selection policy:

    Selection Etiquette:

    - Age grade vs. weight restricted grades. Where applicable, all players must play in their age grade in the first instance. When a player is deemed good enough he will be instructed to play in the age grade (e.g. U14 not 6th Grade) over weight restricted grades.
    For example – an U14 player is encouraged to trial for the U14s in the first instance. If he is not selected for the U14s he will then be eligible for selection for a weight restricted team.

    - For age grades all boys are to play in the correct age band. Age is taken from the 1st of January of the current year.

    - For weight restricted grades all boys are to play in the correct weight band. Weight restricted grades are:

    4th Grade – 68kg-76kg
    5th Grade – 60kg–68kg
    6th Grade – 52kg-60kg
    7th Grade – Under 52 kg U13 rest – Under 55kg U12 – Under 49 kg

    - St Peter’s will select one U12 res (U49kg) and one U13 res (U55kg) to represent the school in the Auckland Club Championship Competition each year.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.06.13 11:34:40 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 29) : Disagree du Plessis is better than Ruan Botha, Willemse or Ardendorf. He was playing in an average Baby Bok pack and stood out

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.06.13 22:42:27 by Saffex Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 32) : What crap, Geduld was useless when it came to the big sides like England and Wales. Dries was far better, that try he scored against the French was great.

    Kolbe was very good but he has no future at a higher level unless he converts to 9

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.06.13 22:45:15 by Saffex Reply

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