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Griquas shock sloppy Sharks


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Other SA Teams, Sharks on 9 Aug 2013 at 21:06
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The Sharks have suffered a home defeat to start off their Currie Cup campaign in the worst possible fashion. A try after the hooter from Sharks old boy Carel Greeff set visitors Griquas up for a 32-30 win.

It was the men in peacock blue who made the brighter start, hitting the Sharks hard in all areas, but attacking the breakdown with particular gusto to unsettle Charl McLeod whenever he put hands on the ball. With the strong Griquas front row making far better headway at scrum time under the new engagement law, the Sharks started to lose ground early on and few were genuinely surprised when that pressure and territory turned into points; Marnus Schoeman driving over at the back of a lineout maul to score the opening try.

Further indiscipline from the home side saw Griquas’ right wing, Nico Scheepers, pile on the pain as he succeeded with two penalties to take his side out to a 13-0 lead.

The Sharks, to their credit, came back strongly and dominated possession and territory for the remainder of the half. A Charl McLeod knock from good attacking ball saw Sizo Maseko denied a try on debut, but the scrumhalf made good mere moments later in opting to tap a penalty; he fed inside to Jacques Botes who drove over for the Sharks’ first score. Botes, a late addition to the match 22 after Keegan Daniel pulled up injured, started the game at number 8 and took on the captaincy as well.

And what a game the stand-in skipper played, scoring his second shortly before half time, off the back of a rare dominant Sharks scrum.

The Sharks took a 20-16 lead into half time, courtesy of a pair of Butch James penalties, in addition to the conversions of both Botes tries. Scheepers, meanwhile, had clawed three back for Griquas as well.

As the Sharks battled to re-assert themselves after the break, it was again Griquas who found themselves more often on the right side of Jason Jafta’s oft-strange refereeing calls. Twice more he put his hand in the air and twice more Scheepers took advantage and before they knew it, the Sharks were down once more, trailing 20-22 with 20 minutes to play.

About the only really constructive passive of play from the Sharks all game long followed, with replacement flyhalf Fred Zeilinga winning ground via a long cross kick. Gouws Prinloos’ hasty clearance found the speeding Cobus Reinach, who fed Craig Burden on the charge. Odwa Ndungane took the offload and passed infield to a flying Lwazi Mvovo; the Bok discard scored the Sharks’ third and from the ruins of possible defeat, suddenly a bonus point win was on the cards.

Soft moments in the closing period, though, went on to cost the team as they opted not to keep the pressure on when deep in the Griquas half. Rather than opting to tap or drive a penalty close in, Botes instructed James to take the points on offer and with Griquas needing a converted try, with a last kick-off to come, the visitors were not to be denied.

Scorers: Sharks (30): Tries Jacques Botes (2), Lwazi Mvovo. Conversions Butch James (3). Penalties James (3).
Griquas (32): Tries Marnus Schoeman, Carel Greeff. Conversions Nico Scheepers (2). Penalties Scheepers (6).



93 Comments

  • I am sooooooo disappointed. I expected much more from the Sharks.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.08.13 21:08:04 by lostfish Reply
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  • I was gonna say Botes lost us our bonus point with that thick decision, but then he went one worse and lost us the match. SO BLOODY STUPID!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.08.13 21:08:14 by David12246 Reply

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  • :sad:

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.08.13 21:09:10 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • Well I guess we can only improve…

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.08.13 21:12:17 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • After the season we’ve had I’m amazed at how much losing still upsets me :twisted:

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.08.13 21:13:00 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • Ey, not a good way to start our campaign.

    It was an error ridden, painful to watch and at time perplexing game.

    Perhaps the weather played a hand in our strange tactics, but I sincerely hope we don’t revert to a forward dominant game plan. Like Plum said ,we didn’t make use of our exciting backs and tended to play off 9.

