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Sharks named for semi-final


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 16 Oct 2013 at 12:25
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Keegan Daniel will lead an experienced Sharks outfit in Saturday’s Currie Cup semi-final against the Cheetahs, with the return of 50-test veteran Frans Steyn in midfield the biggest talking point.

While the Sharks have kept the forward pack mostly unchanged, bar the injury-enforced selection of Wiehahn Herbst at tighthead (and the reversal of last week’s emergency switching of Daniel and Jacques Botes), it’s amongst the backs that the biggest changes have come. Pat Lambie and Louis Ludik start either side of Steyn in a completely new attacking axis this week – one that oozes experience and proven class, if it lacks the youthful exuberance of the combination it replaces.

Tim Whitehead is the most unfortunate of last week’s starters; his place in the 22 is forfeit due to Ludik and Steyn’s promotions. Heimar Williams moves down to the bench, alongside Fred Zeilinga while it appears that any further thought of scrumhalf rotation has been shelved, with Charl McLeod continuing in a starting role. SP Marais and Ludik are thus the only players in the backline who aren’t capped Springboks.

The only other new face in the squad is that of Danie Mienie, who comes onto the bench as prop cover, given Jannie du Plessis’s withdrawal.

Sharks:
15 SP Marais, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Louis Ludik, 12 Francois Steyn, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Keegan Daniel (capt), 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Peet Marais, 3 Wiehahn Herbst, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Kyle Copoer, 17 Danie Mienie, 18 Stephan Lewies, 19 Jacques Botes, 20 Cobus Reinach, 21 Fred Zeilinga, 22 Heimar Williams



86 Comments

  • madness to leave whitehead out

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.10.13 12:28:42 by TheLegend Reply
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  • @TheLegend (Comment 1) : I agree. I have always seen Whitehead more as a 12 than a 13 anyway, so he would make a great substitute.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.10.13 12:33:52 by jonnow Reply

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  • Bar Jannie and Willem, this is probably our Super Rugby Team.

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.10.13 12:35:01 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 2) : would have started with whitehead and steyn but that is me. whitehead could have put steyn nicely into the gaps

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.10.13 12:36:12 by TheLegend Reply
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  • Kom ons hoop Lambie kan mooi korrel na die pale toe die naweek

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.10.13 12:42:35 by TheLegend Reply
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  • Stephan Lewies cracks the nod ahead of Hewitt. Pity we can’t accommodate both, same goes for Whitehead too. We need NFL size benches :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.10.13 12:42:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 3) : Kanko and JPP

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.10.13 12:52:02 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • good team. doubt it will be the team that runs out on the field though

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.10.13 13:01:32 by Poisy Reply
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  • Little bit worried about the centre pairing – not as individuals but as a combination. I don’t think they have ever played next to each other

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.10.13 13:04:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Hmmm Williams above Whitehead on the bench?
    Our most successfull kicker not even in the match 22?

    On the up side, I seem to remember Ludik always playing a blinder against wp, hopefully he can replicate it this weekend against their bull centre . . .

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.10.13 13:08:49 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • That’s a lot of Fullbacks.

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.10.13 13:15:23 by MerckZ Reply

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  • I dont like ludik at centre he dies with ball in hand and steyn does not pass i dont think we are going to make it inless the forwards win us the game

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.10.13 13:17:47 by johnny Reply

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  • Thats agood side. Mienie needs to pull his weight when on. This side has the ability to win. Will see if they have the composure though

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.10.13 13:23:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Whitehead has struggled to make an impression since his return, but that may be because he is playing out of position at 13. Might have made more sense to play Whitehead at 12 and Williams at 13 in the past few weeks.

    I don’t get the selection of Ludik at 13 either….cant say I have rated him there.

    Good to see some investment in Peet Marais at 4, he has been good and I’m glad to see Lewies retained on the bench ahead of Hewitt

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.10.13 13:37:48 by Saffex Reply

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  • Tim out, that’s just not it, especially looking at the combination in the centre! I hope they ll do better.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.10.13 13:41:56 by mabutho Reply

     
  • Don’t get Ludik at 13 or no Whitehead. Must be an injury.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.10.13 13:42:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Good Team on paper. Individually all three the players are excellent and deeply experienced. I am however gobsmacked with the decision to have a new 10,12,13 for such a vital game. Lambie did not start last week because he did not know all the backline signs?? Rotation Policy????? Louis was out of favour and did not even play from the bench in some games, and know ?

