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Embarrassing crowd at Sharks semi-final


Written by Maria Delport (Letgo)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, WP on 21 Oct 2013 at 10:35
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The Sharks get to the Currie Cup semi-final. They do so with a relatively young team and while building a good squad. They unfortunately do not manage to beat Western Province to secure a home-final position on the log, but they nonetheless get to the Currie Cup semi-final. A “HOME” Currie Cup semi-final. They have included all their available Boks. It’s very near to a Super Rugby strength Sharks team coming up against the same Cheetahs team that made it into the Super Rugby play-offs for the first time this year. It would be a cracker of a game. Only no one showed up.

It’s a little known fact that those living in the greater Durban area would in fact melt if touched by rain. In fact, some say many in this area (it is said anything in a 30 minute radius from the Kings Park rugby stadium) do not shower, for the fear of it having the same effect on their bodies as drops of rain will. So it was quite understandable when the Sharks jogged out, after a highly successful Currie Cup season, integrating new young players and re-introducing Bok players, reaching the pinnacle of the Currie Cup competition, that only those willing to melt for the Sharks showed up. Luckily it did not rain and there were no fatalities.

With “friends and family” and a few brave Sharks supporters looking on in the stands, the Sharks did a good job of getting over a spirited Cheetahs side. With a couple of outstanding individual performances, especially from a few of the returning Boks, appreciated by those in the stands and the literally thousands of inaudible cheers coming from the living rooms of Sharks fans everywhere, the Sharks scored 3 great tries met by the empty stands of Kings Park. And when the Cheetahs looked dangerous in the last quarter of the game and looked like getting over the line a couple of times, it was the 40 000 empty chairs when they looked up into the stands, they gave the Sharks the motivation to put everything on the line and hold on to the win for another place in a Currie Cup Final.

Meanwhile Province stormed passed the hapless Lions in front of 35 000 of their own fans.

Luckily the final will not be played at Kings Park this weekend, as rain is again predicted for Saturday and the chances of more people coming out to “risk their lives” to see the Sharks compete for the Currie Cup trophy, would have been to great.

And although some fans would have loved to have the opportunity to see their Sharkies one more time this year, those that showed up for the semi-final, would be relieved that they do not have to endure the embarrassment of an empty stadium again.

Here’s to a great final at a full Newlands, for the first time in 12 years at probably the best supported home ground in South Africa.

PS. If the same melting theory applies to Sharks supporters in the Cape Town area, as it does the Sharks Supporters near Kings Park, please know that no rain is predicted for this weekend and you can safely show up and support your team!



129 Comments

  • Nice one, and very true. A number of friends (With tickets) decided not to attend because of the weather. I really expected more to attend though, its good the final is in newlands as games of this magnitude should not be so poorly attended.
    Also, we can get back at them for winning on our turf last season…hopefully.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.10.13 10:44:55 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • lmmfao :smile:

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.10.13 10:47:33 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Jeremiser (Comment 1) : You mean “ex-friends”!

    I had 3 unused season tickets because some of my family did not show up! I won’t be going to their funerals! (Kidding – kind of).

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.10.13 10:51:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • my colleague Won 2, and still wasted them. for me, its very difficult to get my friends to join me for rugby (unless its free and there is no rain).

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.10.13 10:53:32 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • I am a great fan of watching the Sharks at Kings Park, but I think there are a number of factors that you simply don’t take into account.

    Firstly, the entire world is in an economic depression, not sure if you have noticed, so spending a stupid amount of money to sit and watch rugby in the rain, if you are already forking out R700 a month to have DSTV, is a factor.

    Secondly, the Sharks have not exactly set the world alight in recent months, and while I expected them to win, I did not think a wet pitch was going to result in any real entertaining rugby, especially in a semi-final.

    From personal experience, my fiancé has ended up being beer-covered, mustard-covered and sick-covered on three different excursions, so it is not that people do not want to watch the rugby at the stadium, it is that they do not want to watch the rugby with fellow idiot supporters, that get up 3 times a half to get beer, go to the loo and get beer again, only to repeat this process in the second half.

    So yes, ‘melting’ might be a cute way of saying it, it is the experience that is not pulling in the supporters anymore.

    To give you an idea, in 2007, when the Sharks played some decent rugby, 305 000 people visited the stadium in the Super Rugby season. This year, they managed just over 107 000. That says something more than just sitting in the rain.

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.10.13 10:53:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Been staying in cape town forever…cant wait for Saturday. Watching rugby in the rain is like fishing in the rain. Lol

    Its actually sad how many peeps showed up for the semi…I bet you there will be more sharks supporters come Saturday at newlands than at the HOME of sharks rugby.

    sometimes it help to have “weer probeer” supporters as I will be enjoying this game from the box. Please Sharks…for the sake of cape town sharks supporters, TRAP DAAI HOOLAHOOPS WANNEER DIT SAAK MAAK!!!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.10.13 10:53:55 by capesharks Reply

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  • @Jeremiser (Comment 1) : I see you bought a ticket to the final already. I am now considering doing the same thing. I am so angry at the support last weekend that I am willing to make debt to get to the final and show sharks supporters what it means to support your team!

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.10.13 10:55:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • The process of buying tickets is also seriously flawed.

    Firstly, one has to get the tickets at the stadium itself, otherwise you get Computicket seats in the clouds.

    Secondly, the really good areas are never available because of supoposed season ticket holders, but they themselves never pitch up, which makes the stadium look emptier. And don’t even try get to those seats even if they are empty.

    The Sharks seriously need to look at this.

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.10.13 10:56:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) :
    See Rich, for me there’s a difference in “watching the game” and supporting your team. But Is suppose that’s only me and the few hundred at the game on Saturday (spilling the beer), which by the way, in the more than 100 times I’ve been to the stadium in the 13 years that I have owned season tickets, has maybe happened about 3 times to me.

    You don’t have to be a diehard to show up to a semifinal.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.10.13 11:03:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 9) :

    I’m just putting some other worldly factors to your debate, that’s all.

    So in your opinion, a fan or supporter is not a supporter if he is not at the game?

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.10.13 11:04:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) :
    Hey I’m not saying things are perfect and those are valid points you have, but definitely things you should be willing to look past when your team makes the semi-final.

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.10.13 11:05:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : Rich the ticket buying is definitely a factor. U cant get good seats on match days and season ticket holders cannot upgrade their seats to better seats as the Union has allocated those seats to SARU for test matches. SO a lot of season ticket holders only come in fair weather and jsut enjoy the other benefits of season tickets. I think R120 a ticket is crazy, especially cos they gave out free tickets to schools anyway. R40 tickets would see the stadium more full but Durban supporters dont come out in the rain, this we know. I also think the ban on alcohol on the outer fields has drastically reduced the number of people that used to come to rugby for the party and just watched the game as well. And lastly when crowd attendance is taken into account they assume all the seats in the boxes are full- and we all know that isnt true! Smitty has some serious work on his hands to get people back at Kings Park.

