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Gerber adds steel to Sharks’ Currie Cup front row


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 31 Jul 2013 at 09:16
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Moving swiftly to plug the gaps in their Currie Cup playing roster, the Sharks seem to have secured the services of former Bulls tight head prop Rayno Gerber for the duration of the season.

32-year-old Gerber, who is on the tall side for a tight-head at 1.9m, will play a similar role to that of Marco Wentzel, providing the experienced “hard edge” in what will otherwise be a young front row and hopefully imparting some of the many tricks of the trade to youngsters like Wiehahn Herbst and Maks van Dyk.

Originating from the Eastern Cape (where he matriculated at Framesby), Gerber became a Baby Bok in 2002 while playing for Free State’s under 21 side. He went on to make his senior debut for the Cheetahs in 2003, before leaving for his first overseas stint in 2004 (he played for Leeds in the UK). Returning in 2006, he joined the Bulls and went on to establish himself as a stalwart in Pretoria, picking up Super Rugby winners’ medals in 2007 (as a starter) and 2009 (off the bench). The wanderlust struck again shortly afterwards, with Gerber then spending two years in France, with Stade Francais.

In recent times, Gerber has completed a further stint with the Bulls as well as one with Rovigo in Italy.

Given the dearth of senior tighthead options in the Sharks camp – with Jannie du Plessis’ loss to the Bok cause a certainty ahead of the Currie Cup – Gerber’s name is a valuable addition to the squad and will be one of the few number 3s with genuine experience on display in this year’s Currie Cup.

Welcome to the Sharks, Rayno!



47 Comments

  • SA in general are light on TH’s. All decent TH’s get lured overseas it seems. Good addition I think.

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.07.13 09:21:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The question i have is why the hell did we sign Justin Downey? Surely we have enough loose forwards to cover for the duration of the currie cup

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.07.13 09:25:47 by jovner Reply

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  • Laat ek eeder net stil bly want die is net poef oor en oor en oor…

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.07.13 09:27:52 by Uli Reply
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  • Urgh! That’s my initial reaction.

    Never been a fan of the guy to be honest. Feel the same way about his joining the Sharks as I did/do about a certain over-the-hill centre.

    Rather have Wiehahn playing with Maks on the bench to pick up some valuable experience. I don’t think Rayno adds any real value to the squad.

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.07.13 09:28:31 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 4) : Exactly my point.
    What happened to the clean sweep and the encourage local talent?
    and not buying in old crocks?

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.07.13 09:35:17 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 5) : I can understand Wentzel I actually also liked/rated the guy. Especially if he’s earned his coaching chops a bit overseas to be able to help with the lineout.

    Rayno’s “acquisition” seems to be a waste.

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.07.13 09:46:29 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 6) : We have Jannie to teach Tricks? not? I dont know this whole “clear out” at the sharks seriously is leaving a bad taste in my mouth at the moment.

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.07.13 09:49:55 by Uli Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 4) : @Uli (Comment 5) : I agree to an extent about the older crowd BUT I can be bought with the promise that they are also here in a guidance capacity. That argument obviously wont work for too long if they fail in that role more than they do than on the playing front. I know little about Gerber and Wentzel on these fronts but checking through the websites it is clear that Wentzel is /was very highhly rated by Wasps as a lineout specialist.

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.07.13 09:51:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 7) : Jannie would be with the Springboks so he won’t be with the team to teach tricks.

    We have a forwards coach. We’ve never had a specialist prop coach and frankly I don’t think we need one.

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.07.13 09:52:25 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : Yes , but he also did allot of job hoping… something that is a bit worrying..

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.07.13 09:53:01 by Uli Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 9) : Yes but he is with them like the whole season anyways? is that not enough?

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.07.13 09:53:59 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 10) : I’m not too concerned with the job hopping.

    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : Pretty much with you on the guidance capacity but I don’t think our props need much guidance from someone outside the team. Wiehahn has been around the block with Jannie so he’s picked up tricks from the old Doctor. He was damn unlucky not to get a call-up to the Boks and I think the only reason why not was because he wasn’t our regular starting no 3 and HM has an obsession with Coenie p**s-kalp Oosthuizen which to me isn’t justified.

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.07.13 09:56:30 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • you guys are over-reacting.

    If you read the piece I did on the Currie Cup squad last week, you’ll remember that we have only 1 senior prop available for the competition; let’s not forget that he (Herbst) is probably next-in-line for a Bok call-up if something should happen to one of the tight-heads.

    So without cover (and that’s all this is… Currie Cup cover) at 3, how the hell do we compete in THIS competition?

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.07.13 09:57:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 11) : Think I’m with you on that one as said in Comment 12 ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.07.13 09:58:09 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 11) : @Butchie34 (Comment 12) :

    No, you okes are missing the point. Rayno isn’t going to coach anyone. He’s going to play prop during the Currie Cup because we don’t have enough depth in that position.

    Isn’t that more than just a little obvious?

