Richard Ferguson

Minor changes to Bok pack


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 19 Jun 2013 at 12:40

The Springbok team to face Samoa see a few changes to the pack, while Jean de Villiers will play should he be able to prove his fitness.

De Villiers will be the only change to the backline if he does not play, with Jan Serfontein bracketed in next to him.

Amongst the forwards, we see an unchanged front row once again. Flip van der Merwe joins Eben Etzebeth in the second row, Juandre Kruger dropping to the bench. Francois Louw is back in place of Marcell Coetzee, while Willem Alberts is set to start his first match, should he be fit. In the case of Alberts not proving his fitness, Siya Kolisi will start the match.

The bench might see a few changes, with those players out of the starting fifteen dropping down. The only change, should Jean de Villiers not play, will see Juan de Jongh take a spot on the bench and Jan Serfontein start the match.

Springboks: 15. Willie le Roux, 14. Bryan Habana, 13. JJ Engelbrecht, 12. Jean de Villiers (Capt) / Jan Serfontein, 11. Bjorn Basson, 10. Morne Steyn, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 8. Pierre Spies, 7. Willem Alberts / Siya Kolisi, 6. Francois Louw, 5. Flip van der Merwe, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Adriaan Strauss, 1. Tendai Mtawarira. Substitutes: 16. Bismarck du Plessis, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Coenie Oosthuizen, 19. Juandre Kruger, 20. Siya Kolisi / Marcell Coetzee, 21. Piet van Zyl, 22. Pat Lambie, 23. Jan Serfontein / Juan de Jongh



50 Comments

  • Playing Jean de Villiers and Willem Alberts with both players not being able to train is silly.

    Especially against Samoa and the physicality they bring!

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.06.13 12:47:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Just one or two little changes and this team can win the rugby championship.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.06.13 12:48:25 by JD Reply
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  • Good call with Flip at 5. We need extra grunt up front.

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.06.13 12:52:12 by rumblo Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 2) : Two changes:

    1. Gameplan
    2. New coaching staff
    :twisted:

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.06.13 12:52:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • No Lappies Labuschagne, Ebersohn or Adriaanse :evil:

    Instead we risk our captain and our primary ball-carrier in a nothing match as well as run Jannie into the ground!! Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.06.13 12:55:18 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @rumblo (Comment 3) : and a few penalties, and maybe a yellow card :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.06.13 12:55:52 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 5) :

    Agreed, why have the big squad if there is going to be little or no rotation at all!

    These are three minnow teams, we really should have given the whole lot a run. What difference does it make if we have a few players with only 1 Springbok cap. It is not making the Springbok cap cheap, it is keeping our players from season ending injuries..

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.06.13 12:57:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Is this match a ‘final’?

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.06.13 13:02:13 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 8) :

    Supposedly..

    Some stupid ‘conference winner’ trophy to be handed over..

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.06.13 13:06:08 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : That’s it exactly!!

    I would have rested Jannie completely for this series and played Herbst and Adriaanse in order to build some depth as well as preserve Jannie’s career.

    Lappies, Engelbrect from the Kings and Brussouw have been the form loose forwards in SA and should have been used in this series.

    Ebersohn should have been used as well!!! The All Blacks are building depth and we are making the Rugby Championship easy for them!

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.06.13 13:13:32 by ChrisS Reply
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  • So Marcel has managed to play himself out of the squad with Siya being favoured above him?

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.06.13 13:46:52 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 11) :

    They are not playing for the same spot..

    Coetzee is ousted by the return of Louw..

    Kolisi might still play if Alberts again fails to recover from injury..

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.06.13 13:49:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : I think Marcel is playing/being-used-for the wrong position in any case. He is, and never will be an open side flank, whoever converted him did him a great disservice.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.06.13 13:52:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : I suppose you are right to a degree, but if Marcel was playing the rugby he was playing last year he wouold have been selected above Kolisi but his form is not quite there this year.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.06.13 13:56:09 by Viking Reply
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  • This confirms it for me – Steyn will be the starting 10 in the RC :twisted:

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.06.13 14:17:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 15) : Very unimpressed that Lambie isn’t getting a proper chance. Steyn will be a swinging door for the Samoans to run through! His defence was pathetic this past weekend against the Scots!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.06.13 14:27:41 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 16) : Its a disgrace isnt it. Morne can play poorly in 7 straight tests and for the Bulls all season 2012…Lambie hasnt even played poorly in the Bok jumper…yet.