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.10.13 11:07:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) :

    I was in the unfortunate position of being at a wedding on Saturday afternoon, otherwise I would have been there myself.

    I am just saying, you cannot just blame the rain for the lack of supporters, they aren’t there even if the sun is shining..

    There are more concerning factors to talk about

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.10.13 11:07:45 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : I have faithfully supported the Sharks when they play at Loftus but for some of the very same reasons you mention regarding idiot supporters I now prefer to stay at home. Hopefully the Tank is still a little more family friendly compared to Loftus. I’m still planning to make my way down there to catch a game next year.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.10.13 11:07:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 9) : And last years CC final,stadium was half full/half empty and B field quarter full/empty,so what’s changed?

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.10.13 11:08:57 by benji Reply
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  • My sister and her boyfriend went. Hell, they attended every game this year! She’s a huge fan and I’m damn proud of her. If I was closer to Dbn I’d be there every weekend. It sucks that the Durbanites do not appreciate what they have!

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.10.13 11:09:48 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) :

    The outer field alcohol banned completely slipped my mind, thank you for bringing it up.

    This has had a major effect on the attendance, as you have mentioned, as people made an outing out of it, having a braai and enjoying the day as a whole.

    We will find that those season ticket holder numbers will drastically reduce next year, as will the Rovers’ income from the parking. Knock on effect of a few bodybuilders beating an oke to a pulp, which is a shame!

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.10.13 11:10:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 7) : no no, just a plane ticket…im praying i get the final ticket. Work is so busy, i need to find a gap to order online tomorrow.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.10.13 11:11:28 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) :

    Yes that has always been my definition of a supporter. My Dad roots for the Sharks when we watch their games and comes to watch their games when he feels that it will be entertaining to him, but I do not think he is a Sharks supporter.

    I don’t know how you can “support” if you’re never at the games or never willing to go to the games.

    The game is a lot more fun and entertaining to watch, both on TV and at the stadium, when more people show up.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.10.13 11:12:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 19) :

    So if a supporter happens to live in Newcastle, he is not allowed to be called a supporter? Or even in Pietermaritzburg?

    I think you are quite close to being financially and location biased.. But that’s just me..

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.10.13 11:14:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 19) :

    Let me put it this way.

    Western Province fans have to pay R350 a ticket to attend the final, as the final ticket is not included in the season ticket price.

    Are you saying that any WP fan in Cape Town that does not attend the match, is not a true supporter?

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.10.13 11:16:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) :
    All of it plays a part in attendance, and I’m not saying that the Sharks shouldn’t be working on this, because those that only come for the entertainment value and are’t really there to spur THEIR team on, will always stay at home if they feel they can be more entertained by watching on TV or maybe not watching at home.

    What I’m saying was there not enough SUPPORTERS willing to come out for a semi-final. Not for entertainment value, because given the threat of weather and the fact that the Sharks haven’t exactly been playing the most exciting rugby this season, there was always going to be the chance that it was going to be a bit of a snooze fest, so the watchers of rugby and sometimes Sharks rugby, would never have showed up, but what about the supporters? Don’t they want to be there to support their team to a win?

    And I’m not talking about those stuck at weddings (I know you’re a big Sharks supporter Rich)

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.10.13 11:18:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 21) : I did say if you have the means to get to the final. Which includes finances.

    I lived in Welkom for quite some time. So I’m not location biased (I know it sucks not being able to get to the game), but every time the Sharks did show up in Welkom, I went out to support them. And felt quite honored to see guys like Andre Joubert, James Small and Kabous van der Westhuizen play (and meat them after the game).

    Actually I believe those that don’t have the means or are “locationally disabled” should be the ones that are peeved. Since they would love to make their voices heard in support for the Sharks, but cannot, since they are not close by and cannot afford to fork out the travel cost to go away to Durban for a weekend to support the Sharks.

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.10.13 11:23:37 by Letgo Reply
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  • The only reason I didn’t come, the ONLY reason, is that I live in f***ing Europe (which aside from the rugby is great). I would be there rain or shine, beer or no beer, puke or no puke. I love my Sharkies and it pains me to see the pathetic crowd attendance in my home town. In New Zealand, even for regular season matches in the ITM Cup their stadiums are full. Granted, their stadiums are much much smaller than Kings Park, but still!

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.10.13 11:28:03 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 5) : Fair enough…could do with a few more ‘die hards’ but fair enough.
    Out of curiosity, what do semi tickets go for these days in the motherland?? (Live in Aussie these days)
    And final tickets for that matter??

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.10.13 11:29:54 by pienaar111 Reply

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  • @pienaar111 (Comment 25) :

    Semi-final – R120
    Final – R350

    These are both included in Sharks season tickets.
    The final is not included in the Western Province season ticket.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.10.13 11:31:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • There are many factors and there are many excuses. Its a fact that the support in durban is not where it should be / used to be. This is also consistent with other events, such that big concerts and other promoters are not bringing big acts to Durban.

    I know that its more comfortable for people to watch the game at home, instead of hustling for parking, waiting in traffic and driving home later. I’ve been visiting KP for the past 18 years so its become a bit of a ritual and its up to us to keep the fire burning and bringing others with us.
    just as an aside a few things could be improved to make the match day experience more enjoyable.
    Half time entertainment needs to improve too
    The big screen needs upgrading
    maybe have commentary, where u can tune in on your radio, like how it worked at your local drive in. or via streaming on free internet.

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.10.13 11:32:29 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • Living in PE I will not miss one CC game given the opportunity for the Kings to play Premier Div, I went to every SR match, and the latter part of the 1st Div, nothing beats live rugby

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.10.13 11:33:50 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @Jeremiser (Comment 27) :

    There is one massive factor that hasn’t been raised as yet, and that is the amount of cops on the roads these days, and road blocks.

    I know one can watch the game without drinking a beer or two, but do you really want to? I know there are many options in this regard, I just think it is also a factor to consider..

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.10.13 11:38:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) :
    Many of the issues you’re bringing up are the same across the country at every stadium.

    So yes, Sharks fix some of this stuff please, but still surely a few more should show up.

    I have a couple of ideas of my own to improve the experience for those coming for entertainment value only and even for those of us who will pitch up no matter how badly the Sharks are playing.

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.10.13 11:43:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • But really the people commenting and reading Sharksworld, probably aren’t the culprits, it’s those not reading Sharksworld.

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.10.13 11:44:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) : haha i wanted to add that too, but then i feared the wrath of the non-drinkers.

    i tried taking the train, but it wasnt the greatest experience I e i left all my valuables at home and would not recommend it for females; but our transport system was better..that would be best

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.10.13 11:45:09 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) : It is a factor yes, but just rotate as Designated Dave?

