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South Africa (56) v Samoa (23) F/T


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 22 Jun 2013 at 16:00
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The final match of the Castle Lager Quadrangular Series sees hosts south Africa take on the mighty Samoans, at Loftus Versveld.

Both Jean de Villiers and Willem Alberts have been passed fit for the Boks, after late tests yesterday.

Kick-off in Pretoria is at 17h15.

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandré Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Piet van Zyl, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

Samoa: 15 James So’oialo, 14 Alapati Leiua, 13 Paul Williams (captain), 12 Johnny Leota, 11 Alesana Tuilagi, 10 Tusi Pisi, 9 Jeremy Su’a, 8 Taiasina Tuifu’a, 7 Jack Lam, 6 Ofisa Treviranus, 5 Daniel Leo, 4 Filo Paulo, 3 Census Johnston, 2 Ole Avei, 1 Sakaria Taulafo.
Replacements: 16 Ti’i Paulo, 17 Logovi’i Mulipola, 18 James Johnston, 19 Kane Thompson, 20 Junior Poluleuligaga, 21 Brando Va’aulu, 22 Seilala Mapusua, 23 Alafoti Fa’osiliva.



118 Comments

  • Go Bokke!!!!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.06.13 16:22:49 by JD Reply
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  • Jean playing is a bad idea, but let’s wait and see.
    Go Bokke!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.06.13 16:27:19 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Hello is there anybody out there? Am I alone????

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.06.13 16:27:55 by JD Reply
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  • Yes! You are alone :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.06.13 16:28:58 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Yes I’m alone now I can watch the rugby naked!!!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.06.13 16:58:43 by JD Reply
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  • Weirdo!!! :lol:

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.06.13 17:09:26 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Great play pienaar, time to show your class.

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.06.13 17:26:25 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Good start for le Roux?!

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.06.13 17:27:40 by JD Reply
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  • Hell Beast is huge in the scrum!!!!! Poor Samoan no3 going to be a long day for him!!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.06.13 17:30:49 by JD Reply
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  • So Morne Steyn remains a revolving door. Is it fair that other players have to cover for him???

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.06.13 17:31:51 by Bayshark Reply

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  • So Morne Steyn remains a revolving door. Is it fair that other players have to cover for him???

    Great cover tackle by pienaar.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.06.13 17:34:18 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Great cover tackle by pienaar to save a certain try.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.06.13 17:35:40 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Only one team wants to play rugby and it’s not us.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.06.13 17:36:14 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • So show pony Spies fucks up yet again. Saved by a brilliant tackle by LET ROUX not Habana as per commentators.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.06.13 17:37:10 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Sjoe, dodgy ref decision to award penalty to saffers.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.06.13 17:39:07 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Why kick it, we had a two man overlap?

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.06.13 17:42:18 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Great play by Louw, Purchase, Le roux to allow habana to Trot over for a try.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.06.13 17:42:19 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Slow start, but things are looking good on attack today.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.06.13 18:06:18 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Hell the Bokke is kak tonight, HM can’t get them to run the ball.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.06.13 18:10:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 19) : Are you watching the same game we are?

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.06.13 18:13:13 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Willem Alberts is huge today

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.06.13 18:17:08 by byron Reply

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  • Halftime
    South Africa 32 – Samoa 9

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.06.13 18:21:10 by SteelShark Reply
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  • No one doing updates anymore? :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.06.13 18:39:12 by SteelShark Reply
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  • South Africa 32 – 16 Samoa
    Second Half
    South Africa
    Penalty: Morne Steyn x 2
    Conversion: Morne Steyn x 3
    Try : Bjorn Basson, JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Francois
    Louw
    Samoa
    Penalty: James So’oialo x 3
    Conversion: James So’oialo
    Try : TAM Paulo

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.06.13 18:40:16 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Our rucks are loads better…Flo and Alberts making a big dif…you need loose forwards that are good at the rucks…that’s the aspect where possession is contested most…
    Arnold was good there and with ball in hand…he was a big loss…

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.06.13 18:43:19 by Hmmm Reply

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  • I’m surprised Jean still has a head on his shoulders after that hit.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.06.13 18:46:33 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • JdV got a massive close-line by Samoa 11…tjoh

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.06.13 18:47:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!!
    Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!!
    Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!! Bissie!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.06.13 18:49:13 by R Hayward Reply

