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Sharks forwards keeping it home grown


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 20 Sep 2013 at 10:38
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In an occurrence that is as amazing as it is impressive, the Sharks will field a completely “home grown” starting forward pack against the Cheetahs tomorrow, with every member of that eight a player to have come up through the Sharks Academy and age-group ranks. What’s more, Dale Chadwick is the only member of that unit not to have represented South Africa at either under 20 or senior level.

Here are some notable milestones:

- Marcell Coetzee earns his 20th cap for the Sharks in the Currie Cup
- Tera Mtembu earns his 10th cap for the Sharks in the Currie Cup

Here are some other facts and figures about the squad:

- Average age (starting forwards) : 23.5 years (that’s 2 years less than last week)
- Average age (starting backs) : 25.7 years
- Average age (entire 22) : 24.9 years
- Oldest player: Butch James (34)
- Youngest player: Fred Zeilinga (20)

- Average weight (starting forwards) : 109kg
- Average weight (starting backs) : 90.3kg
- Heaviest player: Rayno Gerber (120kg)
- Lightest player: Fred Zeilinga (82kg)

- Average height (starting forwards) : 1.88m
- Average height (starting backs) : 1.82m
- Tallest player: Pieter-Steph du Toit (2.00m)
- Shortest player: Fred Zeilinga/Cobus Reinach (1.75m)

- Total Currie Cup caps (starting team): 478
- Average Currie Cup caps (starting team): 31.9
- Total Currie Cup caps (entire 22): 646
- Average Currie Cup caps (entire 22): 29.4

Surname First Names Height Weight Age School CC Caps CC Points
Sharks Other Total Sharks
1 Chadwick Dale Michael 1.83 113 24 WBHS 30 0 30 10
2 Cooper Kyle Lorran 1.78 109 24 Glenwood 31 0 31 10
3 Herbst Wiehahn Jovan 1.80 113 25 Klerksdorp 46 0 46 5
4 Marais Peet Celliers 1.98 115 22 Welkom 12 0 12 0
5 Du Toit Pieter Stephanus 2.00 116 21 Swartland 1 0 1 0
6 Coetzee Marcell Cornelius 1.91 106 22 Port Natal 19 0 19 5
7 Mtembu Lubabalo Siphosethu 1.87 103 22 Dale 9 0 9 5
8 Daniel Keegan Rhys 1.88 97 28 Dale 97 0 97 155
9 McLeod Charl 1.80 88 30 Wonderboom 52 9 61 50
10 Zeilinga Frederik Johannes 1.75 82 20 Glenwood 6 0 6 37
11 Mvovo Lwazi Ncedo 1.85 94 27 Maria Louw 50 0 50 110
12 Williams Heimar 1.80 93 22 AHS 3 0 3 10
13 Whitehead Timothy John 1.88 90 25 Grey High 9 13 22 0
14 Ndungane Odwa Mzuzo 1.84 93 32 Hudson Park 71 0 71 147
15 Marais Sarel Petrus 1.84 92 24 Paarl Boys 5 15 20 10
16 Hadebe Monde Sakhile 1.77 102 22 WBHS 10 0 10 0
17 Gerber Rayno 1.90 120 32 Framesby 5 40 45 0
18 Hewitt Edwin Westley 1.96 117 25 AHS 6 12 18 0
19 Stander Brynard 1.90 108 23 WBHS 6 0 6 5
20 Reinach Jacobus Meyer 1.75 84 23 Grey Kollege 20 0 20 10
21 James Andrew David 1.84 98 34 MC 51 14 65 410
22 van Tonder Jaco 1.86 96 22 Outeniqua 4 0 4 0


48 Comments

  • That’s impressive considering it was not long ago when all I heard from non Sharks fans was “blah blah sharks mercenaries blah blah”.

    Also kinda proud to see WBHS leading with 3 players in the line up. ;-)

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.09.13 10:56:04 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 1) : hey! Well done

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.09.13 11:00:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 1) : I think the mercenary moniker should have shifted to the Bulls a year or two ago already after their shopping spree on every promising youngster.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.09.13 11:05:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Well done WBHS nice to see.
    A very different code and probably not for this site but WBHS 1st cricket side managed a 2 wicket win over the touring Waterkloof team yesterday. Waterkloof is ranked No.1 in the country. With the great improvements in rugby and superb performances in soccer they are not just a swimming school any more.

