robdylan

Adding insult to insult


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 16 Sep 2013 at 10:30
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I must say, I got pretty hot and bothered yesterday in learning that Bismarck du Plessis will need to attend a SANZAR disciplinary hearing this week, after his travesty of a sending off against the All Black this weekend.

For any of you who’ve been under a rock for the last few days, French referee Romain Poite (the same oke who made such a balls up of the midyear test against Scotland in Nelspruit) saw fit to ignore the TMO protocol and yellow card du Plessis for what turned out to be a perfectly legal hit on All Black flyhalf Dan Carter. A further indiscretion in the second half (arguably worthy of a yellow card at worst) saw the combative hooker – who up until that point had been the best Bok on the field by quite some margin – dismissed from the contest altogether.

The IRB have since issued a statement admitting Poite’s error in the case of the first card – cold comfort to the Boks and Bismarck, since this “admission”, which is certainly nothing resembling an apology, is the best they’re going to get from the untouchables who run this game.

Heading back to SANZAR, though, CEO Greg Peter has confirmed that Bismarck’s hearing is simply a matter of protocol and that he hopes “sanity will prevail” and the whole thing will be called off.

While we’re hot under the collar for Bismarck, though, let’s not forget to add in a bit of indignant rage on behalf of Willem Alberts, who was himself forced to watch the last half-hour of the game. While this whole red card system is flawed in itself, it is particularly unfair for the unlucky player – typically a flanker – who is forced from the field as collateral damage when a front ranker is carded. Somehow it’s always the front rankers too….



31 Comments

  • Agree where did they find this plonker??????

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.09.13 10:33:26 by Dynamite Reply
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  • There is a petition to remove Poite as referee doing the rounds on facebook.

    Time to take a stand against these pricks.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.09.13 10:36:26 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • Who is the best ref outside of SA and NZ? Surely the best, most respected referee should take charge of a game featuring no 1 and 2 in the world?

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.09.13 10:37:29 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Hopefully it for a grovelling apology to Biz!

    But yeah I’ve just heard that red cards require by default a hearing which also serves as a chance for a player to officially clear his name of the offense.

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.09.13 10:37:54 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 3) : Greg Peters explained this to Jean Smyth on EWN… problem is that the only available (i.e. Australian panel) SH ref is Steve Walsh and he’s a Kiwi.

    Australia’s refs are kak, hence SA v NZ is always going to get a northerner. Not sure why it couldn’t have been someone better than Poite, though.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.09.13 10:41:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jis Rob, don’t get us started on that doos of a ref on one of the sharks favourite sons!!! Bissie moenie worry nie!!! Daai all blacks gaan jou weer moet trotseer!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.09.13 10:42:05 by R Hayward Reply

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  • Picked up a tweet by Dan Carter; “@DanCarter: Nothing wrong with the tackle. Fell awkwardly and popped my AC joint #gutted #smashedembro…” Whatever Poite was smoking…

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.09.13 10:49:57 by chikkoz Reply

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  • Poite got it so badly wrong it marred what could have been a great contest BUT I dont see why he is copping all the flack, there are linesmen that could help out and specificallty the TMO, George Ayob should shoulder a lot of the blame for the decision to card Bissie. He watched the incident a few times and could quite easily have said “oh by the way, there was nothing wrong with the tackle”. Instead he said “you go with your decission” knowing full well that the ref, and the crowd, and the Kiwi players all thought it was late and high.

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.09.13 11:04:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : Not saying it should be a SH ref, just the best one. Poite shouldn’t even be refereeing tests!

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.09.13 11:30:14 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) :

    Ayoub wasnt asked about the tackle – he was asked to look at the fisticups after.

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.09.13 11:41:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 10) : I know and thats why I wrote ““oh by the way, there was nothing wrong with the tackle”. Instead he said “you go with your decission” knowing full well that the ref, and the crowd, and the Kiwi players all thought it was late and high.

    He had already pronounced that there was nothing in the scuffle and the “you go with your decission” bit was obviously a reference to something else and the only other issue was the tackle that started it all.

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.09.13 11:45:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Maybe Bissie should be sent back to the Sharks for a spell to work on his discipline . . . :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.09.13 11:47:28 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Bissies red card has been removed. His 2nd yellow however stands.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.09.13 11:47:31 by The Hobbit Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : look, he wasn’t allowed to remark on an issue that the ref hadn’t asked him to look at. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have said something anyway, even if it was just a subtle “have another look at the tackle before going with your decision”….

    We’ve NEVER got a fair call out of Ayoub, though, so not sure why we should expect it to change now.

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.09.13 11:48:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Poite, not unlike most referees of the past, was overcome with fear of the NZ players and crowd.

    Cards should be handled by the tmo only.

    Said tmo should be located at an offsite location, away from any of the emotion of the game and not be allowed to see any of the game, except portions for which he has been called upon.