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.07.13 09:59:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : I’m not angry or upset by the acquisition like Uli might be. I’m just a little under-awed.

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.07.13 09:59:30 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 16) : who do you think would have been a better guy to get in?

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.07.13 10:00:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jovner (Comment 2) : Might be that one of our current flanks will be used at lock or perhaps even get a surprise call-up?

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.07.13 10:03:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : To be honest, I don’t have any names as alternatives.

    Maybe just a little old prejudice from the man’s days in baby blue. My hope is just that he is cover and BMH and Dr Venter use him as TH number 3 rather than bumping him ahead of the guys already there.

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.07.13 10:04:07 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : Rob all I want to know is , why all the talk about developing the young guys etc etc, when the CC is clearly a very good place to do this, yet we are importing all the old crock from outside. I am sure if plum was doing this there would have been a huge outcry.

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.07.13 10:05:39 by Uli Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : I’ve always liked Downey and thought it was rather sad when he left to play for Griquas.

    I’m happy he’s coming back to the Sharks. I don’t know how long Botes has left and he might be the best kind of player to get to take over from THE man.

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.07.13 10:05:42 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 20) : If Plum was doing this he would have brought in Rayno and dumped Wiehahn and Maks completely.

    We need to see how this cover works out before criticising.

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.07.13 10:09:36 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 20) : I don’t think senior rugby is the place to develop a 20-year-old prop… not at all. I think the under 21 competition is the place to develop a 20-year-old prop.

    Why do we have this obsession with fast-tracking all the time? If a guy isn’t playing Super Rugby before his 21st birthday then somehow he hasn’t “made it”? Bullshit.

    It’s one thing to bring in an over-the-hill back like Marius Joubert instead of backing the 22-24 year olds in your system, but quite another to leave your u21 tight forwards where they belong while they are still learning.

    Props don’t peak at 20. They peak at 30.

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.07.13 10:13:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Amen

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.07.13 10:15:49 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 19) : look, when I heard about Gerber a few weeks back, my reaction was the same – “ag nee fok, not THAT oke”. But then you sit down and think about it a bit and ask yourself who else is available? The answer is, nobody.

    Venter has already said – repeatedly – that he’s not going to play the same 22 for 12 matches straight in this competition. That makes it vital to have at least 2, but probably 3 good options in each position. I would say the goal should be to have 2 reasonable seniors for each jersey, with the u21 guy as the back-up. I say again, at 3, we only have 1 contracted senior available for the Currie Cup.

    And can I please just repeat, this is for the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.07.13 10:17:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : That’s cool I understand. Just an initial shock about the guy.

    Positive that Venter, BMH and Everitt are going to make a positive impact. Like I said to Uli though, we can’t overreact now when we haven’t even seen how things are handled under the new guys. We’re painting the new guys with a definite shade of Plum. Need to look at their results and how they handle things and realize they are their own men.

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.07.13 10:20:56 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : I am sorry I agree on some of your points but not all.

    I am getting the feeling this coins does not have a tail on it.

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.07.13 10:21:21 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 27) : you think I’m being overly positive?

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.07.13 10:23:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) :
    Agreed 100% Rob.
    Particularly a TH. Its such a specialist position and there are very few of them around.
    To ask an U20 bloke to suddenly step up is a bit much.

    Don’t get me started on the Marius Joubert thing though. Now there is an opportunity to blood some youngsters.

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.07.13 10:37:42 by John Galt Reply

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  • You guys think we`ll lose Lambie to the Bokke as well this year?

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.07.13 10:40:33 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 20) :
    Not at tight head Uli. With a completely new and very young front row as it is, an old crock in that position is exactly whats needed.
    What if Wiehan goes down with an injury? Who would be there to back up his replacement now that you have to have a full front row on the bench?
    Time will tell but I think its an astute buy.
    The bloke is 32 and has played in conditions where scrumming is placed at a premium.

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.07.13 10:45:11 by John Galt Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : I just hope I am mostly wrong. My initial feelings on all the work at the tank at the moment is that history is just repeating it self.

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.07.13 10:53:18 by Uli Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 31) : My feeling is the only way for someone to prove he is worth anything is for him to get the opportunity, that said yes I don’t want them to break either. But the CC is a awesome breading ground for any player aspiring to play S15 and for the Boks. Therefore my feeling is rather use your local talent that “you” have invested in from the start and back them. My feeling is someone can not develop if they stuck in u21′s. Yes some players develop later than others, but if you have a young front row and let them play two/ three CC seasons together, you will reap the benefits sooner than later, now have then play u21′ for those three seasons then when they have to come up to seniors then what… we stuck in a rut yet again and have to develop them over gain. My feeling is use the CC for our younger players and let them develop, when the boks return from CP don’t use then let those players who have earned us a place in the semis and final make it their own, that has been the sharks own worst enemy the last two CC failures by using the Boks in the semi’s and final.

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.07.13 11:02:13 by Uli Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) : of course we will…. he’s a contracted squad member.