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  • 37-16. Another missed kick by Morne. Coenie and Etzebeth getting into their faces after the Red. Anything you can dish out, we can do better.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.06.13 18:50:32 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • I love hard aggresive games like this…and the Bokke standing up and being counted physically…

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.06.13 18:51:16 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Almost a hatrick for Habs

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.06.13 18:51:56 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Who is this tmo

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.06.13 18:53:20 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Le Roux was the Best find for the Bokke for some time…the backline is loads better than I seen them for some time with Le Roux joining from 15…

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.06.13 18:54:35 by Hmmm Reply

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  • 50 Test Tries for Habana. Well done boy!!!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.06.13 18:54:44 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Dummy by Steyn. But another missed kick. 42-16

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.06.13 18:54:56 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!!
    Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!!
    Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!!
    Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!! Lambie!!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.06.13 18:56:09 by R Hayward Reply

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  • Lambie on.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.06.13 18:56:31 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Come on Pat , Sharks players have been awesome, keep the standard.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.06.13 18:56:59 by Bayshark Reply

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  • So Meyer making sure pay can’t shine…….ffs

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.06.13 18:58:22 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Van Zyl and Trevor on. Jannie off.

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.06.13 18:58:29 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Glad to see Trevour on…the Bokke scrum should be even better with Treva and Coenie…

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.06.13 18:58:46 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Yellow for Habs. Slapdown.

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.06.13 19:01:05 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Lambie already made more tackles and been more involved than Steyn……..go figure. Any without Spies we’ve been better all round………..go figure again…..take note HM..

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.06.13 19:02:58 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Can’t keep them out. 42-23.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.06.13 19:03:10 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Jan is on!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.06.13 19:03:56 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Who’s captain now? Bissie?

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.06.13 19:07:32 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @comment 41, kak comment, Jannie and beast have been enormous. First scrum without them we went backwards, thank goodness WA was at 8 to save the day.

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.06.13 19:08:27 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Van Zyl cleans so much faster than Pienaar.

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.06.13 19:08:30 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @R Hayward (Comment 46) : Looks like it. 49-23. Louw.

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.06.13 19:14:04 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Nyakane try!

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.06.13 19:15:52 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • 56-23. Final score

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.06.13 19:16:41 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Well done bokke………

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.06.13 19:16:55 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Comment 48, not this game, Pienaar had a bloody good all round game.

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.06.13 19:18:30 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Well done Bokke!

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.06.13 19:19:43 by SteelShark Reply
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  • Good performance all round. Flo, alberts, strauss immense!

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.06.13 19:20:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • MS just show he is the best fh in SA.

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.06.13 19:22:58 by Uli Reply
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  • Loosies bossed it today! Willie le roux adds so much to the team

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.06.13 19:25:09 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Bunch of thugs those Samoans.

    Hope their fifteen gets banned for ‘hand on the balls’. Sies! No place for that on the rugby field. :evil:

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.06.13 19:25:11 by McLovin Reply

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  • Agree Rob, the future looks great with some real talent. Away with Spies and Steyn, and Serfontein, Lambie makes for a mouth watering combo. That said I think jdv had
    a really good game and is a really calming influence.

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.06.13 19:25:41 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Pack was solid today, engelbrecht good at 13 again. Basson scored a try but the only one who didn’t get too involved

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.06.13 19:26:52 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Really need to make the point, he May not be everybody cup of tea but hats off to jdv. A thorough gentleman and it is brilliant to see such sportsmanship.

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.06.13 19:27:48 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Louw the difference in the loosies.

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.06.13 19:34:45 by Bloembull Reply

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  • Citing commish should be putting in over time with all the Samoan thuggery. :roll:

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.06.13 19:34:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • Now that was great loose forward play…
    If all fit the best loose trio combo in my view is:
    6 Flo, 7 Botha, 8 Alberts…

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.06.13 19:52:45 by Hmmm Reply

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  • does this mean i get a cup ? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.06.13 20:31:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Bayshark (Comment 59) : Tell me one thing , what did Steyn do wrong in the game? but missing two or three kicks?

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.06.13 21:56:18 by Uli Reply
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  • @uli (comment 66), personal preference. I detest the fork tongue diatribe from GM re looking after players who perform. That said after an abysmal 2012 he went for Lambie who didn’t let anyone down.