    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : Rich what is up with Mark Keohane’s pathetic obsessions with SPies and Steyn…especialy Spies. How can anyone worth their salt claim Spies has earned his place??? He has no worth….He is only good in the lineouts and obviously if put in space. Steyn, at least, is good at what he does even if its all he does!!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.06.13 15:02:30 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 17) : Morne’s improved a bit but I’d like to have seen lambie get a chance to stake his claim for the RC. Will Morne even be available?

    @pienaar111 (Comment 17) : Spies should be used as a wing. He has the physical attributes to be an eighthman but not the right mental attitude!

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.06.13 15:22:33 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Just hope Pienaar stops with the lateral-run-before-the-pass this week.

    @pienaar111 (Comment 17) : It’s a SARU policy I’m afraid – every Bok team needs a ruck inspector :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.06.13 15:29:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Lambie TOO English? Net n klip in die bos. I prefer Lambie not against Samoa, because they tend to hurt players and we need him, but I feel sorry for him.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.06.13 15:36:35 by Stef Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 17) : I cannot listen to the Afrikaans commentators (and I am afrikaans), because they rave so much about Morne that you feel sick in the stomach.

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.06.13 15:39:21 by Stef Reply

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  • @Stef (Comment 20) : too English, too intelligent, although HM is doing his utmost to dumb Lambie down.

    Lambie will have to take a stand, because once Morné is out, Goosen will be first choice, and in a few year’s time Goosen and Pollard will be first and second choice.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.06.13 15:46:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 17) :

    Dude, you need to realise that those boys arent just in the journalist game; they’re also in the PR game…?

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.06.13 15:49:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • This side is still carrying too much baggage.

    Or not enough, if you believe these guys should just be cannon fodder for the physical Samoans.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.06.13 15:50:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 22) : I think Lambie’s better than Goosen

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.06.13 15:57:16 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 23) : Public Relations???

    I dont care what they are involved in. If you are going to write for people to see and comment – it better be writing of substance. Look at Tony Johnston’s columns.

    @Stef (Comment 21) : I suppose certain Afrikaners (northerners) feel like they need to praise their man, whatever the cost. This is foolish. If I were tasked with the job I would make it my duty to pick the best players to make the best team. if only 1 comes from the Sharks – so be it. But picking Kruger, Spies, Hougie (after a poor season – Vermaak much better), Kirchner is just foolish. Picking Flip at 5 might not be bad….

    For eg I would drop Beast, because he simply isnt the best in his position and I would go so far as to say that both Coenie and Nyakane are better right now.

    You pick your best XV regardless of name, province , etc. I could go on but its pointless.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.06.13 16:16:24 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 25) : Lambie if given the freedom to play as he sees fit is better than Goosen. He is a proven match winner with ice in his veins and the best Bok 10 on D. The Goose has yet to prove anything in pressure matches…and in fact has been found wanting thus far….that being said he has huge potential

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.06.13 16:18:15 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 18) : Spies should be ideal for a wing…but he lacks vision and anticipation. A winger should be deadly and pop up in the right places in the wrong time. Wouldnt have him near my team…a man that size should be breaking people at the very least

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.06.13 16:21:02 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 26) : “You pick your best XV regardless of name, province , etc. I could go on but its pointless.”

    HM has once again highlighted why former provincial coaches should not be contracted to coach the national side. Sadly we’ve once again fallen into that age old trap. :roll:

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.06.13 16:29:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 26) :

    Dude, I know dutchies that still worship Hansie Cronje…

    As for the PR – yeah man, they had a deal going with the Watsons.
    Suddenly they became very pro-Watson, pro Kings etc.