    Our tight 5 were horrid. How Marco Wentzel can start ahead of Piet is ludicrous. Stander was nowhere and only Jaque Botes and Jean Deysel provided any impetuous and bite.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.08.13 21:13:33 by Talent Reply
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  • What really boggles my mind is how we can throw our centers into a maul, fail at mauling ,then cross kick :???: :?: :!:

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.08.13 21:15:47 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 6) : I think Piet is injured, and even if he wasn’t he’d probably be with the Boks.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.08.13 21:17:15 by SeanyJMc Reply

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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 8) : Marias

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.08.13 21:20:49 by Talent Reply
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  • @SeanyJMc (Comment 5) : I did not feel even remotely inclined to watch the game and only check the score about four times on rugby365. Justified.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.08.13 21:22:24 by King Shark Reply
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  • Typical Sharks. Another disappointing season lies ahead. Why do I punish myself watching this cr#p.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.08.13 21:23:27 by hungrylion Reply

     
  • Deysel was poor.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.08.13 21:25:04 by Flippie Reply

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  • @hungrylion (Comment 11) : First game .Time to throw the lighties in and compete with our boks at the end of year!

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.08.13 21:25:51 by Talent Reply
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  • Not sure what Marco brought to the lineout. Mostly provided scrappy ball to 9.

    Attack as predictable as ever

    Not a great start for Smit and Venter

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.08.13 21:28:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Talent I wish we were back in 2007, when we had the talents of Ruan Pienaar, Francios Steyn, Brad Barrett, Waylon Murray playing running rugby. We instead get in Marco Wentzel when the Bulls recruit David Bullbring. These youngsters are not the same class as 2007

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.08.13 21:32:16 by hungrylion Reply

     
  • We played kak… Losing never good. Think a win would’ve been the right thing even by one point after everything the guys and management have been through. The character will now be tested from day one, if they can get up from this, kudo’s to Venter and co.

    But there is one thing I really need some clarity on.. If someone can shed some light…
    Line out; Is it allowed to disrupt a maul as soon as the catcher is on the ground, taking the maul out of play. Obviously, to achieve this, the defending team have to come in from the side.
    Does anybody have some clarity on this scenario or rule???

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.08.13 21:34:07 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • The Blue Bulls have recruited quality replacements for their loss of springboks and they have recruited heavily from the South Africa U20 side. Venter should have looked like signing a guy like Cheslin Kolbe from WP.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.08.13 21:37:10 by hungrylion Reply

     
  • The Sharks were kak!!!! Peet Marais was beter than both starting locks and what the hell Chadwick did the whole game no one knows!!!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.08.13 21:48:12 by JD Reply
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  • I am not surprised the Sharks lost at all. If this is what Venter brings to the equation selection wise then the road is going to be a long one.

    Selecting Ndunagne out of position at 15 is a joke, much like Ludik at 13. McLeod ahead of Reinach is another joke. The two locks are poor and playing Daniel at 8 instead of at 6 where he belongs is another mistake, especially considering that involved snubbing Ntembu at 8.

    That Sharks side is poor. They need to get SP Marais in at 15, one of the Sharks U21 centres in at 13, Reinach to start at 9. Daniel to 6 with Mtembu at 8. Peet Marais at 5 and Bresler at 4.

    The set-up are such fools for letting Jandre Marais slip the net.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.08.13 21:54:11 by Saffex Reply

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  • Plumtree’s fault – why he had to commentate on the game is beyond me. :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.08.13 22:01:35 by Morné Reply
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  • Holy shit, people! It’s going to take some time for the new coaching team to get into the groove. This is no train smash. Chill brothers and sisters.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.08.13 22:24:15 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I obviously didn’t watch the game. Would probably have been livid like the rest of you guys. :|

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.08.13 22:25:30 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : whats up with bresler anyway? Injured or what?

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.08.13 22:29:24 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 21) : must say… I sort of feel and agree. Doesnt bother me too much, because i dont think we will win the cc.

    But have to be said, im also not expecting us to lose against the griquas. Thats a big LOL

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.08.13 22:32:17 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 23) : Yeah I think he is…….but then again the Sharks have a history of snubbing their own locks and investing in sub standard outsiders like Franco v/d Merwe, Hewitt and Wentzel……its bloody madness

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.08.13 22:33:55 by Saffex Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 16) : Its called sacking. One man is allowed to sack as the player with ball in hand lands.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.08.13 23:41:10 by Talent Reply
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  • @Saffex (Comment 25) : Hewitts shown some promise . Wentzel I am skeptical about, however.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.08.13 23:43:04 by Talent Reply
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  • I am dissapointed like all of you but rather in the way we played than the result, we were lucky to be in the game,we were like a bunch of headles chicken. The kwasse will knock back many a team,any one that know pote would know he wouldn’t be doing this if he didn’t believe they stand a chance.

