Richard Ferguson

Bismarck cleared for Final


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 22 Oct 2013 at 10:08
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Bismarck du Plessis has been cleared of any wrong doing in the semi-final against the Cheetahs, and will be available for selection against Western Province.

Du Plessis was cited after he received a yellow card in the semi-final against the Cheetahs for stamping on Lappies Labuschagne.

The citing commissioner, Andre Oosthuizen has cleared Bismarck of any further disciplinary action, even though a similar incident earlier in the year, by Western Province flank Michael Rhodes, got a one week suspension. Rhodes was red carded in his match though, while Bismarck only received a yellow card.

This will come as a great relief to all Sharks supporters, as the contest just became a whole lot fairer.



87 Comments

  • BOOOOOM!!!! :cool: awesome news!

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.10.13 10:11:10 by AlienArmy Reply
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  • Awesome….I can get back to work nw…

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.10.13 10:11:20 by chikkoz Reply
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  • WHAT a RELIEVE!!!! Now he needs to stand up and show that he is one of our snr members in the team!!!
    Komaan Bissie, lei ons!!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.10.13 10:12:07 by R Hayward Reply
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  • Thats great news. Now it’s just Jannie and Deysel and we’re looking at a near full strength Sharks team against a near full strength WP.

    What a great final, great contest!

    This will be a good one and I think WP only has the edge because of playing at home.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.10.13 10:13:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • Even though I am glad he can play, I think its a joke tbh.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.10.13 10:15:27 by Uli Reply
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  • I’m very relieved and I think Bismarck should consider himself very lucky. Didn’t think it was going to turn out that way. Anyone have a video link to the incident?

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.10.13 10:16:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6)Supersport.co.za, Bissie only cleaned his boots on his jersey. Glad Bissie can play

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.10.13 10:27:34 by TheLegend Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) : http://www.supersport.com/rugby/currie-cup/video/287334

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.10.13 10:28:13 by R Hayward Reply

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  • Whoooo!!!! Awesome news. Can’t wait to see Ntubeni’s reaction towards Bismarck >=)

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.10.13 10:29:01 by RobinHood Reply

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  • Oh yeah!! The Battleship and Bone Collector coming to N/lands…..Stress levels in Ctown just went up a few notches.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.10.13 10:31:17 by Tackler Reply

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  • This is great news just what we’ve all been waiting for,hope the other injury worries turn out well GO THE SHARKS

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.10.13 10:32:05 by Graham Stow Reply

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  • Good news that he can play, but he must really stop the silly stuff.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.10.13 10:32:52 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • And sanity prevails. Still can’t believe how so many members had him hung drawn and quartered.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.10.13 10:38:23 by Bayshark Reply

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  • Sharks really need Bismarck to counter the ball stealing of Fourie and Vermeulen. If Fourie is ruled out = advantage Sharks…..

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.10.13 10:39:01 by Tackler Reply

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  • and while this epic final is being played……ill be at the theater *sigh* :sad: :cry:

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.10.13 10:39:24 by shasty Reply

     
  • Stoked Bismarck can play and make the final more attractive but we have been calling for consistency all year in TMO decisions and Citing Commissioner sentecnces so if we not changing our tune then Bismarck should be banned for at least a week if they are going to be consistent. Yes i know there is hardly anything in what he did but it was intentional, it was a stamp/kick at a player and if we honest with ourselves he should be banned. But he is not and nothing we can do other than look forward to an epic game.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.10.13 10:39:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) :

    Imagine if Bakkies had done that to our beloved Pat Lambie, we would be crying and whinging for a suspension.

    So yes, Bismarck should have been suspended – very lucky to have him available and Western Province can feel hard done by in this case..

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.10.13 10:43:37 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : I agree with you. I was 100% behind him on the Carter tackle, but rules are rules.

    The commissioner ruled it accidental, and it most definitely was not. There was not much in it though – don’t think Lappies even felt it.

    At the same time I would like the IRB to start looking at punishing those who take out players far away from rucks, hold on to legs to prevent players from getting back to play, etc.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.10.13 10:44:12 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Yeah, he was lucky. But probably so was Ntubeni.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.10.13 10:46:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) :

    At least if WP wins the Sharks supporters can’t say it was because Bismarck didn’t play! :grin:

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.10.13 10:48:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) :

    Haha! Yes, very true..

