Richard Ferguson

Eight team Currie Cup dream still alive

Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Currie Cup, EP Kings, Original Content, Other SA Teams on 9 Oct 2013 at 10:09
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The Kings and Pumas’ dream of both playing in the Currie Cup next year, guaranteed without the need of a promotion / relegation match, is still a possibility.

This according to a report on, which indicates that the bigger unions are in favour of this motion and would like to arrange a revote.

What exactly the bigger unions will be getting out of an extended eight team Currie Cup is unknown to me, but it seems that they are pushing for both the Pumas and the Kings to be included. These two teams would have been included purely on results over the last few years, with the Kings pushing for some sort of consistency to be able to build a decent squad ahead of their next inclusion into Super Rugby. These teams have both fortified this stance by finishing first and second on the Currie Cup B-Division log, as well as facing each other in the final after winning their respective semi-finals.

The original vote came down to a 19/10 split in favour of the expansion, a revote would require only 3 unions changing their votes to be in favour of change which would see a 75% majority split at 22/7.

No further details regarding this vote is mentioned at this stage, and we can safely say that news like this is only there to stir further emotion. But the fact remains, if the bigger unions pressure SARU into allowing a revote, we could still see some change before the Currie Cup kicks off once again in 2014.


  • hopefully this happens

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.10.13 10:42:29 by Poisy Reply
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  • I actually like this strength vs strength competition. I would keep it exactly as is.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.10.13 10:52:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : and that is exactly why we need to get the kings competitive so they can be one of the better teams come super rugby time. expanding the competition is in line with the bigger picture

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.10.13 12:06:52 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 2) : I agree, I actually wished they kept the 14 team compo that we had but with today’s S15 it just wont happen, my feeling is when the 14 team CC actually started working out they stopped it.

    That said with the schedule so full right now I don’t see why anyone would want more CC after having to watch the same teams compete after the S15.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.10.13 12:09:24 by Uli Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 3) : The bigger picture is busy ruining the rugby players. the attendance to games and the amount of TV viewers.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.10.13 12:10:55 by Uli Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 3) : There is a way for the EP Kings to get into the premier league – promotion-relegation.

    Unless they change the home and away feature that we currently have, there is just no way we can expand the Currie Cup plus playing in the S15 as well.

    If SANZAR changes the S15 back to the S12 premier format, with a lower league to accommodate additional teams, then we can talk about expanding the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.10.13 12:32:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 3) :

    i have only this question : DO you think the Kings have better resources that the Griquas have ? And do you think a team like Griquas on its own would be competitive in super rugby lets say next year ?

    Were ever the Kings play , They will need to keep the Sharks , Stormers and Bulls from buying up the players that are contracted to the Union .

    A team needs money and lots of it …

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.10.13 12:51:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • What do the smaller unions actually add? Apart from guaranteed log points for the big guns.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.10.13 13:33:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 8) : the prevent the Bulls from coming 2nd to last. :)

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.10.13 13:36:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : i can understand the “2 much rugby” argument from the players point of view but that said just because they add the pumas and kings doesnt automatically mean more games theres no reason why they cant tweek the tornament around because unlike super rugby we can do whatever we want with the currie cup. as for your question about being competitive just look back to this years super rugby and the kings. yes for the first few years they might get they better players poached but they showed they dont actually need big name players just alot of heart and pride for the team you play for, griquaus are not the kings they players get poached because they know currie cup is they time to shine and possibly play super rugby next year for cheetahs or other unions,a team actually in super rugby will be able to keep alot of they players and get some frindge players from other unions seeking game time.the kings players only left after they lost the promo/relegation battle if they had won i am sure they would have been able to keep a good percentage of they players maybe even more if they still had prem currie cup to look forward too

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.10.13 13:56:34 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 5) : refer to comment 10 and will add the attendance figures for the super rugby kings games

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.10.13 14:10:13 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) : I still prefer strength vs strength competitions. I would rather watch fewer quality games a year than having to sit through lots of mismatches.

    Even if the Pumas can unseat Griquas for next year, it is unlikely that they will feature in the semis. They may surprise a team (such as Griquas did with the Sharks this year), but just cannot compete with the Big 5 when it comes to the end of the competition.

    Point is SA can really only afford so many professional players. To change competitions just because we feel sorry for the Kings just makes no sense to me.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.10.13 14:11:40 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • They add to the bigger unions stockpile and backup for Super rugby etc……Duanne Vermeulen, Jacques Botes, Willie Le Roux, SP Marais, Tiaan Liebenberg and many many more.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.10.13 14:18:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) :

    i have to agree with you . Like is said in my previous post , It will take a lot of money to make the Kings (or the Pumas competitive ). Believe me , i am a Lions supporter . As soon as a player makes a step up , either the Bulls Sharks or Stormers will offer the player a good contract that cant be matched by his home union .

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.10.13 14:35:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) :

    i have a challenge for you . You support the Sharks and want the Kings to be competitive ?

    Lets build a Kings team that will be competitive . Name 5 Sharks players (One needs to be a current Springbok and all players have to be starting Super rugby players) that you are willing to donate to the Kings . A competitive Super rugby team needs at the very least 3 Springboks .

    The Bulls and the Stormers need to do the same .

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.10.13 14:59:08 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 15) : donate 5 super rugby starters? Are you on crack?

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.10.13 15:20:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 15) : They can have Marius Joubert. Legendary Springbok player. Sure he started a SR game or two in 2012.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.10.13 15:42:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) :

    well they need to be competitive :P

    we either need more talent or need to spread the talent around a bit …

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.10.13 16:34:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 15) : name 5 springboks that started for the kings in they opening match in super rugby? oh wait they didnt have 5 or 4 wait maybe 3? you dont need boks to be competitive they proved that with the little they had.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.10.13 17:27:41 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 19) : Where did they end on the log again? :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.10.13 17:32:31 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 19) : jip . what they HAD ….

    so if they win 3 games and were competitive , the Lions were also won 3 games in 2012 (including one against the Sharks) . so were the Lions competitive ? No they werent !

    Are the Lions currently competitive in the CC with 3/9 wins . No again ..

    and like McLovin also pointed out … the Kings finished stone last …

    The fact is they wont be competitive without better players

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.10.13 21:08:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 20) : irrespective where they ended up they were competitive in most the matches they played

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.10.13 08:42:50 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 21) : my point is they wont get better players unless sa rugby sees the bigger picture which is they need to give the kings all the tools to be a success and proper backing not this half measure thing where they arent given enough time to prepair. sa rugby must put themselve’s in a position where if the kings fail then they can say we did everything we could to help and gave them every chance to make it happen so it is not they fault if they fail.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.10.13 08:47:14 by Poisy Reply
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