    I commend bmh for saying and tacking responsibility that they believe they can win this cc. If we are realistic we should know if there is a growth in the sharks game this season is a succes.

    I like to believe most sharks supporters is rather smart and realise that not winning the cc is not a train smash but indeed a bridge to far.

    But we like the mighty ducks so we always hope and dream.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.08.13 23:57:14 by BR Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 26) : that i understand. But sacking is taking the catcher too ground. I’m referring to driving the formed maul out of play?

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.08.13 00:04:10 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 29) : that was so in from the side as you can get!
    Our forwards really suffered (although Jafta did again display his ignorance towards the technicalities of the game) and gave the 9s shocking ball and little cover. McLeod was the play maker and was able to lift the pace to see us score and should have been kept on for longer. Cobus was of the pace and suffered the same poor ball quality. Youngsters were put in too early.
    The game plan did not suit us as well as our positional kicking reeks! We lost the game up front and displayed little grunt even in defence. Lots to work on this week.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.08.13 00:27:35 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 29) : I saw that too, the Kwasse were coming in parallel to the try line which is totally illegal. Ignored by the ref though.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.08.13 05:17:39 by MysticShark Reply
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  • Thought the ref was awful. That try we scored then he brought themback for the knockon was unbelievable. He was right there when it happened and he signalled play on backwards – he was no more than 3m from the action and watching it. The far side linesman that made the call was virtually unsighted. Watched the rerun 3 times.Plus his technical ability at scrums etc is not up to standard, every game and the front rows try and educate him.
    But the Sharks were just not at the game. They seemed slow to breakdown and the turnovers were ridiculous.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.08.13 06:49:38 by Caratacus Reply

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  • New coaching team but same old game plan. Bash the ball up. I hope this is not Plumtree the 2nd.
    This coaching team has changed nothing. The old game plan was kak, try something new please.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.08.13 07:17:06 by Sagroup Reply

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  • I knew I’d find the grave singers in full voice. :twisted:

    I’m more disappointed for the players and coaches, rather than being disappointed IN them.

    I’d rather have us lose the first game of the season, than losing the last game of the season. New structures, new coaches, everyone’s nervous, it WILL get better. ;-)

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.08.13 07:21:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 30) : I thought Cobus Reinach was quicker than Charl and was more accurate?

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.08.13 07:22:17 by Caratacus Reply

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  • It’s only the Currie Cup. No train smash. I’m more pissed at not getting My SB pick right.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.08.13 07:32:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 19) : Saff you knucklehead, Keegan didnt even play! But yeah I get what you are saying. This was very disappointing…….totally new set-up, same old bullshit!. Charl’s ears must have been burning in the first 20 minutes, I vloeked him so muh.

    ….and Griquas were supposed to be the weakest team in the CC? I can remember laughing at some Cheetahs guys after they came last in 2012. I hopw this is not going to come back and bite me in the arse!

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.08.13 07:44:22 by Stu Reply

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  • Without our frontline Boks, this Sharks team has a very patchwork feel to it. A fullback at centre, a wing at fullback. The forward pack in particular looks very weak. Hopefully we can get a bit of steel back into the rucks and mauls. :sad:

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.08.13 07:58:23 by The Great Couch Shark Reply
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  • Unfortunately I become a big prophet of doom every time the Sharks lose……I’m already checking out the Puma’s performance in the first division…..potential promotion / relegation opponents, you know!!!!

    :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.08.13 08:01:06 by Stu Reply

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  • @Caratacus (Comment 35) : Charl is very good at speeding up the tempo but our loosies lagged behind and going of their feet, thats why the ball was kicked our of his hands, locks could not get solid ball from some lineouts. The 9s played off bad ball and Charl did well under these circumstances. Cobus wasn’t bad though but our attack and distribution slowed. Botes played well of Charl’s pace but he was alone. We lost a lot of breakdowns

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.08.13 08:03:35 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • I thought jafta had the worst game ive ever seen him ref … there were three or four critical incidents where he was shown to be absolutely inept to ref at a senior level. Firstly… the ball kicked out of charls hands in the first minute of the game occured in front of him yet he chose to ignore it. Second was the professional foul when the kicker was sacked and grabbed the ball on the floor … open tryline and the ref calls advantage over after we went back 10 meters and my final gripe was the sacking of the lineouts via side entry…. you only have to go back the kings match where the same action was a penalty try and a yellow card. The scrums were an absolute reffing farce to and the new rules have exposed just how little refs know about the scrum.