    Now 2013 he reinstates MS despite PL delivering in 2012. Now hand on heart Uli can you honestly say that you would mortgage your home in the knowledge that MS is defending your 10 channel. I know where my money would go and it’s not MS..
    And please don’t talk about provincial form, because that is not HM’s stated mo

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.06.13 22:20:23 by Bayshark Reply

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  • This Bok team can win the Rugby Championship. They’re starting to click as a team.

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.06.13 23:16:50 by JD Reply
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  • Come on Bayshark, give Morne Steyn some credit, he’s been better than Lambie for most of the season. Steyn back to his best and I like

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.06.13 00:12:13 by Ludz Reply

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  • Ludz be warned your on thin ice saying that some people here see that as bashing Lambie.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.06.13 00:20:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 56) : That is a sad statement, I bet the kiwis, ozzies and poms would hang themselves if MS was the best they had on offer at 10.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.06.13 07:38:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : Hear Hear. Lambie’s positional kicking is as good if not better than MS, his goal kicking is better and he tackles and runs angles, something MS still needs to include in his repertoire. Well maybe he can run angles when he remembers.

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.06.13 08:41:26 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Caratacus (Comment 72) : MS missed three penalties yesterday, if that happenned against the AB’s, would certain people have been as forgiving?

    But hopefully one day all South Africans will learn to expect more from our fh’s, the same way we are to expect our open side flanker to be the fetcher (thankfully Flouw has re-vived that revelation the same way Brussouw did in ’09)

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.06.13 08:48:26 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • If the Sharks have any spare cash lying around I suggest they make a big offer to Willie Le Roux who’s contract with Griquas expires in October.

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.06.13 08:59:35 by Stu Reply

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  • @Stu (Comment 74) : oh, I think they will

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.06.13 09:56:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 70) : I always say that with a lump in my throat because I always expect a backlash.

    Sadly the backlash won’t change much, Lambie is currently the 2nd best flyhalf in SA behind Steyn, isn’t it sad how we always call for SR form to be rewarded, yet when the selection isn’t in the favour of the guy in our franchise, we immediately start to look for weaknesses in the player ahead of him. Yes it Samoa, Scotland and Italy, but Steyn has done well in all 3. He deserves the no.10 jersey

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.06.13 10:20:49 by Ludz Reply

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  • Ludz yes that’s true. Lambie needs to play like he did last year before he can be Bok 10 again.

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.06.13 10:38:47 by JD Reply
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  • Rob must say I think le Roux could give Sharks backs some bite!!!

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.06.13 10:53:54 by JD Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 76) : Lambie is the better flyhalf .Morne Steyn’s inadequacies have been plastered over by the introduction of Willie Le Roux.

    Useless argument .Us Sharks supporters call a spade a spade and get called biased. The fact is Morne Steyn has been at the core of shit backline play since 2011.

    Lets wait until the RC ,and see if we are happy coming 3rd again. That is unless Aus are decimated by injuries by that time.

    Just a side note ,we should only play at Loftus while Meyer is the Bok coach ,its the only time his Bullies come out firing.

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.06.13 13:13:02 by Talent Reply
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  • There is a frightening difference between us and the Wallabies & Kiwis. The speed at which they play, the skill and finesse with which they play ,their management of the breakdown and their ability to manipulate defense around the fringes are all far superior to ours.

    If the Wallabies don’t get too many injuries ,fix their scrum and get Quade Cooper back into the mix ,they will be deadly come RC.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.06.13 13:18:28 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 79) : there we go again, having a go at the Bulls again.

    Lambie has the potential to be a better flyhalf than Morne, is he there yet, HELL NO!!! He has limitations, yes. Despite those though he remains the better flyhalf and certainly the best choice for the Boks at the moment.

    I’m quite astonished that people refuse to give credit where it’s due. The fact is Lambie is untouchable sadly on this site, he doesn’t deserve to start ahead of Morne Steyn. Steyn is doing well and deserves to wear the no.10 jersey

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.06.13 13:32:46 by Ludz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : let’s take Rob for example, I am quite sure that he wishes that Bismarck was the 1 wearing the no.2 jersey for the Boks. Does he criticise Strauss instead? No he doesn’t, he acknowledges how well he did yesterday. Last week, Strauss has an average showing and immediately everyone, except a few, goes on about how poor Strauss was and how Bismarck is so much better than him.