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.09.13 11:19:47 by markp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : heh. Good memories of playing Rugby at Westville. Was a scrumhalf/wing for the 5th team many many years ago. :smile:

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.09.13 11:27:49 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 5) : ah – a man after me own heart. I too was a proud fifth-teamer at Pretoria Boys.

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.09.13 11:34:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Awesome! We had the most fun in the 5th team. Was made up of players who could easily have played for higher teams but chose the 5th team because that’s where their mates were, and guys who worked their butts off but weren’t big or strong enough to make the top 4.

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.09.13 11:54:44 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Sharks forwards keeping it home grown

    Ahahahahahaha. So now home grown starts the moment you leave high school. What a crock o shit.

    You should be in politics Rob… or working for SARU.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.09.13 12:01:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 8) : why shouldn’t it?

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.09.13 12:11:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    Grab your dictionary and get a definition for “home grown”.

    You’ve maybe got five home grown players in your starting 15.

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.09.13 12:34:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 10) : you’re bringing a 1980s argument to a 2013 article.

    Go back and try again.

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.09.13 12:36:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    Home grown is defined as originating in your area. The same as born-and-bred.

    Anyway, why use 18 as the cut-off? Why not 21, or 25? Why not just claim any player as “home grown” when they play their final game of rugby?

    You’re never gonna convince me that a player that went to Paarl Boys is a “home grown” Natalian.

    It makes for great headlines and a feel-good factor, but it masks the dismal feeder rate of Natalian schools into top flight rugby.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.09.13 12:36:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    You’re completely and utterly ridiculous.

    Next you’ll tell me you’re a home grown Natalian.

    Why not, instead of trying to use words to mask the failure of Natal schools to produce rugby players, you rather expend your time trying to figure out why some of the best rugby schools in the country simply are no longer producing professional rugby players?

    Perhaps include a paragraph about how Natal is pillaging the Eastern Cape?

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.09.13 12:38:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    Time doesnt change the definition of a word Rob. Neither does time seem to change Natal Rugby recruiting practices.

    Grow your own – then you can call them home grown.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.09.13 12:39:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 14) : did you enjoy that?

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.09.13 12:46:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    I did as it goes… ;-)

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.09.13 12:47:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 16) : Can I Fedex you a tissue? :)

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.09.13 12:48:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) :

    Not necessary – all my tears are finished after i cried you a river.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.09.13 12:49:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Rob, I see it as my duty in life to stand up for the oppressed and the trampled upon, and to combat lies, half-truths and injustices, wherever they may be…

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.09.13 12:50:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/452/275/b81.jpg

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.09.13 13:04:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 20) :

    lol.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.09.13 13:05:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) : Vin, it’s probably the same for all professional rugby teams, take WP for example, only 10 of 23 are born in the western cape.

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.09.13 13:14:55 by Bump Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) : Are youngsters who weren’t born in Durban, and voluntarily goto the Sharks Academy to train and skill up, play for the Sharks u19, move up to the u20s always going to be branded as mercs if they go on to play for the Sharks? What about someone born in Cape Town but his family moved to Durban before he went to school and vice versa? What if they moved during school? Is it their matric year that defines them as that is what will show on their wiki page?

    The variables can go on and on. Simply put, if you put a Sharks jersey on I’ll support and cheer you on! If you came up through the ranks you are home-grown in my eyes and I’ll support you just the same.

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.09.13 13:40:33 by gregkaos Reply
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  • As far as professional sports go this is a tremendous achievement. Home grown may not be the right word but well done Sharks Academy.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.09.13 13:54:31 by soutie Reply

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  • @soutie (Comment 24) : Agreed. Sharks Academy is churning out some awesome talent and its great to see it filtering into the Sharks.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.09.13 14:25:47 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Dale Chadwick is the only member of that unit not to have represented South Africa at either under 20 or senior level.