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.10.13 10:49:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 20) :

    Rather blame John Plumt…. Oh wait!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.10.13 10:49:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : Agreed

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.10.13 10:50:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : Agreed. Maybe Supersport needed the ratings so had a hand in the outcome.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.10.13 10:50:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Not sure Province would want to rely on a disciplinary system to assist in defending their title. Lets play rugby and see who comes out on top….

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.10.13 10:50:56 by Tackler Reply

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  • Great news. Now WP will play max 70min against 15 men, and be guaranteed 6-9 points. :twisted:

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.10.13 10:51:57 by McLovin Reply

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  • The citing commissioner said it was accidental, that’s bullshit. If he said the yellow was enough punishment it would have been more believable.

    @Big Fish (Comment 19) :

    Would have been a huge advantage to the Sharks id Ntubeni was banned. That would have meant Fourie would be back at hooker and doing the line-out throwing…..and we all know Fourie couldn’t hit a 10m statue. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.10.13 10:53:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Boom!!!! Awesome news. Bone collector en bissy gonna create lots of problems

    BRING ON NEWLANDS!!!!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.10.13 10:54:38 by capesharks Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : What are the odds of SARU appointing the one advocate in Cape Town who is a Sharks supporter as citing commissioner?

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.10.13 10:56:49 by Tackler Reply

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  • Oh yes, it’s coming together fellow Sharkies. I’m so pumped for this weekend. Can’t even work. Need to pull myself towards myself. Rob, can we get a well wishes for the final blog going. With the talk that we’ll be up against supermen this weekend, the boys needs to know that we believe in them and know they can do this. Go The Sharks.

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.10.13 10:57:51 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • YES! What a relief! Personally thought the incident deserved a yellow and nothing more.

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.10.13 11:28:20 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Like Scarra, Bismarck is kak lucky

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.10.13 11:31:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 32) : I agree, pity though I would have liked to see Fourie back at hooker Saturday.

    Any inside info, will Deon Fourie play Saturday?

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.10.13 11:33:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) :

    No inside info, but he will play I am told.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.10.13 11:34:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 32) : Eish so good to find an honest WP supporter, lol :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.10.13 11:45:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 32) :

    Morné

    Can you please predict a Sharks victory??

    I really need you to do this for us!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.10.13 11:46:38 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) : Keo has already done that :mrgreen: ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.10.13 11:50:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Accidental! :lol:

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.10.13 11:54:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • @R Hayward (Comment 8) : Thanks!

    @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Wish you weren’t right but having finally seen what happened (my aspect ratio on my Drifta cut off most of the incident) I fully agree. I think Bissie was lucky not to get a red on the day.

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.10.13 11:55:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) : I guess you remember his 2010 prediction then? :mrgreen:

    PS: Province are obviously the clear favourites!

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.10.13 11:57:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 33) : Last I heard they`re still sweating on his availability.
    Of course it could all just be ” mind games” . . .

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.10.13 12:06:29 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) :

    Sharks have no chance. Bissie to get 2 yellows and a red within 20 minutes…..game over!

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.10.13 12:07:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) :

    ‘You’re only as good as your last prediction’ – I just made that up.

    Last year Morné predicted a Sharks win. We all know how that turned out! :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.10.13 12:12:37 by wpw Reply
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  • WP are clear favourites. Home final, JDV, full stadium, etc, etc. :twisted:

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.10.13 12:12:54 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 44) :

    You forget the incredible Schalk..

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.10.13 12:18:55 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 45) : I see your Schalk and raise you Juan de Jongh :cool:

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.10.13 12:21:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 46) : I’ll raise you Eben ‘Die Yster’ Etzebeth!