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.10.13 11:47:52 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Yes i always knew that ban would affect numbers and that in combo with the weather will have serious affects. I still dont see their rational in banning alcohol because a guy got beat up. Do they think banning alcohol on outer fields will make a difference. Well mayb i guess it will as there will be nobody there to beat up! Drop ticket prices, allow alcohol on outer fields and make parking easier and the numbers will come back to the stadium. Easier said than done for some of those things though!

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.10.13 11:48:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • well according to simon borchardt on sarugbymag site:
    I’m told the Sharks’ dwindling crowds are a result of so many of their traditional rugby supporters (whites) leaving KwaZulu-Natal to take up jobs in other provinces, but then the union needs to aggressively market the game to blacks and Indians in the province.

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.10.13 11:53:42 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • if i lived in Durban i would be at all the games.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.10.13 11:54:23 by pete69 Reply

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  • Why would anyone want to leave Durban!

    But that’s a fair observation. We really do need to market the game to everyone. It would be good for support and just good for the game in general.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.10.13 11:56:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • I haven’t missed a single game and every week I think “maybe THIS week the stadium will be full” and every week it isn’t :( A true Sharks supporter supports in all weather conditions and regardless of whether we lost last week or not!!! I really wish I could afford the trip to Cape Town to watch OUR TEAM in the final! It’s sad that so few people will sit in the rain – maybe we should promote the R10 “raincoats” for next season. Bring it home Sharks :razz:

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.10.13 12:00:28 by Debbie Riggien Reply

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  • I personally wont attend another Sharks game to be Sandwiched between two people you don’t even know. The seats there are seriously so close to each other there is absolutely no comfort at all. then to add to this, I live in PMB which is faily close considering how far other people have to drive. A day out at the park would cost me alone at least 800 bucks. Then still have to sit with the risk of having to drive all the way home.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.10.13 12:00:42 by Uli Reply
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  • @Jeremiser (Comment 35) : It wont work its to costly to go to KP for a game.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.10.13 12:02:21 by Uli Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : I agree, I cant remember who it is in the UK, think Sarries, they have a option to resell their season tickets for each game that is played, so basically you can get revenue back on your season ticket by not going and then reselling the ticket.

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.10.13 12:06:03 by Uli Reply
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  • In my opinion;
    -Poor public transport
    -Cost of tickets; if I wanted to go with a group of friends the sum total can easily reach 2k +
    -For most people it’s a 20 to 30 minute drive
    -My nights over if I go and watch the game, I don’t have the money to go out afterwards.
    -Weathers bad ,Ill stay home.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.10.13 12:26:20 by Talent Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 19) : “I don’t know how you can “support” if you’re never at the games or never willing to go to the games.”

    I know what you’re trying to get at but careful how you word statements like that one. Some supporters could find it offensive.

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.10.13 12:37:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Durban people suck, plain and simple, I’m almost embarrassed to say I come from KZN. I would give anything to go and watch rugby at Kings Park, but I have to make do with Skysports coverage which is rather good. Perhaps living in the UK where we see a fair bit or rain has made me lose my potential to melt but I was so disappointed to see open stands when I watched the game on TV here in England.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.10.13 12:41:56 by Jacques Venter Reply

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  • its difficult to get new people there if current games atmosphere is not great. i took a few first timers this season, and sadly none have returned, the stadiums werent full, so the atmosphere wasnt as exciting, so when i asked if they would like to come again, they didnt exactly jump for the chance (coupled with the weather). thats why i feel that the old timers need to return and the team winning certainly attracts people.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.10.13 12:46:17 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • I wish I could’ve gone to the game Saturday – rain or no rain. I am a huge fan of the Sharks, but I live in Vryheid, it’s just to far to drive up every game. If I lived in Durban, I would have definitely been there.

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.10.13 12:48:27 by Citizen Reply

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  • I watched a documentary where they got celebrities to outline their version of a bad ass night. Which would you call a badass night?

    1. Organize a week before with several mates to go watch the game at the stadium ,it’s raining ,but you are confident your mates will pull through .

    Petrol to get down to the stadium costs you around R50, more because you gave a few girls you know a lift down (you dont ask for petrol money).You struggle to find a parking(you probably wont, but a nice parking is a different story)and eventually park on the curb of some dodgy Durban back road.

    You walk through the rain, adamant that it’ll be a good night ,to a place you agreed to meet your mates(two of them decided to carpool) and they aren’t there, you look at your phone and you have a whatsapp message “nort bro ,to cold ,enjoy anyway :lol:
    These chicks just complain about having to walk through mud.

    You fork out R350(?), you’re wallet looks like the inside of Julius Malemas mind. You find your seats and they’re extremely uncomfortable and it’s cold. You’re getting soaked.

    You can’t enjoy the game for a number of reasons; a)you are being talked at by your friends :sad: :x b)Your ass hurts from sitting on a shit chair c)You can hardly see anything d)You are wet and uncomfortable e)The games a snooze fest anyway f)You cant even get drunk to make things better…

    You leave the game ,feeling like the new boy in prison ;soaking and your bum hurts. You go out to a club ,pay for entrance and you are officially out of action for the month.

    or…

    2) You have a braai at home ,everyone arrives ,the game is on the big screen. Even though it’s raining ,you’re inside and comfortable- there is a fire on and you can actually see whats happening in the game. The game finishes ,and you have some money to go out after. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.10.13 12:50:53 by Talent Reply
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  • We’re reaping 15 years of poor marketing where the Sharks have not had to do anything to get supporters to the game. They’ve milked the public and as money has got tighter so the number of seats filled has dropped. I remember going as a kid to watch the sharks watch northern freestate play and there were more seats filled than there are on super rugby matches.

    If you go and look in the stands the average supporter is 35+ and generally without kids. Theyve lost a whole generation of supporters …

    In addition, the game is sooo commercialised. I walked around looking for something to eat the other day and there are only 3 food vendors in the stadium.

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.10.13 12:50:56 by byron Reply

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  • We went to the game on Saturday. Come rain or even more rain, I was hell-bend on going. Living about two hours out of Durban, we made it a day trip and stayed over at a hotel on the beachfront. So, adding up expenses for tickets, accommodation, refreshments etc. it was quite an expensive weekend. Not saying that it wasn’t worth it, but most of my friends living in Durban (including season ticket holders) decided to rather stay at home as they wanted to braai and make a party out of it.

    Regarding public transport, we walked back and forth from the beachfront and it was an AMAZING experience!!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.10.13 12:52:28 by bokbok Reply

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  • Province had 31000 and the sharks had a little more than 12000… But never the less agree with the point, shocking turnout

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.10.13 13:00:26 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • I reckon that Durban supporters have to look differently at going to Kings Park and braai before or afterwards. If restaurants or pubs or casinos nearby KP offer some sort of game day entertainment or build-up to the matches…I would attend.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.10.13 13:13:24 by bokbok Reply

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  • Ive been to almost every home game this year, and this was by far the most pathetic I have ever seen the Tank. Barney has his work cut out to get people to go again. We used to be able to sit on the b field and have a beer after the game while watching whatever old toppie band they had playing on the stage. Now not anymore. Try and take a drink with you when walking to the B field afterwards and you are treated like a criminal. Saterday after the game I had a cooldrink can in my hand, and a security guard tried giving me stick. The pre match entertainment also sucks and has become stale. We used to make sure we got to the game at least half an hour from kickoff just to watch the Sharkettes and Flasher girls. But that novelty is over now.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.10.13 13:18:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Overcast skies are to the durbanite as the sun is to a vampire….