    I can respect that most of the bloggers here support the Sharks, but let’s avoid getting to the point where we start to sound ridiculous.

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.06.13 14:09:01 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 81) : Stop being so diplomatic. Morne is limited ,how can you be happy with him at flyhalf? There are many who “deserved” that Bok jersey perhaps more than him that have not been give the chance.

    Lets look outside South Africa for a second. Lets think where Steyn would lie on an international pecking order of flyhalves. How can we expect to be the best if we play players who lie on 5th, 6th maybe as low as 8th on the list? And I know you’ll say its relative to the playing style of a team ,but that just highlights the problems with our Rugby.

    I doubt we will ever beat the All Blacks for a sustained period of time as long as we prescribe to the same brand of Rugby .That brand of Rugby requires Morne Steyn type flyhalfs. That brand of Rugby should be buried and forgotten. The sooner the better.

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  • Comment 84, posted at 23.06.13 17:31:36 by SteelShark Reply
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  • BOKKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.06.13 17:33:08 by Tiny Reply

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  • Lambie has been a shining light in a mostlydismal Sharks team this season. I’ll have no problem with him at Bok 10. He’ll do an excellent job.
    However, Steyn has been equally good so far and in pecking order system, he’ll still get the nod at 10. That’s fine also.

    The Bulls’ back-line has been very sharp this season. Steyn must get some of the credit for that. Contrast to the Sharks’ back-line that has been very flat (figuratively) this year and last with Lambie at 10. You fellows of http://www.LambieWorld.co.za should move on from the ’10 CC final now.
    Who is the best ball carrying fly-half, is a little immaterial as long as they have Le Roux. The player with number 10 on his back, whatever his name, will have to play a territorial game and be a stand in fullback whenever Willie weaves his magic.

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.06.13 19:40:46 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Non-Sharks supporters, complaining about Sharks supporters, backing the Sharks players, on a Sharks supporter website :roll:

    If you wanna hear how wonderful MS is, go hang around a pub filled with drunk bulls supporters in Pretoria. ;-)

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.06.13 21:04:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 82) : When (if) your Eastern Cape team is ever able to put a player forward for Bok selection, we’ll quickly see you change your tune and back your player as if there’s no one better on this planet (the same way that you’ve been going on about how awesomely wonderful Alan Dell is :roll: ).

    Until such time, we’ll have to take your comments for where it comes from.

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.06.13 21:11:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) : Well put ,actually. I struggle to see a reason for Lambie being dropped when for the best part of 3 years Steyn has been below par. The selection at 10 came down to 1 game ,the game where they squared off when last the Bulls and Sharks played, and as far as I am concerned neither had the complete performance, however Lambie at least got stuck in.

    So then to me it’s a question of who Meyers sees fit to execute his archaic game plan best; whilst the question should be who has the most to offer as well of who is capable of carrying out the game plan?

    To put things in perspective at how backwards a step Morne Steyn is have a look at this tribute to Quade Cooper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPDiyzacmcQ

    Lambie is the right age and he is set to remain in the country.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.06.13 21:43:13 by Talent Reply
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  • Glad to see that we stay objective with no Shark biase at all. Please wake up people not every thing Sharks are bigger and better even if this is a Sharks website. I do think this site is better than that type of uninformed ignorant attitude!

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.06.13 21:44:34 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 90) : Maybe you should look up my first few posts on this site . An article called Poles Apart-comparing Lambie and Elton Jantjies.

    Its my opinion ,and I wont stray from it ,regardless of whether you call me biased or not.

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.06.13 21:52:51 by Talent Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 86) : Thank you, you said it all sir

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 88) : I’ll never defend a player that’s off form, if say a Wimpie van der Walt is selected for the Boks but doesn’t perform. I’ll never defend them if a player is better than them. I apply the same principle with my fellow Queenians at the Sharks. Yes I’ll go on about how good Allan, Sbura and Plank are and were at school. Do I call for Allan to start ahead of Chadwick or Beast at loosehead? Do I call for Sbura to start ahead of Lwazi or JPP? Do I call for Plank to be fast tracked into the senior team. I think not on all 3.