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.07.13 11:06:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Kyk ek sal verstaan as Gerber net vir die
    CC gebruik gaan word maar regtig ons
    jong manne moet n geleentheid kry om
    hulleself te bewys en te voel hulle maak
    n bydra tot die Sharks. As daar dan
    spelers gekoop moet word gaan kyk dan
    by die Kings. Ek kan dink aan n hele paar
    wat net vir die Sharks van baie waarde
    sal wees – dink maar aan Ronnie Cooke.
    Hulle nommer 1, 3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 15 sal
    n groot wins wees vir die Sharks. Ek weet hulle sal verseker nie almal beskik-
    baar wees nie maar probeer tog net.
    Ek is seker Vleis Engelbrecht kan vir ons
    n helse aanwins op 8 en op flank wees.
    Ferreira op slot gaan op die langduur
    kosbaar wees en n mens kan in sy spel
    sien hy wil speel en vir homself naam
    maak.
    NEE WAT MOET ASB. NOU NIE VAN DIE
    SHARK TENK N AFTREE-OORD MAAK NIE.

    GEE ON JONG MANNE DIE KANS VOOR
    HULLE NA ANDER UNIES GAAN OM ERKENING TE KRY – OF KOOP SPELERS WAT
    DIE MOEITEWERD IS.

    KAN IEMAND HIERDIE BOODSKAP VIR
    Mnr. Smit en Kie gee asb.

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.07.13 11:46:48 by Leon Reply

     
  • @Leon (Comment 35) : So jy reken Mnr. Smit en Kie het nie die opsies oorweeg nie?

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.07.13 12:13:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Agreed. look at Os,Heinke,Brok,BJ,CJ,etc. By the way what is Ollie le Roux doing with his life. Maybe he can lend a coaching hand? :lol: :twisted: How old is Smitty? He has only recently retired at 34!Don’t buy older backline players is what I say (Butch,Marius). CC is the ideal place to blood greenhorns. Bring in our Vodacom Cup guys and even some age group guys even if it it just to gain “big boys” experience.In my humble opinion, the CC doesn’t have the glamour of days gone by & that attitude or “gees” should be brought back :roll:

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.07.13 12:20:06 by markm Reply

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  • As julle weet van ander opsies wat oor-
    weeg is en wie dit is moet julle se dalk
    verstaan ons ander dan beter. Ek wil net
    weet waarom kan die WP jong manne
    soos Malherbe en die rooikop suksesvol
    gebruik maar die Sharks verloor n ou
    soos Redelinghuys na die Lions en nou
    is hy in hulle begin span. Dalk pas hy
    beter by hulle aan, indien dit die rede is
    moet GEES waarvan gepraat word gou
    geskep word sodat speler deel voel en
    nie elders erkening moet gaan soek nie.
    Verstaan mooi ek kraak nie enige persoon af nie maar ek dink die bestuur
    moet weet ons ondersteuners soek die
    Beste vir ons span.

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.07.13 13:37:27 by Leon Reply

     
  • Hi everyone. Long time reader first time poster.

    Personally I think this is a great move by Smit. In the absence of Jannie and Beast, we could really use the experience of someone like Gerber in the front row. Especially with the new scrums laws coming in. (they’re been used in the CC right?) How critical will it be for front rows to adapt quickly? Gerber is probably an ideal choice as he has been all over and undoubtedly knows how to adapt.

    It could be a blessing for the younger guys who haven’t had a shot yet as I would be much more inclined to blood a newbie with someone like Gerber in the side. With the strategy of rotation I suspect we’ll see that happen.

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.07.13 14:35:49 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 39) :

    Welcome!

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.07.13 14:41:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 39) : welcome! Very sensible, as I’ll say to anyone who agrees with me :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.07.13 15:14:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : That`s a setback. I thought for sure with his poor form they`ll allow him some currie cup action.

    Regarding Gerber I say welcome we need all the help we can get!

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.07.13 15:21:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 39) : A voice of reason is always a welcome thing. Good to have you on the site!

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.07.13 15:28:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Kevin Buys would have been a good option but I see he’s moving to Brive for the 2013/2014 season. He put in some monster hits last Friday

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.07.13 18:25:29 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Sorry to say Rob but I have to disagree about Gerber. Not sure if he’s any good. Should rather have signed a good loosehead.

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.07.13 22:48:50 by JD Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 1) : Disagree, we have some good young tightheads coming through.

    Coenie’s conversion to 3 is progressing, Frans Malherbe came of age at 3 for the Stormers this year, Adriaanse has been solid for the Cheetahs, Marcel v/d Merwe is a great prospect at 3, been injured, now with the Bulls, Frik Kirsten proved in the semi and all season that he is far better than Werner Kruger and should have started for the Bulls all season. Herbst looks good for the Sharks.

    Ryno Gerber is a poor signing, another washed up neverbeen

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.08.13 00:57:57 by Saffex Reply

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  • Couldn’t agree more & so the retirement home mentality continues

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.08.13 10:36:56 by benji Reply
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