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.10.13 13:25:42 by The Quirk Reply
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  • But seriously, perhaps its time to seriously consider moving to the world class awesome stadium just next door…

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.10.13 13:36:58 by The Quirk Reply
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  • I attended on Saturday (thanks for the free tickets SW!) and have to agree with several of the points made on the thread before. The seats ARE damn uncomfortable! How much money has been spent on upgrading Kings Park since the big upgrade for the ’95 World Cup? My guess would be practically nothing. You go into any of the pubs and the photos hanging on the walls are from the early 90′s (Wahl Bartmann, Guy Kebble etc). Yes the seats on the open stands are not comfortable and placed too close together, forcing you to stand up for the crowd who like to get beer and food frequently. When you put all these issues together it’s hardly surprising that attendances are getting down to ‘die hard’ fans only. It’s easy enough to criticize non-attending fans but do the Sharks management do enough to make the experience of attending live rugby in Durban an enjoyable one? Perhaps a move over the road to the new stadium is something that should be fast-tracked in terms of creating the kind of atmosphere that will start to pull in those large crowds once again.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.10.13 13:37:10 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 55) : I agree, as much as I love King’s Park, Moses Mabhida is just a simply awesome stadium. Watched one of the Soccer WC matches there as well as the Top Gear show, and its just so up to date and comfortable. Luckily I always watch the games in a hospitality box, but even there the seats are uncomfortable.

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.10.13 13:41:11 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 56) : @Greg (Comment 55) : @The Quirk (Comment 54) : I agree ,I think one of the main reasons is the old decrepid stadium with broken and dirty toilets.must be the worst stadium in SA .don’t blame the weather,2008 CC final,bad weather,packed stadium

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.10.13 13:51:45 by benji Reply
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  • Comment 58, posted at 21.10.13 13:57:39 by Son Of Mayhem Reply
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  • I think youre being very unfair to the people who wanted to come to the game but didn’t because of the rain about.
    I know of 20 people just off by hand who didn’t come as a direct result of the weather.

    Kings Park is not just about rocking up for the game and going home straight afterwards like most other stadia in the world.
    Its a whole day experience. Particularly for those having to travel far distances

    My old man organises to get to his parking space on KP1 at about 2pm if its a 5pm game. He gets his picnic/braai gear out and sits with a couple mates before its time to go in.
    With the rain, the whole experience is ruined and thus he didn’t travel to the game.

    Even those people who live as close as Umhlanga etc didn’t pull thru because of it.

    And as for Newlands on Saturday. That stadium was bathed in sunlight and yet there were large gaps in the stadium. It was nowhere near full.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.10.13 14:05:14 by John Galt Reply

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  • Also, Moses Mabhida is a wonderful stadium but I would like to watch a game of rugby there before we make a decision.
    Because there is nothing to touch the atmosphere and viewing experience of KP when you are that close to the action.

    I have a feeling, with the field so far from the stands at MM, fans will feel detached from the action.

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.10.13 14:08:37 by John Galt Reply

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  • if i didnt know better i would have sworn you guys are Lions supporters talking about Ellis park .

    Seems we have similar issues ?

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.10.13 14:15:16 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I remember growing up in the nineties how cool the Shark brand were,the union had a lot of inovative ideas.Presently there isn’t any new ideas coming out of the Sharks marketing team,even our website is boring.We must start to become inovative again.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.10.13 14:23:10 by Phil46 Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 61) : Ellis Park still ranks as my favourite stadium for rugby matches. The FNB stadium comes in second.

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.10.13 14:32:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 52) : It is seriously that bad now?

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.10.13 14:38:38 by Uli Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 57) : Oh so since 2008 the seats has suddenly become more uncomfortable or people have become more snobby.

    I agree the seats aren’t that comfortable, but I like the fact that they are put close together, because you are much closer to the game than at any other stadium.

    The stadium shouldn’t be changed for those not coming now, because they’ll only come until the novelty factor wears of again and then they’ll be left with only the ‘die hards’ again and some of them won’t even go to the new stadium. I don’t want to watch rugby from that far away. I actually want to see the game.

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.10.13 14:42:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 61) : too much rugby?

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.10.13 14:48:21 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 59) :
    My Dad is one of those that didn’t come because of the weather, so is my brother. I include them and your Dad in with all the other melting Durbanites. Sure, it won’t be the same because of the weather, but this is rugby if you don’t want to get wet go to a play, or the cricket or the philharmonic by the lake – those events have cover from the rain or gets cancelled because of bad weather.

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.10.13 14:52:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 43) :
    If I’m not being at least a little offensive then my message is not coming through clearly enough – I have to say, I was feeling a little more than offended by all those that didn’t show up for the game on Saturday.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.10.13 14:56:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @R Hayward (Comment 66) :

    i remember back in the day when we still had the super 12 . you had your currie cup . SO you saw the Lions vs the sharks ect . and then you had super rugby . something different . something unknown . new teams new players .

    Im afraid that newness has now worn off

    Lions play the Sharks min 4 times a year . it is getting a bit boring

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.10.13 14:57:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 67) : All i’m gonna say about this debate….
    Wish I lived in Durbs… would have tried to make a family outing of every game during the CC season! SR probably as well… but just to have that chance meeting with one of the ouens!
    So lucky the poepols of Durban is…

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.10.13 14:59:12 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 69) : I agree with you. It just gets boring hitting out at another local team for 10 times a season! SR is killing rugby!!!

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.10.13 15:00:44 by R Hayward Reply

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  • @R Hayward (Comment 71) :

    Lions loosing 4/4 doesnt help much either :sad: ;-)

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.10.13 15:05:29 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @R Hayward (Comment 71) :
    I’d just like to make it clear that I also agree with this. There is way to much rugby.

    It’s also why I haven’t brought this subject up earlier, but for a semifinal, nothing or near to nothing should stop anyone to get to the stadium if they can.

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.10.13 15:10:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 68) : What are you on about? :lol: Sounding a little sanctimonious :roll: Maybe you enjoy sitting in the rain on uncomfortable seats, with little in the way of food or beverages, for a few hundred rand -not sure to many others do…

    @R Hayward (Comment 71) : No ways man ,I love watching all the Rugby I can. Come January I crave non stop weekends of Rugby.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.10.13 15:24:27 by Talent Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 73) : yes also agree with that! The ouens are putting their bodies on the line the entire season for us! We should at least help them through semi’s!!!