    Our problems have been in the forwards; scrums, lineouts and loose ball.PSDT is a very good player but still settling into the 5 position. Peet and Lewies are young, talented but inexperienced. Leaving Hewitt out is madness. He played S15 and CC with the current pack and PSDT. You will need physicality this week and next week against WP! We will underestimate the FS pack at our peril !

    Can we propose that the sharks appoint a media/communication expert. The handling of the Plum/Brendan/Jake and now Rudolph situations was poor. Some of BMH comments and statements ?
    We should nominate ROB ?

    We must however believe in our team! Go Sharks !!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.10.13 13:43:29 by observer Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 14) : I have been following your comments with interest over the last month. It is patently clear to me you have no clue what you are talking about!

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.10.13 13:46:14 by observer Reply

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  • @observer (Comment 18) : we’ve been doing it for a lot longer and have come to a similar conclusion :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.10.13 13:52:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @observer (Comment 18) : @robdylan (Comment 19) : agree 100%

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.10.13 14:04:43 by MJ Reply

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  • @observer (Comment 18) : @robdylan (Comment 19) : :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.10.13 14:09:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Nothing against Williams but if things go south with steyn Whitehead has the experience to possibly save the match. I just hope that Steyn isnt to rusty. Its a pitty that we lost Jannie,

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.10.13 14:19:43 by Tiny Reply

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  • @observer (Comment 18) : @robdylan (Comment 19) : @MJ (Comment 20) : :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.10.13 14:22:14 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @observer (Comment 18) : @robdylan (Comment 19) : @MJ (Comment 20) : we’re all used to it by now :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.10.13 14:26:36 by Ludz Reply

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  • Big mistake to leave Whitehead out

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.10.13 14:44:11 by loona Reply

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  • Fucking stupid leaving Whitehead out completely.

    Ludik is not a 13. He still doesn’t know how to defend that all important channel properly.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.10.13 15:03:29 by John Galt Reply

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  • Rob, any chance you could get a comment or two from the coaching staff to explain their thinking regarding the latest selections? I guess Ludik at 13 is one of the main headscratchers but it would be interesting to hear more about their approach to this game in general.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.10.13 15:09:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • And I seriously hope Jake Whites didn’t have a hand in this.

    We all know he, at times, has a penchant for big dom centres.

    Whitehead will be on the first plane out of Shark town if it is.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.10.13 15:09:47 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 14) :
    Whitehead is a 13. Played there all his life. Its only through injury that he has played 12 before.

    He is the only centre on the Sharks’ books that remotely resembles a creative, hard working Conrad Smith type of player.
    And he’s more experienced than Williams. In both positions.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.10.13 15:12:03 by John Galt Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 11) :
    That’s a very very good point.

    5 players out of 7 who have played FB at the highest level at the Sharks.

    Madness.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.10.13 15:13:49 by John Galt Reply

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  • Just a question, which I hope someone can answer, but is Steyn allowed to play this weekend? Naka said that Goosen had to play last week in order to be allowed to play in the semi-final, so should this not have applied to Steyn as well?

    Rob, your thoughts?

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.10.13 15:24:17 by StevieS Reply
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  • @observer (Comment 18) : @robdylan (Comment 19) : @MJ (Comment 20) : I don’t get the joke :???: :?:

    Hope the guys can pull it off this weekend. I’m a bit worried about Steyn being rushed back!

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.10.13 15:27:36 by ChrisS Reply
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  • It’s real easy people: Ludik picked for defence and Steyn for crash ball.

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.10.13 15:32:32 by JD Reply
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  • I just went and looked at the weather forecast for saterday. It’s gonna be a swimmers contest with all the rain. I think the team chosen is a very good decision by the coaches with all the fullbacks in the team. I think there will be even more kicking than last weekend’s game, so having all that fullback experience will just be awesome for us

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.10.13 15:34:56 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 26) : While having Ludik at 13 is a bit of a surprise I think you are wrong about his defensive abilities in that channel. As a sanity check I dug up the last couple of player ratings Rob did for Ludik at 13. Granted a bit lost at the beginning but grew into the role quite nicely.

    13. Louis Ludik. Continues to look a little out of sorts at centre, but you have to say that this week he really did take some big strides, particularly on defence. The try was just gravy. 7/10

    13. Louis Ludik. Ludik again looked a little lost in midfield, but made some strong runs with what little ball he got. His defence is his strong point in midfield, keeping the Bulls centres at bay 6/10

    13) Louis Ludik. Another great defensive performance from Ludik. Options were limited on attack, but he did what he could. 7/10

    (His last game at 13)
    13) Louis Ludik. Probably the best back, from a defensive point of view. That said, the entire line was porous, with very little done on attack to redeem themselves. 6/10

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.10.13 15:39:26 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 35) :
    Fair enough but I think you need to take Robs ratings with a pinch of salt at times.
    He once gave one of the centres, I think it was Whitehead, a poor 5/10, only to have the actual game stats tell us that he was the best back of the day. Plenty offloads, tackles, line breaks etc etc. Its a difficult job rating players and a lot of it is subjective but the game stats told a different story.