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.10.13 12:23:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 45) : @vanmartin (Comment 46) : @Pokkel (Comment 47) : And Gio, Kolbe…

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.10.13 12:29:35 by McLovin Reply

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  • … Fourie, Vermeulen…

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.10.13 12:30:30 by McLovin Reply

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  • …the Greek god…

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.10.13 12:31:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 50) : Don’t forget the greatest “prophalf” ever coming off the bench to seal the deal

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.10.13 12:33:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : eggzaggertly. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.10.13 12:36:53 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 52) : Sharks have no chance – mere mortals playing against a team of super human heroes with Zeus reincarnated at flyhalf :grin:

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.10.13 12:49:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) :

    Sorry already told Rob I am going for a WP win. Sharks supporters rejoice!

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.10.13 13:05:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 53) : :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.10.13 13:11:13 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 53) : Having reviewed the available evidence there is clearly no way that WP can lose :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.10.13 13:13:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • No malicious intent in Scarra’s tackle, mistimed at best. Bismarck’s intential stamping of Lappies was deserving of a suspension. Let’s not even compare the 2, this has to go into the top 3 with the nutcracker oke on Strauss being called accidental and Nonu not being cited for his shoulder charge on de Villiers. Absolute shocker.

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.10.13 13:33:16 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 57) :
    Intent is not the issue in a tip tackle: technique and execution is.

    I know it’s not easy, but let’s try to be consistent at least.

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.10.13 13:42:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 57) :

    You cannot measure intent. You can measure an action.

    Scarra’s action broke the law, clear as day, as did Bismarck’s.

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.10.13 13:42:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 57) : A tip tackle is malicious intent, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.

    You may not intentionally LIFT a player and drive him into the ground, in the heat of the moment Scarra did that and should have been punished, just as Bismark should have.

    Just like VD Merwe did 2 weeks ago and just like Vermullet got away with elbowing a lions player on the throat whilst laying on the ground.

    What’s becoming very clear is that people are trying to condone dirty play by some and not by others.

    When you lift a player in the tackle you are aware of it and when you twist him in the air you are aware of it, Scarra was guilty, just as Bismark was.

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.10.13 13:52:59 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 59) : Amen Morne, those are the facts.

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.10.13 14:02:07 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Scarra and Bismarck are both guilty. The two indiscretions cancel each other out in the with regards to this weekend’s game.

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.10.13 14:09:04 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Each to their own gentlemen, but there is a reason these things are reviewed and that is to see circumstances and whether or not the player is deserving of a suspension or not. Tip tackles are often a case of mistimed, which was a case for Scarra on Saturday. If the citing commission felt the yellow was sufficient punishment for Scarra, then clearly logic should prevail and 1 should realise that they clearly saw no malicious intent. If they felt that there was intent, he would’ve been cited.

    Bismarck’s stamping was intentional, that’s that, should’ve gotten a suspension. Those 2 incidents aren’t the same, so please spare me the “it’s the same thing” rubbish.

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.10.13 15:00:19 by Ludz Reply

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  • Let’s remove the blinkers please

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.10.13 15:01:00 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 64) :
    Physician, heal thyself.

    Read the law and then post again. Or does Ntubeni fall into the Alan Dell bucket?

    Fyi; Morne is a full-blooded WP fan.

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.10.13 15:10:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 64) :

    You have no idea how much irony I read into that post…

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.10.13 15:12:41 by Morné Reply
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  • I just saw the video footage for the first time. How the hell did he get off?

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.10.13 15:13:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 63) : You are right they are not the same but you know what is the first thing they tell you when you become a ref NEVER blow intention always blow the action whether it is just a missed timed tackle bad luck whatever the reason if you break the law you should be punished so both is lucky to get away with it.

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.10.13 15:15:18 by BR Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 65) : I wasn’t talking about Morne, I know he’s a neutral on Sharksworld

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.10.13 15:15:27 by Ludz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : You know Bismarck.. The epitome of silver-tongued charm. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 22.10.13 15:28:44 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 69) :
    As much as I enjoy your comments sometimes, I don’t count you as a neural here.

    Reality is that both the hookers deserved time off for their actions. I can’t help but think that the occasion not being spoilt played a part here.

    I think it’s a shame that this counted more than playing within the law in this case. But let’s not pillory just one player because it suits our agenda (maybe Rob Houwing is reading this).