    Do I call them future stars? Of course I do, I know what they’re capable of better than most if not all on here. Do I think 1 day Allan will be good enough to start ahead of Chadwick or Sbura ahead of Mvovo or Plank ahead of Keegan or Kanko at 8? HELL YEAH!!!

    It’s different to you guys calling for Lambie to start ahead of Morne when clearly on current form Morne is the better flyhalf. It’s very different to what I do with Allan, Sbura and Plank on here. Always back those okes, but never gonna say they should start ahead of a more deserving player

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.06.13 22:01:26 by Ludz Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 90) : Refreshing to hear that again. I think we can all take a bit of bias, it’s sharksworld, but it gets a bit ridiculous sometimes.

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.06.13 22:16:43 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 92) : It’s different to you guys calling for Lambie to start ahead of Morne when clearly on current form Morne is the better flyhalf. -what drivel.

    Like Morne Steyn is in any part much better than Lambie .The guy plays like Id imagine captain hook would -peg legged ,eye patched and hook handed :lol: For Meyer to select Steyn all he needs to do is make his kicks at poll. His kicking out of hand is not even up to his own usual standards. Lambie on the other hand cant miss tackles, doesn’t have carte blanche to play how he sees fit and is criticized if he does. Lambie is set up to fail ,dropped at the first chance Meyer gets. Steyn gets 30 caps before we see him play a complete flyhalf showing, then plays one game where his team has the upper hand against another flyhalf and suddenly all the mans detractors have changed their minds, forgetting the abysmal outings theyve had to endure. There is definitely a double standard.

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.06.13 22:19:54 by Talent Reply
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  • Last year Lambie was better but Lambie did not show that same form. He did look good when he came on for the Bokke but he must, in the last couple weeks of super rugby, show the same form as last year before he can be Bok 10 again. But that’s only what I think.

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.06.13 22:26:10 by JD Reply
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  • Ludz I can take a bit of bias but not all this tons that’s currently on show.

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.06.13 22:34:51 by JD Reply
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  • Ill eat my words if we end ranked 1st this year. Then we can justify Steyn’s selection and Meyers game plan. Sadly I’m not sure we will even manage to beat the Ab’s once this year ,and we will struggle against the Wallabies(provided they don’t get ravaged by injuries).

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.06.13 22:51:56 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 94) : all you base your criticism of Morne on is the fact that he misses a few tackles, yes Lambie can defend the 10 channel. So what, does that make him a better game manager? does it make him a better distributor of the ball? Currently Morne ticks those boxes. It’s a damn shame when people critcise to further the case of their own preffered candidates

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.06.13 23:00:34 by Ludz Reply

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  • Its so unfortunate that our Rugby has reached a point where our selection criteria has become blind to the needs of general play .

    You wont hear Retalick and Rumano mentioned as a 5 lock or a 4 lock…no that’s our own dogma. They do it all; clean ,tackle ,ruck and maul until the cows come home. Their(NZ)flyhalves not only are competent goal kickers but they are good in general play too. Without Le Roux ,JJE and Habana our backline would have looked blunt ,even against the opposition we played.

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.06.13 23:02:56 by Talent Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 98) : Lambie can draw and pass . Steyn has butchered countless overlaps with his static game play and easy to read skip passes.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.06.13 23:04:51 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 100) : The bane of attacking rugby is deep flyahlf play and skip passes.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.06.13 23:07:40 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 101) : -that is when there is an overlap -all of which Steyn does.

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.06.13 23:08:30 by Talent Reply
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  • I’m not saying Steyn is perfect, he has weaknesses, but Lambie has limitations as well. Super Rugby form though, Steyn must be start. He’s a proven match winner for the Boks, Lambie is a match winner for the Sharks, big difference

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.06.13 23:17:33 by Ludz Reply

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  • Luds ,atleast Lambie tackles and attacks the gain line. Given exposure and equal opportunities ,he would far surpass anything Morne is, that is ,if he hasn’t already surpassed him.

    I understand Meyer has a game plan and he selects his flyhalf based on the needs of that game plan. That’s short sighted ,to say the least.

    The thing to me that stands out like a sore thumb is how much Le Roux improves our back line when he gets the ball at either first or second receiver. We inevitably end up scoring or breaking the line, can you not see the stark contrast?

    I admire you for being diplomatic and fair(in your mind) but I just can’t agree with you. Continue to play Steyn-like players and we will be eaten alive by the ever evolving players from Aus/NZ.