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.10.13 15:24:34 by R Hayward Reply

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  • I’ve been to every match at KP for the last few years. To be honest, if I didn’t have gold zone tickets, I’d think twice – its rather unpleasant touching all of the people around you when you sit, which is the case everywhere but the gold zone. I’m in the front row and there were only two other people in the row. That said, I had the pleasure of sitting next to a woman when we had the double test match who spent the entire time reading a romance novel – I find that more offensive than people not turning up! The drinking ban doesn’t affect me as I’m an honorary life member of the boring old farts club but my brother who comes with me loves having a designated driver.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.10.13 15:27:27 by Scooby55 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 73) :

    i find that people are full of it . People complain about the safety at ellis park and give that as a reason why they dont go . Yet we had a sold out match vs the all blacks less than a month ago

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.10.13 15:33:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I plea with my dad and friends to go to the game ,not because I want to ,because I’m embarrassed at how empty the stadium is.

    So much has been made of the poor support and to me there seems to be a lot of fingers pointed at the fans. It’s like being in a bad relationship, if you are committed out of a sense of obligation perhaps the relationship is at its end or is in need of a revamp.

    Simple ,the brand is failing themselves and the consumer because they are failing to address key areas.

    Maybe people should separate the team from the brand ,and then ask who they support? I know the two are interlinked, but if I can support the team from home and its a more pleasant experience ,the brand is failing…

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.10.13 15:40:45 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 78) : I think they should do what they do in the US with NFL games – a dead zone around the stadium. You can’t watch the game on regular satellite, you have to fork over some extra dough to activate the game.

    Let’s see if the comfort of your home is still as great if you have to pay extra for every game you watch.

    Also, I’m wondering how fun it will be to watch the game from home if the stadium is completely empty for every game. It spoils the feeling of it, completely!

    Just watch a little piece of any rugby match with a sold out crowed compared to a match with a disappointing crowed, it’s just so much better to watch if people show up.

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.10.13 15:47:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 79) :

    They did that with the cricket a while back . I think you might find that the people would just not watch the game …

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.10.13 15:54:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 80) : The people is annoying. The people should come and watch the games. It’s fun to go to the game and much more so when the crowds are big.

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.10.13 15:57:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 81) :

    i agree . i go to Ellis park on a regular basis . I always park at the Mac Donalds . no problem

    I know we are not discussing the Lions here but it really seems to me that both teams have similar issues .

    I always tough that the crowds would pick up if the Lions started playing winning rugby this would change . But if i look at the Sharks this might not be the case

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.10.13 16:01:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 79) : Point fingers all you want, it wont change anything.

    The Sharks need to be accommodating, engaging and innovative if they are serious about fixing this issue.

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.10.13 16:09:02 by Talent Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 81) : “The people is annoying”, no concept of marketing I see. :lol: Try look at it from an objective perspective…

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.10.13 16:14:03 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 83) :

    I was just pointing at the empty seats, you’re pointing to yourself.

    I bet there’s not much that would get you to the stadium anymore. You want all this improvement, but what changed in the past few years that people are suddenly deciding that Kings Park have to make improvements for them to come to the stadium.

    No more passion or loyalty for the game or the team.

    You’re right. It is like a relationship that has fizzled out, only we didn’t change – you did! And now you want us to improve to be good enough for you, how do you support that, because that doesn’t seem fair to me.

    The experience has been the same since the first time I went to the stadium.

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.10.13 16:20:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 84) :
    I am and I do. This article is for a disappointing semifinal crowd.

    While I was walking past the eye-sore that is Moses Mabhida I was talking to my sister and Mother about things that I think the Sharks should do, to get the “fickle fans” (that’s what we call you, those that don’t show up), back to the stadium.

    There’s plenty of things that the Sharks can and should do, it doesn’t mean that I am still not disappointing in the showing on Saturday.

    The boys did a lap of honor after the game and had an autograph signing and it was just sad to me that there was almost know one to appreciate the team for their efforts throughout the year.

    I’m really proud of the boys, not so much the supporters.

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.10.13 16:24:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 84) :
    If I’m being objective, I’d have to say we have to find a way to please the annoying people, because it sucks sitting at an empty stadium and I think it sucked for the Sharks to complete in a Curie Cup semi-final when no one cared enough to show up.

    The fact is the annoying people has lost their will to go to the game and have found plenty of reasons not to do so, so the Sharks have to do something to get them back. Even if they are annoying.

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.10.13 16:29:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 85) :It couldn’t be more simple than this; adapt to the needs and idiosyncrasies of your consumer or pay the price of an empty stadium.

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.10.13 16:36:01 by Talent Reply
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  • It was a pity to see Kings Park so empty, that said the cost to take a family of 4 to a game is not cheap. Going out in the rain with kids is also not fun so I can understand why some people did not go Saturday. Going to a game and having to sit up in the air while season seats close to the field is open makes no sense. We must remember there is always two sides to a story and maybe it’s time for some changes and even a move to a new modern arena?!?!?!

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.10.13 16:50:10 by JD Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 68) : Good luck to you if you think that’s an appropriate way to garner more support for the Sharks. Most paying fans are older than 12, trying to guilt them into doing something when they have valid reservations about it is a sure-fire way of chasing them away.

    You’ve internalised the issue. Step away from it for a while and consider a different approach.

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.10.13 16:59:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 86) :

    Look, I’ve been quite relaxed about this for the day, but calling people fickle for not going to the stadium is a step too far.

    Just because you and your family go to every match does not mean you can go around saying things like that. Not only are you making a fool of yourself, you are attacking and accusing loyal SW readers of things that I don’t think they are.

    Let me just say, I haven’t been to a Sharks game all year. Does that make me any less a Sharks supporter, or am I now a fickle fan?

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.10.13 17:44:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 90) :

    Couldn’t have said it better..

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.10.13 17:45:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • They could start by getting rid of that pathetic Sharkie – the old Sharkie used to interact with the kids and was always around the field during the match. I don’t see the hundreds of kids shouting for his attention like they did with the old one. I’d personally like to see what would happen if he falls over – I reckon he’d be like a turtle, stuck there until he expired….

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.10.13 17:51:18 by Scooby55 Reply

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  • Was at the game and was disappointed that the Durbanites didn’t come to support the team. I just think that the disappointments experienced by the fans gave them an opportunity find other habits to do on Saturday, our boys under the previous regime were extremely inconsistent and at times played a very boring game which gave the impression that they were not emotionally involved and didn’t have passion for the jersey. It’s now a question of getting the fan’s trust back and I think that the team is well on its way to doing that. I can assure this, should we win on Saturday we can expect to see better turn outs come next year. I saw for myself, the boys are really playing well, there’s structure and purpose to our game which will ensure consistency to our play. The boys are also starting to put in big hits and are quickly getting back on their feet after making a tackle, that to me immediately says, these guys are emotionally involved and have passion for the jersey.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.10.13 17:55:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Scooby55 (Comment 93) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.10.13 17:56:49 by Talent Reply
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  • Upgrade the flippen stadium. Get rid of those unable to handle their drink.