    This should enable him to make the most impartial decision.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.09.13 11:56:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : I honestly feel that Ayoub should shoulder some of the blame – he had it within his grasp to ensure that the right decision was made and I honestly feel that his “you go with your decission” was in refference to the tackle that Bissie had made so thus he actually did pronounce on something that was not asked of him.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.09.13 11:59:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Speaking of Ayoub. He was asked if Lambie was tackled in the air which he clearly was. That spineless Ayoub simply stated “you can award the try” and made no mention of the foul play which would have resulted in a penalty try. Possibly another card?

    Now I’m not too unhappy as Lambie gets credited with a test try and the game was already lost ages before that.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.09.13 12:02:11 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : I honestly think that the ref, the crowd and the players believed it was an illegal tackle thus the resultant scuffle, however on review it was clear that nothing wrong happened and this should have been communicated to the ref. Where were the linesman in all this, they are allowed to communicate with the ref.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.09.13 12:03:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • And now back to Bissies other trangression – leading with the forearm – its something that I have noticed him doing on a few occassions but this is the fitrst time he has been called out on it. It should have never happened and his coaches should have taken it up with him a long time ago.

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.09.13 12:07:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I’m really gutted by that red card. Regardless of whether the Boks would have won or lost, we have been robbed of what would have been a really great game to watch. Bissie and Alberts are both vital to the Bok gameplan and it would have been a different game with the two of them there.

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.09.13 12:07:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Can’t the refs now review their decisions on the big screen? They showed that tackle loads of times before the card.

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.09.13 12:22:12 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 21) : exactly. That’s ultimately the biggest farce of all. Why didn’t he just ask for a replay and review it himself? Muppet

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.09.13 12:31:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : Funniest of all is that they automatically show replays on the big screen in situations like that. The twat should’ve just looked up.

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.09.13 13:12:38 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • The best Northern Hemisphere referee is Nigel “Roll Away Tackler!” Owens. Poite has a history of being rubbish – notably in the Scotland clash where he allowed them free reign to do whatever they liked at the breakdown. The French referee in charge of the match against Samoa the following week was infinitely better. Pity we didn’t get him on Saturday…

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.09.13 13:14:02 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 23) : @robdylan (Comment 22) :but he steadfastly refused to do just that which begs a lot of questions not so! And the second yellow stands to help save face,where the SARU pansies to stand up against this travisty once again perpetrated on us,letrather put on our red noses and big floppy shoes.

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.09.13 13:21:53 by benji Reply
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  • This protecting of the All Blacks are a becoming a real sick joke. NZ moan about 2007 WC, so they get awarded 2011 to play on home soil. Come 2011 WC, Boks get taken out of the picture as we were the only team realistically able to top them. 2011 WC final and Richie McCaw and his merry cheating men are allowed to do as they please in the game against a fired up French team. 2013, their long standing record against the Boks at Eden Park is threatened by a rampant Bok side, and the IRB sends us Twoite to ref the game and the rest as we know is history.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.09.13 13:28:01 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I just have to say that if bismarcks second yellow was justly given then steven kitshoff in particular should definately have been sent of, at least, with a yellow against the Bulls this weekend. He did not only need with his elbow he drove into the defender and pushed him of with the elbow, also pretty much in the chest/neck/face region.

    Same for an Aussie in the game against the Argies.

    The ball carrier leads with the arm, when the tackler comes at him before he is able to put out a full streched arm for the hand-off. It happens several times in each game. The tackler usually just don’t act like a tantrum throwing child (like messam did).

    It’s a contact sport, for goodness sake, if there’s no malicious intent, the player could be warned at most and the game can move on. If he does it a second time, you might assume the specific player could be aiming for the through area and that could be seen as dangerous and that player could receive a yellow.

    Poite is soft and a loser and should not just be discarded as a referee, but should be the start of some movement in creating higher standards for rugby officials – but clearly this is not what will happen.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.09.13 16:17:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) :

    Have seen him do that many times and often caught myself wincing, wondering when it was going to get him in toruble.

    The second yellow is not debatable – it definitely was a yellow, whether it shouldve been red on its own is the debatable part.

    You cant run around jutting out your elbow everytime somebody tries to tackle you. Leading with the elbow (at a players head) is illegal.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.09.13 19:14:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 27) :

    I just have to say that if bismarcks second yellow was justly given then steven kitshoff in particular should definately have been sent of, at least, with a yellow against the Bulls this weekend. He did not only need with his elbow he drove into the defender and pushed him of with the elbow, also pretty much in the chest/neck/face region.

    Well there’s a big difference between chest/neck/face region. Pick one and then we can have a debate.

    The ball carrier leads with the arm, when the tackler comes at him before he is able to put out a full streched arm for the hand-off. It happens several times in each game. The tackler usually just don’t act like a tantrum throwing child (like messam did).

    Thats not what Bismarc did ot does. He regularly leads with the eblow.
    And let hit you in the throat and see how “soft” you are. Thats a ridiculous statement to make.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.09.13 19:17:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 29) : How quickly have we forgotten that John Smit received his longest playing ban (6 weeks) for an elbow to the throat that caused significant injury. Arguing whether it deserves a yellow or not when a player was banned for 6 weeks for the same offense seems silly.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.09.13 22:01:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 30) :

    Yeah exactly. Leading with the elbow has always been regarded as dangerous play.

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.09.13 16:33:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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