    Dont be naieve mate. Just check out their website – they dont exactly hide it: http://www.hsm.co.za/what_we_do/what-we-do#pr

    If you click through to playerlink you’ll see each player they officially represent.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.06.13 16:38:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Fact is Lambie is bad this year and Steyn is better, it’s got nothing to do with the language I speak or what they speak. Stop whining and bitching, open your eyes and take of your black&white glasses.

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.06.13 17:35:04 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 22) : Although Goosen may be preferred at 10 for the Boks over Lambie, he has yet to prove he can play a complete season without a major injury. I honestly don’t think Lambie need worry about Goosen, he just needs to get past Morne at this point.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.06.13 17:35:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 31) : And where did you get those “facts”? You Magazine?

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.06.13 18:30:06 by Shaz Reply
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  • Shaz no I just open my eyes and take an objective look at how they play. I like Lambie way more than Steyn but this year Steyn is better than Lambie. When Lambie’s on form he should be Bok 10 but he’s not in form at the moment.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.06.13 18:45:19 by JD Reply
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  • Shaz I’m an evil dutchman that does not read english magazines, so take another guess.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.06.13 18:52:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 35) : Aahhh… Huis Genoot… It’s all becoming clear to me now. I disagree. Not because I am not able to be objective… But because I am able to see that whilst Morne is playing way better than he was last year, he still only does one thing, and one thing only well… and that’s kick. And even then, he’s not perfect. And has virtually the same kicking average as Pat this season. In fact, they are neck and neck in the kicking stakes this year. Given that there is little to choose between them in terms of kicking stats, do you REALLY think that Morne is playing better? You are not alone in your assumption that “FACTS” support Morne as a “better” player. The actual “fact” is that because the Bulls have won more games than the Sharks, it looks on paper like Morne is playing better, when, in “fact”, he’s not. If you want to go with “facts”, let’s go with actual “facts” and not presumed ones.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.06.13 19:08:29 by Shaz Reply
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  • Poor poor Pat…

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.06.13 19:29:16 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Shaz (Comment 36) : true but play morne and lets hope for a hospital pass like derick hougard that’s my thinking

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.06.13 19:39:38 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • Heyneke needs to go. He’s playing good players till they break. We are lacking test experience in key positions going into the RC. After a few more rounds of S15 brutality I wonder what how many overseas players will end up in the starting line up to try and bring experience.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.06.13 19:40:18 by rumblo Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 34) : Lambie may not be on form per say but he still offers so much more to the game than Steyn ever does. Just watch the last 12 minutes of the match and how much more energy was brought in by Pat and Piet. Bismarck too showed his class and how he deserves a starting spot much sooner than anybody thought. This week was Meyers last chance to give his younger and more promising players a run, but no, he has gone with the classic, idiotic Meyer choices.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.06.13 19:40:40 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 40) : but do you want to risk injuries against samoa because they are more physical and i for one don’t want the like’s of lambie to get hammered against them that a job for stein let the beeld huis genoot and all the MORNE STEIN believers se how pathetic he really is

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.06.13 19:54:21 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • OK. I’ve now done my homework.. so all you Lambie bashers can STOP your bashing…

    As at Week 15 of SupeRugby here are the kicking averages/stats for Patrick Lambie (with Morne Steyn’s for comparison) courtesy of Sanzar…

    Week 2: Sharks 29 Cheetahs 22
    Lambie: 5 pen, 2 con 19 points, 100% average (Steyn: 90%)

    Week 3: Sharks 12 Stormers 6
    Lambie: 4 pen 12 points, 100% average (Steyn: 75%)

    Week 4: Sharks 21 Kings 12
    Lambie: 6 pen, 1 drop 21 points, 100% average (Steyn: 90%)

    Week 5: Sharks 10 Brumbies 29
    Lambie: 1 pen, 1 con, 6 points, 100% average (Steyn: 100%)

    Week 6: Sharks 64 Rebels 7 (A bad week for Lambie)
    Lambie: 2 con 4 points, 30% average (Steyn: 90%)

    Week 7: BYE (Steyn: 90%)

    Week 8: Sharks 21 Crusaders 17
    Lambie: 7 pen 21 points, 100% average (Steyn: BYE)