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.06.13 23:28:27 by Talent Reply
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  • Continue to follow the Bulls mindset and we wouldn’t be selecting Koble over others. Time to move on .Time to think outside the laarger.

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.06.13 23:32:05 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 105) :

    You’re the guy with the closed mind.

    The Bulls have had more success than the Sharks whilst playing with less talent. The game-plan must have its merits.

    Likewise the Boks have less talent on the field than the All Blacks almost every time they play. Even Aus, between union and league, have more available back-line talent than SA.

    The only way we can hope to be competitive, is to play a clever game-plan that leverages our strengths and exploits their weaknesses. That’s what the Bulls do. To call in archaic and outdated is just ignorant.

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.06.13 23:54:50 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 106) : Bulls supporter no doubt?

    Anyways, roll on the Rugby championship where we will truly be able to measure where exactly the Springboks are.

    We did after all play three of the lowest ranked tier 1 teams in world rugby, and that on our home turf.

  • Comment 107, posted at 24.06.13 08:36:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 103) : Not sure what makes your OPINION the Gospel and our opinions purely bias? :roll:

  • Comment 108, posted at 24.06.13 08:41:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Currently, based on form, Morne Steyn is the better player and his no 10 jersey is justified. But I do think that as soon as the Shark’s forwards front up and Lambie can get some decent ball consistantly, that he will regain his superior form.

  • Comment 109, posted at 24.06.13 09:01:10 by SteelShark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 108) : the difference is that we all know Morne Steyn is the form flyhalf in SA, yet we all blatantly turn a blind eye on his form to further our own calls for Lambie to start by pointing out Steyn’s limitation. Praise Lambie like I do with Allan, Sbura and Plank, but calling for them to start ahead of more deserving players is gibberish. Steyn deserves the no.10 jersey

  • Comment 110, posted at 24.06.13 09:14:47 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 110) : I’m not sure how you get to “we all know Steyn is the form fh”?

    If we were all that biased, why are we not calling for Marcell to be included in the Springbok team?

    MS is good at what he does, and that’s it, he hasn’t and will never acquire any new skills, he won’t ever be an exciting prospect.

    Without Willie at fh on attack, our backline will always be bland. So now MS is supposed to be the best we have for defensive play (seeing as Willie is used for the attacking backline moves)be it kicking for touch or defending his channel and kicking for goal. On all three counts Lambie has been more effective for the Boks. MS is only better than Lambie with the placement of his up-and-unders, that’s it.

  • Comment 111, posted at 24.06.13 09:28:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 106) : The problem with us is we don’t encourage skill on field. Players arrive at unions with a step and some flair and first thing we do is make them bulk up and get them in the mind set of going to ground and setting up the next phase. I’ve heard it bemoaned by some high ranking people ,who’ve had a fair amount to do with various unions in South Africa aswell as being based overseas with some prestigious honors behind their coaching cv.

    To call me close minded and then in the same breath say we dont have the same caliber back line player the aus and kiwis do is close minded. The diference is their players are encouraged to play a certain way ,that im sure our players are more than capable of. Its a sad ,sad sight seeing JDV reduced to a crashball merchant, next up to full his shoes ;Jan Serfontein. :|

  • Comment 112, posted at 24.06.13 09:58:25 by Talent Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 111) : If we take Arno Botha ,some of us raised eyebrows at his inclusion over Coetze and Kolisi but quickly changed our tune once we saw what he was capable of.

  • Comment 113, posted at 24.06.13 10:01:51 by Talent Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 111) : pointing out his limitations is all you have in your defence of Lambie. I won’t argue any further with you gentlemen in that case. It’s clear that you okes are ignorant to what Morne offers

  • Comment 114, posted at 24.06.13 10:06:57 by Ludz Reply

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  • Comment 115, posted at 24.06.13 10:07:19 by Talent Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 114) : Yeah we must be ignorant when we do not see things your way, because it is evident that your knowledge of all things rugby related is far superior to ours. We bow to your superior insight in awe and admiration. :roll:

  • Comment 116, posted at 24.06.13 10:33:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 116) : :lol: my apologies if it came across that way. Let’s just agree to disagree on the matter :)

  • Comment 117, posted at 24.06.13 11:16:02 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 117) : No problem ;-)

  • Comment 118, posted at 24.06.13 12:15:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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