    Now that i have had my say about the ref i feel that everyone is being incredibly harsh to the team … a complete new tight five… new scrum laws… players first game back after a whole season … new coaches and yet you expect a polished s15 level performance… lets get realistic guys that was never going to happen especially in wet conditions …

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.08.13 08:18:02 by byron Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) : I was most upset at Keegan not playing. He was my captain on UDT and in my starting 15 on FL.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.08.13 08:21:40 by lostfish Reply
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  • Ouens Ounes Ouens….
    Relax!!!! Change does not come easy! I too was disapointed, but I still believe!!!
    Look I cant comment too musch on the game, cause I started downning beers after we where 10 nill down…. so….
    WE where kak, the kwaste is still our boss for 3 years in a row now, but
    GO SAAAKS!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.08.13 08:24:17 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 41) : Agreed!

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.08.13 08:31:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • This was a new start and if they lost trying something new that would have been acceptable. But losing and not trying something new gets my back up. This loss I hope will change the view that the game plan is good and the coaches will start to look for a better plan.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.08.13 08:32:00 by Sagroup Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 30) : Agree. The one positive is that the guys know what to work on. Let’s not forget that Griquas is a well coached side that had focused on this game all year. No need to stress.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.08.13 08:36:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu3ht2kBJfA
    Why did we not keep this player??????????

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.08.13 08:53:23 by Sagroup Reply

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  • @Sagroup (Comment 47) : who is that player?

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.08.13 09:11:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) :
    Howard Mnisi

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.08.13 09:46:41 by Sagroup Reply

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  • @Caratacus (Comment 35) : yes exactly. Cobus made a clear difference and without him coming on when he did, we would never have been as close as we were.

    amazing how some people’s blinkers simply don’t come off.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.08.13 09:51:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think the positives to be taken out of it must be the driving mall which when it was reffed correctly was lethal… the scrumming display by.hurbst and the fact that we seem to have an organised back 3

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.08.13 10:00:22 by byron Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : :grin: Plum still has to learn the intricacies of commentating in SA – ie dont point out the glaring weakness’/ crap decisions of the refs.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.08.13 10:14:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 34) : You have no choice but to be a praise singer.

    Come on, if Plum had been coaching this team you would be shouting a different tune.

    BTW, Plums teams never lost to Griquas at Kings Park, in fact most of the victories were emphatic.

    Oh well its still early days.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.08.13 10:30:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Sagroup (Comment 33) : Wow guys! First game of a new system and everyone expects us to be firing with all cylinders.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.08.13 10:40:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 54) : Of course we do, this is a group of pklayers that have largely been together the whole season, most with Super Rugby experience and who have all had a good break from big time rugby for 3 odd weeks which also gave them good time under the new coaching set up. AND most importantly it was against Griquas at HOME…..ie must win easier game.

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.08.13 10:47:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • WELL DONE SHARKS, with all the money in the world and with 7 springboks, you guys lost against a griquas team with heart and passion!! Well done give yourselfs a well done clap

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.08.13 11:36:30 by Flippie Reply

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  • One more thing the sharks doesn’t play with any heart nor passion, I think they are playing only for the money and that’s all..

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.08.13 11:45:41 by Flippie Reply

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  • In my not so professional opinion, i would say we are really making a mistake with whitehead and Ludik at centre.. i would say push Whitehead out to 13 and bring in Esterhuizen at 12..he is on form and is more positive and i think is more than ready to hit it at this division. Ludik can move to the wing if anything. or come on as a sub. Our front row got dealt a severe lesson on how the scrum is going to work…i hope its a lesson learnt.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.08.13 12:54:22 by The Duke Reply

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  • And dont move Odwa…he was our most positive player .

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.08.13 12:55:15 by The Duke Reply

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  • Am I the only one who recognizes that the loss all came down to poor captaincy? I mean we weren’t brilliant nor was I expecting us to be, but if Botes had opted to go for the 4th try (and we probably would have gotten it) we would have kept the territory and we would have won (WITH A BONUS POINT!). It’s the same thing that happened to the Bulls in the semi. Anyway, I’m all of a sudden thinking that I miss Daniel’s captaincy.