    I can see the FS centres licking their chops for this weekend. Seriously. When last did Ludik even play for the Sharks? Have FS and Ludik ever played at 12 and 13 together? Those 2 little FS buggers are potentially going to have a field day on Saturday.

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.10.13 15:49:58 by John Galt Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 31) : Naka wsa talking shit :)

    Players who are on a union’s books at the start of the season don’t need to do anything to qualify for any knock-out game. The qualification criteria only applies to players brought in from outside during the tournament.

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.10.13 15:50:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 36) : Yeah I always do, but he did impress me at 13 so I wanted to double check myself.

    I also think our backs are far more dangerous than the Cheetahs, especially in a game with heavy rain predicted. Solid defence will be vital and I’m struggling to picture Robert/sadie creating much forward momentum through our centers.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.10.13 16:03:03 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I can’t complain about the forwards. There are a few interesting things in the backline though… I honestly think Steyn is more a 13 than a 12. If anything, I would have left Ludik out, giving either Williams or Whitehead the 12 spot with Steyn outside. Nobody can argue with the selection of Lambie. It’s a pity Butch misses out, but he has had his time, now it’s time for the youngsters. One thing I have noticed, the number of people who arguably are better fullbacks.

    Lambie – I reckon he’s a 10, but there are fair arguments that he is a 15.
    Steyn – He is a fullback! That’s the only way to get good use out of his kicking game.
    Ludik – No argument here, he is no centre and one hell of a fullback.
    Ndungane – He has played well at 14 and 15. I think it’s quite 50-50, but still.
    Marais – Duh.

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.10.13 17:25:03 by David12246 Reply

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  • Pat @ 10 makes sense… However Frans and Ludik makes no sense, and that causes a change of opinion in Pats selection as well…

    Complete new 10,12,13 axis…. For a semi final in the rain….

    Would like to know the coaches reasoning?

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.10.13 22:20:13 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 40) : Are the coaches panicking maybe?

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.10.13 22:21:52 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @observer (Comment 18) : Oh wow, who pulled your little chain, let me guess you know exactly what you are talking about. You sound like a waste of space

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.10.13 23:07:19 by Saffex Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 29) : Fair enough, I only ever recall seeing him at 12 and this is where he made his impression more than a year ago before he got injured

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.10.13 23:10:14 by Saffex Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 31) : You have a point

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.10.13 23:11:02 by Saffex Reply

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  • Why play ludik anyway currie cup supose to be building depth for next year and help youngsters with the step up …. ludik is going away anyway so why play him and then out of position aswell … i was a big fan of ludik at fullback but at centre he pulls the entire team down and that i dont like

  • Comment 45, posted at 17.10.13 06:43:04 by johnny Reply

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  • @Saffex (Comment 42) : In Afrikaans we have a wonderful saying. ” n Lee blikke maak die meeste geraas” I guess you can be classified as a ‘lee blik/ empty can”

  • Comment 46, posted at 17.10.13 06:50:01 by observer Reply

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  • Personally I have no problem with Lambie,Steyn and Ludick. Thats a very solid midfield. Yes mayb they dont have the best flair but they all have exceptional handling and probably more speed than Williams/Whithead. Please it seems like its going to piss with rain so id also prefer my backline to have good hands and kicking ability and neither Williams or Whitehead can kick. Horses for courses! I think Ludick can be a good 13. Not all 13s have to play the same way! He runs hard and defends well. With creative players inside him why do you need a very creative 13? This game needs to be set up by our forwards with lambie/Steyn/Zeilinga kicking well

  • Comment 47, posted at 17.10.13 08:18:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Everybody has debated the backs to death. It is what it is. The majority of our problems during the season has been forwards (rucks, scrum and of late lineouts) What has and what is going to change ? Do not underestimate the FS forwards specially in a tight close contact game in rain!

  • Comment 48, posted at 17.10.13 09:10:26 by observer Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 41) : I think they are big time,this rotation policy got blown out the water big time last Saturday,it might work in Northern Hemisphere rugby BV,but show me Chiefs,Crusaders et al that chop and change EVERY week,continuity is the Southern Hemisphere way with proper conditioning of players.Also when it rains ,it does so on both sides of the field so no excuses.