    Sharks need to put together entertaining performances consistently. Nothing worse than wasting R1k to end up being bored to death.

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.10.13 18:21:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I believe the primary problem is the Sharks arrogant stupidity and total disregard for there supporters which has led to all the probs mentioned above,the supporters have spoken and there is an empty stadium

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.10.13 18:32:34 by benji Reply
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  • There is way too much of sentiment going around here. You not going to get Kings Park full by rallying fans to come to the game. The damage has been done by the Sharks pathetic brand strategies over the past few years and it’s going to take years to fix the problem.

    I work as a brand analyst for a consultancy . Most of my work consists of dealing with companies that have good operations, were successful in the past but didn’t adapt their strategies for the 21st century. The first problem is that the Sharks brand is positioned all wrong in the minds of their target market
    The second is exactly that. Their target market is diminishing exponentially in Durban.

    There’s no use complaining and calling supporters to come watch the games. The fact is, that’s going to lead to nothing.

    The only possible way to get out of the labyrinth is for the Sharks to move to Moses, stop living in the past, create a new brand identity that targets the new demographics of South Africa and seriously put money on their strategies. I’m afraid to say winning rugby will not work anymore.

    Kings park is dying and it’s time us supporters realise this

    Btw I attend and have attended almost every game from 2007. I am from a previously disadvantaged community and try and bring new friends to the stadium every game. Sorry the Sharks Brand is dead to the smartphone generation

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.10.13 18:34:49 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 98) : Interesting points and I agree with all of them.

    Failure to adapt to the external environment has lead to this.

    I find it interesting that I know which clubs(within walking distance of KP) are having specials and promotional events, on whatever night, long before I even know what day is game day. This shows a clear disconnect that the brand has with its consumers relative to it’s competition.

    I can understand why people are becoming sentimental ,but Mocho is right ,the Sharks need to re-position themselves in the consumers minds eye and that entails leaving sentiments at the door.

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.10.13 19:04:25 by Talent Reply
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  • Guys, what’s this new brand identity that people are speaking about? I’m a bit confused cause the Sharks are a well known brand. Can we speak directly to the issue and not beat about the bush. Don’t mean to venture down the racial line but if you look at WP’s province support base, it’s very much mixed. This is because the playing of the game has been extended to all races in Cape Town. We in Durban have this huge base of Zulu people, warriors, descendent of Sharka that we need to tap into. There needs to be a long term strategy to spread the game in KZN to African and Indian people, 5 to 7 years at least. Feel sorry for John and his team, no long term plan was actively pursued to spread the game else there’d be at least one player of colour born in KZN… I stand corrected, don’t know where Monde is from. What then needs to happen in the short term to get the crowds back..?

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.10.13 19:46:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 100) : Hadebs -WBHS. Irrespective of whether they are a well known brand ,they need to serve their supporters and be responsive to their needs.

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.10.13 19:54:41 by Talent Reply
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  • I normally don’t comment here since mostly how I feel has been said. I come from the South Coast and watched many games at KP growing up,even the Toyota Club Champs every Easter. Now I live in Pretoria and haven’t had the chance of being at KP in a few years, but really miss it. There is nothing wrong with the stadium or the brand. If you follow them on Facebook or Twitter, there are loads of updates and interesting posts. It makes my day when @TheSharksZA replies to or retweets me. People are fickle in a way, expecting way too much these days. As a huge Sharks fan, all I expect from my team is to do their best on the day and I will cheer and shout as much as I can. My son is almost 2 years old and he’s already learning how to celebrate a Sharks try on tv. I was at the game at Loftus 2 weeks ago, cheering for the boys and yelling at the one-sided ref, and I cannot wait to take my son to his first Sharks game when he’s old enough. If you’re a true fan, you’ll make a plan, especially for a semi-final. I was also sad to see the empty stadium this weekend and wished I could be in Durban to cheer MY TEAM.

  • Comment 102, posted at 21.10.13 20:05:36 by Thys Brits Reply

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  • Comment 103, posted at 21.10.13 20:32:49 by R Hayward Reply

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  • Seriously Durban people are a bunch of big girls blouses, I live in Durban now but I am a north coast boy. Travelled that nightmare N2 into Durban for many matches in the 70′s and 80′s. Yes I travelled in from Gillitts on Saturday knowing that there wouldn’t be rain as I was intelligent enough to find a weather forecast and read it. And even if there was it was a god damn semi final. My seat was comfortable and dry. Enough space for this 100kg supporter. No one spilt beer on me or was sick on me spilt anything else on me and no one bothered me to buy a round or go to the toilet. In fact I haven’t had that problem in all the years of my season ticket. I parked in my Berea Rovers parking spot and had a few drinks with mates after the game, in fact only got hone at 10pm. It was an event as always. Durban people do not get it. No decent concerts, we lost the Boxing Day test a few years back still the Durban people can not recognise how apathetic they are clueless of what it is to have a home semi final. It’s a bloody shame that’s what it is.

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.10.13 21:11:55 by markp Reply

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  • Im sure its a matter of perception, depending on which side of the tv set one finds themselves BUT for anyone that attends every game come hell or high water then they surely have the higher ground when it comes to defining what fickle, fair weather, fan, supporter, hanger on etc means.

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.10.13 21:55:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • People ,don’t ignore the problems ,if there weren’t any the stands would be like they used to be.

    If you want to call people soft ,even if that may be ,you still have to find out what it is that’s deterring people from fulling up those seats :roll:

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.10.13 23:55:30 by Talent Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 90) :
    It’s not my issue to sort out. I’m just a fan that’s disappointed that there weren’t a few more fans with me to support our team on Saturday.

    If they are now disappointed that I am using them as the butt of my joke, then I got back at them just a little.

    Everyone is generalizing the empty stadium at Kings Park during the semi-final to the reasonably bad attendances during the year. I wasn’t doing that. I myself have asked the question why KP is getting emptier and emptier this year. And I haven’t only pointed to the weather or “the fickle fan” – referring to mostly my brothers and my dad, who only comes to the stadium when the fancy tickles them, but also then generalizing the rest of the fans who aren’t showing up into this category, because I don’t think everyone has to go to a wedding and don’t think everyone has a reason other than they just don’t really feel like it on the day. Yes I realize some people have a legitimate reason for not coming to the game on Saturday, but I’m almost sure that they won’t get all upset because of my comments, because they know I am not referring to them. If you couldn’t come on Saturday then that’s fine, it’s just a rugby game, but by Dad and my brothers decided not to come, because of the inclement weather and because it was just saver and more comfortable at home. Those are the only people I am referring to and only for the semifinals.