  • Comment 71, posted at 22.10.13 15:44:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • The one intended to tackle, normal action in games, the other intended to … I don’t know what but it was off the ball and not part of the game in any circumstance. Tackles can go wrong but attempting to slap a player and then stepping on him off the ball is a players own decision. Both should have missed the game but one incident is clearly more serious.

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.10.13 15:59:53 by Zandman Reply

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  • Not sure what your argument intends to convey here.

    That’s the reason why, as BR mentioned, intention is a concept used with caution.

    Which would evoke more moral outrage, an ugly bruise or a concussion? You can’t ignore the risk of harm inherent in the offence.

    This is all much of a muchness however. SARU should have stood by the law on this one.

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.10.13 16:15:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 70) :
    He probably argued that he wanted to slap Lappies to let go of him, but once he did, there was no reason to slap or step on him and that Bismarck then just wanted to get back to play.

    I however looked at it from all angles. It wasn’t a hard step, but he wanted to “tickle” that player in the ribs, just to say – Don’t do that again.”

    He should have gotten at least one week.

    Silly stuff from Bissie.

    I do which they address players playing of the ball though, professional fouls and things like that, annoying their opposition. You could see that it wasn’t just that one incident that got to Bissie. His reaction was totally wrong, but there should be a citing system that penalizes negative play.

  • Comment 74, posted at 22.10.13 16:29:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 74) : Lappies was by no means the innocent victim here

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.10.13 16:43:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • I would seriously rather be stamped on than tip tackled ,just saying. Regardless ,foul play is foul play, both should have adequate bans…

  • Comment 76, posted at 22.10.13 16:48:43 by Talent Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 74) : @Letgo (Comment 74) : Yeah. In the context of the game which had a lot of niggle, it really was handbag stuff. That rib tickle did not hurt Lappies. Silly and appropriate punishment given in a yellow IMO. On a danger scale … Scarra’s tackle (who I’ll also say correctly did not get cited) was far far more dangerous. Tip tackles can permanently end a players rugby career.

    After looking at the build up to the Bismarck incident I think what got Bismarck pissed was that he was shoved in the back by Lappies when running back in defence, then Lappies tackled Bismarck when he was trying to get to the ruck.

  • Comment 77, posted at 22.10.13 16:59:43 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 77) : Seems SA players now learning the NZ tricks on how to take out / hold back players miles away from rucks.

  • Comment 78, posted at 22.10.13 17:03:15 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 76) : Exactly, which of those 2 actions held more chance of physical / permanent damage to the “victim”.

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.10.13 17:05:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : Indeed. I suppose I’ve got a higher threshold for banning players from matches. For me it should only be cases where it is deliberate and dangerous.
    First thing that comes to mind would be NoArms Nonu’s head hunter shoulder “tackles”. How those escape citings is beyond me.

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.10.13 17:24:37 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 69) :

    I was neutral when I still blogged – now I am a bias WP supporter :)

    @Big Fish (Comment 73) :

    I have to point this out – the citing commissioner is a SARU appointed individual, the judicial officer and judicial process following a citing is independent, not SARU.

    That said, I did raise my surprise by the non citing (SARU) of Scarra.

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.10.13 18:00:31 by Morné Reply
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  • From a personal point of view where the whole process falls flat is where the guys try to judge ‘intent’ or lack of it.

    This leaves room for interpretation and this is where it falls flat and we get inconsistencies.

    Judge on the action, the law is clear enough for us to do that.

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.10.13 18:02:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : I know which is worse .

    Its these dam Wittle Panssies that are crying because they are nervous, they are nervous they will lose a game they should win. :lol:

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  • @Morné (Comment 82) : Ya agreed

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  • @Morné (Comment 81) :
    Thanks for pointing that out. Interesting.

    At the end of the day, talented players like Bismark need to learn to play within the realms of the law, and soft application of the law doesn’t help that.

    I think he is miles away the best hooker in the country. But the stupidity of his action was astounding, particularly given his recent experience.

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.10.13 18:40:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 85) :

    Summed up, and agreed.

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.10.13 19:07:57 by Morné Reply
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  • The fact is Bissy was deemed to be innocent and got away with it. He’s not the first and won’t be the last to get away with one and no amount of bitching and moaning will change that.

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