    Don’t blaim the team boys, the team will get settled.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.08.13 12:56:29 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 60) : i agree with that …the call for the kick was too safe. But we will learn and grow from this. we need to learn to back ourselves. besides…we got a Bonus point it may be more than what others get this weekend.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.08.13 13:08:49 by The Duke Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 60) : I was also hoping that we would have gone for the try. I also had no problem with Dewaldt Potgieter trying for the try in the semi. Having said that though, 90% of captains and coaches would have done what Botes did (probably Keegan as well) so I think its harsh to blame Botes for anything. There was no guarantee that a try would have been scored.

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.08.13 13:57:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • deja vu

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.08.13 14:10:28 by Uli Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : No guarantee no, but we would have kept the territory at the very least.

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.08.13 14:11:39 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) :
    it may have prehaps been a better option as we had already shown good rolling maul technique. it would have also been a more positive approach to possesion and territory.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.08.13 14:14:20 by The Duke Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 64) :
    you beat me too it.

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.08.13 14:14:57 by The Duke Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 64) : @The Duke (Comment 65) : As I said, that would also have been my choice but I do understand why he went for the points. We had one good maul but our lineouts were not that sharp.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.08.13 14:44:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 67) : cooper was sharper than Burden. Burden throws in bullets…too much pace. he needs to work on that

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.08.13 14:50:03 by The Duke Reply

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  • @The Duke (Comment 59) : Odwa had a reasonable game, but he wasn’t that great either. His kicking for touch was poor and he got owned in this department by young Sharks discard Gouws Prinsloo. I really don’t like seeing players played out of position, we have an awesome fullback in Ludik, that is where he should be used.

    Not a great start by the Sharks much caunted new coaching combination, they are certainly not going to attract fans to Kings Park by dishing up displays like this. And don’t tell me that Griekwas are a more settled side than the Sharks, because that is just not true.

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.08.13 15:06:11 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 69) : Never suggestede Griquas were a more settled side, if anything we should be the more settled side..they have the ebb and flow of super rugby tapping into their resources. so on that we agree.

    I also agree that Ludik is a classy fullback, but in terms of more intelligent running into space Odwa was by far the better on the day, prehaps if Ludik was at 15 he would have done the same. I dont believe Ludik should play 13…we have guys who are geared for it. hence my call for Esterhuizen at 12 and whitehead at 13.

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.08.13 16:07:28 by The Duke Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 41) : Well put! I still think Jaftha is one of the better referees, but he had a poor match.

    Anyone got the penalty stats from last night?

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.08.13 16:14:34 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Am I the only one who thought Wentzel had a decent game? I’ve seen lots of criticism for him, but not 100% sure why?

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.08.13 16:17:41 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 72) : i think he was ” OK ” needs to make himself bigger in open play…but a good enough start.

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.08.13 16:22:57 by The Duke Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 69) : no, not true. Gouws had a poor game.

  • Comment 74, posted at 10.08.13 16:54:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @MerckZ (Comment 72) : he did very well in the lineouts

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.08.13 16:55:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • The Sharks should never lose to the Griquas at home.

    Disappointing start. Let’s hope for plenty of improvement soon.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.08.13 17:45:51 by Feather Reply

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  • Next week.. We play the lions.

    Honestly, i think its going to be a close game. But dont think we will be able to pull it through, missing too much experience.

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.08.13 23:03:50 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : any news on Bresler?

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.08.13 23:04:23 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • I think anyone who expected this unsettled very inexperienced Sharks team to win against a battle hardened star studded team like Griekwas was just expecting a bit much. The Sharks coaches had clearly decided that they wanted this young team to express themselves with free flowing running rugby, hence the selection of exciting young players in all key positions. I would have been sorely disappointed if the team management had opted for a conservative game plan with old experienced players purely in an effort to win this opening Currie cup fixture. I feel quite happy losing against Griekwas knowing that the coaches are building for the future rather than sticking with conservative game plans and player selections.

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.08.13 09:57:00 by jonnow Reply

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  • “inexperienced Sharks team” – :?: :?: :?:
    ” battle hardened star studded team like Griekwas” – :?: :?: :?:
    “express themselves with free flowing running rugby” – :?: :?: :?:
    “selection of exciting young players in all key positions” – :?: :?: :?:
    “happy losing against Griekwas” – :?: :?: :?: :?:

    I dont see any emoticons in your post so can only assume that you are serious, and yet I get the feeling that you are actually being far from serious. :twisted:

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.08.13 11:33:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 78) : yes, but it’s not good news

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.08.13 12:16:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 80) : Agreed. We know there is big trouble in little Durban when a Sharks fan states that there is merit in a loss to Griquas….. :roll:

    A loss to the Griquas, in any circumstance, in unacceptable. I am prepared to give benefit of the doubt given the recent coaching personnel change, but fully expect to see arses shift into gear pronto. We don’t accept mediocrity at the Sharks.