    I do agree that no matter what the reason for the empty stadiums during the year was, that the Sharks should be finding out what it is that is keeping people from coming and start to address those issues, whether it is braai parking/facilities at the stadium, better transport, a beer area on the outer fields, after parties and entertainment, cushions on the seats a better big screen (like the one the dallas cowboys have), better onfield entertainment, cheaper tickets, better advertising, more exciting rugby or maybe less rugby…..? Whatever it takes, a damn roof over the stadium to protect the “melting fans” (it was a joke for those who didn’t get it), anything that needs to be done to get the stadium full again, because it’s just better for Sharks rugby if people are coming to the game and if just being the awesome Sharks aren’t doing it for everyone anymore the the Sharks need to cater to guys like my Dad and like my brothers too, because I can’t convince them to come anymore.

    To me its just a privilege to have the opportunity to watch Sharks games lives, when I lived in Welkom I had to wait 2 or 3 years to see a Sharks game, but when I got to Durban I made sure that I would never miss a Sharks game for as long as I am able to get there.

  • Comment 107, posted at 22.10.13 08:02:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 91) :
    Rich, I don’t know why you didn’t come to any of the Sharks games this year? I think that would be a whole different issue. You can decide for yourself if you were just fickle for not showing up or if it was just not worth it anymore or maybe there was a situation that caused you not to come anymore. I don’t know. I know that for most of my friends and family, it’s simply that they don’t feel like coming anymore.

    I was just talking about the semi-finals and you’ve already said you were at a wedding.

    As for me making a fool of myself, I don’t think calling out a few people who just decided not to pitch up for a semi-final is so bad. I forwarded this article out to a couple of people that didn’t want to go to the game with me because of the rain. They all laughed at it and all had their little comments to send back to me, and a few of them agreed that it was embarrassing to see the empty stadium watching the game at home and said that if I ever have tickets for a semi-final or a final again that they will come to the game next time (come rain or come shine). One even told me they found a serum on the black market that they could use for the melting issue.

    That’s taking something in good spirit, but if you think that I have made a fool of myself then so be it.

    And I apologies if any Sharksworld readers felt that I was attacking them. I thought I was being quite clever, but apparently I was just being mean.

  • Comment 108, posted at 22.10.13 08:20:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 108) :
    Are you just trolling here or are you a farking retard?

    Rugby at Kings Park is much more than just the 80 minutes of the game for 90% of the fans. Its a whole afternoon affair where they get to mingle with friends and have a braai and a few beers before or after the game.
    In other words, its an event. Particularly for those who have to travel more than an hour to get there.

    Rain takes away that ability to catch up with mates for a few hours and then go and watch the rugby and it makes the 2 hour round trip a little exorbitant, wouldn’t you say?
    If I can, just off the top of my head, think of 20 people who didn’t make the trip from Ballito or PMB because of the weather, imagine how many others didn’t come to this event because of it.

    I know 70 year olds who have barely missed any sharks games for more than a decade and who don’t come to game when its raining, are you saying that they are just ‘melting fans’ because they are, quite rightfully, concerned for their health as well as the fact that its farking uncomfortable sitting in a puddle of water?

  • Comment 109, posted at 22.10.13 08:38:50 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 109) :
    I’m not a troll, so I suppose I’m retarded.

    Clearly I offended some people. I don’t think I’ve ever been called retarded in my life. So I’ll just leave it alone. But before I do here’s where I’m coming from, maybe this helps you understand the tone in which I was trying to write my comments.

    My Dad is 65, he would never go if there is a chance of rain – I would pay him, offer to hold his umbrella, dry his seat by sitting on it for him first – nothing would convince him. It’s not worth it for him if he’s going to sit in the rain. I get it, but I still tease him about it though.

    My Mom is 60. She gears up with everything she possibly could and two black bags to try and keep herself dry. It doesn’t always work, but we never have to convince her to come to the game. She just loves it and we have a great time every time. I suppose at some point she might be telling me that she doesn’t want to go in wet weather anymore, but I hope it doesn’t come to soon, because its the best time we spend together.

    If I write something about this again it will be about what I think the Sharks can do to improve the rugby experience, because even as a person that don’t often miss a game at KP, I do have a few suggestions.

  • Comment 110, posted at 22.10.13 09:02:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 110) :

    If you are being misunderstood, it is because of your condescending tone, saying that you are a better supporter than anyone who is not at the game.

    If you want to prove a point, it is best to not go about it in a way that makes you look better than everyone else and doing so in a judgmental way.

  • Comment 111, posted at 22.10.13 09:09:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 111) :

    Rich, I just love going to the game. For me it’s not a schlep to go. So anyone that goes despite all the things that makes the game “not that fun for them” – is a way better fan than I am. I never go and feel like not going. It’s the thing I look forward to the most on the weekends. I want to take my nieces and nephews and share it with everyone I know.

    I’m talking about those that decided to go to the game and support the Sharks even when they didn’t really feel like sitting in the rain.

    Don’t you think they are just a little better than the fans that decided not to show up just because of the weather? You know the 12 000 that was there? or 11 997 that was there they didn’t really feel like going?

    A lot of the people at the game was talking about how empty the stadium was and that they also thought of staying home – one guy said his new 3D TV is almost just as good as being at the game, but he decided to come to support the Sharks.

    I wanted to shake that guys hand.

    I would probably go to Kings Park even if it snowed and I forgot to take a jacket. I don’t include myself in this discussion. At least I tried not to. I’m just a little crazy, I like being the fan who when everyone ducks for cover when the rain comes pouring down to stands my ground, get soaked to my underwear, shouting so hard that the whole Sunday it sounds like I’m talking in a whisper. And people at the game usually look around to see who this crazy girl (by now woman I suppose, I’ve been goings since I was 14) is screaming and shouting behind them.

    I don’t compare myself with anyone else. I feel a bit of a kindred spirit with guys you see at American Football games who paint their bodies, wearing only their bathing suites in the middle of a Chicago winter, just to show you how crazy they are about their team or just how crazy they are in a -10 or -20 degrees winter.

    I’ve always been that type of supporter and have never thought that I would have to apologize for being that way.

    I have also never expected anyone at the game to be like me. I’ve wished that when I started chanting “Go Sharks Go” that I would be able to rally a few people around me to do the same and I’ve always thought that if there were a few more crazy fans like me that we would be able to rally the rest of the sane fans around us to be just a little more insane at the game.

    So now everyone knows a little more about me. Not retarded. Just a little crazy.

  • Comment 112, posted at 22.10.13 09:46:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 107) : Letgo, I was advising that you should be careful of your wording in my first reply to you. You responded: “If I’m not being at least a little offensive then my message is not coming through clearly enough – I have to say, I was feeling a little more than offended by all those that didn’t show up for the game on Saturday.”

    If you want to offend others because you feel offended I’m afraid that there is a personal issue that you need to address. If you feel that, that particular reply came out wrong then I once again urge you to be careful of your wording in a thread like this one.