    Nothing more needs to be said.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.09.13 14:49:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) : played SA Schools, though and was part of the SA Under 20 reckoning all the way up until the final squad selection, when Mellett was surprisingly picked ahead of him

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.09.13 14:52:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) :

    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/05/20/sharks-well-represented-in-sa-under-20-side/

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.09.13 14:54:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @soutie (Comment 24) : no they won’t be branded as mercenaries , but they can’t be called homegrown.

    As a matter of interest, I can’t see anywhere where Vinchainsaw says they are mercenaries, those are your words. :smile:

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.09.13 14:54:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : surprising to who? :grin:

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.09.13 14:55:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) : well, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this, but maybe I can educate the others reading.

    Chadwick was in the mix right up until the final selection, only to be left out at the last minute.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.09.13 14:57:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Ah okay, surprising because Sharksworld said so? :mrgreen: :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.09.13 15:00:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 24) :

    Those are your words, not mine.

    When an aspiring player gets an offer from a union academy where there’s the possibility he can become a professional player, he’s gonna take it.
    When i was at Stellenbosch, we had a Jongspan (u/20) for a while. This side cleaned up all-comers and most of the team were offered contracts to go play for Northern Free State (Griffons I think?) in the CC the next year. Do you think one of those players refused because they thought they would get an offer from WP? Not a chance, all of them went. A couple even became Springboks a few years later, one of them even captained the Boks.

    Anyway, I have no objection to youngsters going to other unions whatsoever. I’m just saying they’re very definitely not home grown talent and to claim them as such is disengenuous.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.09.13 15:44:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    Did it really take them that long to realise he didnt know what a scrumming machine looked like?

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.09.13 15:50:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 12) : That Paarl place you mentioned, is that the same place that is in the Boland (with Stellenbosch) that Capetonians had to incorporate into their setup to win anything?

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.09.13 16:04:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 36) :

    Lol. Paarl –> Cape Town = <50km.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.09.13 16:11:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 33) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) : Yup sorry. My words and I’ll take the merc comment back. I’ve just been in too many discussions where others just hurl the mercenary moniker at the Sharks at every single opportunity they get, so a bit of a knee jerk reaction there.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.09.13 16:13:52 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 36) : WP imaginary line BOLAND = 0km, but 2 different rugby governing bodies.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.09.13 16:35:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 33) : Im wracking my brains here, which Purple People Eater captained the Boks?

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.09.13 16:37:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Shame some people are still living in the days of amateur rugby. Back when Paarl and Stellenbosh were Boland Rugby. Long gone are the days when you went to school, studied/worked and played rugby in the same town/dorp. Mercenary and home grown are from the past. You can go to primary school in Jhb, high school at Michaelhouse, Stellenbosch offers you a bursary and after varsity you sign for the Cheetahs. What are you? Where are you “grown”? It’s the age of professional rugby. If you are signed by the Sharks academy and work your way up through the ranks to the Sharks team you are “home grown” if you want to risk using that term. It you were from Affies the Bulls can hardly claim to have nurtured your talent. Robdylan’s comment has some merit. VinChainSaw’s argument is …well a chain saw massacre.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.09.13 16:44:28 by markp Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 40) :

    Neil de Kock.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.09.13 16:46:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : Did he captain the Boks? Jeez my memory is letting me down.

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.09.13 16:57:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @markp (Comment 40) : So when were Paarl and Stellenbosch Boland rugby?

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.09.13 17:01:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) :

    Stellenbosch has never, ever been part of Boland Rugby.

    Do you really think Danie Craven would have Maties feed into boland instead of WP?

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.09.13 17:23:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) :

    You’re making me doubt myself now, but im pretty sure he captained a Boks game under Harry Viljoen.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.09.13 17:25:46 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 45) : He did captain the Stormer’s, really can’t remember him captaining the Boks.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.09.13 17:29:25 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 47) :

    Yeah Im unsure now. Although, with Viljoen as coach, I could see it happening.

    Anyway, the point is that 4 players from that Griffons side, incredibly, eventually went on to gain Bok colours. De Kock, Passens, van Biljon and Hall.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.09.13 17:45:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 44) : Thats what I thought too hence the question. Amazing how for all other sports they are lumped with Boland.

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.09.13 10:07:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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