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.08.13 13:43:20 by Feather Reply

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  • We are playing Bulls style crap rugby and beware the Pumas in the promotion /relegation game

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.08.13 13:48:12 by TELECASTER Reply

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  • I just watched the under21 game and I think we have a very Good young team to pick from. Esterhuizen was fantastic, and with all respect to Whithead as he is a very good player I think this kid could be the next big thing is SA rugby. Regarding Whitehead he is the most injury proned player is the country. So a very expensive player if you take per Game Ratio. He allready had injury problems playing club rugby. A player like esterhuizen also kickers from both feet. A very good option to have outside Your flyhalf. And please who ever U are this stage of the competition can not be compared to super rugby or even Standard Currie Cup. This is exactly the time to play the youngsters. Regarding our game plan….I could’nt see what the Goal was as a unit. Seems to be a step back from plums forward dominant game plan. But it’s early days and to be fair lets see what happens….a few concerns. Not as much Ludik at centre but why him? He is most possibly the best 15 in SA. And then Oddi had a very Good game complicating things even more. Then Wentzel needs to talk more in front but I believe time will remedy this…our props where found a bit wanting when the pressure was on. And with the new scrum laws every one must hold pressure on the bind until the ball is out. Not until the ball is under your backrows feet. Scrums also need to bind lower with the new laws where the pressure isn’t on the engage but on the push. A bit disappointed overall with our preparation. We looked like a out of sorts team at set piece play.

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.08.13 16:15:54 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • It was very interesting to hear Plum’s commentary on the game. He certainly knows how to play a game – commenting on the Sharks needing to play with more width in the Kwas 22. However it was pretty much exactly what the Sharks always tried to do under him too – try and bash too much with the forwards when close to the line.

    I guess it is one thing to know what is wrong with a team – quite another to get a team to play the way you want them to.

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.08.13 16:37:56 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Here’s an idea, given the not so fabulous turn out at kings park on Friday night even with free tickets for ladies and kids, why can the sharks not play a game or two at woodburn in pmb? I know it’s probably too late to reschedule anything but games at woodburn would definitely sell out. The warm up game vs the leopards was a full house so a currie cup game would be a certainty. Even though Woodburn only has about 12000 capacity there would at least be a good atmosphere and it would be a nice way to thank some of the fans that drive a long way pretty often to see the sharks play. Durban may not fully embrace the currie cup but maritzburg definitely would. I’m just wondering does anyone have the reasons why they never play in pmb?

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.08.13 23:08:20 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • I think Jacques Botes – one of my favourite Sharks players because he clearly always has the Sharks firmly embedded in his heart – had a very good game – he put his body on the line. It’s just a pity he didn’t tell Butch to kick for touch when we 27 / 25 up. We probably would have scored a try and Butch would have slotted the penalty. This would have put us out of reach and taken up a huge amount, if not all of the injury time. 34 /27 would have been perfectly safe.

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.08.13 00:25:13 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 80) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.08.13 04:55:16 by jonnow Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : Damn… And that is?

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.08.13 07:51:04 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 86) : Brilliant idea imo!!!

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.08.13 07:51:44 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • WELL DONE SHARKS, with all the money in the world and with 7 springboks, you guys lost against a griquas team with heart and passion!! Well done give yourselfs a well done clap!!

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.08.13 08:13:44 by Flippie Reply

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  • Come on guys why the Doom and Gloom?
    We saw it coming a mile away ! Just ask Ismmaeel . . . :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.08.13 08:47:00 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Well I wouldn’t say it was a total shock. The Sharks made it a habit to lose to Griquas at least once during the CC in the past few seasons. Only shock is that it happened in DBN :cry:
    Thought we did well to get back from 0 – 13 down but then like always we go to sleep. Another CC campaign where we want to make things difficult for ourselves :x
    We have new coaches, systems etc. so I won’t pin my hopes on a CC title this year, although it would be an added bonus :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.08.13 09:08:33 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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