    Secondly, I never implied you were generalising. My points are only addressing your tone. I also honestly don’t know if their are people who are disappointed that you’re using them as the butt of your joke but there’s a possibility.

    The point I’ve been trying to make all along is that you need be careful how you go about trying to address the problem of an empty stadium (and there’s no denying that it is a serious problem for the Sharks). You’re obviously passionate about getting people to the Sharks games (and I truly admire that) but you’ll never convince anyone to change their ways with your current approach. They might be guilted into going along once or twice if you know them personally but what you’re after is long-term change in Sharks’ fans. The touchy-feely “hearts and minds” kinda stuff. That requires encouragement instead of accusation.

    Let me end off by stating that you haven’t offended me personally. I do however think it’s worthwhile to try and convince people to attend games and was/am concerned about your approach.

  • Comment 113, posted at 22.10.13 09:49:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) :
    Well, then thank you for attempting to keep me in check – it is almost an impossible task. I wasn’t really trying to guilt anyone into coming, just trying to make them feel guilty for not coming ;-)

    Next stop – take vanmartin’s advice and think of reasonable ways of getting people back to the stadium.

    Seriously if anyone has suggestions of what I can do, before Super Rugby next year, send them to me. I’m willing to do just about anything.

  • Comment 114, posted at 22.10.13 09:57:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 114) :
    I’ve even gone as far as telling friends that anytime they feel like going, I’ll organize everything, including costs. It doesn’t work. They’re not my friends anymore ;-)

  • Comment 115, posted at 22.10.13 10:01:55 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 114) : I hate admitting something like this but the Sharks could really take a page from Blue Bulls playbook when it comes to filling stadium.
    They target the upcoming generation of fans really well.

    In particular, since the stadiums are as empty as they are, I’d look into petitioning the Sharks to send a few hundred/thousand complimentary tickets to disadvantaged communities in the areas nearby. Perhaps they could even go the extra mile and organise some buses to get them to the stadium and back home again. It will require quite a bit of arranging but it’s a decent start.

    Next, get the Sharks to host “bulletjie-rugby” matches earlier on game day. They divide the field at Loftus into three segments and have a few games on the go at the same time. We went to go watch a friend’s son play there and decided to stay for the game. I saw a lot of other parents doing the same. The kids love it because they get to say that they played on their team’s home ground.

  • Comment 116, posted at 22.10.13 10:13:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Everyone can have a valid excuse, when I lived in the US I didn’t fly down every weekend, when I studied in Pretoria I also didn’t fly down for every game, but I saved enough to go to the Semi’s and finals. If you are so deep in debt that you can’t save enough money for a R150 ticket once a year then you have a valid reason. We all want better rugby from the Sharks, but I don’t go to the game because it will be a great game, I go because I want to support the Sharks, it can’t be selfish. I call myself a Sharks supporter, I will make sacrifices to honor my role as supporter. The attendance this year has sucked and we have talked about the massive amount of rugby that takes the excitement away, but this was a Currie Cup semi-final. For some reason this has lost some meaning to some people. You are welcome to stay at home in your comfy chair out of the rain, but don’t call yourself a Sharks supporter if you can’t be uncomfortable for 3 hours for your team. They are not there to entertain you, they are not singers or dancers, they are your rugby team, your there to support them. Many people are making excuses that they can’t braai before or after the game, there is no drinking, when it rains they can’t meet up with friends or the seats are uncomfortable, that has nothing to do with Rugby. Then again, if you are not going for the rugby, then you are not a Sharks supporter. And you are insulting Sharks supporters by claiming you are something which you are not.

  • Comment 117, posted at 22.10.13 11:02:36 by Stitch Reply

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  • @Stitch (Comment 117) :

    More condescending tone and guilt tripping..

    Rushing to go buy my Season ticket as a result!!

  • Comment 118, posted at 22.10.13 11:32:05 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 116) :
    So much could be done. I hope that at least the crowd of the weekend got this under Johns radar and that he would actively look at options like the ones you are suggesting.

  • Comment 119, posted at 22.10.13 11:48:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 118) :

    Agreed.

    I love how some people think they have a right to impose their opinions/beliefs on others. :roll:

  • Comment 120, posted at 22.10.13 11:58:53 by wpw Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 118) :

    Please Rich, get over yourself. I don’t think anything any blogger writes here will influence your decision to buy or not buy season tickets.

    And I can’t see why a person can’t express that they feel more committed than the rest and entitled to recognition for that?

    You look right past the commitment of a supporter to the fact that a committed supporter demands more commitment from the rest.

    As for those that didn’t show up, obviously the Sharks will have to do some more convincing, but are anyone who say they are not as committed as those that do show up wrong?

  • Comment 121, posted at 22.10.13 12:03:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • Oh, so this is where the rugby Taliban come out to play.

  • Comment 122, posted at 22.10.13 12:11:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 121) :

    No Maria – time you get over yourself.

    Well done for going to all the matches, we are all so very proud of you!

    I never said it was a bad thing for going to all the matches, in fact, it’s great that the Sharks still have such committed supporters, even though they have spent zero time on making the experience worth while.

    But, and this is a big BUT, do not tell me that I am not a good supporter for having a life, for having other plans and other, better things to do on a Saturday, since I already spend a fair amount of my time during the week to bring you the latest Sharks news. I do not appreciate the condescending tone of you and your family in trying to make it sound like you are in any way a better supporter than anyone else.

    I was supportive of this thread initially, but putting yourself above any other supporter is in no way fair.

    This is my final say on this thread, I will not get into a bun fight on a public forum. If you have anything further to say about this, email me.

  • Comment 123, posted at 22.10.13 12:16:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 116) : Yeah I’m liking those ideas.

    We need the Sharks to get some momentum in filling up the stands. I wish I could attend the games but I must admit, when I see an empty-ish stadium my first thought isn’t “Oh man I wish I was part of that atmosphere”. However when I see a game with a full stadium I start wishing I could hire a jet to get me to the game.

  • Comment 124, posted at 22.10.13 12:20:19 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Quick question.

    Define the ultimate supporter?

    BTW Newlands was for all intents and purposes sold out within 3 hours of tickets going on sale to the public. Only a few standing room tickets available.

  • Comment 125, posted at 23.10.13 09:21:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 125) : I’d say the ultimate supporter is simply one that backs his team even when they are losing.

  • Comment 126, posted at 23.10.13 10:16:26 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 125) : That’s easy! The ultimate supporter is someone who loves his/her team to death and still chooses not to hang moulded plastic testicles in the colour of his/her team from the towing hook of their vehicle.

  • Comment 127, posted at 23.10.13 10:16:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 125) : Define the ultimate supporter? Well, for starters he must be weatherproof… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 128, posted at 23.10.13 10:17:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 127) : :lol:

    @Culling Song (Comment 128) : :grin: dont forget beer, spittle and bile proof too….but that is probable covered by weather proof. Oh and a thick skin also.

  • Comment 129, posted at 23.10.13 11:18:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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