  • Comment 49, posted at 17.10.13 09:23:44 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 49) : Unfortunately you cannot compare New Zealand players and teams as they are centrally contracted and their top players play mayb half the rugby our top guys do. Rotation is the way forward or players careers in this country will be shortened by 5 to 10yrs. Do we really think Jean DeVilliers and Jannie Dup will make the next world cup playing the amount of rugby they do! Forget it!

  • Comment 50, posted at 17.10.13 09:28:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) :
    Yeah I think the rain is the main reason Ludik has been picked at 13.
    Because he certainly doesn’t have the handling skills and offload ability of Whitehead.
    The whole game will slow down and become a bit of a slug fest. Like last weekend.

  • Comment 51, posted at 17.10.13 09:31:31 by John Galt Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Isn’t that more down to proper player management which doesn’t exist in SARugby

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.10.13 09:42:39 by benji Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 51) : Yes i think its exactly that. Sharks coaches are thinking more blunt force than silky skills in the wet. Thats why im surprised Edwin Hewitt didnt make the 22.

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.10.13 10:11:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 52) : You 100% correct. Player management is not good. Our Unions believe that because they pay players those guy must play every game. Central contracting wont happen in SA for a long long time.

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.10.13 10:27:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 49) : @benji (Comment 52) :
    1. It did not get blown out of the water. Two kicks could have swung it our way or perhaps even opting for a lineout instead of a kick or keeping Bissie on for longer (which was not a rotational switch as he just joined the squad).
    2. Comparing SA to NZ is not an apples to apples comparison as SheldonK pointed out and hoping and waiting on SARU to sort it out will result in these players been played into the ground in the meantime.
    3. Proper conditioning is not the issue, it’s playing time. Prof. Noakes has the research to prove it and has been warning SA teams about this for at least the past 2-3 years now. The ever-increasing amount of injuries in SA squads participating in the expanded Super Rugby competition further supports this.
    4. The rotation policy has already borne fruit even though it’s a long-term initiative. We are yet to reap all its rewards though.
    5. If the Sharks stick with this I can guarantee you that other SA squads with the necessary player depth will follow suit.

    Just because we’re the first Southern Hemisphere team to pioneer a concept does not make it a fool’s errand.

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.10.13 10:30:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Rubbish, the NZ top players may play a few less but nowhere close to half than ours. Granted, they were not released for the domestic competition, but keep in mind they play 2 more tests at the end of the year (including this coming Saturday).

    Agree with you on the rotation though. It has been tried before but injuries often interferes.

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.10.13 10:50:34 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 49) : Really? We lose a match against a very motivated WP by 4 points and that blows the whole rotation thing out of the water. Season is not over yet ouboet.

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.10.13 10:52:33 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @johnny (Comment 45) :
    “currie cup supose to be building depth for next year and help youngsters with the step up ”
    - since when is the CC suppose to be a development exercise? Even if you want to take that approach, when you get to the semis, you play your best team. Right now it’s about winning and not about development or sentimentality or anything else.

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.10.13 10:55:48 by MysticShark Reply
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  • Agree 100%. Best team, consistency, appropriate for conditions and competition

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.10.13 11:05:32 by Observer Reply

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  • @MysticShark (Comment 58) : @MysticShark (Comment 57) : I definitely agree,its now about winning and nothing else,and this Saturday the only problem will be what pattern do you want to rearrange there spots to.

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.10.13 11:05:37 by benji Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 56) : Yes half was an exaggeration but it is significantly less than our players. I saw an article comparing Jean DeVilliers and Conrad Smith who are both the same age and both key in each teams backline. DeVilliers will play 2 currie cup games and 3 end of year tests then straight into super rugby so zero time to recover and condition. Conrad Smith has now been given off until super rugby to rest and condition himself. Its not guess work to see which player will be fresher come the Rugby Championship next year

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.10.13 11:11:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : I think they view the lineout as key, hence the need to have a specialist on the bench. Lewies has impressed hugely and now looks likely to play some Super Rugby next year.

  • Comment 62, posted at 17.10.13 11:43:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • I love reading all these comments. Almost all writers on this site discuss rugby – on other sites you get so much rubbish! THANKS GUYS!

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.10.13 12:05:18 by [email protected] Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : Lewies has done well i agree. But lineouts are about lifters as much as jumpers and Hewitt is a good lifter. With Botes and Coetzee not jumping it does limit our lineout options which is probably why both PSDT and Marais start. With Bresler back next year i dont know how much Lewies will play unless PSDT goes to flank but that area is already crowded.The benefit of playing PSDT and Marais is that they both fairly light so strong props such as Beast and Jannie could lift them by themselves from the front.