    Week 9: Sharks 15 Stormers 22
    Lambie: 5 pen 15 points 100% average (Steyn: 100%)

    Week 10: Sharks 6 Cheetahs 12
    Lambie: 2 pen 6 points, 100% average (Steyn: 100%)

    Week 11: Sharks 29 Chiefs 37
    Lambie: 3 con 9 points, 50% average (Steyn: 75%)

    Week 12: Sharks 22 Highlanders 25
    Lambie: 1 pen, 2 con, 7 points 75% average (Steyn: 100%)

    Week 13: Sharks 17 Reds 32
    Lambie: 1 pen, 2 con 7 points, 75% average (Steyn: BYE)

    Week 14: Sharks 23 Force 13
    Lambie: 3 pen, 2 con, 13 points, 75% average (Steyn: 90%)

    Week 15: Sharks 16 Bulls 18
    Lambie: 3 pen, 1 con 11 points, 90% average (Steyn: 75%)

    As I am sure anyone with half a brain and a calculator can work out, these stats do not reflect the conclusion that many of you seem to be working on that Lambie is a) out of form or b) playing worse than Steyn. You will also note that at the start of the season, if it weren’t for Lambie and an astounding run of 100% kicking averages, the Sharks would have seen their backsides a lot sooner and be up for relegation.

    If those of you out there want to throw stones at Mr Lambie, then please make sure you have the ammunition to do so. It’s going to take a lot to outgun the above.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.06.13 20:21:34 by Shaz Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 2) : But it won’t.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.06.13 20:23:44 by Shaz Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 40) : Lambie is not out of form. He’s playing with an out of form team.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.06.13 20:24:45 by Shaz Reply
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  • Id much rather Steyn go than Spies .If both jumped into a whirlpool off a ship and I ,being safe because my ship is super buoyant ,had but one life jacket to throw to either id throw to Spies(purely based on Rugby reasons :lol: ).

    Steyn doesn’t draw and pass ,play flat ,tackle well on either shoulder ,know how to make an inside pass ,no look pass ,behind the back quade cooper pass ,SWB offload ,step ,side step ,set up improv moves, spot an overlap ,vary his passes from flat to deep,throw dummies, get his hands through the tackle. He can kick. Get him out of that dam Springbok jersey.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.06.13 21:15:03 by Talent Reply
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  • @Shaz (Comment 42) : Irrelevant. Kicking isnt proof of the better player. Missed tackle count? Limp wristed tackle count?

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.06.13 21:16:26 by Talent Reply
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  • My wish is to see Butch James tackle Morne Steyn. His last hoorah in a Sharks jersey.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.06.13 21:20:35 by Talent Reply
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  • Rugby is not only about goal kicking, it’s about what a flyhalf does with the ball that they get. Lambie seems unsure and no as confident as last year. Steyn is running, passing and kicking into space. But you know what I’m done with this, clearly most of you will pick Lambie over any other player even if he’s in a wheelchair.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.06.13 21:21:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 48) : Please ,can you see the difference when Le Roux gets the ball at 1st receiver instead of Steyn? Lambie is a much, much more rounded flyhalf. You wont see Lambie fall off as many tackles as Steyn I promise you.

    Steyn will never be the answer to Quade Cooper ,Kurtley Beale ,Carter or Cruden. Are you happy playing a player we know has huge limitations?

    My gripe is with how quickly Meyer is to drop players like Lambie for his obviously more preferred players. It seems if you are a Bull you need 3 games where you are alright to be picked ahead of someone else. If you are anything else than a bull you will be dropped at the first chance he gets.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.06.13 23:19:52 by Talent Reply
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  • The changes that should have been made. Mvovo for Basson, Serfontein for Jean, Lambie for Morne, v/Zyl for Pienaar, Coenie for Jannie, de Jager for Juandre Kruger, Coetzee for Spies, Labascagne for Alberts and Kolisi for Louw……thats how far off Meyer is with the Bok side.

    We wont even get to his out of touch gameplan

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.06.13 23:28:38 by Saffex Reply

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