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.10.13 12:37:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Yes … in the semis you want your strongest team i agree but is ludik and steyn at 12 and 13 the best we have ?

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.10.13 14:01:20 by johnny Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : my feeling is Anton will be first-choice 4 next year

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.10.13 15:22:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Yeh i do believe so too. Anton 4 with PSDT at 5. then Coetzee, Alberts and Daniel. Makes one think though how Botes, Deysel and Kankowski fall into the mix. They will have to rotate surely? And Downey? Stander?
    Guys coming out of u21s will have to seek greener pastures elsewhere i think

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.10.13 16:07:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : for next year Sharks will have good backup cover in almost all the possitions, competition for places in the starting 15 should really be good. Let’s hope this will lift the team to maybe a first super 15 crown. But hey let’s get past the Cheetahs first before we star4t dreaming about next year. :cool:

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.10.13 21:30:56 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Hey Rob did you catch up with the sleep yet? Glad you’re back before the big game on Saterday.

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.10.13 21:34:44 by JD Reply
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  • @[email protected] (Comment 63) :
    I also often read through all the comments.

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.10.13 22:43:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : Maybe at the Lions, that way Strauli can continue to be blamed for player (non) retention at the Sharks. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.10.13 12:34:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 69) : I’m going back on Sunday :(

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.10.13 12:47:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 70) : same here makes my day beter and go by quicker on a other note this is a good team on paper and always has been just hope they don’t dissipoint me like always and there are two kickers in this game that can slot 50m+ kiks so discipline is going to be key in this game and that’s way i think fransie is in the team

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.10.13 12:57:58 by sharks4eve2013 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : Stander’s going to Australia, I believe

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.10.13 13:50:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : Are the Force getting another Saffa? haha Cant really blame him. Cant imagine Downey sticking around either. anyone seen Marius Joubert?

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.10.13 14:03:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : Did you catch Boots and All last night?

  • Comment 76, posted at 18.10.13 14:16:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 76) : No i missed it hey. Anything interesting i missed?

  • Comment 77, posted at 18.10.13 14:49:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : They had Tiaan Liebenberg in studio and they obviously analised the WP / Sharks game and more specifically Scarra Ntubeni but also the performance of the front rows. It was interesting that Liebenberg felt that some of the WP dominance came down to the “hit” that they got on the Sharks. I found it interesting as that was discussed here after the game and specifically because there should be no “hit” any more. I found it interesting how a current front rower obviously feels that it is somehow still part of the game. He did not go into, or was asked about the legality of it.

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.10.13 15:43:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : interesting that you mention that – I’ve also been wondering about it.

    There is definitely still a hit, as you can tell by how often the ref ends up having to wait for the scrum to stabilise before telling the 9 to get the ball in.

  • Comment 79, posted at 18.10.13 15:47:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : @robdylan (Comment 79) : Yeh look the way its meant to be reffed should negate the hit. However, i do not feel it is reffed correctly as the scrumhalf should be able to put the ball in whenever he likes to his benefit or detriment depending how dominant his scrum is. The Sharks do have a powerful pack but they are quite slow on the scrum engagement or ‘hit’ thus meaning the opposition gets the ‘hit’ on them most times and then the Sharks rely on their brute force to gain the upper hand in scrums. if the Sharks improve the speed of their engagement not many sides will be able to dominate them scrum time. But again the way its meant to be reffed the hit should be negated.

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.10.13 15:55:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : The hit has now moved to the back 5 – so it would not be as powerful as a hit from 8 guys, but definitely safer than the old hit.

  • Comment 81, posted at 18.10.13 15:59:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : Any discussion on when the Sharks did get the upperhand over WP in the scrums? Said this before I think, but during the match I was swearing that WP front row were conveniently slipping if the Sharks got a better hit or bind than them.

    Not that any of this matters for this weekends scrum lottery. Our ref has “never scrummed a day in his life”. :roll:

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.10.13 16:12:07 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 82) : So WP infringed much like the All Blacks do when they under pressure? As for this weekend…Van Der Westhuizen…in the rain…eish

  • Comment 83, posted at 18.10.13 16:16:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Go Sharkies!!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.10.13 19:24:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 82) : I think that goes for his reffing as well

  • Comment 85, posted at 19.10.13 13:51:00 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : @SheldonK (Comment 80) : the front three are scrum machines but the weakness are the rear 5 ,they not providing grunt for various reasons and all should scrum smatter as well

  • Comment 86, posted at 19.10.13 13:54:37 by benji Reply
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